The Timeline of Recriminations

0:37 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. I am Corey J. Mahler. And I'm Woe. If inside baseball drama sounds like it's not your cup of tea, you can stop listening right now. You won't miss out on anything because this is not an episode where we're really going to be referring to in the future. Uh there are a number of episodes that this is effectively a continuation of, kind of the culmination in some way. So we will link those in the show notes and we'll mention them as we go along. Uh one other warning as we get started. This episode is going to seem kind of rambling in content. The reason for that is that we're going to be doing everything in order. Uh we basically have assembled a timeline of events as they relate

1:18 to synods attacks on layman. And those are until you have the whole picture, it just kind of seems like, what does this have to do with each other? They're things that most of these things we knew as they were happening that they were happening. There are some things we didn't know at the time and then we subsequently discovered. So in this timeline as we deliver it, we're just going to tell you point by point everything that's happened. So as a result, it's probably gonna seem a little confusing until we get to the end. So if you want to know what has been happening to the four men who were on the turnip stream dealing with the large cataclysm, this is for the time being the most canonical source of

1:59 those things. Uh for Ryan's threads and some of the videos and some of the articles we're going to mention. The show notes are going to be very rich in terms of pointing to those resources. So we're not going to repeat a bunch of stuff that's been said elsewhere. If you have been following the story, we're we're not gonna bore you too much with with repeating those details because they're already well laid out. So we will incorporate those by reference as we go along. So again, feel free to just tune out right now if that's not something you have any interest in hearing. If on the other hand you want to hear what the synod has been doing and at the end we'll be talking briefly just about some things that we can do in response as laymen who

2:35 are are concerned about the state of these things. So to begin with, we're gonna zoom back to the middle of last year, nearly a year ago today. Before I mention the first item in this timeline, I want to point out that for those who may have the wrong understanding, have taken away the wrong implication from what Woe just said. This is inside baseball insofar as it involves what is happening to the church. This is not inside baseball specifically insofar as it pertains to what is happening to the LCMS, because it's the LCMS and the AALC, as you will see soon enough. Today, it will be your church tomorrow, or maybe it was your church ten years ago. This is something that Satan is doing to all of the churches.

3:22 So it's inside baseball for the church, not specifically for the LCMS. This is going to be largely for the LCMS because the two of us are Lutheran. So starting with June, the first of June of 2022, my pastor received a complaint letter from three other pastors, Eric Johnson, Ben Meyer, and Daniel Ross. The letter itself I scanned, it is available. It'll be linked to in the show notes. It's linked to on my website, it was linked to on Twitter as well. And this is sort of what kicked off some of this because the thrust of their complaint is that they didn't believe I was treating them appropriately on Twitter as they are pastors. The problem with their argument is that what I was doing was correcting their false doctrine because all three of these men These men

4:18 constantly spout false doctrine on Twitter. And it's a real problem that we have with pastors across the spectrum in various different denominations. But that's how this started out. And so they sent the complaint letter I met with my pastor and an elder, and nothing came of it. I talked to them, I was not placed under discipline, and that was the end of that. Which made, of course, these three men very unhappy, and undoubtedly also those who are over them in the church very unhappy. And so we'll move forward a month from there. This is part of what really got things going because this next event is the one that caused many of us to start looking more deeply into these matters, and that was the LCMS youth gathering

5:08 in Houston. That's the National Youth Gathering. And the reason that we started looking into this the date is the first of July. The reason we started looking into this is that the organization calling itself Lutherans for Racial Justice played an outsized role in this youth gathering. And so you have this Marxist organization agitating along racial lines and others, of course, you can go back and listen to our episode on Marxism and you'll understand what they were doing. But you have them taking over the youth gathering in the LCMS, and so they're Indoctrinating the next generation in Marxist thinking. That is exactly what they're doing because that is how Marxists work. It is a subversion of an existing institution.

5:56 And so we notice that is what is happening, and we have individuals who are involved in this, the will link to the the bios for the men who claim to have started this, but you have Nunez is one of them. You have I forgotten the name of the the pastor, you remember his name? I don't recall off the top of my head. I'll I'll link I'll link to it. But then you also have Zaltzberg, who is a literal pornographer from California, who is the the co-founder of this organization? And so we started digging from there. And this ties into other things. And you'll notice there are just tentacles throughout. Because that is how Satan works. That's how this worked. You have individuals who are in various places and start indoctrinating children here, start changing

6:47 curriculum there. And that is how we started looking into these issues more deeply. And if you're not familiar with the National Youth Gathering, it is a large production. To give you a sense of the scale, the LCMS spent nine million dollars on this thing. It was a third of the annual budget last year spent specifically on getting all the kids together for a week. And it's always been known as kind of the lib thing. It's always been an ultra lib youth event. So much so that there's actually a competing event called Higher Things that was set up without synod oversight to be a confessional competitor to it. Unfortunately, they have gone down the same path because they all live in the same world.

7:32 And so all these pastors, even when they're trying to be so called confessional, they're still adopting the world's frame on all these issues. So Lutherans for racial justice first popped up about four weeks after George Floyd's suicide, three years ago now. And so they are themselves an outgrowth of the Black Caucus within the Missouri Senate. So it's it's many of the same pastors in the Black Caucus. They rebranded some of their operations. They actually share some of the same legal entities. They're specifically now focusing on what they call racial justice inside the LCMS. And so the personnel ties are crucial because when we first started looking at it, you know, a year ago, we thought, wow, these racial agitators

8:19 are taking things over. As all of the things we're subsequently going to describe here unfolded, we realized in retrospect, Matt Harrison handed the reins to these racial agitators a year ago. Lutherans for Racial Justice has worked hand in hand with him. Now he's he's more conservative publicly than them, but it's a Motton Bailey play where L4RJ will go further and then the nice centrist guys can pretend, oh well, you know, we don't want to be like Kendi E ex Abram or whatever. We wanna be the conservatives. But then they keep saying exactly the same things. And oh, by the way, it's all targeted at white men like us who are saying, Hey, let's believe the Bible and that's probably gonna look exactly what like what it looked like a hundred and

9:02 fifty years ago. That is why the Missouri Senate is freaking out today about layman talking. when they have these nine million dollar budgets and then we say, oh, you know what? This looks like a pile of garbage. What are you doing? That interrupts their plans. I want to make sure that everyone has the names of those involved in this, and so I am going to go back over a handful of names here, just so people can start to sort of mentally map what is going on here. And New York is going to come up a an outsized number of times. And so we'll start with Eric Johnson. Eric Johnson is an SMP pastor in New York. I think he's still at Holy Trinity in Yonkers. I'm not exactly He's actually he's finishing him his M Div, so he's in St.

