Transcript: Episode 0011

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Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. I am Corey J. Moller and I'm

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well. Today we are talking about the fact that we are living in the ashes of

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Christendom. We're living in an age where we have part of an inheritance that

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came from those before us that used to be Christian and some of us are still

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Christian but the structures underneath the the foundational aspects of what

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gave us the world that was inherited have really gone away and so today's

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episode is about the fact that different people from different groups as they

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look at the state of the world as you like you you turn on the news or you hear

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reports of what's going on in your community or in other communities are

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just nationally or globally it's not just that it's bad news and it's not just

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that the news seems to be getting worse it's that the news seems to be horrific

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and it's becoming horrific in a way that's almost impossible for some people to

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categorize and so as a result there has been a real movement especially

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online it's visible because you can sort of find all sorts of communities

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there there's been a movement to sort of return to tradition you know it's a

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meme you've probably heard and everybody wants to sort of pick their own

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tradition they think that there's a period and time that's going to work great

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you know for some of the zoomers it's the eighties you know they look at vapor

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wave and think that must have been you know it's kind of the peak human

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experience some folks look to the fifties and look at you know sort of the

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June cleaver suburban post-World War II neighborhood as the ideal if you're

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a southerner you may look to the antebellum south as sort of peak

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civilization some people go back to the Renaissance and some people particularly

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if they're not Christians will prefer to point back to ancient Greece and

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ancient Rome or even you know the Phoenicia or the Etruscans because if you go

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back far enough and you cherry pick what it is you're looking at you can sign

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find something that seems good and beautiful and certainly seems like an

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improvement over what we have today but what we want to talk about is why those

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things were good and why they seemed good and whether or not we can just return

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whether you can reboot the eighties or the fifties or the 1850s or there

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there's something that Dr. Koons on the brief history of power podcast mentioned

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it last year I think talking about the the pernicious notion of nostalgia that's

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kind of popped up where we have these affections for periods without

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understanding what was good about them and we think that we can just go

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backwards and get it and so I want to begin today briefly with a story it's

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something that I just serendipitously read this morning 21 years ago over the

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Atlantic Ocean in the middle of the night there was an Airbus A330 that was

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flying it six and a half miles up and unbeknownst to the flight crew or to the

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passengers a few days before maintenance crew had made some mistakes when they

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were placing one of the engines and so when those mistakes started causing

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problems during the flight the pilot and co-pilot also made mistakes as they

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were processing the inputs they were getting from their lights they were

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flashing and basically the problem was that they had a fuel leak one of the

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engines had burst a fuel line directly to the engine and so it was just pumping

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fuel overboard in addition to some of the fuel getting into the engine so it was

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still running and I'll put the link in the show notes case you're

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interested in the sort of the process how they figured it out the reason I'm

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mentioning this story now is I think it's a really good example of what it is

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that we're doing as we look at the state of the world because what happened at

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six and a half miles up it like four in the morning the the jet lost and

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exhausted the last of its fuel and so one second the jet was traveling like

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400 knots at 34 and a half thousand feet the lights were on the people knew

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something was wrong but you know it was still flying it was a jet and it was

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flying to its destination when the last of the fuel was exhausted and the engine

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flamed out they were plunged into darkness and there was total silence on that

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plane except for the sound of their screaming because that was obviously

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terrifying now from their perspective on the jet they knew that they were in real

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trouble because the lights were out and you know it's obviously this was bad and

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it wasn't going to get any better but as an external observer I want you to

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think about the fact that 10 seconds before the jet engine went out it was a

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six and a half miles up it was going up 400 knots everything seemed fine it was

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flying when the fuel ran out five seconds after that it was still going up 400

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knots and it was still a six and a half miles up so as you're measuring it kind

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of from a distance it seems like everything's okay it still has the momentum

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ahead before the fuel was exhausted and if you took a measurement a minute

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later they're probably going about 30 knots slower they were down about two

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thousand feet the good news in this case is that the pilot although he had

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misdiagnosed the failures he was a former bush pilot and he was actually a

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former narco trafficker so he'd been on some sketchy planes before and he was

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able to fly this plane with no power just he wasn't really flying it it was

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a glider at that point he managed to get it 75 miles to the Azores because

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again they were over the middle of the Atlantic Ocean he found the nearest

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airport where they could land that thing and he successfully got everyone

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there there were a few minor injuries from the landing but no loss of life so

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had a happy ending in that case but I think it's an example for us it as soon

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as I read that it struck me as I knew we were going to be talking about this

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today it's similar to our situation in this the thesis of this episode is that

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Christianity is and has been the fuel of Christendom's scent and trajectory for

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the last 1500 years and the fuel has run out and we're not even coasting on

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fumes anymore we are just gliding and so the reason that we're losing

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altitude and things are getting bumpy and people are starting to scream is

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that the fuel is gone and we want to talk about today the fact that most

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observers don't understand they haven't diagnosed the problem just like the

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pilot hasn't diagnosed the problem until the very last minute so they don't

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realize it's out of fuel they just think well the plane's going down it should

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go back up you know maybe they just need to return to their prior trajectory

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not understanding that the thing that made it a plane in the first place the

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thing that was keeping it in the air was the fuel and so as we are living

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today in the ashes of Christendom if we don't recognize the Christianity has

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been the fuel that has given the West all of the good things that it has not

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only are we not going to be able to diagnose the problem but we're not in any

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position to restore any of the former glory that we have and the reason that's

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important to Cory and I to frame this in terms of Christianity is that we're

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gonna talk about about Greece and Rome but we're going to make the case that the

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things that we think are good about the world that we have lost are the things

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that Christianity gave us and the things that we look back with nostalgia that

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seemed beautiful in the distance didn't necessarily have that tenor at the

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time if you had modern Christian morals all you don't have to be Christian

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hold them like Western morality as you know as it existed a hundred years ago

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most people even if they weren't Christian they still basically believed in

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good and evil from somewhere they believed in not robbing not murdering not

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doing any harm to your neighbor and so we're making the case that when the

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fuel went out of Christianity and it began to die in the West we lost the

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momentum that was keeping us in the air and the problems we see today are

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because of that loss and we see this in so many of our institutions not just our

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government institutions but also our social institutions our universities our

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corporations so many places it's inertia is what we're running on things were

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going at such a speed and for such a period of time with so much mass behind

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them that even though the engine is now dead and cut out because the fuel is

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gone things continue for a while as if there are no problems but as we go

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things get worse and worse just as if you're in a plane that is runoff fuel you

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cannot help but notice at some point in your descent things are a little off

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and so we see the cracks in the fissures forming in our institutions and

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academia is a great example I'm sure many listening will have at some point

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ban on a university campus as a student perhaps some as professors what

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have you and you can see this happening the quality of the education dropped

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off precipitously long ago but the reputation of the institutions remains and so

