Transcript: Episode 0003

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This part is for you guys zu stay tuned!

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Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. I am Corey J. Moller, and I'm Woe.

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So today we're going to be talking about Christian nationalism. This is a subject that has been

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hot and heavy in the news very recently. The number of books have been published. There's a lot

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of chatter online about it. It's a subject that you and I Corey have been talking about for a number

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of years. It's something we've both written about. To some extent in the past, and frankly we know

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more about it than a lot of people, just because we've been thinking about it for a long time.

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And so this is well-trodden ground for us. We're not going to... This will be more of a conversational

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episode hopefully than the last couple, just because we can freewheel this and we're going to do a good

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job because this is our home turf. And the reason is because it is so vitally important to

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recognize that a Christian nation is what God desires. Christian nationalism is what God expects

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from us. And we're going to talk at some length initially about the definitions of both nation

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as in nationalism and then Christian, because those are the reflections of what's commonly called

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the two kingdoms in theology, the kingdom of the left hand of God and the kingdom of the right hand

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of God with the left hand being political and the right hand being spiritual or soteriological,

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basically church and state, or state and church. The reason that this is something that

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there are a number of historical reasons why people sort of go off the rails when they tackle these

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things. But first, we're going to talk about why the words themselves, particularly the word

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nation and nationalist have been so profoundly subverted. As we go on in the series, listeners will

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recognize that we are frequently spending a lot of time defining terms. And I hope that that

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never comes across as gimmicky. It's not something that we're just doing to be spurgy or to kind of

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weedle and make bizarre points. The reason for discussing the the etymology and the origins of words

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is specifically because so many words have been intentionally subverted by those who seek the

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destruction of godly things. This was one of the premises of 1984 was that when the language

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itself is captured, it's possible to render certain thoughts literally unthinkable as in the human

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mind can no longer process a thought contrary to the desired dogma. And they do that by redefining

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words until there's no word for the thing that you're trying to say anymore. Because if you can't

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if you don't have a word for it and you can't say it, you can't think it. And it's a weapon. It's

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something that's weaponized and it's being done deliberately in certain words in language and

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nation and nationalism are a prime example. So I would for anyone listening to episode three,

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this episode, I would first recommend you go back to episode two and spend about the first 15

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minutes or so listening to Cory's monologue talking about genealogy in scripture and how god uses

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genealogy of man be getting man throughout time in particular places to god's ends. It's worth

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noting that when Adam emerged from the garden, he was a father or as he was a husband, he soon

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became a father. He was also king. He's the king of the world despite having been, you know,

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demoted from from his perfection through his through his sin. He remained king. And when he had

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children, he was their father, he was also their king. He was also their priest. And he was he was

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a religious leader as he was a thief. The reason that god repudiated his actions in the garden

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was that he listened to his wife instead of controlling her sent her inclination to listen to

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the serpent. If Adam had faithfully upheld his role as husband and as priest, that air would have

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been set right. And we don't know how human history would have played out. The same circumstances

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repeated when Noah stepped off the ark. He was father. He was husband. He was king and he was

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priest and is only as the expansion of those families occurred again that the role of priest and

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king became separated. And that's we're not suggesting that that's a bad thing. It is perfectly

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godly for the political to have its sphere and the religious, the Christian do have its sphere.

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But to say that the Christian sphere is separate from the political sphere, he is too fundamentally

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with misunderstanding what it is to be Christian. So that'll be the second part of this podcast. So

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we're going to begin with nation. Nation is a word that came into the English language around

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the 1300s from French. The French word I'm not going to pronounce because I'll butcher it.

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But the definition is the same as it is for us. A race of people, a large group of people with

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common ancestry and language from the old French for birth rank descendants. And if you trace

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that back even further, it goes through Old Latin and it ends up in the Proto-Indo-European

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gene, which means give birth and beget. I think it was in the first episode we talked about that as

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well, that maybe the second is an episode. We're going to talk about this over and over again because

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it's so fundamental. The genes, the natal nature of beginning of people, it's how god operates

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in creation. It's one of the things that separates mankind today from mankind in heaven. In heaven,

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we will be like the angels and that there won't be any more reproduction. All of the names that are

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in the book of life will be born in a fallen world. There won't be any more people coming after

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judgment day. The creating aspect of God's history will come to an end with judgment day. No more

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giving birth, no more begetting. The genealogy, the lines, the beginning will all be locked in.

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But for this time, for our lives, all that we know, we don't know before the fall and we don't

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know judgment day or after it. We know that right now, this is how God operates. The reason I'm

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pointing first to the definition of nation is to make clear that it is explicitly racial.

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And that's a vital point because today, nation and country are used as synonyms to say that

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something is a country or it's a nation. People virtually always mean the same thing.

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You say the United States is a country. You say it's a nation. No one's going to think you're

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talking about two different things. When the United States was founded, when the colonies were

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founded and then the United States was formed from that, it was a nation. This was New England.

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It was founded over 400 years ago by people coming from England to New England.

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They were not immigrants. They didn't leave one place and go to another place that was different.

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They went to a new place that was empty and they recreated as best they could

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from once they came. They recreated England. Now, not as a perfect copy because that wasn't their

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desire. Frankly, three quarters of my ancestors were here by about 1650 because they were so sick

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of what the English were doing nearly 400 years ago. So while they brought the language and they

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brought the subset of some of the religion, they brought cultural mores. They were also seeking

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to do their own thing, but it was not in rebellion. It was simply, let's go live in peace among

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ourselves and continue to be English in a manner that doesn't violate our consciences.

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And of course, that was the case for all of the European people groups who came over here.

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You had the Spanish. You set up colonies and attempted to remain Spanish to different

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degree from the English, perhaps. And then you had, of course, the original name of New York

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to Amsterdam. They were setting up extensions of their nation. They were not

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creating some new experiment to mix everyone together and create a new nation or realistically a

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new bubble. Exactly. And it was the case in Canada. It was mostly French, Louisiana and North

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who was mostly French. And some of those marks even exist to this day. And when people come to a

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new place, there will naturally be some degree of intermixing, particularly when you have so much

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in common 20 years ago, if an American went to most Western European countries, apart from the

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language difference, most of it would feel very similar. The customs vary, but they're not

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completely alien customs. They're just variations on themes that are familiar to us because we have

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that shared culture, which is a part of our shared ancestry. They're inextricable. And

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as we, as we look at what nation means, you know, you had mentioned the intermingling,

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when we skip forward 150 years from the founding of the colonies to when the United States

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rebelled against England and became its own political entity, I want to point to the preamble

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to the Constitution, which used to be memorized in school. I don't know, it probably isn't

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anymore, but it reads, we the people of the United States in order to form a more perfect union,

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establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the

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general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity do ordain

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and establish this constitution of the United States of America. Now, the reason the word that I

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want to highlight there is ourselves and our posterity. When they said that, they meant it,

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when we hear it, we don't hear anything. Posterity is really kind of an archaic term that's not used

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anymore. So I want to take a look at what where that word came from, what it meant when they wrote it.