9:51 Louis now. He's not a pastor. Oh, is he? Okay. Okay, he's he's finishing that up. That's where he's what I don't go back there, but New York plays an outsized role in this. He was originally from New York. You can find his installation pictures and such. Daniel Ross is a pastor in Oklahoma, which for those who've been paying attention, you know that Ryan Turnipseed, also Oklahoma. And then there is Ben Meyer, who is a pastor in Ohio. And so you'll note that we have these disparate pastors who came together and wrote a letter against me. You're going to see this sort of collusion more and more as we go on from here. Before you go on, Ben Meyer is crucially important because he is best friends with Jordan Cooper.

10:37 Jordan Cooper is also AALC. Jordan Cooper has tangled with Corey in the past. Jordan Cooper, the AALC and Antifa have ties historically before we get to the things that have happened here. So when Ben Meyer shows up right off the bat coming after Corey, that is not disconnected from his close personal friendship with Jordan. And when I say close personal friendship, he named his kid after him. So they're longtime friends. Fine, whatever you can be friends with people. Unless it's Cory me, you're not allowed to be friends with us or you will go to hell. That's what the Missouri Senate has said. And we'll get into that. That's pretty much the thrust of most of this conversation, most of these details.

11:19 But everybody else gets to have friends as long as they're not us. And part of the Reason that Jordan Cooper hates me in particular, but a number of others as well. One he doesn't like to be challenged by anyone, and well unfortunately for him he routinely posts things that are just outright false. He's been called an open heretic by Kilcrease, who is a member of the CGCR. Despite the fact that the LCMS and the AELC are in alter and pulpit fellowship, we have the supposed chief theologian, one of the chief theologians of the LCMS calling the chief theologian of the ALC an open heretic. But And Kil Kilcrease did apologize on Facebook. He got he got slapped on the wrist for that. Yes, he did.

12:04 Past pastors can't say bad things about other pastors, but laymen are absolutely fair game. Yes. And so part of the reason, the another part of the reason that Jordan Cooper does not like me is that I helped defend Super Lutheran when he was being brought up basically for excommunication, for heresy charges more or less, by the AALC. And that was brought those charges were brought by Cooper. I did get them to admit that in the hearing. They didn't want to. This was again one of those not as bad as some of the struggle sessions have been since then with the LCMS, but it was a sort of struggle session in which it was very nebulous who was charging, but I did get the tribunal to force the prosecution to admit that bit.

12:56 So we do know that Jordan Cooper was the one who pushed for those charges. And again it's a very good idea he's since publicly denied that I believe he's publicly denied that as well. And he has. Despite the fact that there were half a dozen witnesses to that testimony from their side. Yes. the panel was seven men, there were two prosecutors, there was a recorder, and then there were three of us four at the on the other side, depending on what part of the so called trial. See there were plenty of men in the room who heard exactly what was going on. But yes, he's denied that. They haven't released the recording, and they probably never will, assuming they even kept the thing. But that's the the basic outline of this, and then the last

13:37 two men that I wanted to mention to make sure people have the names here. I mentioned Joshua Zaltzberg, who is the pornographer from Culver City, so from Southern California. And then Matthew Gonzales is a pastor in New York, the Bronx in this case, who is the other founder, the co founder of Lutherans for Racial Justice, at least insofar as they mention it. I mentioned Nunez already, John Nunez, he is a frequent speaker on various things Lutheran, supposedly, and he is also involved in this, although his involvement is not as explicitly mentioned on their website and their materials, but he constantly comments on these racial grievance issues. And so moving on from there to October, October nineteenth, still twenty

14:27 twenty two, obviously, we released the first episode of Stone Choir. That was of course our episode on headship, teaching and women in the church, and part of the reason that we addressed that issue, well, one, it's an important issue, and no one was really addressing it, and so it needs to be addressed, a constant theme on this podcast. But another part of it is that CPH had been and still is publishing theology written by women, some of it directed toward pastors. So we have women who are forbidden to speak in the church, forbidden to teach in the church, teaching pastors, and they try to get around this, of course, by saying, Well, they're not teaching in the church but go back and listen to the episode.

15:16 That's not what scripture says. And so part of the reason we did that episode was to push back against this creeping heresy. You have women teaching pastors. Not only are they teaching in the church, they're teaching the men who are supposed to be doing the teaching in the church. It's ep it's abhorrent, it's an abomination, and yet it's happening in a supposedly conservative Lutheran synod. And the timing is important because we we did that episode on the 19th of October. We had intended originally to begin Stone Choir on Reformation Day, just because it seemed like a suitable number for this. But when Mrs. Jonathan Lackey shipped her book through CPH in early to mid-October, this subject blew up and our group of friends was at the forefront

16:05 of that. And so this book is going to the the book that was part of the subject of the very first episode of Stone Choir comes up later on as one of the accusations against one of the men involved that he had spoken a ga out against her book. And so th there was lies told about him by his own pastor to his face in reference to the book that was at the beginning of this. So the reason we're laying all this groundwork before we get to the beginning of this year when the large catechism came out, which is the next thing, is that these pieces have been moving for a while, you know, including Jordan Cooper's hatred of Corey and of me personally. Jordan Cooper, when he doxed Super Lutheran, he thought that he was

16:46 doxing me. When he got him defrocked and expelled from his own church, he thought that Super Lutheran was me on Twitter. And so it was directly an attack against me because I'd been going after him. And while I wish that I had not been the precipitate for that attack, Jordan is evil. And so when I said he was evil and he responded with more evil, what are good men supposed to do in these situations? And that's fundamentally what all of this is about. What are good men supposed to do when their own pastors are being evil. We called it Stone Choir because all we can do is cry out. We don't have a vocation to be to be either cheerleaders or crossing guards. We're not hall monitors. We're laymen who know the Bible well enough to say that doesn't

17:37 sound like what God said. Let's go look. And so that'll be the recurring theme through all of this. Laymen say, hey, this doesn't look like scripture. And then pastors respond with malevolence, not disagreement, not well, that's your opinion. Not I think that we should do this a different way in the church. Absolute malevolence. That's the overarching theme of what goes on behind the scenes. So the reason for doing this episode today and laying out this somewhat convoluted timeline is that as we put all these pieces together, it will become more and more clear that the malevolence is the dominating factor of those who oppose us. We could be right or wrong. Like it's we're just two random guys.

18:19 Maybe we're full of crap, but everything that has been done to and against us is evil. It's plainly evil. And it's gotten so bad that even people who publicly disagree with us and don't like us. Some of them block us on Twitter. They think we're terrible people. They even admit that what the Senate has been doing is evil. And they don't know the half of this. They know some of the details, they don't know all of it. The reason we're doing this episode is to lay it all out. And so everyone will have the facts. You think what you're gonna think about it, but we're going to give you point by point every detail of what's happened. And I will go ahead and commit myself to producing a public version of this timeline.