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we are turning out students graduates who know far less who are far less

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capable and that will have ramifications down the line for society and we see

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that with collapsing bridges and our space program that it basically defunct

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for decades the private sector has started it up a little bit again we could

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debate exactly the specifics of that another time but we see all of these

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consequences building up as that inertia spends itself and so there are those

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who try to look for some other explanation of what has happened and if you

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don't get to the root causes you won't propose solutions that will actually

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address the problems you see if you happen to be a new listener to this episode

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this episode will stand alone but if you want to check the back archives we've

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only this is an episode of thing 11 so we don't have that many but I would

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recommend beginning with the Christian nationalism episode and then the one

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after it about election in view of headship that was kind of a two-parter in

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one where the first part was about doctrine of the doctrine of election so

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that's a very explicitly Christian part of it and the second half was really

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about the history of Christendom not not at a deep level but but focusing in our

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case on the spread of the gospel and how everything that we think of today as

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Western civilization after Roman Greece has been a fundamentally Christian

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and obviously there was a period of time from about 500 to 1000 AD when

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different parts of Europe were being Christianized to different rates and

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different times but by about a thousand give or take it was the transition was

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pretty well over and so generally as Westerners today when we look back at

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our history and that is our history both the parts that were Christian and

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the parts that were pagan and I I should note I don't think I've mentioned this

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before but when when we use the term pagan it doesn't mean Thor worshiper which

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is really a modern LARP that's not even that's a reinvention of something

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and it's certainly not an insult I say pagan in contrast to Christian another

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term might be unbeliever but that kind of kind of seems more adversarial

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because if I say you're an unbeliever it begs the question that you should be

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believing in something which I obviously as a Christian believe but I don't

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want to pose that challenge to someone who's listening so if I say pagan

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or unbeliever it means the same thing and neither neither should be taken as a

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pejorative so those European nations beginning with Greece and Rome and

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their follow-ons as they became Christian they largely gave a transfer of

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what they had into the more modern era now there there are a few different

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groups of people on the internet which are obviously just people in real life

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but it plays out very clearly online as I mentioned you have kind of zoomers

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looking at the vaporment wave nostalgia there's some 50s nostalgia but for the

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most part I think a lot of people have a good sense of proper sense that a lot

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of our problems begin with the enlightenment which is absolutely true the

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reason that Christendom is dead today is that the enlightenment happened and we'll

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do an episode on them the future but it's just a given for everything that

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Cory and I say about this stuff

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prior to the enlightenment Western Europe Christianity Christendom reached its

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pinnacle in terms of arts in terms of cultural advancement which is kind of a

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dangerous word because that's what's been happening ever since there's been the

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promise of what's called progress the promise of improvement over previous

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eras where it's been done through the lens and with the ethos of the

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enlightenment where it wasn't a question of how can we serve God better it was a

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question of can we do this without God at all because look how well we're

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doing today look at all look at everything that we have built and the mistake

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that I think that a lot of people make today especially in the sphere of the

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right is to think that the greatness of Europe's history existed without

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Christianity without its influence and that's a really dangerous

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presupposition we'll talk about that in a few minutes but there's there's a

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clear dividing line in groups because if if you're not a Christian if you're a

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pagan you're gonna want to find something like ancient Greece and Rome where

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they had beautiful architecture they had art they had science they had civilization

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it was a proper civilization it was a godless civilization you can also look

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east to China if you've ever had the privilege of seeing some 3,000 year old

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Chinese art it is absolutely stunning it is it is far ahead of what the west was

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doing 3,000 years ago and I say that as someone who looked at that stuff not

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wanting to find out but just objectively the beauty and the intricacy and the

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advancement of the art that the Chinese had 3,000 years ago it's it's breathtaking

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that's beautiful I think that those periods of time are very interesting because

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if you're a Christian then you must necessarily be a young earth creationist and so

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we have the flood and we have Babel about 4,500 years ago so 3,000 years ago is

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only 1,500 years from the Tower of Babel where man was scattered and most of

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the men who were scattered abandoned God that was that was part of the the

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election episode but then succeeding generations fell away from God to different

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degrees and suffered different degrees of punishment and decay as a result I'm

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not I'm not making that is is a doctrinal claim I just personally based on

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observing the timeline and observing the state of the very civilizations I

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think it can be derived from the facts that we find from archaeology and from

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anthropology we can dig stuff up and we can see the state of civilizations

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3,000 years ago versus 2,000 versus 1,000 and I think that if you look at that

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history through the view of knowledge of the true God it's clear at least to

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me and I hope to to some of you that the further we got from Babel the worse it

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got for people who had not maintained a connection with God no obviously by

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the time that Jesus arrived it was really just the Jews and a few others who

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knew of God and even many of them hated and didn't believe him so it's not

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the claim of material gain it's the claim that without God you will lose

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other things even if you lose those things with God through Chastisement but

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the fact that China was frankly greater 3,000 years ago and it was 2,000 years

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ago I think demonstrates that point and that's the case when you look at Rome

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and Greece they were degenerate before the birth of Christ yeah they the in so

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to address those who might happen to be listening who are not Christians who

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maybe have a great fondness for ancient Greece and Rome particularly because a

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it seems beautiful and b there was no Jesus around so you don't have to buy

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any of this stuff that you know we're selling if you actually look at what

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life was like in that period it was basically like we have today there was

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abortion there was Sodomy there was Euthanasia there was cruelty a boundless

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cruelty based on disqualifying the humanity of other people and in our case

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we're not talking about slavery we're talking just about people who would just

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be killed because they were they were in the wrong class and you could treat

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them like animals you can mistreat them like animals even if you deal with

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slavery although that's an episode from their time but just briefly many people

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like to bring up that there was a reform under I cannot remember which emperor

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now but there was a reform of slavery around the time of the New Testament and all

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that it changed was that you needed a reason why you killed your slave and

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almost any reason would do because before that in the Roman Empire you could just

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kill your slave because you were bored that might still have been a good

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enough reason after the reform even but that's the sort of thing you had at the

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height of the power of the Roman Empire and obviously you had the the social decay

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creeping in as well and Greece had already fallen at this point so and you

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mentioned Phoenicia earlier they were known for child sacrifice that was their

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big contribution despite some of the things they achieved in their

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civilization they burned children alive to their gods in order to get a good

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harvest or favorable winds so you can't look back at these societies and not

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look at the totality of what they were doing they were doing all of the

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sorts of evil things our society is doing today just in a different way and

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it's particularly the things that I think the people looking back fondly to

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those periods are trying to escape if you're if you want to return to

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tradition you want to return to the Roman tradition because they had indoor

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plumbing and you know law and order you're going to get all of the things that

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you're trying to escape today as well because they were godless and they were

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in a period of decay even as they were building their empire now there's a lot