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For the discussions I'm using and we'll put the link in the show notes, there are two websites

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that I recommend everyone look at whenever you want to have any conversation about what a word

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means, go to two places, go to edamonline.com, that's ETYM as in edamology. It will give details going

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back to where the word first entered English and then its origins in previous predecessor languages.

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The other website that is invaluable for any of these discussions is Webster's Dictionary 1828.com.

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It's a full copy of the original Webster's Dictionary as it was published nearly 200 years ago.

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The reason this is important is that, as I said, these words are under attack by those who are

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trying to change the very fabric of existence for us and they do that by making us unable to

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discuss certain things by removing the words or redefining the words that we would use for those

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discussions. When you look at what those words meant 200 years ago, it gives an indication when

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we're talking about the original American context, what those guys mean, but it's also valuable just

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because it well predates almost all the subversion that has occurred in language, especially in

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I mean, dictionaries are changing every year at this point. You can go back five years and you'll

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find a dictionary that doesn't say what it does today and it's contrary to what it says today

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because they're being so aggressive about destroying these terms. Now, 1828 was still under the

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thrall of the enlightenment, but beyond the enlightenment, there was not a lot of subversion present in it.

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So we're going to look at the definition for posterity from the preamble.

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Comes from Latin. It means descendants, children, children's children, etc. And definitely

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the race that precedes from a progenitor, the whole human race are the posterity of Adam.

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Now, that's in the constitution that it's racial. That's not you and I being racist saying,

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we hate people and we want to exclude them. We're simply saying when the people who founded this

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country did so, they understood that it was explicitly racial. I just want to re-briefly the race,

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part of the definition for race also from the 1628 or 1828 Webster, the lineage of a family

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or continued series of descendants from a parent who is called the stock, a race is a series of

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descendants indefinitely. They're synonyms. They mean exactly the same thing. posterity and race

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are interchangeable unlike country and nation. So the reason for pointing to this first is that

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when we look at the United States in 1791, it was both a new formed country and it was a nation.

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It was a pre-existing nation because those roots were genetic roots from their fathers going

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back six generations. This is an important point because by calling it racial, it is implicitly

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excluding some groups. It's excluding Indians who had lived here beforehand and were by and

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large pushed aside or God killed them with plague. There's also the Africans who were enslaved by

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other Africans, sold to Jewish slave traders, put on Jewish owned slave ships, brought primarily

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to southern colonies where they were sold almost exclusively to Jewish plantation owners where

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they were kept to slaves and used as labor sometimes under brutal conditions. When those men were

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emancipated from their slavery in 1865, they did not automatically become citizens of the United

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States because it was still understood that although they were now legally emancipated, they were not

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not posterity. They were not the American posterity. They were unjustly brought here from Africa and

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equally importantly, they were still African regardless of a language they spoke. They were

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Africans in America and when you and I discuss these subjects, I never want anyone to hear that and

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think that we're being insulting or derogatory to say that someone is African. I don't think

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that's an insult. I think that if you're African, you should be proud of your African heritage.

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Whatever it is, find the best parts of whatever you came from and be proud of that. You know what?

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That's obedience to the fourth commandment. To honor your father and mother is not limited with

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your immediate parents. It goes back in time and where your ancestors or do better, where they were

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wrong, be right, but be proud of whatever good they did. So when I say you're not American, you're

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African, it's not hateful. It's simply precise and it's precise in a way that has been destroyed by

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taking the word nation and turning into a synonym for country. There are a lot of people listening

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right now that probably hate hearing that. They probably think that's nonsense. That's completely

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false. I will prove to you right now that you actually believe this and it's in the Bible.

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When the Hebrews moved into Egypt and over the period of 400 years, became slaves to the Egyptians

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and grew to the point that there were more Hebrews than there were Egyptians and they were

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overwhelming them. They never stopped being Hebrew. They didn't become Egyptian even after 400

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years in that country. They still had their own language. They still had their own race. They

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weren't intermixing with the Egyptians by and large. They still had their own culture.

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They saw their own norms and mores. They were still Hebrew. It didn't matter where they live and

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that wasn't. Yes, it was the case that God was preserving them as a vessel for the promise of the

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Messiah. But that would have been the case even if God didn't care about the Hebrews for that

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purpose. Even if they had not been shuttled about and bobbed around in the ocean of history

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as part of God's plan, they would still have been Hebrew. Just going somewhere else doesn't change

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your nature. If there's a tiger in a zoo in Des Moines, it's not an Iowa tiger. It's a Bengal tiger.

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It's a tiger on the wrong continent. Now someone will say, well, you're a white guy. You don't belong

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here either. I will tell you this. My ancestors have been here 400 years. I don't

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the only ancestors of mine who came through immigration came from Germany in 1870. All the rest

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were here before was a country. Now, yes, they came from England to New England, not as immigrants,

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but as people who built this country from nothing. There's another illustration that I use often to

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demonstrate that the idea that someone moving to another place doesn't mean that they are

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never native. Look at New Zealand. New Zealand today has the descendants of the English conquerors

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and you have the Maori who were called the natives of New Zealand. When the English showed up in

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the, I think the 1600s, the Maori lived there. And so we say, well, automatically, those are the

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natives. The Maori got there. They were between about 131350. So they'd only been there about 300

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years when the English showed up. They all came from somewhere else. And they moved to a place

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that they took over. They made it theirs. And then someone else showed up, moved in, took it over,

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made it theirs. Are the Maori native to New Zealand? Sure. Are the European settlers who have lived

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their 400 years native to New Zealand? Yes. I am a native of North America. And if you say that I'm

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not, after 400 years, you must necessarily say that the Maori are not natives of New Zealand.