18:58 Obviously, we're looking at our notes here, we have the timeline in front of us. I'll produce a public version of this that will be a little easier to follow. I don't know that it'll come out with the episode. It may take me a little longer than that to get it done because I do have to edit the episode after we record, but I will eventually get that done so people have something they can actually see and follow a little more clearly. And so from there we move on to the beginning of this year, and that is the twentieth of January, we received one of the earliest copies of the annotated large catechism, the large cataclysm, whichever term you want to use for this horrible thing. And so we started going through it.

19:42 Because that's what you do. When Synod publishes something that is very clearly meant to be a doctrinal standard, despite the fact that they will try to disclaim that. This is a doctrinal standard for the LCMS. Because pastors are not going to be allowed to publicly disagree with this, pastors are going to be pushed to use this in their congregations, pastors are going to use this to teach their congregants, this is the doctrine of the LCMS. This is what Matt Harrison and the CTCR and various others are pushing into the pulpits and into the congregations, and therefore into your homes. And so we started reading through this collection of essays, and we found Marxism throughout the entire thing.

20:31 We found racial grievances, we found minimization of pedophilia, really apology for pedophilia. We found all sorts of the sorts of problems that you would expect from say a large university or a large corporation with a big program, a big die program, diversity, inclusion, and equity. That's what we found in these essays. And so we started critiquing them. We started going through and pointing out the problems, and it of course took a little while because this is a fairly substantial book. It takes a while to go through and read these things, however, it is abundantly clear on the face of many of these essays what they are and that they do not belong in this book. Not only because of the content, you don't even need to get

21:24 to the content in some cases. You can look at the names of the authors. There are men who are decidedly not Orthodox Lutheran, there are men who are heretics, right Writing for this. There are essays written by Elka in this thing. And they're essays written by girls, which was the very first thing that we dealt with. And I think one of the tricks has been played by the other side is that they will say, oh, well, they're just essays. It's just it's a it's a modern contemporary commentary on these issues. Those aren't doctrinally blinding. A month later, Matt Harrison proved what a lie that was by something that he put out where he where he cited the small catechism that he had published in 2017 with exactly the same kind

22:07 of annotations. Matt Harrison, the false prophet, added new doctrine to the small catechism in 2017, and then this year, he said that we're going to hell for disagreeing with his false doctrine. It's nothing in the small catechism. It's new annotations. So once again, this is the game that they play. they don't have the guts to actually tamper with our confessional documents, but what do they do? They do the equivalent of a presidential signing statement where they reinterpret it in a modern way and then they hold you to their modern interpretation. And if what you say about what Lutherans have held for 500 years is contradictory to the modern interpretation in their comments in their essays, they say you're going to hell and they excommunicate you.

22:55 And that's precisely what's happened in this circumstance. And so partly in response to this, in fact, the same day, I read somewhat quickly, so I got through a lot of the book, I posted two tweets, and I'll just go ahead and read those two tweets. We'll link to them in the show notes as well. I the first one, the entire LCMS leadership is apostate or derelict. They must all be removed and forever barred, no exceptions. And that was directly a response to the large catechism. Yes, I also had other things in mind. I obviously remember what Matt Harrison had written at the time of George Floyd's suicide, and that is still up to the great shame of every single pastor in the LCMS that has not been removed

23:41 from the LCMS website. For those who haven't read it, I'll link it in the show notes, but it also one of the salients that it advances is that racism is the original sin of America. Which of course that's just rank heresy. But the second tweet that I put out was these interlopers and subverters will be removed. These men, in single quotes, have no claim to the historical Lutheran Church, and they have no connection to the men who came before them. As for me and many others, we will continue attending Opa's church, and of course I'm referencing CFW Valter there, who wrote on many of these issues that have become so controversial in our times and in fact sides with us, as do all of the historical

24:29 divines of the Lutheran Church, because the the men who are currently in charge of the LCMS are not Lutheran. They're not even Christian. Those two particular tweets are crucial because although you provided no context at the time, you were already reading the large cataclysm. You said these things. The next day, the next thing we we're gonna talk about is Ryan Turnerseed's initial thread about this that went very viral. Uh at the time it had over a quarter million views just on Twitter and a lot more on other websites. These comments from Corey have been used in private, in secret, misconstrued as accusations against us and against other men, making utterly false claims about what he said.

25:13 So those comments were one of the very first things that Corey said that were directly used to try to destroy the four men involved in what happens next. And as you mentioned the the part that happens next that really kicks off the annotated large catechism controversy is Ryan's thread, because that of course gains considerable traction. And that was posted on Saturday, that is the twenty first of January, and we'll link to that for those who have not gone through and read it or need a refresher. And it just pulls out some of the more egregious bits of what is contained in that annotated large catechism. Some of the worst parts of the Marxist thinking, the false doctrine, things like that. We could have made the thread twenty times as long quite easily.

26:05 I could go through and critique that volume of essays and it would take me weeks worth of podcast episodes at four hours a pop, it is an endless source of false doctrine, and that is why we went as hard as we did against it because it is full of false doctrine and it is clearly intended to become the standard for the LCMS. If this particular collection of essays is permitted to stand, the LCMS is no longer a Christian body. That is what is at stake here. One of the most damning things in the thread in the large cataclysm is the minimization of what really is called pedophilia. It really shouldn't be. Pedophilia is basically a derivation of the Greek word for boy lover. There's nothing loving about that.

27:00 What we're talking about is child rape. That's an upsetting thing to say because it's a deeply upsetting and disconcerting thing to think about. The idea that children could be raped by adults is should be unthinkable. It shouldn't even be able to be something that someone could contemplate, let alone have it exist in the world. And yet, we know that there are these so called pedophiles. There are these child rapists. And they're everywhere. We more and more in the in the political sphere we find out, oh, turns out that guy was what we call a pedo. He was a child rapist. This is gonna come up towards the end of this because the single most damning screenshot from all of this was the one where

27:44 the essay by a girl in the sixth commandment portion talking about adultery Classified pedophilia as a sexual orientation. Put it in the same sentence as polyamory, somehow. Like how how did polyamory come up? And yet what was what the Missouri Synod said in this girl's voice is a pedophilia, the ch the rape of children is a speck in your neighbor's eye. Now, for some reason they didn't the fifth commandment one about murder. You know if if your next door neighbor is murdering people, if he's a serial killer, it would not occur to you as a Christian to think, huh, well, you know, he's he's killing and eating people, you know, it's Jeffrey Dahmer and so he's he's doing these really bad things, but I got a lot of sin in my

28:31 heart too. I can't judge him. That's not a Christian response. Not by a million miles. Part of the reason that we did the episode on the fact that there are different degrees of sin is that this antinomian view that all sins are equal, man? Sure, they might be raping kids, but you looked at a girl in the Mikini once, it's all the same. That is a demonic lie from the pit of hell. Yes, both are sins. Yes, are both damning. Because damnation is binary. There's no well, maybe you don't go to hell for that. Without Christ's sacrifice on the cross, you go to hell for every single sin, or any individual sin, including the fact that you were born with original sin. So the idea that a sin is different in degree or different