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of political stuff that we're not going to get into this because it's not a

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political podcast but I just want to point we want to point to those areas in

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particular to to try to make the case that the winds the the nostalgia that we

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have for those periods if you if you feel that I would strongly encourage you to

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look at what life was actually like in those times because I think you'll find

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that the things that are decaying today and the things that the

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Christianization of the West solved are the very things that you're trying to

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escape today and we're making the case that you're escaping it today because

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the Christianization of that the West ended and so we're we still have the

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technology we have the indoor plumbing we have some of the laws but they're

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rapidly being destroyed one by one precisely because the thing that got us

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here was not they were white they were high IQ that were good unto ourselves

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those to whatever degree those things are blessings they are not intrinsic goods

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if we are setting ourself against God and I think that the so that societal

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state of Greece and Rome in my opinion demonstrates that they were again they

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were just they were depraved they were doing the same sort of depravity that

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makes us recoil with your Christian or a pagan today you see the stuff that's

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going on in parades and everywhere and you're just you're rightly horrified you

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don't need to know God to know that this is the face of evil the face of evil was

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the norm 2500 years ago in 2000 years ago as well because although they had

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technological advancement and some of it was stunning what they didn't have was

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the source of moral authority that does not change across time and the loss of

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that structure as Corey said the the fact that the underpinnings have been

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knocked out and yet we still have the facade I think makes Christians as well as

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unbelievers look at and say well it's still basically mostly Christian you

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know some people go to church and yeah it's not as good as it used to be the

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reality is that we're not only running on fumes but the engine is out we're

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still at 30,000 feet but we're on a glide path to the middle of the ocean and in

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our case there's not going to be an azure's island for us to land it because the

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problems that we have are the destruction of the air pain like you know the

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analogy breaks down to some point you can't you can't save the craft unless you

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put the fuel back in it and in their case there is no putting a fuel until they

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landed for us the only landing we're gonna have if we don't get this going in

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mid air is going to be the complete destruction of everything and

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rewinding 30 or 40 or 100 or 200 or 2000 years won't fix our problems if we

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don't know what solved the absence of the problems in the first place the word

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progress is one of those curious little words that people always get wrong and

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so in keeping with a general theme terms and their meanings matter progress

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because of the fact that it starts with pro as opposed to say con leads many to

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conclude that it is necessarily good that is a secondary meaning of it it is

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come to be one of the meanings but that's not inherently what the term means the

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term comes from pro in Latin which just means forward and forward is not always

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good if you're walking forward and there's a cliff that's generally bad and the

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verb for to walk that's all it is to walk forward that's what progress means and

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and so what matters is your destination anyone who goes hiking or camping knows that if you're

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making progress down the wrong trail that's not a good thing so it matters what your destination is

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yes our society is still in some ways making progress but toward what are we progressing

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we're progressing toward evil no longer toward good and so you have to be careful when you use

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these terms like progress because it is 100% a matter of the destination not just of the fact that

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well I'm still upright and walking it must be good that's not necessarily the case

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and this is something that we in the church have fallen for hook line and sinker as well as

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the post enlightenment expansion of a fundamentally new religion without God progressed the way

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cancer progresses in a dying person's body there was the sense that we were leaving the old

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things behind and we were discovering new things and new ways of doing things and what's funny is

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that if you know history especially you know the history of heresy and the history of ancient

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degenerate civilizations we weren't inventing anything new we were rediscovering the same old gods

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that had been cast down by prep previous generations there's there's truly nothing new under the sun

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you're not going to find something that you think is better and clever that has not been tried

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before by people who got it from someplace evil and ran with it and so what's happened particularly

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I think since you know I mentioned the antebellum south I think since particularly in the United

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States slavery was ended as a legal institution outside of prisons which would be something we'll

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talk about in the slavery episode because slavery is still 100% legal in the United States today

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go read the 13th amendment if you think I'm wrong slavery is legal it they changed for whom it was

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legal that was done principally not by Christians at the time the abolitionists were principally

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radicals non-Christians in some cases they were anarchists and so they were fighting in moral terms

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for something that when they would try to sell it to Christians it was sold as a moral good as a

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Christian good and Christians are commanded to test the spirits it's one of the things that God

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says don't just believe somebody that they show up whether it's somebody with a collar or somebody

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with a podcast don't just believe them because they say something that sounds convincing test the

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spirits does this accord with scripture what happened particularly in the 19th century in the west

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was that things like slavery and then following hot on its heels the so-called emancipation of

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women funny how they use the same language when women were given the franchise it was done in

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moral terms it was done in terms of expanding freedom and expanding so-called rights and in terms

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of progress and it was sold in terms that Christians would gobble up because like oh that sounds

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Jesus-y because we stopped looking it was scripture says about any of those things scripture has a

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lot to say about slavery and it has a lot to say about women and about a woman's place in society and

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today when someone hears just the phrase a woman's place it sounds like a physical assault it sounds

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like I'm this madman that wants to chain women and wants to belittle and just treat them as subhuman

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to know your place in life is one of the greatest blessings it's the reason that teenagers are so

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angsty they don't know their place in life because they've been told their teenagers we stop saying

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that they're young men and young women where they have a clear trajectory to adulthood and to

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entering into civilization with their elders we start calling them teenagers whereas this transit

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of property and you know your role of dice and who knows what's gonna come out but you don't have

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any idea what your place in life is and so for us to say a woman's place it's intended as a

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blessing because God gives clear instructions for what that is and the women who are happiest in

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this world today are the ones who are closest to God's model for what they should be doing

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because ontology and vocation the more they overlap the more joy we are given

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and the attack on slavery and the attack on the absence of feminism which was itself an attack

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on civilization the creation of feminism as an idea was done specifically to knock some of these

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supports out of civilization not to be clear I'm not saying the slavery was a supportive civilization

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I don't believe that I don't think it's a moral good or evil and I think scripture makes that

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someone wants to misquote me they're gonna do that anyway I'm not saying you need slavery to have

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civilization I don't believe that however if you're a Christian you can have reasons to not want

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or to not like slavery but you cannot have reasons that you ascribe to God because God doesn't do

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that and what has been happening ever since the 1850s and really since the Enlightenment one by

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one we've been taking things where God was clear as we talked about early on the genealogy of ideas

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there's never been any doubt about these questions in all of Christian history until suddenly

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these questions arose and people like wow this is fascinating I'm really concerned that everyone

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before me isn't hell because they were underpentant centers for doing these things and so more and

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more today worldly ideas that have no genesis and scripture they have no nexus to God are

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imported they're slathered in Jesus butter and everyone is told yeah that's Christian because

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it sounds loving and that has to be the end of the argument and if you point to scripture and say

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well what does scripture say about slaves or what does scripture say about women you're attacked

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you're shouted down as an evil person now are there evil people who've asked those questions I don't