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Now, the difference between me and my ancestors moving to North America and the Hebrews living in

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Egypt is that that was never their country. God didn't give it into their hands. God gave this

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country and do my ancestors' hands and probably into many of your ancestors' hands. When the white

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man showed up, almost all the natives were killed by disease. And today, because we have germ

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three, we're like, oh, well, that was just totally random. And, you know, maybe even some cases,

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the Europeans tried to kill them with with germs. They had no idea. They didn't know. That was a plague.

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Plagues come from God. That was God's will that those European settlers not have to deal with

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millions and millions of Indians who were trying to kill them. I have numerous ancestors who fought,

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and in some cases were killed by Indians in the first, in the first half of the 16th century.

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Because they lived next door. And it wasn't that they were in open combat. It was just that

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the Indians wanted them gone. And fine, that's, I don't fault the Indians for trying to kill them,

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but my people won and we took this land. And I'm not ashamed of that because it occurred by God's

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grace. And that is how the United, that's how the colonies became nations which formed the

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United States. And over time, it became an empire. It became the sort of multi-ethnic empire with

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different people coming from different places, not losing their distinct properties. Because if

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it's a racial distinction, you don't lose it. I don't stop being European just because I live in

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the United States. If I colonize Mars, I'm a European on Mars. I'm not a Martian. If my kids are

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born on Mars, they're not Martians. They're Europeans born on a Martian colony of Europe.

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That's simply how God propagates the genealogies of his people throughout time. And it hasn't

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changed in the last century just because we think we're clever and we have new more enlightened

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ways of talking about these things. And when it comes to the idea of someone being, you know,

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X because he was born in X country, ultimately you can trace that back and it's clearly ridiculous

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because if we're all X because we are originally from or born in X and it only belongs to the people

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who were natives, well, there were all natives of Ararat. And none of us own anything else because

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well, that's ultimately the place we're all originated from because of course that is where the

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arc landed. And so the idea that the native population can't change is it's a really

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mercenary idea. If you actually look at the genesis of the idea to go back to the idea that

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the source of things matters because how is it actually employed? It's employed purely as an

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argument against colonization and modern conquering of heathen nations. It's never used historically

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to argue that historical conquest should not have happened. It's not used to restore, there's

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not an irredentist argument with regard to older areas that were conquered, but it's just

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the European colonization because what is the ultimate genesis of that argument? Well, it's Satan

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because Satan hated colonization because colonization was European Christians taking Christianity to

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other parts of the world and driving out Satan and the pagans because that is how God works. God

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drives out and destroys faithless nations and he uses sometimes faithful nations to do it,

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sometimes faithless nations, sometimes God punishes one faithless nation with another.

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That is how God wishes to work and he can do that if he wants to do that.

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But in the case of colonization it was European Christians faithful Christians driving out evil.

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And those European Christians became Christian in exactly the same way. It was not that

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evangelist went to every single European individually and said, hey, let me share the gospel with

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you and let me baptize you. He was the kings who ultimately converted and when the king converted,

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his nation converted. I'm actually descended from the woman who is directly responsible for all

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of us being Christian. I was reading last night about Clotilda and her husband Clotilda. Her

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Clovis. Yeah. And she was Christian. She basically bullied her husband, King Clovis, the first,

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her second, first, into becoming Christian. And that was the genesis of what Wikipedia calls

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Nicene Christianity in Europe. If you look at a map of quote unquote Christianity in Europe prior

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to about 600 AD, the only actual Christians were in the East. It was all Aryans in the West.

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Now, Aryanism is fundamentally not Christian. It sounds mostly Christian and they did speak the word,

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the word of God was spoken among them. So surely some of them were Christian. But the Aryan

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confession itself is explicitly not Christian because it denies that Jesus is fully God.

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So Clotilda, her convincing Clovis to become Christian, him building a cathedral in the center of

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his seat of power and his influence over the Franks to become Nicene Christians as opposed to Aryan

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not Christians was the entire reason that Christianity proper spread in all of Europe. It's the reason

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the word Christian today. We may well be Aryans and not be Christian at all if not for that, if not

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for a King converting. And if you look back in scripture, it's completely normal for there not

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to be a separation between the religion of a nation, the King of a nation and its people. And

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this is even reflected in the fact that so many, especially ancient pagan nations, the King

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was treated as a God. Now while this was obviously, it was idolatry, but in a sense, it was actually

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an accurate reflection of the godly form, not the King is God, but that the King is the representative

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of God in that place. And the fact that the pagan nations said, you know what? There's no God

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above our King. Our King is the God of all of us. That was a year usurpation going up, but

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from the King on down, it wasn't anything more than a misdirection because the King is the

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God's representative over his people for their benefit. And that is the left hand Kingdom. And

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so the notion that there would be a distinction between what the King believes and what the people

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believe doesn't make any more sense than if it happens in a household with a father who's faithful

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and a wife and mother and children who are unfaithful, it should not happen.

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And we have an example of that closer to our time. We had the whole reason we're called

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Protestants is because the emperor went back on the promise to allow individual princes to determine

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which version of Christianity would be practiced within their realms, whether they would be

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Lutheran or they would be Papist. And of course, the emperor went back on that because his

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advisors changed basically and the influences on him changed, but we protested that. And that was

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natural because the prince, the head, the King within that region determined what his subjects

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believed because that is the natural course of things because as you mentioned, the father is

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the head of the family. The father makes the decisions. Well, the King is the head of the nation

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and so the King makes the decisions. And so yes, most of Europe was converted because a few key

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people were converted. King's advisors, whoever happened to be, they converted those who were in

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a position of headship and that affected a conversion of the people as a whole. And that is what

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it means for a nation to be Christian. Yep. And right now there are a lot of people in the audience

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probably howling at the premise because there were so many abuses in history where this was done

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incorrectly. And that's absolutely the case. And that's where the two kingdoms distinction is useful.

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When Clovis became Christian, he built a cathedral, but it was a bishop who ran the cathedral,

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was a bishop who taught the people. Clovis said, I'm Christian, strongly suggested his people

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should be Christian, but he was not directly over the church. What went wrong in Roman Catholicism

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is not that they spread Christianity, but that they became political, which is not what we

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are advocating. And that is not what Christian nationalism is. Christian nationalism is not the

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notion that the church becomes a political force unto itself. The church is responsible for

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satiriology. It is responsible for the salvation of souls and for the preservation of doctrine and for

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the proper use of the word and sacrament among the people. That's not the realm of the government.

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That should not happen that the government is dictating which sacraments are practiced or how.