29:19 in weight It's plainly understood by every Christian. It's a reason that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by while the other towns around them were not destroyed. The other towns had sinners. They did not have sinners who were committing sodomy and rape. God hates hates that and he destroys it and he commands it to be destroyed. And so when that was made public, it rightly pissed off a lot of people, especially a lot of mothers in the LCMS. Mothers tend to take personally when someone says, you know, maybe raping kids isn't so bad. Dads do too, but mothers in particular, when you come after their kids, you're playing with fire. And so this rightly incensed people. And lately, just in the last two weeks, most of the attacks

30:06 against us against Stone Choir are in defense of pedophilia. So we'll get to that towards the end, but I just want you to remember that one salient fact because throughout all of this, the reason that laymen are facing these dire consequences, this persecution, this murder in our own church is because layman said, hey, maybe child rape is something where we don't just paper it over and say, yeah, man, that's sin. It's really it's a it's a good thing Jesus died for them too. Let's go share the gospel. That's not where you begin with some when someone's raping children. So I've said that term repeatedly. It's disgusting. And the fact that we have pastors trying to defend it and saying, well, what about the child rapists?

30:49 We need to reach out to them with the gospel. Yeah. You can do that in the electric chair. Tell them about God and flip the switch. That is the only thing that the state should be doing with these men. They should not be permitted to live. And for me to say that is a political position, you may You may say, well, no, we do something else with them. The only concern for many of the pastors involved in this is we're not sharing the gospel enough. We're not focused enough on the gospel with child drapeists. What I have to say in response to that is not fit for this podcast. I'm actually going to link to I think for the first time in this podcast in the show notes a specific Supreme Court case.

31:33 I'm going to link to the Supreme Court case that struck down the use of the death penalty for child rapists. And I am not going to recommend, I may put a little disclaimer on it even, I'm not going to recommend that most of you read the fact pattern for it. But some of you, and you'll know who you are, should read through that. So you can have some idea of how truly wicked some men are, and our courts are, and therefore our country is, and our synod is becoming the church is becoming. It's all of one piece. But moving on, Matt Harrison posts on the following Monday, the twenty third of January. He posts on Facebook basically responding to some of this controversy and really he botches it not necessarily as badly here as later on,

32:36 but we do eventually actually get them to halt the distribution of the large catechism in response to some of what we What we brought to light. But of course it was cynical because it was resumed shortly afterward. It wasn't even delayed very long. I believe this is when it was delayed. It was delayed on the twenty third. It was because it it was we we got the notice that it was going to be that sales were going to be halted shortly before we began the the turn upstream. Yes, it was a it was a quick response on their part specifically, because the one thing that Matt Harrison and many in the LCMS leadership hate is bad press. It's almost like dealing with Asian politicians like Chinese or to a

33:29 lesser degree, but still Japanese politicians, where saving face is the biggest thing, and that carries over to their corporate culture as well. But they're almost behaving in that manner where if they get bad press, that is the thing that gets them to respond. Of course, they're animated by Satan ultimately because we see that with the doctrines they are attempting to push through in into pulpits and congregations, but it's the bad press that really gets them to act because they're acting in self-interest. And so as you mentioned, we then do the the turnip stream, which is when we went on Ryan Turnipseed's YouTube channel and discussed some of these passages from the annotated large catechism and why they

34:16 are false doctrine, why they are a problem, what exactly it is they are pushing into the churches. And that was a three hour stream that involved four men. It involved Corey, me, Ryan, and a friend of ours who goes by the name of Ash. That stream, the two days after the thread is the kickoff for everything that's happened since. And it's now been put in writing in public that the synod admits that all the retaliation, all the doxing, all the threats, all the excommunication are in direct retaliation for the layman participating in that stream particular. So the 23rd of January is functionally the beginning of this story. Everything we've said thus far, you know, with the exception of the large clataclysm being published in the first place, this is the moment

35:07 when all of this began. And notably, it's about three months after Stone Choir started, so we started really because we felt that our hand was forced by how bad things were getting after the national youth gathering and then after the Mrs. Molly Lackey book, we felt we had no choice. We had to begin doing this. We decided to do it before Lackey's book, but the timing forced it and everything that's happened since then has confirmed to us that we were right to begin this and that Satan is soiling his britches as a result of us doing this. I never in my life have I've seen a nobody podcast. Two guys no one knows anything about, nobody cares about, other than you know, some people hate us, a few people like us.

35:51 We had no marketing budget. Like it's it's a nothing podcast. And yet the volume of hatred and terror coming from men who are advocating pedophilia normalization, that's the story here. That is the real story. It's not about us. It's not about people picking on us or saying mean things. It's about the fact that when two laymen will actually begin to say, hey, this is not what the Bible says. Our churches are doing something wrong. The entire edifice of the LCMS began to crumble. We didn't do that. All we did was shine a light on what's happening and the hysterics and the opprobrium and the devilish actions that have followed since then make it crystal clear to any Christian that we are on the right track.

36:40 Not to say that we're completely without sin or everything we ever do is is sanctified, but the fact that we are doing this has caused such evil in response. And we're gonna go into the details of some of the evil, many of which many of th those details are not have not been known previous to this podcast today. So we knew as all these things were happening that they were happening, we were talking amongst our friends, and initially, you know, like as as we're living these moments day by day, we're trying to wrap our heads around it. Like what is going on? You know, initially we were I want to say we were shocked by how bad the large cataclysm was, but it was certainly Certainly stark that Harrison would push things so far left so publicly.

37:26 That's risky on his part. And the risk was made clear by the response to the turnip stream, to the thread and everything that happened after that. As Corey said, Harrison doesn't want anyone to say anything bad about him ever. When Terminaten died and the the other guy took over Christian News, Harrison called him on the phone and said he was gonna hold him personally accountable for if he ever used Matt Harrison's name in vain. And because that man was a pastor, he was bound by it. Because Harrison has corporate control over pastors. Who doesn't Harrison control? He doesn't control layman. Corey and I have no relationship to Matt Harrison whatsoever. He's some guy in St. Louis, he's controlling a church that we're members of, and he's doing

38:11 evil things. That makes this our business and it makes this our problem. As Corey said at the beginning, all this stuff is playing out in other churches too. And many it's already happened and some the LCMS is now further down this path of absolute abject destruction. We're not gonna take it silently. So that's why we're here to talk about what is happening. And you know, if we were just shouting into the void and no one was listening and nobody cared, Synod would have ignored us. If no one heard what we were saying it we wouldn't matter. And honestly, that's kind of what I expected. I expected as we built up this library of episodes, a few people at year and you know maybe m later on someone would

38:49 stumble across it. I never expected that we would be at the center of what is bringing down Matt Harrison's evil administration. And yet here we are. This is what God is using us for, and I thank him for it. And I thank him for every amount of hatred poured out by all these pastors because it proves that everything that we're describing to you is true and correct and it is in service to God. And so part of our response to what we've just described was the episode Here we Stand, which we published on the 25th of January. And in that episode we pointed out that we aren't going anywhere. We are Lutherans and we are going to remain Lutherans because we actually take our conversation oath seriously.