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probably but is the question evil no as a Christian the question is vital and as someone

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trying to undo the damage civilizationally they were facing today the questions must be asked

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because the fuel ran out of Christianity as we stopped believing the Bible even as we talk about

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solar scripture and how yeah I believe everything in there we just say well yeah but that's not what

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that means or that was in that day it doesn't really apply well no one ever thought that before

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and the fact that we freely think that now is precisely why civilization and Christendom are in a

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nose dive and we don't know how to fix it because we refuse to actually turn back to the God who gave

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us the tools to prevent the decay that is frankly being given to us as punishment God is abandoning

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us to our base or passions and we deserve the destruction if we don't return to godly living

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and so we're trying to reframe this episode in Christian in terms of Christianity because it is

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the only source of truth they can maintain these things over extended periods of time if you live

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a life in a court with God you will live a blessed life you might not be prosperous but you will

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be prospered by God even if you're poor even if all your children die in infancy you will still be

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prospered we don't know what form it's going to take but we know the God will bless us and we

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also know the God will punish us when we turn our backs on him and we've done that and

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Cory and I want people to ask the questions about you know maybe we need to turn on the lights in

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here so we can see what we're doing because we're not looking to scripture when these problems arise

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and if Christians can't look to scripture to help guide the rest of the world

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how are we doing our duty as Christians are we not hiding our light under a bushel if we can't

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even explain how evil is evil and good is good and maybe we should do one and not the other and

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here's why and if you look at all these movements that were born really as the children of the

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enlightenment which would be the anti-slavery feminism all of these various things one of the

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underlying goals is atomization the goal is to separate people men and women from the groups

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into which God placed them it's to separate women from their families it's to separate men from

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their families it's to say you're not a member of a class or a group or a race or any of these

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other things you're an individual and it's only you you're the only one who matters and that's

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not how God made us and that's the reason it's fundamentally subversive all of these various

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movements and the reason that it knocks the legs out from under any civilization that's the

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death of Christendom that's the death of civilization when people when men and women start thinking

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of themselves as an individual first and foremost instead of a father or a mother or a son or a

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daughter or a brother or a sister because these are the things God made you

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you are in the family God gave you because God gave you that family God created you in the womb

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to make you part of that family to make you a child of your mother and your father

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God made you the race that you are God made you all of the various things where the attributes

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you have are gifts from God so when you just start denying these things and saying that no I am

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this self-sufficient island I stand alone and I need no one else and nothing

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you are denying the reality of creation you are denying what God created and you are becoming

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part of the problem you are becoming part of what is destroying civilization all around us

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and that is what these have in common and of course they have that in common because they have a

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common motivating intelligence behind them and as I've said before no human beings could not

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form these sorts of conspiracies over a course of centuries and orchestrate these things we know

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historically humans are not very good at working on that scale at least in secret for that long

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but Satan is and ultimately that is the power behind all of these movements and that's why they

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have a coherent goal that's why they all work toward that goal because there is actually a plan

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and so you can choose do you want to be on that side with Satan supporting his forces or do you

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want to be on God's side it's a very stark choice and one would think it would be an easy choice

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but so many today make the choice that no I like these things that the enlightenment has given me

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even though they're cancer in the short run they're pleasant some of them and so people opt to

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keep those instead of asking the hard questions actually looking at scripture seeing what it is

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that God says is right and true and good and as Christians first and foremost we should be looking

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to scripture to see what God has said about these things not looking to what the world has done

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not looking to what we are told is progress a great example of looking to scripture and

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atomization can be found in 2nd Corinthians 12 where God says for children are not obligated

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to save up for their parents but parents for their children now try saying that in a room full of

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boomers and see if you don't get lynched because that the idea of atomization and individualization

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and I got mine and you need to earner yours and pick yourself up from by your bootstraps

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have become so normal that those are now moral claims it's not simply wisdom whether it's true

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or false but those are moral dicta that are given by older generations to younger generations

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without regard to their circumstances without regard to the fact that picking yourself up by your

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bootstraps isn't possible today the way it was 50 years ago well and only that it's fundamentally

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impossible which is one thing that I think is funny because it came over from a German fairy tale

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it's Baron Moonchausen and one of the the famous stories about him it's it's told in various ways

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but he saves himself and his horse from quicksand or a muddy trap whatever it happens to be in the

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particular tale by pulling himself and his horse up by his hair well some of them are pulling

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himself up by his bootstraps that's where we literally get it from it was meant to be something

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that is literally impossible and it's become this phrase in the US that's practically sacrosanct

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that will know you pull yourself up by your boot it's meant to be something that is impossible

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and so this is great irony that it's used so frequently to mean that that somehow this is

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something you can do if you just work hard enough I guess we can all be Baron Moonchausen and pull

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our horse out of a muddy puddle by pulling our own hair that's amazing there's another application

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of that same technique in a different fairy tale of Rumpel Stiltskin in the original ending the way

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he died when she guessed his name was he stamped his foot so hard that he got one of his feet stuck

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in the ground and he pulled his other foot up over his head and tore himself in half and died

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so when he tried to pull himself up by his bootstraps that's how it actually ends up you end up

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eviscerated and dead and you know it's so atomized as yeah return to the dust I guess that's

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the only biblical part of the whole thing it's you know the fact that scripture says the

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women are to be silent and this slaves are to obey their masters and that parents are to save

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up for their children these are countercultural things today these are things that will make

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people so angry that they will say you're not Christian simply for quoting scripture

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and the reason we're doing this podcast series the reason that were that we had spent the

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money and the time to do any of this was that more and more we saw Christians reacting with visceral

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hatred to the plain words of scripture and as we look like I've said before and Cory and I

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both spent a lot of time reaching out to people who are not Christians to explain the world

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in Christian terms that they can understand yet it's funny when the the communion thing blew up

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in the last couple weeks there were at least two different one was a not a Lutheran one wasn't a

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Christian at all who asked if I could briefly explain what the controversy was and in both cases

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in like four tweets which is 280 characters each I was able to explain it well enough that they

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said thank you I understand perfectly what's going on now now that sort of clarity of speech and

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thought and communication should be the bare minimum that should be table stakes for any pastor who

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wants to speak on any issue and as Christians we should be equipped whenever we're speaking about

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the world to speak in such a way that if someone doesn't know God and they don't care about God

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maybe we can make the pragmatic case for God that's not a bad thing to say you know what the

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suffering in the misery in your family for the last couple generations you know this isn't

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your opening salvo but at some point you should be able to make the point to them that the decay

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in the misery that you're suffering from is due to disobedience to God the the fact that the

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you know grandpa was alcoholic and mom was abusive and the kid is now looking a hormone replacement

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therapy and you just found Jesus and you're like once you once those people find Jesus they

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understand what was missing from all those previous generations but the curse of sin