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We don't believe that. And it's not necessarily a part of Christian nationalism to suggest that.

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So when someone says, Oh, you just you're going to end up with Baptist running everything.

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I don't care because you know what? Baptist don't want babies to be murdered.

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Baptist don't want their children to have their genitals chopped off. Baptist don't want Muslims

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raping their daughters just like I don't. Baptists are not going to be in charge of the sacraments.

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If this were a Christian nation again, they can still be Baptist and we can still be Lutheran.

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But what will stop is the evils that have befell all of us by ceasing to be overtly Christian,

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which is fundamentally the purpose of Christian nationalism. It's not necessarily to say,

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okay, this is the correct, this is the correctedomination. Everyone's got to be this denomination.

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For a Christian to be a participant in a nation politically is to bring how his conscience is

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informed by God through Scripture to his other duties, to his other vocations as a husband,

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as a father, as a neighbor, perhaps as a mayor or as a sheriff. If he knows that God doesn't want

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people to be murdered for things to be stolen, for people to be harmed, that's going to inform

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his conduct in his role in preserving earthly order.

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Of course, we should be careful to distinguish that when it comes to papers, they do exactly

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want to return to Roman hegemony. So in the case of those who are Roman Catholic, Catholic

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and quotes, of course, they do want the conflation of the two kingdoms. They don't want any

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differentiation because they see the king as inferior to the Pope as opposed to being

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Christ's left hand and the leader of the church being his right hand or the leadership whatever

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it happens to be the organization in the right hand kingdom. Because that's a part of what we

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tend to drop when we're speaking about these concepts these days is we don't say the left hand

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of Christ, which is what the left hand kingdom is. We use that shorthand, but we're assuming that

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people understand something that people no longer understand. It is the left hand of Christ

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and the right hand of Christ. These both belong to God. We're not talking about

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two separate entirely distinct things. We are talking about how God interacts with the world

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in two distinct ways. And when we advocate Christian nationalism, we are saying that

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the state should uphold Christian values. Now that's distinct from Christian doctrine and this

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shouldn't be complicated for people, but somehow it is. Yes, there are historical abuses.

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Yes, there are some like the papers who would seek to restore political hegemony over countries.

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Not going to happen. That's the fact that someone might do something bad with something good

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is not an argument against the good thing. And this shouldn't be difficult for Christians to

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understand. When we're talking about Christians ensuring that their own nation, which should be

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under God, properly, the triune God, not the deist God, this country evolved into upholding

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from the top down incidentally, when all the deists overthrew the articles of the confederation

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and basically came up with a new government and secret at the constitutional convention,

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and they were putatively the representatives of the people, but by and large they didn't represent

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the people. They represented landed interests. They represented traders and the wealthy. And many

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of them were not Christians. Many were, but there were many non-Christians participating.

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And some of them did terrible things like Thomas Jefferson as a direct result of their not being

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Christian. But because they won politically, they wrote the history. And so now everyone thinks

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that all these guys are heroes. And because they were at the top and because they won,

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deism spread. When you look at 18th century America, Christianity began to die in large part.

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Now it mutated as it died. You had an explosion of cults. You had an explosion of the transcendentalists

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and other things where people just sort of wandered off in the nature and did bizarre things that

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tried to find God outside of Scripture. That was a result of their leaders not being Christian

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and taking the country in a direction, in a nation in a direction that was not Christian.

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And the subsequent fruits of those decisions are still with us to this day.

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Yeah, I think when the second part of the conversation we want to have today is what is a

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Christian. And we've been kind of answering it all along. But there's this goofy stereotypical

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behavior that I see emerging even among people who are good Christians. They intend to be faithful.

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They're trying not to cross lines that they believe are present. But they do so by saying,

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in effect, I can only be Christian in church stuff. And I don't want to impose on anyone else

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the rest of my time. And like I mentioned last week, you got an hour in church, you know, maybe

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two or three hours of Sunday school. And then the other 160 odd hours, you're off on your own.

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How many of those hours are you a Christian? Is it when you're in church or is it all the time?

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Now the what is a Christian question is one that makes a lot of Protestants uncomfortable. Because

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Protestant doctrine, the solas have basically been collapsed into I love Jesus. I'm going to

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heaven. Everything else is going to be fine because he paid for my sins. It's all okay.

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It's it's happy, clappy boyfriend Jesus crap that while in isolation, those individual

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statements may be true. If that becomes your ethos, you're toast. I

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there's there's something that I think I recommend in the first episode. And I'm going to say it over

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and over again because I think it's really vitable right vital. Go to esv.org and click on the little

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gear. Uncheck all the options, turn off the footnotes and the cross references, turn off the headings,

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turn off the verses and turn on red lettering for Jesus, which is going to make some of the

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Lutherans in the audience freak out because there are people who say that you can ignore the

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Bible unless it's in red. Absolutely not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is do that and then

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read Matthew, Mark, Luke and John just reading the words in red. Don't read anything else. Just

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read the words in red. That is not to say that the rest is not equally important. It's not to say

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that the rest is not also the inspired word of God. That's not my point. My point is this.

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If you read only Jesus preaching, it's almost all law. There is gospel there, but it's thin.

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And there are oftentimes where he lays it on hard and he ends hard. When he performs a miracle

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for someone, he says go and sin no more. Now was Jesus stupid? Did he set that person up or

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did he think that they would actually be able to not sin anymore? Or did Jesus tell him what his will,

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what God's will is for each of us, to go and sin no more? That is the Christian life.

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And yes, we fail. And yes, Jesus paid on the cross for the fact that we would and will continue

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to fail. That doesn't mean that we don't try. And the sanctified Christian life is about living

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more and more in God every day, about spending time in God's scripture, about contemplating

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his wisdom and then about living all 168 hours of our week in a manner that is consistent with

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God's will and pleasing to him. And when these guys only want to talk about the gospel, quote,

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unquote, and Christ sacrifice, those are incredibly important things, but that's not the entire

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Christian life. The Christian life begins at baptism and continues until you die. And most of your

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days, most of your hours, most of your minutes are not spent reading a word or taking communion

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or hearing preaching. And that's okay. That's God gave us other things to do, but they should be

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done in a manner that is pleasing to him. The Christian life is obedience to God. And that means that

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the left hand kingdom where there is what we call political activity must necessarily be

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in obedience to God every bit as much as what goes on in church. Just as much as we care about a

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faithful application of sacramental doctrine, we should care about the proper exercise of the law.