39:32 The confirmation oath for those who are unfamiliar with the Lutheran rite of confirmation is do you intend to continue steadfast in this confession and church and to suffer all, even death, rather than fall away from it. And so every single confirmed Lutheran has said yes to that. Every Lutheran has publicly stated that his position is that he will suffer all even death before falling away from the Lutheran confession in the Lutheran Church? We took that seriously, we take that seriously. And so we aren't going anywhere we're going to remain Lutheran. We made that point very clear in that episode. One of the reasons that we did that episode was that a lot of people were asking us in the wake of the large

40:16 cataclysm, why are you guys staying in this church body? Why don't you leave? In fact, that's something that's been asked to us personally directly. Everyone involved in that stream were told by their pastors, why don't you guys just leave if you don't like it? Why don't you just disavow the vow that you took to God and before God to remain steadfast in the Lutheran church. Lutheran pastors saying, you guys should just leave, just go away. Even knowing that according to Lutheran doctrine, the word is not properly preached and the sacraments are not properly administered in other denominations, these pastors would basically send us through the wolves and say, you guys should leave. You should go somewhere else.

40:55 I think that's stark. I think we are a pastor and someone has doctrinal concerns. If your knee-jerk response is why don't you just go somewhere else? I would submit to you that you're not a shepherd. That you're you're basically a spiritual assassin. And some of the men who said that weren't actually evil men, but and it was it was an honest inquisition, but we we did the episode specifically to say where else can we go? This is sound doctrine that's being attacked from within the church. It's not that the church doesn't hold true doctrine, is that those in the church attempting to subvert it are destroying the doctrine that we hold to. So we're not going to go somewhere else when other places don't

41:36 hold to sound doctrine in the first place. We're going to fight for our church where that doctrine should be preserved because we know through time it has been. And if God is with us, it will be here. That was exactly what I was going to point out. We're not going to go anywhere because the Lutheran Church has the most correct doctrine and our confirmation oath binds our consciences. We are going to remain Lutheran to the end, regardless of what may happen to the institutional Lutheran Church in the interim And so following on, we have the first meeting of Ash with his pastor. It was a meeting in like passing in the Narthex sense. So Ash told his pastor that he had been involved in the large cataclysm, specifically the the thread and the video stream.

42:23 He wanted to let him know that he expected there would be some pushback and he didn't want his pastor to be blindsided by his online activities and his he offered to give him his Twitter and his pastor's like I'm not interested. In fact his I believe his pastor and elders said we've got your back effectively. And Ryan Turnipseed, I don't remember the date, but he had a almost verbatim conversation with his own pastor. His pastor is even more disinterested. And so immediately after doing the stream, two of the men said, Hey, to their pastors, there might be some blowback. I want you to know what I'm doing. I did it in but good conscience. If you have questions, pastors like we don't want to know, we

43:02 have no questions. You're our parishioner, whatever. do what you're gonna do. So the pastors were completely disinterested in the idea of layman speaking to doctrine online. They had no pastoral concern about though whatsoever. And that's going to come up later. This is probably a good place to point out. I'm not going to mention all the times that I have met with or talked to my pastor because that would be ridiculous. I've had coffee with him, I've been over to his house, etc. And so all throughout this, my pastor was made aware of my online activity and all of these various things. So none of this was a blind side for him. He was not taken unawares by these things. And so I don't want to give that impression by not listing

43:48 all of the times that I have talked to him. As I said, I've had coffee with him a number of times, been over to his house, etc., so just bear that in mind. I'm not going to list them all here because it would be silly. But moving on from there, the next salient episode of this podcast is The Enemy's Playbook, and that was published on the first of February. That is the one where basically we went over how Marxists subvert institutions, how they take over organizations, just how these things work. We went over Satan's playbook, and those who are paying attention, you will see exactly that happening in this timeline of events because the LCMS leadership and others are following Satan's playbook.

44:41 Because they are serving Satan. They're just following their master's playbook. And so if you don't remember that podcast, don't remember the content of that one, maybe go back and listen to that one after this one, and you will see exactly Exactly that playbook being put into action in this timeline. The salient fact from that is basically one line. Alinsky's rules for radicals is Satan's playbook, and Alinsky 13 says verbatim, pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it, cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions. People hurt faster than institutions. Everything that has happened subsequent to the exposure of the pedophilia advocacy

45:36 in the large cataclysm is specifically focused primarily around Corey because he is not pseudonymous. So he was the easiest, most prominent target. I am equally targeted, but because my name was not known at the time to synod, they couldn't come after me personally, so they have very closely and very assiduously followed Olinsky Rule 13. They pick Corey completely isolated him, made him persona non-grata. That was a very deliberate, very conscious, very satanic act by Synod. And we knew it was coming. We didn't know to what degree. We didn't know what the details were going to be. But the reason that the very next episode we did was about Alinsky's rules, because we knew we were dealing with satanic men.

46:20 We knew based on the content of the large cataclysm itself that we were dealing with demons, we were not dealing with Christians, we were not dealing with disputes about doctrine and you know, maybe it could go either way. We were dealing with Satan himself. And everything that's happened since then has confirmed that we were absolutely correct. So if you go back and listen to that episode, and it's worth listening to, particularly in light of the context of this episode and the subs in all of these events, you can clearly see that it seems prophetic. Like all the stuff we talked about happened, and it wasn't we're brilliant and it wasn't we have some sort of vision. It's Satan's playbook. We knew we were up against Satan, so he he just did

46:58 what he always does. To flesh out your comments about why they targeted me, part of it, yes, is that I'm very public. My accounts are all my name, my website is my name, my profile picture is my literal profile picture. You and Ash are pseudonymous, you are much more difficult for them to target, although Synod, of course, knows who both of you are, but outright doxing you in order to pursue you makes them look worse, so we know they have your dox, they've held back because probably because attorneys got involved, not because they were necessarily bright enough to figure out strategically what they should or shouldn't do, but attorneys may have mentioned to them that there is potential liability here.

47:41 And of course in the case of Ryan who is again, as I am, not pseudonymous, well it looks bad when you're targeting someone as young as Ryan. And so they they didn't like the optics of that. And of course there are more inflammatory things that I've posted and so it makes it easier to target me. I knew that. I know that every time I post. And so that's why they've gone after me. Unfortunately for them, I don't really care, and I'm not a good person to target because I will hit back. But moving on from that episode, the enemy's playbook to the resumption of the distribution of the large cataclysm, the pedochism, whatever we want to call it, literally the next day, the second of February. And Harrison resumed it.