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is baked into the acts of sinfulness the fact that when you do evil you will typically get

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walloped immediately with the evil consequences there might be a delay of you know a few minutes or

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six months or a year but you're always going to pay the price for whatever evil you do not just

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from guilt and not talking about the eternal price talking about in this life you know sometimes

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people can steal stuff and get away with the consequences yeah and and temporal consequences are

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are something that Christians used to believe in it's something that we you know Lutherans confess

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every Sunday when we confess our sins but if you don't believe that how can you explain to

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someone who's not a Christian who's looking at you know we're sitting in the ashes of Christ

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and we're seeing everything collapsing around us and we don't understand why and on one hand

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like we're not simply saying well yeah this is God punishing us like that's true but it's not

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it's not even close to the most interesting part of what's going on because God's punishment

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is reversible when the sin ends when Israel repented God stopped chastising them and then they would

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fall into sin again and they would be chastised again and it was a cycle and it's a human cycle

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it wasn't particular to them it's particular to all of us and what we've seen and what we

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described in the election episode and are continuing here is that for Western

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society and civilization we had an incredibly long long arc of well over a thousand years

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where God's blessings were poured out pretty much continuously and we had exponential growth

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of population in a entirely sustainable manner it wasn't simply ballooning as has happened

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in Africa and they're only kept alive completely artificially by drug and food subsidies are

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shipped in from outside their natural population is 20% or less of what they have today

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and that was not the case in Europe Europe grew as God gave the growth and we were able to

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continue to feed ourselves despite not having a whole lot of arable land through improvements

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and technology which are the result of wisdom which are the result of blessing and so

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Christians shouldn't be afraid of science and we shouldn't be afraid of knowledge but we should

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because we should understand that those good things come from God but they're gifts just like

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if you are given a million dollars from some long dead aunt that you didn't even know existed

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that's a gift from God what kind of person are you after that are you the kind of goes and blows

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it all on drugs or on fast cars or on gambling or do you save it away or do you put it to work

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in the church or you know there's not a right answer but there are a lot of wrong answers

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and when God gives us gifts we need to be conscious of the fact one that they're coming from God

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and two that they're not just for us to sit on or to be happy they're for us to be a blessing in

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the lives of others so if you're given the gift of being able to explain things clearly use that

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gift to explain important things clearly to people who need them explained and if you're not given

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the gift please don't try beyond your limits please find someone who can help explain things so

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that you don't make things worse the gifts that God has given God will also withdraw you know we

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we see this with the weather and we see this with famine scriptures very clear that the storehouses

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of the winds are controlled by God and the fact that today we understand that the sun heats

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the earth's crust and gives rise to currents that rise and fall and cause the winds to blow

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doesn't change the fact that God controls the winds there can be both sides of the sun so

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yes yeah just moves at one step yeah exactly but that's that's the way God designed the system

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and that's the system that God is operating and continuing to maintain and I think that

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the reason one of the reasons that the enlightenment was so damaging was that on one hand our

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scientific and we talked about this a little bit a couple weeks ago but Scantia is Latin for

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knowledge it doesn't mean truth that's where it's us Scantia means knowledge science is the

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pursuit of knowledge and knowledge is implicitly of truth you can't know something false you can

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be misled but you have knowledge if you have knowledge you have knowledge of a true thing so science

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properly understood can only ever be right to the degree that it understands something

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and a lot of science involves speculation and hypothesis and proving and disproving hypotheses

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but ultimately the things that we understand about the world if you have a Christian worldview it's

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simply laying bare more of what God is doing and again we shouldn't be afraid of thinking and talking

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in these ways because there are people who don't know God but they know science maybe they know

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the crappy modern version of science that's really nothing of the sort but they see some value at

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least in the historical trajectory of gaining knowledge of the universe if we can only as Christians

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argue with them and say well that's not true that's not true and have no other explanation for

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anything we look stupid as Cory said last week you just look dumb because they don't know God

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but they know that that's nonsense and if you're telling them nonsense in a way that's

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verifiable to them is untrue they will never listen to you and believe things that they don't

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have knowledge of and so the trajectory of God's work in history and the manner in which he works

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in space and time is important to us because his wrath ebbs and flows according to our sin

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and so do his blessings and I'm not trying to do you know the jury fall while throwing a

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attributing a particular storm to a particular sin I don't necessarily think that's invalid but

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I think it's typological they're small and big ways that these things manifest and we're not

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prophets we can't correlate these things in without with perfect certainty but we can know in general

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that when things are getting worse is a Christian we need to understand that's chastisement

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and we have to ask the question chastisement for what and so we're talking about the ashes of

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Christendom because we're so far down the path of the what that we can't even see it anymore we

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got to throw this thing in reverse and go full blast just to get back to where we can have some

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semblance of Christianity even while we're still celebrating the liturgy in church and we still

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have the Bible and we're still Christians on Sunday the point we're trying to make is let's be

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Christians every day not about doing good works for salvation but about being beacons of God's

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truth in every step of your life because if you're doing that God will continue to open doors for

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you to be able to explain things to people that would never have happened if you don't let people

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know your Christian and let them know you have something to say and maybe they won't believe you

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maybe they'll think it was stupid who cares I get called stupid all the time by people who are

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aren't even close to how smart I am and I don't take it personally they don't they don't understand

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that's that's for the IQ episode but you can't care you can't care if people don't like you or

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don't believe you tell the truth and let that be its own reward and you'll be surprised and blessed

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by who does hear you because it'll be something you didn't even know was listening but we got to

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talk about these things frankly and we got to talk about them to people who think we're stupid

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when we say the believe in Jesus that's part of it that's part of being a Christian and modern

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evangelism is about talking about these things the entire project of the enlightenment essentially was

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to remove God from everything because the animating intelligence behind the enlightenment I would hope

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would be obvious by now but that was accomplished by redefining knowledge and truth

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and for centuries it had been the case that the physical sciences the artist's surveillance the

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survival arts were considered secondary to the artist's liberales the liberal arts which would

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include such things as philosophy and theology theology was originally conceived of as the queen

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of the sciences it was the pinnacle of human knowledge everything else flowed from that because

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that was knowledge of ultimate things ultimate truth ultimate good and so in so far as things

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agreed with truth they were considered useful or good and so science was a method so developed

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in the more modern sense of the term to go about acquiring knowledge that was consistent with the

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good the beautiful and the true however it is still the case that truth is prior to knowledge

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what the enlightenment attempted to do was redefine it so that truth is merely the cumulative

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noun in order to describe its sort of the plural of plurals of data of knowledge and so if you acquire

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enough data well that adds up to a truth that's not how it works truth is something fundamentally

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different and so what we're talking about here is truth we're talking about ultimate realities

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not just a collection of data points that give us a pattern and point to something a probabilistic

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reality as it were but to go back for a second here to God blessing and cursing because both are