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And to fail to do that is to fail to be a good Christian and to be indifferent to that is to

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risk ceasing to be a Christian altogether. Well, we know what happens when Christians are

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indifferent to the left hand kingdom. Satan takes over because Satan is not indifferent to the left

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hand kingdom. And so if Christians are indifferent and do not involve themselves in the left hand

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kingdom and do not behave as faithful Christians in the left hand kingdom, the left hand kingdom

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will be ruled by pagans will be ruled by Satan. And so there are only two choices. This is not

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something on which you can be indifferent because if you're indifferent, you're just condemning your

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grandchildren, great grandchildren, whatever generation it happens to be, you are condemning them

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to live in a pagan nation instead of a Christian nation. This isn't an option where we have, you know,

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Christianity on one side, Satanism and atheism on the other side, and some sort of neutrality in the

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middle. This is black and white. You're either a Christian nation or you are an anti-Christian nation.

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Yes, there are different degrees of being one or the other. You can be more or less Christian and

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you can be more or less atheist or Satanist. But you can't be neutral. There is no neutrality. There's

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no middle. There's no third way when it comes to this question. And you mentioned about the rise

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of deism in the US. And really, the modern Christian, many of the churches anyway, are basically a

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half-step above morally therapeutic deism or more holistic therapeutic deism. It's just, it's that

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with Jesus slathered on top of it a little bit, just a thin layer, a little bit of Jesus butter

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on top there. It's not really Christianity anymore. It's just, it's that one hour, the 90 minutes,

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whatever it happens to be on Sunday. And then I live the rest of my life as if I'm, you know,

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just another member of this society. And I do whatever society tells me to do or not to do.

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And so I have Jesus in it. Yeah, exactly.

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Yes, football is actually a great example because how many people spend their 60 minutes,

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their 90 minutes, maybe they go to Bible study and maybe they spend two hours, whatever it happens

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to be. They spend that little bit of time for Jesus on Sunday. And then they go home and spend

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four, five, six, I don't know how many hours on football or basketball or baseball or whatever it

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happens to be. And then they spend so much of their time thinking about and posting about and

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arguing over that. Well, what's really important in their life? I'm not saying you can't have hobbies

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because of course you can have a hobby. You can have a hobby that absorbs a ton of your time even

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as long as it doesn't become more important to you than the things that are actually important.

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And for a lot of people, it seems like sports have become more important than God because you'll

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have even pastors who spend their Sundays posting about sports. Why on earth are you doing that?

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This is supposed to be the day that everyone inherently knows is dedicated to the Lord.

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Maybe say something about the Lord on that day, particularly if it is your vocation to do so.

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If you spend all of your time posting about sports, the people who are looking at that who are

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watching you are going to think that, well, maybe God isn't so important because he's posting about

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this particular sports team. He likes a lot more than God. And so it matters what we do,

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how much time we spend on it, how important we make it seem in our life because often how important

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we make it seem is merely a reflection of how important it actually is.

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And so our witness to the world is in part how we live our lives.

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Are you a Christian when you're in the left hand kingdom? Are you a Christian when you're not

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in the sanctuary? You should be. In sports, I specifically mentioned professional sports because

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that is where the subversion is occurring culturally. It is not simply that these professional

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sports were erected on Sundays, Sunday mornings, on weekends to consume people's money

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in their time and their passion. And we're not making the argument against

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spending your time poorly versus spending your time well. We're making the point that

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the NFL is evil. The NFL has done tremendously evil things. They have promoted tremendously

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evil things. They do it every Sunday. It is one of the key things that they do. It is one of

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their purposes is not to sell advertising, not to throw the pigskin around. It is to promote

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societal change along avenues that are contrary to Christian doctrine. And the fact that

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so many pastors and other Christians are either blind or indifferent to it is terrifying.

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If you are living a sanctified life, if you are spending your time consuming godly things,

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when you're exposed to something that is ungodly, that is not wholesome, it's physically repellent,

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it's disgusting. You physically revolt. I spent years being completely indifferent to most of

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these subjects. I was a Christian, but I didn't really care. I was a Christian on Sunday and the

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rest time, whatever. I knew it was Christian, so it was sorted. I was a Lutheran. I definitely

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was confident in my baptism. Pretty much everything else was taken care of.

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In the last couple of years, as I started to spend more time in the word and less time consuming

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garbage, when I would be then exposed to things I used to love to songs and to shows that I used

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to just I ate them up. It was it was part of who I was. There are many cases where I had a

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I to I now have a visceral repulsion to those things. And it's not rooted in some sort of

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pietism where I'm like, oh, this is dirty. Like I didn't relisten to that song expecting to find

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something gross. I relistened because I missed the song and found that what I used to love I now

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hated. Now that is something I'm not saying that everyone needs to have exactly that experience,

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but I am saying if you never feel revolted by things that are contrary to God, or if you never

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even if you can't even tell that things are contrary to God, you have a spiritual problem.

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You have a deep-seated spiritual lack of discernment. And although discernment is a gift

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as a matter of degree, it must be present in every Christian or how are you going to

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stay Christian? If you can't tell the difference between Christian and not Christian,

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you're toast, you're lost. And that's the reason we keep talking about Sunday morning

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verses the rest of the time is that so many of these arguments that are made mostly in good faith

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by Christians who rightly want to prevent problems that have occurred in the past when people

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have done things wrong, they end up collapsing the Christian life to Sunday morning. And the rest

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is just, oh, remember your baptism and go do whatever. I can tell you from personal experience

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that doesn't work. It's a terrible idea. It is an idea that leads people to hell. And

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more than that, this isn't just about saved or not. That's one of the things that we lose when

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we think about sanctification as we don't really think about sanctification at all. When all the

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focus is on the sacraments and God's gifts to us, which are blessings, I'm not demeaning those in

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the slightest, so please don't hear that. When we issue godly living, godly wisdom, obedience to God,

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we end up missing out on the good life that God wishes to give us. When you obey God, you are blessed

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in this life. This isn't prosperity gospel. It doesn't mean you're going to win a million dollars.

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It doesn't mean you're not going to lose your job. It doesn't mean you won't go hungry. It means

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that you will be blessed by God in ways that he sees fit. And whatever God's blessings are for you,

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you should be thankful for them. And as much as we want to emphasize that not every blessing

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necessarily looks like a win at the time, most of them are. Most of God's blessings are just

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normal blessings that anyone can see. If you don't engage in contraceptive behavior,

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God will bless you with lots of children. It happens automatically. You get it for free. God

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just gives it to you. When you rebel against God, you don't get those blessings. Now,

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when those things are sinful, Jesus paid for them, and you will still receive salvation,

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but you will not have the temporal gifts that come to those who are obedient in this life.