48:27 And as part of that resumption, he said that he deplored the unchristian attacks against the annotated large catechism and its authors. And so he doubled down. He is now he was before, but he is now 100% responsible for the content and has stamped it with his stamp of approval multiple times. We have been able to confirm that this collection of essays not only went through CTCR, which is the standard process for anything that is doctrinal and published by CPH. It has to go through a review process, but it went through the review process with the CTCR, CPH's review process, and Harrison's office. This is 100% stamped and approved by the LCMS leadership top to bottom. And that includes the VPs.

49:22 He reiterated that when he re-introduced the publication, when he said, I deplore the unchristian attacks, he also commended it to every Lutheran to every Christian. You should read this, you're gonna love it. All this stuff about pedophilia, it's it's great, you're gonna love it all. So the large, the annotated, large catechism is the official doctrinal position of the LCMS. Regardless of any comments they have made to the contrary, it has been approved by Matt Harrison, it has been approved by the CTCR, it has been approved by members of the seminaries. I think it has by CTS as well, not just Saint Louis. Well yeah, Rast, Larry Rast, the president. Right. Yes. Rast is president of the Four Wayne Seminary.

50:06 He's also I I believe he's the present pro tem of CTCR. He was directly and personally involved. And we're not going to get the specific details of his personal life, but suffice it to say that these changes in doctrine surrounding sexuality that are pushed in the large cataclysm are in many cases self defense of Matt Harrison's personal friends, whose own families have fallen into sexual sin that needs to be papered over. So it's not simply that they're changing doctrine to be more worldly, is that they're changing doctrine because their own family and friends have fallen into sin, to demonic possession and depravity. And they're trying to cover for them. They're trying to say, well, let's just have a lot of love

50:52 for this. We don't want any law. We might scare people away with the law. So the personnel involved, while we're not going to mention them here specifically, it's not a coincidence that many of these things are present. The men involved knew who they were providing cover for when they said these things. The same with regard to Harrison and his family and some of the comments in the small catechism previous to the re released large catechism. There's a lot of mercenary actions going on in all of this. But after the resumption of the distribution of the annotated large catechism, we'll take a sort of detour here to briefly mention something that is tangentially related and becomes more relevant actually by the day.

51:40 But on the seventh of February, Chris Rosebro, who goes by Pirate Christian on various social media platforms. He has a discernment ministry so called. He is also an online pastor who consecrates the sacrament, as much as it pains me even to say those words in that order, who supposedly consecrates the sacrament over the internet. But he registers a website called Operation Valkyrie. Do not visit that website. If you want to look at any of the articles, make sure to use an archive link. You can find those various places. They've been shared on Twitter by various individuals who are mutuals with us. Do not go there directly, it will dox you. If you're not worried about that, then I guess that's on you.

52:31 But at any rate, this is an operation that he is conducting with his son. I don't know for absolute certainty that he registered it, it may have been someone close to him. But at any rate, Rosebro controls this, and his son is one of the authors on this site. What's notable about the date is that when this was registered on February seventh, we had no idea. Because he didn't do anything with it for a couple months. So this is one of the few elements of this timeline where as we plug it back in retroactively, once we discovered it, a whole lot of things downstream click. So at the time we didn't know because he wasn't using this blog to come after us. Subsequently he said sometime I think like beginning of April roughly that

53:16 he had been doing this operation for a couple months specifically coming after us. So the relevance of him registering Operation Valkyrie on February 7th is that he was doing things behind the scenes in secret, targeting Stone Choir. And the big reveal was a couple months later. And it's very clearly his own blog. He has yet to take credit for it personally and publicly, but he's the only one who's boosted it. He's the first one who boosts it has his fingerprints all over it. He's writing for it. Chris is, his son is Josh, and uh probably a couple other pastors are writing for it as well. His friends, so it's it's their blog that was literally stood up to attack Stonequire, to attack layman and another Senate, 'cause we're LCMS,

54:03 he's AALC, but that's part of the reason we told the story about Jordan and these these AALC connections that go back for years. So So we didn't know at the time that this had occurred, but later on it becomes very relevant. And so basically he's just publishing articles attempting to rebut things that we've said. They aren't worth reading. If you want to laugh, I guess go read them, but the more salient thing here is that the name they chose really reveals a lot about them. Those who are familiar with World War II will perhaps recognize Operation Valkyrie. It actually has multiple senses in that context. It was the name of the continuity of government operation for the Third Reich, but it was also the name of the July twentieth

54:50 Plot, which was an attempt to assassinate Adolf Hitler and overthrow the Third Reich government by a coup d'etat. And so you've probably seen the picture. There was the use of an explosive to completely level a conference room, but Hitler was saved by the particularly thick table leg, and so he just had damage to his eardrums and such, but he survived. But the reason it's relevant here is because that is how these gentlemen see themselves. They believe that they're part of some sort of resistance movement attempting to overthrow I don't know, apparently I'm an evil dictator, despite the fact that I don't control anything other than my own garden. But apparently their goal is to destroy evil as they see it,

55:42 and I am that evil And so is woe, and so is anyone who is objected to these materials. It's much more explicit than that. They celebrate murdering Nazis. And then, oh, by the way, separately they say that we are Nazis. So at least once a week you'll see multiple pastors on Twitter joking about murdering Nazis, celebrating murdering Nazis, saying that murdering Nazis is basically one of the highest forms of a good work that any Christian can do. And then the same day or the next day they'll say Corey is a Nazi, I am a Nazi, our friends are Nazis. Anyone who believes what we believe about X, Y, and Z are Nazis. The connection between we're gonna murder Nazis and these laymen are Nazis cannot be dismissed.

56:32 They're just taking a page out of the playbook of the left. The left has been doing this for years where anyone who is right of ex arbitrary individual or position is a Nazi because that is the level of political discourse in the modern West West, that if you're to the right of this arbitrary position, you're a Nazi and it is always good to murder Nazis. In fact, you can't murder a Nazi, you can only kill him, if they were smart enough to actually distinguish those terms. But that's what's happening here. They're just adopting that playbook, that page from the playbook of the left, because again, same master. But here is an interesting part. Three days later, so note that Rosebros starts his little Operation Valkyrie

57:17 thing on the seventh. Three days later on the tenth, Antifa poses my summary of, I guess, my bio and a dox attempt on me. Some of the information is doxing, a lot of the information is already public. But it's not the point that the information in some cases already public. The point is the goal of what is being done here. This is the isolation freeze targeting. This is the Alinskyite tactics that you see in action here. And pastors are some of the first ones to pick up and run with this. There are pastors who follow this account on Twitter, there are pastors who promote this stuff, there are pastors who share this information, and this becomes sort of a proxy, an excuse for some of the things that

58:09 happen with my pastor, former pastor, and congregation, and that will then continue to happen to others. They haven't doxed anyone else yet, but that does not mean that they will not do so. Notably, this is the same tactic that was employed against Super Lutheran, and in that case, they actually tagged Jordan Cooper at the end of that thread, tacitly acknowledging his links to antifa groups. And there were things that happened specifically to Super with personal information that could not have come from outside the AELC. And that's the case as well with what's in the Makira action docs of Corey. When they list several of my previous Twitter accounts, previous pseudonyms, there's no way that my current account could be tied to those in

59:01 a way that Antifa would have had access. Because Antifa was clearly not following me for years, not this group of Antifa. Others have. But this particular group, which is primarily based out of Portland with direct connections to Italy somehow, uh maybe they're crypto fascists, that'd be exciting. They specifically include details that could only have possibly come from Lutheran pastors. And the blog that they're using, to be explicit, the the URL that the Makaira Action blog is on, the only possible way you can have a blog on that is if you are vetted in and by Antifa. There's no other possible way. So it's not, we're not talking about Blog Spot. It's a specific Antifa hosting company with Antifa DNS.