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of course present in scripture I thought of Jeremiah 18 and so I'll read verses 7 through I think 10

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here if at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will pluck up and break down

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and destroy it and if that nation concerning which I have spoken turns from its evil I will

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relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it and if at any time I declare concerning a

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nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it and if it does evil in my sight not listening to

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my voice then I will relent of the good that I had intended to do to it right now we are a bit of

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both of those because obviously in centuries past we were the kingdom God planted and blessed

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and we turned from him now we are the wicked kingdom that God is going to curse and if we turn

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back to God of course he will bless us again in the words of David I believe that I will see the good

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of the Lord and the land of the living and so if we turn back to God he will relent of the judgment

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that's just in his word that's what he promises we believe his word

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but currently our society is not turning back to God it is doubling down on rejecting him

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and part of that is because Christians no longer know how to talk about God how to actually

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believe in God and to act as Christians out in the world where Christians as was said for an hour

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an hour and a half three hours whatever it is on Sunday for the liturgy and Bible study and then

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we live the rest of our life that's not how it's supposed to be we are supposed to be Christians

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24-7 our entire lives not just for an hour or two on Sunday so if you apply that frame to the

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the different time periods that I mentioned towards the beginning of the episode going back to the

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80s is I can us all of this problem you know and everything's the pink and lasers no

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hey there's Christianity was already dead at that point it's just that there was less momentum lost

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than than we're seeing now going back to the 50s no better the same problems because you're

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already centuries into the enlightenment you're over a century into the revolution against headship

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that occurred first in the civil war and then in the 19th amendment going back to the renaissance

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doesn't help either because even when you get there the question is what good did they have why

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did they have it it's not because they were European it's not because they were white it's not

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because they had a monarchy although that's an improvement that's what God has ordained since

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we cease to have his direct intervention what was good about them was that they lived and walked

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and obviously there were terrible things that happened then too we're not we're not making the

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error that we're trying to condemn here by saying that it was a true pure golden age were only

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Christianity prevailed obviously you can look at the wars and the famines and the things and see

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that there was chastisement them then as well so the reason that we're highlighting those things

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and that we previously highlighted Rome and Greece is to point to in all of these periods the only

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good things that we had were because we were living in accord with God yeah I mentioned we talked

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I think last week about BLM and about their web page where they talked about attacking slavery

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attacking the patriarchy attacking heteronormativity very interesting and I forgot to mention at

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then but that their manifesto was basically a complete inversion of Galatians 328 and 329

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God Satan knows scripture Satan when Satan laid out his roadmap on the BLM website for what he

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was planning to do in 2020 and beyond it's no coincidence that it reads like Galatians 328 and when

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you read that verse there's a tremendous amount to unpack their quarries probably gonna write a book

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about it pretty soon if he finishes if he hasn't run out of ink well I won't run out of ink

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thankfully I do have enough of that it's just there's that matter of time if God gives me the time

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but if you're not looking at scripture if you're looking at it through enlightenment eyes you're

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gonna read Galatians 328 in a very particular way that no one received it prior to the enlightenment

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the way it was received in Christianity prior to us

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ceasing to believe in God even while we still call ourselves Christians

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what it was strictly sociological it is strictly about how faith

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saves us and how God acts within creation without regard to class without regard to race without

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regard to sex and the fact that God vertically interacts with us in that way does not change the

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horizontal interactions that we have with each other it's an interpretation of those yes it has

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precisely because it's using yeah it's using real things in order to make an important point if

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these were all illusory if these were false that they were not real then the verse would be either

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incoherent or useless but it's not because these are all real I've practically memorized it by now

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but I'll I'll go ahead and pull it up I've got I have log us up in the background so there is neither

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June or Greek there is neither slave nor free there is no male and female for you are all one in Jesus

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Christ and what people latch on to is that one in Jesus Christ now that's referring to the church

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that's referring to Christ's bride we are unified through faith as the bride of Christ with our head

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who is the head of the church that's salvation talk that's not in this life talk we are not all

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one in this life and that was never God's intention you know who's intention it was to be all

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one in this life that's the cry of Babel that was what they were saying at the tower of Babel we

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will we will show the whole world that we are unified that we can do things that are unthinkable

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they had technological advancement they had pride and God scattered them by confusing our language

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specifically so that man would no longer be one and today when you say man is not one no

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we're not setting Galatians 3 28 against Genesis 9 or 10 or 11 wherever is where is thing 9

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anyway we're not setting against the tower of Babel we're specifically saying that when God saw

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that man was trying to be one God saw was evil it was one of the most profound evils in human

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history it was probably an evil second only to the flood because how many times does God

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intervene globally with a curse that affects every man not often you'll have localized curses

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but the flood wiped out all but eight and Babel confused all language for all time even in heaven

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languages are preserved they're no longer confused in Revelation 7 9 and following it talks about

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how every tongue was represented they still have their tongues in heaven we will be able to

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understand each other but are unique distinctive identities as different races with different

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languages we have no reason believe that those won't be preserved now I think it's important to

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note when we're talking about this that Pentecost didn't undo Babel Pentecost was the fulfillment of

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Galatians 3 28 if you look at it closely the words that they were speaking at Pentecost they couldn't

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just understand each other they weren't just sitting around having a conversation what could they

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understand they understood the gospel the preaching of the word of God and the announcement of

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Jesus Christ coming as the Savior is what they understood in their own tongues it was

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salvific it pointed to God it didn't mean that they could order off a Chinese menu even though

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they were Greek that was not the point that was not the gift God did not use Pentecost and he

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did not use Christianity to turn mankind back into one and today to say that we'll probably get

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you kicked out of even a lot of Lutheran churches because we are again we're so inculcated in the

01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:39.760
the enlightenment viewpoint that is fundamentally satanic it is an undoing of Babel it's an undoing

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of Galatians 3 28 it's a reversal of the things that God has done and God has declared and it's

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saying no humanity will once again be united but not in Jesus when God says we are one in Jesus

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that's about faith we're only one in so far as we are the elect we are not one because we're all

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human that's there's no such thing and that is that's basically the gospel today to most people

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it's a false gospel from a false God but it's presented in terms that sound Jesusy they sound

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sort of Christian and even Christians fall for it and then Satan can keep going he can keep

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marching because like we see keeps saying if you fall for one trick if you fall for one lie you're

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going to fall for one after another and eventually you're going to find yourself so far separated

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from God that you won't even realize that you've run out of fuel and that you're coasting

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into the the Atlantic Ocean for the morning and there's no island for you to land on

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speaking of lies when we use Galatians 3 28 we should probably really use 3 29 as well

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just because it refutes one of the most common lies in particularly American Christianity today

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and just to read that verse and if you are Christ's then you are Abraham's offspring

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heirs according to the promise which of course is a blunt and complete refutation of Zionism