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When it comes to football, I'd like to make a sort of practical argument that may reach

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some members of the audience who would not otherwise listen to us. Now for a religious audience

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undoubtedly, we're going to have some familiarity with a certain section of the IRS tax code,

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and that would be 501c. And the reason we'll have that is because, of course, 501c3 is where you

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get tax exemption for religious organizations. Now, what most people don't realize is that

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scroll down a little bit from 501c3, 501c6, football organizations are exempt.

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Now, as a general rule, our government does not do things that are for the good in the greater

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sense of the term good, things that are in line with Christianity, in line with Christ.

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And so you would, of course, be hard-pressed to find an organization that is more evil than

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the IRS. There are some in our government, of course, but they're certainly at the top.

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So if the IRS has preferential treatment for an organization,

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you can generally assume that it's one of a handful of reasons why that is the case.

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You have either it is too much of a hassle or it becomes too entangled or there's a legal

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restriction. That would be the case for religious organizations, several of those arguments.

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We won't get into them here. You have particularly moneyed or powerful individuals who can

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write their own laws by proxy, of course. And then you have things that are being pushed for

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particularly destructive purposes to destroy society. Often, reasons two and three tend to overlap

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a lot. That's a Venn diagram with a great deal of overlap in that middle section. But the reason

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that you have the NFL getting such preferential tax treatment and legal treatment and subsidies

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and everything historically is that those who are pushing for this have a very clear agenda.

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And that agenda runs counter to Christianity, as was mentioned. That agenda does all sorts of evil

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in our society. And it's not just the NFL itself. It's the things the NFL shows. It's the things

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the NFL advertises. It's the things that it does in its press releases and the way that it

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advocates for changing society and laws. It's the half time shows it's extensive.

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This is an organization that exists to undermine what is good in our culture. And many Christians

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are supporting it not just with their time and their attention, but also with a significant

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amount of money. And that's not to say that it's not entertaining too, but that's the problem.

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The entertaining aspect is the hook. The fact that you've maybe played college ball or like

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you've always had been into it doesn't change the fact that what it is being used for today

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is overt evil. And when people don't recognize that, we have a real problem.

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I think it's important before we wrap up to make a positive case for what Christian nationalism

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would look like. What would a Christian nation look like? And I think to start, we have to acknowledge

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that while on the right hand kingdom there is not necessarily permission for the church to

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forcibly baptize or forcibly convert separately from that question. On the left hand politically,

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a Christian government has a positive obligation to God to prevent false religions from spreading

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in its lands. If we were a Christian nation, there would be no more mosques. There would be no more

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synagogues. There would be no more Jehovah's Witnesses, Kingdom Halls. There would be no more

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more modern tabernacle. These things, the Christian science reading rooms, these things which are overt

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religions, which are, which are antithetical to God would not be permitted for the very same reason

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that when God gave the Hebrews new lands, he told them to cast down the idols of those lands to

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destroy them. That wasn't political guidance. That wasn't, oh, that was then in this is now. If

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you're a faithful Christian, you have a positive to desire to destroy that, which is evil, that

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which will cause people to go to hell. And if you're a Christian, if you actually believe what

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Christian doctrine teaches, then mosques and synagogues and Christian science reading rooms

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lead people to hell. They cause damnation by their existence and they would not be permitted.

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And that is why we will continue in virtually every episode, God willing, every episode.

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We will attack the Enlightenment by name and we will give details about why the Enlightenment

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was a perversion and an assault on God's order because the notion of the separation of church and

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state, which has nothing to do even with the initial implementation of the Constitution itself,

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but was was deemed later on. But it was an Enlightenment value.

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The idea that will the state can go in one direction and the church can go another and they don't

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need to step on each other's toes. There are cases where that's true and there are cases where

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that's false. And if you have a Christian nation, you should seek through the gospel to reach

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those who can be reached to give them the good news of God. But you're under no obligation to

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permit them to practice witchcraft. You have an obligation to God to kill them if they practice

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witchcraft. That's what God says in the Old Testament. And it's not, again, that's not a

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ceremonial law. If someone is going to behave in a way that is overtly satanic, the left hand

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kingdom, not the right, not the church, we're not saying that the church should be exercising,

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exercising force or violence. But the king, absolutely, he has a positive duty to do so and to fail

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to do so is to fail to be a Christian kingdom or principality or whatever form of government you

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have. It doesn't matter. The bottom line is if it is not upholding the very most basic Christian

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premise that over evil, even if it's spiritual evil, even if even if if it's a Satan worshipper

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who's not actually openly sacrificing humans, it doesn't matter. They still must be cast out

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and they must be stamped out and they cannot be permitted to exist. And if that means that you

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have to hunt them the way we hunt terrorists and drug dealers, they're in the same category

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only worse because you don't need to fear the one who can destroy the body. You need to fear the

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one who can destroy both the body and soul forever. And beyond even that, it's not just that that

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individual invites condemnation upon himself invites judgment upon himself. If you actually read

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the passages in the Old Testament, the existence of these individuals in a nation invites judgment

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on the nation. And so we have this modern conception. It comes from libertarian from enlightenment

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thought that well, my neighbor does his thing over on his property. And I do mine on my property.

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And as long as I'm not interfering with him, then he can keep doing it. And as long as he's not

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interfering with me, then he can keep doing whatever he's doing. And that's just not true. Because

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what my neighbor does does directly affect me, particularly if he is worshipping a false God,

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because he is inviting God's judgment on himself and on me. I live next to him. I'm part of his

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nation. I am not immune to the consequences of my neighbor's evil. Because God doesn't just judge

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individuals. He judges individuals, families, and nations. And there are clear examples of this

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throughout scripture. This is not something that appears in one place. It appears in many places.

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It is very clear that just as God blesses the faithful, he will judge and curse the faithless.

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And the inevitable counterargument is, well, what if the government doesn't do it right?

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What if they go after the wrong people? That's why we talk about headship. That is why we talk

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about the fact that he who is the head faces the stricter judgment. We spend a lot of time in the

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first episode different differentiating between those who are subordinate and those who are superior.