59:48 Everything about it is 100% vetted Antifa. And the information on it came in part from Lutheran pastors. And so when two months later, Crisp said, I've been working on this operation for months, and he sets up his domain before Makira Action drops their docs on Corey and one of his uh friends at his church. that's speculative, that's circumstantial, but in full view of everything else, there's no doubt in my mind that the two are directly linked. I would agree completely. Because we've seen this before, we've seen it play out. We've seen this connection between Antifa and individuals, supposedly in the Lutheran Church, who have the explicit goal of moving the Lutheran Church to the left, of basically turning the LCMS and insofar as it's not

1:00:43 already there, the AALC, into just another ELK. And so the follow-on from this docs, as I said it was going to be used as an excuse, and here's the use of it as an excuse on the following Sunday, two days later, the twelfth, my pastor comes up to me after I believe he told me before the service, very briefly mentioned it as I walked in, and then I talked to him afterward because we had a potluck after the service, so I talked to him then. He told me there was going to be a meeting, an elders meeting, and I was to attend it, and that was on the following day on Monday. So I provided him with some links to make sure that he was well informed what was going on. I linked to the Antifa dox notably through an archive so that

1:01:37 it would not dox him and some of the stone choir materials and things so that he would be ready for this meeting and have a better idea of what was going on. Whether or not he read those, I don't know. I suspect that many of those who were present at the meeting did not read those. And so Monday, the next day, the elders' meeting took place. Now, of course, I was not informed of the nature of the meeting, I was just told there was going to be a meeting I needed to be present. I wasn't told who was going to be present, what the subject was, I wasn't provided any information. But anyway, I show up to this meeting, and before we get to the meeting itself, just as an interesting aside, something that is worth noting, and for those who pay close attention

1:02:27 to these things in life, this is salient. The day before the front door of the church broke, and so everyone who attended this meeting had to enter through a small door on the back of the church building that's practically hidden by bushes. Honestly, I don't think I even knew it was there before this meeting. But after entering through this narrow little hallway on the back side of the church, I went to the the meeting room where we usually have Bible studies and such. And as it turns out, it was actually the elder board, Pastor Graves, who is the circuit visitor for for Mid South, Pastor Manham, my former pastor, and it was not a meeting, because a meeting is a coming together of various individuals for the discussion of certain

1:03:16 subjects, that is just the definition of a meeting. There was no discussion. I had no chance to respond to anything. There was simply a reading of charges against me by Pastor Manham, and then I was told to leave. I was not even provided with a copy of the charges. I asked for that. One of the other pastors in attendance notably did stage a very ineffectual, but I will give him credit where credit is due. He did say that I should have been provided with something and that it wasn't entirely appropriate. He was very quickly shut down by Graves, who is the circuit visitor, who is directly connected to Senate, who is one of the individuals who is very clearly pushing this. I don't know if it came to him directly from Senate or

1:04:04 if it came through the district president. Most likely it came through the district president, who is Pavla. You may notice that name, his son is on Twitter and active and posts things that are in keeping with the other pastors we've mentioned so far. But that is essentially where I was told that very clearly their goal was going to be to excommunicate me. They didn't explicitly say it at the time, because they didn't really tell me anything other than the reading of the charges and then telling me to leave the property. It's worth noting with regard to hierarchy for anyone who's not familiar with even in the LCMS, I think a lot of people don't know this. The LCMS has a president. Beneath the president are district presidents.

1:04:49 I think they're like thirty-one of them roughly, if I remember correctly. And then within the districts, those are divided into circuits. And so the lowest form of hierarchy in the Missouri Synod is the circuit visitor. It's a pastor who doesn't directly have authority, but he kind of has supervisory duties. And so the presence of a circuit visitor at any of these meetings implicitly involves synod hierarchy, which was also explicit in this case and in the other cases. But it's worth noting that when we say circuit visitor or circuit pastor, we're talking about someone who is there as a representative of LCMS corporate. It's not just a pastor, it's not just another witness. It is a man who is an agent of the LCMS corporation.

1:05:37 So we're dealing with synod officials acting in their official capacity as Synod agents. And so after this meeting, I texted Pastor Manham as a sort of follow-up, and I stated that I had three requests. I again renewed my request for a copy of the charging document, as it is simply in keeping with good order to actually give the accused a copy of the document with the charges. Second Second, I asked him if he had an intent to get a restraining order against me as it was made fairly clear in the meeting that I was not particularly welcome at the church, particularly by one of the elders it was made very clear. And then the third request was a review of the charge because they did have a charge about Jordan Cooper and my comments about

1:06:27 Jordan Cooper on social media. I asked for a review of that in light of the fact that Kilcrease had called Jordan Cooper an open heretic, because if one of the chief supposed theologians of the LCMS is calling a man an open heretic, I as a layman can hardly be faulted for saying the exact same thing. And Kilcrease's name is really important because he is one of the principal architects of the large cataclysm. He is on the CTCR. He was one of the men most directly involved with it, along with John Pless, who's very good old friends with Matt Harrison. In the immediate aftermath of the turnip stream and turnip seeds thread on Twitter, Jack Kilcrease lost his mind on Facebook. He began spreading insane slander about us, and he specifically said on

1:07:20 Facebook that as soon as Matt got back from his Maui vacation that we ruined, he was going to get to and make sure that he understood that these men who were opposed to the patechism were n in fact Nazis. And that's precisely what Matt reiterated when he re-released the large cataclysm and he described the unchristian conduct by those men. That was the aftermath of Kilcrease getting to him. Now, that's important because Kilcrease's wife follows Antifa's blog. They follow Makira action, as well as Peter Slayton, who's the LCMS social media manager. Now, interesting thing about Slayton's following is far as we can tell, based on the timing, Slayton was already following Makira action on Twitter