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sometimes called Christian Zionism the Jews aren't chosen the elector chosen and you are amongst

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the elect if you are heirs according to the promised which is to say if you are in Christ

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and so really we should make sure to include that verse just because it is such an important verse

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for our context and again it's it's another one of the lies that yes these ethnic distinctions race

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these are real things these do matter but 3 28 this part of Galatians is dealing with so

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tearyology not with the physical reality that we live in now not with horizontal relationships

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or even more will be preserved in heaven because the nations are there well because they're good

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the destruction of that which is good is evil and so God is not going to destroy these things

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because they are part of his good creation the nations probably were part of his design from the

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beginning perhaps babble accelerated things we don't know exactly how that worked out but we know

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that the nations are good because in revelation they are preserved the kings of the nations will

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bring the glory of the nations into the new heavens and the new earth that means they are preserved

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and only that which is good is preserved because there is nothing wicked or evil or wrong in

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paradise and so we know the nations the races are good I think we can absolutely say that because

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the God the command that God gave to Abraham and that he reiterated to Noah or sorry not to Abraham

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to add him and reiterated to Noah was be fruitful and multiply fill the earth and subdue it

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and babble was about refusing to fill the earth now earth doesn't just mean the Mesopotamian

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it means the whole planet and what happens when you move from Mount Ararat to Norway you get pale

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and you get light eyes because because it's the only way that you don't go snow blind because it's

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really bright up there and there's hardly any sunshine and you need vitamin D and you need to be

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able to see so you turn into a Norwegian when you move to Norway when you move to Ethiopia not any

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more dark skin yes yeah that was that was a one time thing God built in same for dogs you can't

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go from a Chihuahua back to a golden retriever but from the original breed stock you could get both

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yeah and so all of the genetic diversity that we observed today was preserved and

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Noah and his sons and their wives and the diversity of the three distinct major nations almost

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certainly comes from the three wives of the men who were they were descended from people who

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were killed in the flood they were descended from people who were different and there'd been about

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10 generations so there had been time for genetic divergence at that point and that filtering and

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that winnowing and then that expansion through babble ensured that people went where God wanted

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them to go act 1726 that says that God appointed the dwelling places of the nations and the boundaries

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God ordained for nations to go to places you ordained for Ethiopians to live in Ethiopia

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and Norwegians to live in Norway and the undoing of that is contrary to God's will and yet today

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it's practically the rallying cry many of our I'd say churches in the most small sea version possible

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their pastors who advocate these things again in view of the enlightenment and so the reason

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that we're ending this episode about chrysanthemes ashes is that it's not just cultural it's not just

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about the law and about good behavior in public it's about our ability to even hear the word of God

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you know when King Josiah rediscovered the law that had been lost they didn't simply lost

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part of the Torah they forgot it existed because they weren't looking for it a workman found it in

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some rubble as they were doing construction and say hey look what I found he brought to al-Qaeda

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and when Josiah heard he was horrified and he he rent his robes because he knew that even though

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he was a faithful king who had been had been repairing the temple and he thought that he was

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observing the law he realized that not only had he not been observing all but but he'd forgotten

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part of it existed and it wasn't his doing it was fathers his fathers and grandfather's doing

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that that had been lost that's where we are at today with scripture but without misplacing it

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we have the whole Bible we have as many Biles as we need we're not reading and believing any of

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every single person in his pocket yes and yet today we have pastors who hate Korean me absolutely

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with every fiber of their being I have never seen them fight any evil in their lives as hard as

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they fight us saying what we're saying on this podcast and fighting as hard as they can to keep

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you from hearing it now these are men who were trained in the word of God who had been ordained

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by our own churches who were sent forth to proclaim the word and yet when we say the very same

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things that God says were told and they tell the world that were damned that's why we're talking

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about christened some dead christened them zashes because it's not just it's not just on tv it's in

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our own pulpits and it's in our own churches and in some cases it's in our own hearts where we have

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grown so cold and so deaf to God's voice that when the master speaks the sheep no wrong no longer

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recognize him and that is truly terrifying that is something that we must reverse before we can

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reverse the cultural decline before we can fix the other things we need to have faithful faithful

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preachers preaching faithfully and they can only do that if they believe the whole word of God

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you need to believe genesis one and two you need to believe that the world was created in six

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twenty four hour days if you believe anything else you are cursing God you are calling him a liar

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and you're saying you don't want anything else the he has because he's not going to give it to

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you if you call him a liar it's not a it's not an alaqar menu where we get to pick and choose

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which parts of scripture are from God and which parts we have better ideas about every word is

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from the mouth of God and to reject any of it or to poo poo it or to try to translate and interpret it

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away is to renounce your own salvation even while you confess it and so we're doing this episode

01:08:59.440 --> 01:09:06.080
in this series because this is the chief challenge of our day there won't be any Lutheranism in 20

01:09:06.080 --> 01:09:11.600
years if these things continue because our churches are dying and the boomers who were paying

01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:16.480
all the bills are dying literally their children are apostate their grandchildren are obviously

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apostate there's nobody coming that is God's punishment too the grandfathers were faithless and

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so the grandchildren are faithless it may be two different modes of faithlessness but the result

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is the same and it's a curse from God yes and it will keep getting worse you know they're big parts

01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:41.840
of this country where you're not only dealing with atheist neighbors but you're dealing with second

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and third generation atheists where not only were they not baptized not only did they grow up

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around the church or the word et al but their parents didn't either in some cases their grandparents

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didn't to think that we can preserve the Christian civilization that we inherited without the

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foundation of that civilization is the very definition of insanity in some places we're actually

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dealing now with Muslim and other neighbors as well which again scripture very clear about this

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that's a curse from God to have foreigners come into your country and take over your country

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is a curse from God God has used that many times throughout history in order to punish an apostate

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people and we have to be ruled by women yes or women or children directly compare the same yeah

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but we have pastors who say this is a good thing that we have oh well all this opportunity to

01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:54.000
outreach to no being cursed by God is not a good thing I can't believe we even have to say that

01:10:54.000 --> 01:11:00.560
and yet people no longer see that this is a curse from God I'm not saying you don't proselytize

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those who are not of the same race as you of course not we as Europeans took Christendom to the

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entire rest of the world with the sole exception being a tiny part of the Levant and a church in

01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:22.320
India and of course Ethiopia which had things for other historical reasons we've touched on that

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in other episodes that is the reason Satan hates us of course because we built Christendom and then

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we took the gospel to everyone else that is how you do it because that is how you are blessed by God

01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:42.480
God will bless you if you are faithful in that way having your nation invaded by foreigners

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is not an opportunity it is a curse and it's an act of war and both must be responded to

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absolutely in the so called left and the right hand kingdoms of God one other point I want to