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If you're in a superior position, you have a greater duty to God. You have a greater accountability

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to God. So am I worried that the man who is over my nation politically may err in discerning

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the proper Christian treatment of things? Of course. Just as I'm concerned that he may make errors

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in terms of warfare or the economy or whatever, sound judgment and wisdom in Godly living

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are always driven by God and they're always in proclamation of God's will.

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And the fact that someone might get it wrong isn't an argument for not trying. It's an argument

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for getting it right and for caring about these things to the point that we stridently pursue them

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in a faithful obedience to God. Frankly, one that hasn't been seen for a long time,

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when Christian nationalism is condemned by pastors, I didn't mention this earlier, but you need

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to understand for someone to condemn Christian nationalism is to condemn virtually all of Christian

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history. Christian nationalism is why you're a Christian. I alluded to that point, but I want to

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make it explicit. You are a Christian because of Christian nationalism. You're a Christian because

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the leaders of the European kingdoms became Christians and their people became Christians.

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In some cases, it was more compelled than others, but you know what? Even if you're compelled to be

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a Christian, even if you don't really believe it, if your kids are baptized and they're raised,

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they're going to believe it. God visits His blessings on those who obey Him. And that's not to suggest

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that you can have some sort of pro-form obedience without faith. I'm simply saying that when you live

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a godly life, it will bear godly fruit. And that happens at the national level as well. Even

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godly heathens are blessed by God to a certain degree. Absolutely. Yes. They're blessed with children,

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they're blessed with long life and health. And you see this all the time. And it's one of the

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things that makes it difficult to reach them with the gospel because they're living the good life.

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They have everything. They're at peace. They don't lie. They don't slander. They do everything

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pretty much by the book. And so they feel self-justified. And no one should ever feel self-justified.

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Nothing that ever comes out of either one of our mouths should ever give anyone the indication

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that we think that we can save ourselves by any of this. All of this is post-seateriological

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conversation. We're talking about, okay, I'm a Christian what now? That's the reason that James

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wrote his wisdom epistle. James is a book that scares a lot of Lutherans. He used to scare me

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because I'd seen the one verse that says you're not safe. There's not the faith without works

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isn't a thing. And if you've been inculcated in Lutheran doctrine and not seriously engaged with

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sanctified living and what it means to live a Christian life, that does sound scary. But if you

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read the whole epistle of James, he was writing to Christians to tell him, okay, your Christians,

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what now? I am telling you what the Christian life looks like in Jerusalem or anywhere because his

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words were the Holy Spirit's words in their timeless. God gave us the epistle of James. He gave

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us Jesus preaching that again, it's not mostly gospel. It's mostly, here's all the stuff you

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should do and not do. And Jesus wasn't confused about how you were saved. He knew why he was here

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when he came. When he was preaching about obedience to God, he knew that the people who were hearing

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him would fail. He knew he was going to the cross to pay for their individual sins as well as

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ours. And he said it anyway, it was a feudal. No, it was not feudal because it is the means by which

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God wishes to give us his blessings. When you disobey God, housing in a bless you, there are

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certain blessings you can receive in those they're mentioned in Scripture. The sun shines and the

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rain comes and the food is given to the righteous and to the unrighteous alike. But when you live in

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God's word and you live a sanctified life that issues that which is evil and focuses on that which

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is good, including what your neighbor is doing, you will have more blessings. You might not get richer.

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You might still die from cancer. You're still blessed by God, even if the worst things happen to you

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because you are living a life that is in conformance as much as you're able with his will. And

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that pleases God. We've we've become afraid to say that obeying God pleases God, which is insane

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because it's all over Scripture. You can't open to a page that doesn't talk about a God pleasing

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life, pleasing God. We have a duty to please God. And when we talk about Christian nationalism

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in particular, we're saying that our government, our nation should be ruled in a manner that is

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pleasing to God. And if you have a political environment that is permitting evil, is permitting

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idolatry, is permitting gross offenses against creation itself, that is the opposite of pleasing to

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God. And you're not only going to get wrath, you're going to be judged for it both in this life

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and the next. It is open sin for us to tolerate the government that we have. And we're all guilty

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of it. And blogging about it and complaining about it on podcasts doesn't get us off the hook

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because it's our government too. And we will pay the price for what it does from God.

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And we are certainly paying the price with the state of our society. But to quickly address

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the argument to be loose with the term that always comes up that has been mentioned several times,

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those who say that, well, because this thing can be abused, it cannot possibly be good.

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Well, those who actually have and believe in the sacraments should understand that that is not

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the case because we use wine in the sacrament of the table in the Lord's Supper and can wine be

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abused? Certainly. Does that mean that wine is evil? Well, scripture is very clear that the answer

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is certainly no. It is not inherently evil. And to make sure we meet our Latin requirement for

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the episode, of course, that's just abuses, usum, known toilet. The abuse of a thing does not cancel

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or make void the use of a thing. Those are two separate considerations. Whether or not something

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is good is one consideration. Whether or not a particular use to which it is being put is another

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consideration. And so to use another illustration, there was a military commander who was being

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interviewed for the news because his base had had some young boys come to the base to learn various

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things, one of which was marksmanship, handling a rifle. And the female interviewer asked if that

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of course wasn't a dangerous activity. She said, well, you're equipping these young boys to be

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killers. And the general's response was very good. Well, ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute,

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but you're not one, are you? That's what a boils down to. The Christian life requires a Christian

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to live it. And the fact that we have so many who are afraid to even say, hey, go live a Christian

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life. It shows that we have ceased to be faithful Christians by any measure. You're not a Christian

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on Sunday. You're a Christian every day or you're never a Christian. If you can go sit in a

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pew and take the sacrament and sing the hymns and love the liturgy and whatever performative

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things you do, no matter how much you feel them in your heart, if you then go on with the rest

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of your week and forget about it and think that you can engage fully in the opposite direction

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from God's will. And it's not even that people do that thinking, well, they don't think it's sinful.

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They don't even think, well, I'm going to go sin and Jesus will forgive me on Sunday. They

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don't think that they're sin is sinful. And that's the most terrifying aspect of all of this.

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It's when we have pastors and other Christians openly attacking Christian nationalism, which is

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simply obedience to God. And they do it with a clear conscience. That's what all these things boil

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down to. I mentioned last week that just because you're a Christian and you do something doesn't

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sanctify what you're doing as itself Christian, you may well do it with a clean conscience. And

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that makes it even worse because not only is it very convincing, but you're on repentant when you sin.

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And that is why we will continuously point to scripture and what God says jumping over the last

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couple hundred years of what's come out of our church or any other church or anywhere in society

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because if something is true and it's from God, it is an eternal truth. And you don't need something

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that was put on a podcast last week or written in a book last year or published by a sin and 50 years

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ago for it to be true. If it's true, you're going to find it in scripture and you're going to find

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that it's been practiced by Christians throughout time. And what we find is that Christian nationalism

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has been practiced by Christians throughout time until the kingdoms were of Europe were overthrown

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and destroyed. And that began with the enlightenment and it began with the revolutions and we are

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witnessing the culmination of it now. And as we come to the end of this episode, I want to reiterate

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the point that we made last week about the genealogy of ideas. This idea that Christian nationalism is

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as I mentioned, there are dozens of podcasts devoted entirely to saying it's evil. Those people

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are not Christians. Those people hate God. They're the same people who want to castrate children,

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who want to do every manner of evil thing to creation. They also hate Christian nationalism. So

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if you're on the fence or if you actively despise it, it's important for you to look to your left

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and look to your right and see who your brothers and arms are as you go to war against Christian

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nationalism. Because it's not Christians. It's not the Christians of history. It is the most evil

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people in this day who are doing the most evil things. Those are the people who are the opponents

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of Christian nationalism. And they're accompanied by Christians who are doing in good conscience.

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There's a point that Dr. Koons made on the brief history of power podcast last year

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the astonishment. It's something I reiterate frequently. When Jeffrey Dahmer was captured and

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arrested and charged, it was exposed that Jeffrey Dahmer was a Sodomite, a kidnapper, a rapist,

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a murderer, a necrophile, and a cannibal. Those were the charges. And that's what was exposed

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about him. He didn't speak in his own defense to say, no, I'm not any of those things.

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But when it came out that when observing his victimology, there were blacks and Asians that he

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targeted to kidnap and rape and murder and defile and eat. The press called him a racist.

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And that's when Jeffrey Dahmer spoke up. He didn't care about the other things.

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He cared about being called a racist because being called a racist was contrary to Jeffrey Dahmer's

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religion. Not in the religion in the sense that there was a church that was devoted to it,

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but in Jeffrey Dahmer's heart of hearts, the greatest sin that he could imagine anyone

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committing was to be a racist. And he wanted to set the record straight that I'm not a racist.

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Yeah, I'm a Sodomite. Yeah, I'm a cannibal. I'm a necrophile. I'm a murderer. I'm not a racist.

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Get, let's get that one thing clear. That goes to the genealogy of ideas because if you hold that

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racism is evil or that Christian nationalism or evil, you need to look to your left and

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need to look to your right and see who it is that is in lockstep with you. And then ask yourself,

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if I oppose Christian nationalism on the basis of God's word, if I believe that I'm being faithful

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to God in opposing this thing, you must answer to your own satisfaction and to God's satisfaction.

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How is it that the atheist here left and the Jew to your right who is every bit as angry and

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hateful as you against Christian nationalism? How did they arrive at that conclusion? Because they

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don't have God. They hate God. They seek to destroy God's things and they seek to destroy Christian

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nationalism. Why are you in bed with those people? How did that happen? Maybe we're completely wrong.

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Maybe all these evil people, they got one thing right or two things, right? Since racism and

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Christian nationalism are all part of the same bucket. Maybe they're perfectly moral and

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perfectly right with God and they get everything else wrong. But you need to ask yourself,

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how did that happen? Because if they didn't get it from God, they got it from somewhere else.

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So when you look at the genealogy of where they got those ideas, it's the furthest thing imaginable

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from God. And that is the same answer to where you got the idea because you didn't get it from

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Christians. You didn't get it from Scripture. You didn't get it from God. And this is a point

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we're going to hammer home as often as people will listen because it's so easy in an evil world

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to not question assumptions and not question priors and just absorb whatever we're given. And

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someone sprinkles Jesus' dust on something and says it's in the name of love in the gospel,

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you're morally obligated to do it and believe it. That's the story that we're told.

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That's Satan's story. That's Satan's gospel to say, I'm opposed to everything that God is doing.

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Here, let me sprinkle some Jesus' dust on it so you suckers will eat it up because I know you

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love that. And then you will run wild and do what I want. That's what's happening with all of

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these subjects. And I wish the quarry and I weren't the guys who were saying things that are

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controversial, but they shouldn't be controversial. 200 years ago, they wouldn't have been.

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200 years ago, it would be unthinkable to have this conversation because no one could

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conceive of a world where people didn't simply already understand it intrinsically. And yet

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today here we are because of generations of faithlessness, the more and more we have abandoned

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godly living to the point that when you say live a godly life, Christians recoil. And we need

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to undo that. No one would listen to this podcast 200 years ago, even as fiction, it would be somewhat

01:12:42.400 --> 01:12:49.680
outlandish. Yeah, I mean, it literally fits the definition of unthinkable. The fact that you

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would have to debate over where people come from or whether or not we should obey God and have

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Christian leaders. That's controversial in the church today. And it's not because they got it

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out of the Bible. They didn't get out of the Bible. And so I just implore anyone listening,

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figure out where you got the ideas. Because if you didn't get them from God, you need to go find

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some ideas that came from God. And we're here to talk about those. And if you're looking at the

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genealogy of ideas a lot of times, you can also look at the progeny of those ideas. Because if you

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look at the progeny of the idea that well, we're all one race, the human race, well, we're all one

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male and female are just incidental. God rolled some dice and your soul came out as one or the other.

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Or maybe it's not even your soul. It's just your body. God stuck your soul in a body that happens

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to be male, happens to be female. Well, you start off there and you wind up with transgenderism.

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You wind up with sex reassignment, so-called surgeries for children. You wind up with puberty

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blockers. You wind up with abortion. You wind up with all of these evils. They all flow naturally

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from these things that people believe and don't think are controversial or evil or wrong.

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And so just to close out, I'd like to give a quick little summary of a good way for people to

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think about Christian nationalism and what exactly it is we mean and want by it. In the right

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hand kingdom, our head ultimately is Christ. And so of course our head is Christian being Christ

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himself. All Christian nationalism is, is a desire to have a Christian head in the left hand

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kingdom. If you're a child, you want your father to be Christian. If you're a wife, you want

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your husband to be Christian. If you're a citizen, you want your king to be Christian. And that's

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what we mean by Christian nationalism. Amen.