01:11:57.360 --> 01:12:02.000
make about culture because I don't you know well we're going to do an episode soon about Jews and

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Judaism but a lot of times you will find even fairly good pastors use the term Judeo Christian

01:12:10.480 --> 01:12:16.240
you know we're talking about culture and ethics is sort of implied and then so you'll talk you'll

01:12:16.240 --> 01:12:23.600
hear people talk about the Judeo Christian roots of our laws or of our culture of our ethics

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that's a brand new term that term was invented after Jews started showing up in the United States

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because this is one of the places where they began to integrate and they wanted to not be

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treated as outsiders and how do you do that you co-opt the existing population you say oh you guys

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are Christian we're Jews you're Judeo Christian it's it's the same thing it's two sides of the

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same coin guys you got your religion from us we had it first and then we gave it to you which is

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pure nonsense and pure blasphemy as we've said before Adam believed in the promise of the

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Christ given to him in Genesis 315 that's Christianity Noah believed the same promise Abraham

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received believe the same promise and his faith was counted to him was a courted to him

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everyone who's in heaven is Christian some of them were also Jews not because of the so-called

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Jewish faith but because they had the Christian faith within the Jewish tradition

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now's the point that we'll make more clear them it's I'm not gonna make a good case for it now but

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it is fundamentally subversive when someone says Judeo Christian what they are doing is they're

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advancing the enlightenment because there's a whole lot of Judeo going on TV right now when you see

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transexuals and you see transgender surgeries for children that's the Judeo in Judeo Christian

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we've all seen that the the terrifying horrifying pictures of books being burned in Germany in the

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1930s nobody tells you what those books were that they were burned or if they tell you they saw

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yeah those they were Burnham Bibles those guys hated God no the books that they were burning

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specifically burning and those literal pictures were from Magnus Hirschfeld's disease

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they were the original transgender surgery materials they were the original material

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about homosexuality and sawdemy and transgenerism and how to spread this filth in this evil in the

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West when you hear about Weimar Germany that period that happened before the 30s and you hear

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about the cultural decay and the depravity that's what they're talking about what happened in the

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30s was a collective political response from the German people in opposition to the terrible

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societal decay that they had been exposed to and it was the Judeo half of Judeo Christianity that

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was doing all that there were no Christians involved at any point you know as I mentioned recently

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in the episode we mentioned head coverings it was a Jew who told churches to burn their veils

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and we all responded and now 50s years later it's it's nearly unthinkable in both churches

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for a girl to wear a veil let alone for us to say you should veil let alone you must veil

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that wasn't Christian that was the Judeo half of that so-called two sides to one coin

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there's a clear and market difference in the God that we worship and the God that they worship

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they worship the God of the Enlightenment they worship the Prince of this world we worship the one

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true God and the fruits of the two opposing religions could not be more clear that's the reason

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we're going to do an episode on that you may hear this and think that we're just the most evil

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people in the world you know if you don't hate us enough that you can listen to the future episode

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where we go into depth on it you can either really hate us or you can say well you know I don't

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like how that sounds but I got to think about it because they made some points it's funny every

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time somebody posts on Reddit or somewhere else about listening to this that's frequently the

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claim either I hate those guys but they made some really good points or I want to hate them but

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I can't because they made some really good points or I want to disagree with what they said but

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it all makes sense that's the reason that people are terrified of you listening to us we're not

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playing rhetorical games Corey and I could both run circles around people rhetorically we speak

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clearly precisely to avoid that it's easy to deceive someone it's hard to tell someone the truth

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especially in this day and age and so there are people who go around some of them have collars on

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who say the word deceivers well if saying the very words that God says the way that God intended

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is deception in your religion you know I'm not going to be in the same line as you on judgment day

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that's all I can say but to get back to the theme of this episode Christendom's ashes are not

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just cultural and are not just religious either because as we've said in past episodes you don't

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have to be Christian to live a godly life we've seen that for that past couple generations and

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that's precisely by people been deceived and to thinking you don't need Christianity to have

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a good life because they were coasting on the fumes of Christendom they were coasting on the fumes

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of morals and laws and society that was explicitly and openly and unapologetically Christian

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and when those supports God knocked out there were still some momentum left in the thing

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so you don't have to believe in God to do godly things but you cannot do godly things in the long

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term if you don't know where they come from because soon as somebody else comes along with a better

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idea or some new progressive solution for a problem you didn't even know you have eventually you're

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going to fall for it or your neighbor will fall for it and so you'll try it out because you don't

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you don't want to rock the boat and you will ultimately inevitably lose the godly things as every

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civilization in history did you know we mentioned at the beginning Greece and Rome and China

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they lost God after Bable and they were on the downslope which is why the cultures and societies

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collapsed Chinese art 3000 years ago is better than it was 2500 years ago and 2000 years ago there

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was a downslope and then it started to get better and it was for other reasons but

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they were coasting on the fumes of a religion that was no longer theirs and that's what we're

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doing today as the western world and we need to point to the truth underlying all the reasons that

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we do things otherwise we cannot possibly repair the damage let alone explain to people why things

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are going wrong in the first place the moral law is written in the heart of every man

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however we have run this experiment we know what happens if you have over a course of generations

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and it may be many generations or it may be only a few look at the sons of ham it did not take very

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long look at the sons of shaman japhith it took longer but eventually it may not be you you

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may not be the one who loses the moral law it may be your great great great great great great grand

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child or even farther into the distance however it will eventually be lost because you lost the

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actual foundation the actual truth you lost christendom you lost god's favor and you are running

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on the fumes and so it is only a matter of how long and how far you manage to make it but you are

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going to crash and that is what we want to restore we want to restore christendom because that is the

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only way to get out of the dive in which we find ourselves and so yes there may have been virtuous

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pagans because they had the moral law written in their heart but there will always be that competition

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against it because there's Satan out there who wants to steal that from you there's your neighbor

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who wants to try something new in novel or something a demon told him in the woods in the case for

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many pagans historically and eventually that will take over because you are not fighting against it

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and christians today we have the tools to fight against it we have god's word we have it everywhere

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I have it on my computer right now it's on my phone I have multiple bibles on my desk

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but if we don't read these things if we don't use them if we don't actually speak the words god

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has spoken to us then all of that does nothing for us we may as well have lost it in a wall in a

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rundown temple like the Jews did at one point god has given us his word we do not have the luxury

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or the option to ignore the things he has said and as said before to ala carte pick the bits we

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like and leave the rest everything god has said is true and good and we have to hold to every

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single word of it and that is quite simply our goal here our goal is to be true to scripture

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one because we are christians and that is our duty to because we have taken up the task of teachers

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and the stricter judgment does await and so no we are not going to lie or deceive or play

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rhetorical games we're not going to do that because we will be called to account for every

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idle word and we know that so we are going to speak the truth in the way god has spoken it to us

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in his word amen

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