1:08:08 before they dropped any ducks. Which is interesting because that blog and that account were literally set up for the purpose of doxing Corey. There'd never been any activity previously. The first thing that they did was to dox Corey. No one ever heard of him before until they showed up. By all accounts, it appears that Peter Sladen had prior knowledge that Makira Action was going to be doing this, which is relevant because he's an LCMS employee. Killcrease is an employee. Killcrees is part of CTCR, but as far as I know, I don't think he's remunerated for that. Slayton is salaried. He's paid a lot of money. And he has had an ax to grind against Corey for years. In fact, the the Book of Concord disaster that Corey can link

1:08:52 in the show notes as well. Joshua Scheer and Peter Slate were two of the men instrumental in removing the Book of Concord from the internet because they hated Corey so much. In secret, those men spread slander and lies about Corey, destroying his reputation, so that they could try to steal the work that he had done with Paul McCain's Sr.'s approval to redesign the Book of Concord website. So the fact that Sladen, who hates Corey, who's been destroying his reputation for years, would be one of the very first people following the Antifa Twitter account and the Bethany Kilcrease would follow right in his wake, is very telling. And see, this is circumstantial evidence, but the more of this stuff

1:09:39 that piles up, the more clear it is that the LCMS, ALC, and Antifa have all been colluding since the very beginning of all of this in response to the large cataclysm and layman pushing against it. I guess we should probably point out at some point that Makira is Greek for slaughter knife. Something that those who have not read some of the materials surrounding this will not know, so it's very clear what the sort of mindset and intent of those doing these things. Well, what their mindset is. But moving on from there, the very next day, that Tuesday the fourteenth, a friend of mine at the Congregation, who has now also left that congregation, was interrogated for nearly four hours by Pastor Manham,

1:10:29 by the elders, and by Pastor Graves, the circuit visitor. Basically he was interrogated for being my friend because we would go out and get beers after the service, we sat next to each other in the congregation, in the sanctuary, and so he was placed under the lesser ban, essentially for associating with me. Because he wasn't given any charges. He was actually given a chance to defend himself, whereas I was not even given the chance to speak, except insofar as I did comment as I was packing up my things to leave, of course. But he was placed under the lesser ban because of his association with me, and that is a theme that we see throughout all of this. It is guilt by association. Now drawing out something about a man by virtue of those with whom

1:11:22 he spends his time is one thing, and you can do that to some degree. But you cannot place someone under the lesser ban because he has a friend with whom you disagree. The lesser ban means he's barred from communion. Means Andy was not allowed to commune in that congregation anymore, which itself is an explicit statement that you are in a state of open unrepentant sin. Effectively, you are going to hell unless you repent for what we're charging you for. What did they charge him with? No sin of his own. They when the the three and a half hour interrogation of Indy amounted to questions about things that Corey had said. Nothing that Indy had said. What did Corey say and did he agree with it? And he was told that if he didn't completely disavow Cory, he

1:12:10 would be excommunicated. And they immediately placed him under the lesser ban because he refused to disavow his friend for what his friend had said, regardless of whether or not he agreed with anything Corey had said, which is important because this comes up again later. This is a script that was written by Synod that was delivered to these men. Because remember, Manum had no interest in tangling with Corey before Makira action. He had no interest in placing him under lesser ban, excommunication, nothing. He never dared to challenge Corey until this happened. The very next week, what does he do? He bars one of his friends from communion. Now if you're a pastor and you're listening to this, your blood

1:12:51 pressure should be through the roof. You heard about it when it happened to Ryan Turnipseed. We're telling you for the first time, that was not the first time that this happened. This evil is scripted, it's coming from Matt Harrison the false prophet in St. Louis, and it's being done in defense of what? You know what? The large cataclysm, pedophilia advocacy, minimizing every heinous sin and making things into sins that are not sins at all. This is being done in the name of Christ, which is something that Parrison's going to say shortly. This is a profound evil. And so the lesser band saying that he's an open sin for being friends with Cory. Is that church doctrine? No. Is it Alinsky's rules?

1:13:32 Yes. So that same day, Modam sent me an email asking me not to attend the midweek service because of course we're dealing with Lent here. And so I agreed as an explicit show of good faith, but, and this is something I don't always do, I requested a copy of the Constitution and Bylaws in exchange as it were for my show of good faith and not attending because he mentioned security concerns and when Antifa is in play, I think it is fair to the elders to give them that consideration of a day, or really the better part of a week, to deal with any concerns considering that radical group. And so as a sign of good faith, I agreed not to attend the midweek service, but the reason that I requested a copy

1:14:21 of the Constitution and By Laws is that I was telegraphing to Pastor Manham that I was well aware of the restrictions on how he could proceed with an excommunication. I wanted him to know that if he did not follow the by laws to the letter, it would cause future problems. Of course they did not follow the by laws. As I mentioned in my article, the requirement for excommunication at first Lutheran is that the vote of the congregation be unanimous Now, the reason, part of the reason they placed Indy under the lesser ban, is that they were going to try to argue that because he was under the lesser ban, he was no longer a member. That's not of course the case. The way the bylaws work is that you are a member until

1:15:10 you're excommunicated, and so the vote having to be unanimous, they would never be able to excommunicate me simply because Indy was still a member of the congregation. Now there were other individuals as well. I have to stop and correct you. that's not actually true. You had you had the original copy of First Lutheran's bylaws, which did say unanimous. So after Indy's meeting that was what we believed. When you did later get a copy of them, they had amended amended those bylaws to make it two thirds. So whether or not Indy, there's actually there's a technicality there. Um is there? Okay. Yeah, there is. the technicality in it. And I think it's good that they did this. It's actually reasonable.

1:15:51 It's a two-thirds vote if the accused is not present. If the accused is present, it is unanimous. And so the problem for them is that the accused must be present. That is in the bylaws. The only way that they are allowed to resort to that that two thirds option is if the accused, in this case, if I refuse to attend. If I refuse to attend, they need a two-thirds vote. I didn't refuse to attend, as we will get to soon enough. They barred me from the property. And so they didn't follow the rules at any everything they did was a violation of the bylaws, to say nothing of the various injunctions in scripture with regard to how you were to treat a fellow Christian. So no according to the civil law they have just completely and utterly

1:16:43 Well, they're screwed, to be blunt. But to move on from there, there's a sort of note in between things that are happening in my story here. Lutherans for racial justice on that Thursday, the 16th, discuss the Antifa docs and they divulge having had prior knowledge of Harrison's press release, which comes out not yet, it comes out on the twenty first. So they're pointing out five days before that they know that a press release is coming from Harrison, and this is the discussion between Matt Gonzales and Ken Ferry, who is the latter running for president of the LCMS. But now to return to what is happening to me in this timeline that Friday, the seventeenth, Monam emailed me again to ask this

1:17:36 time that I not attend the divine service on Sunday. This time I declined. I pointed out that not attending the midweek service, and I always attend midweek services. I pointed out that not attending the midweek service was a sign of good faith, that he had had adequate time, and that I would be attending the service. I I additionally texted him to make sure that he checked his email so he knew that I was intending to attend the service and that he would have adequate time to prepare as it were. Notably, he said in his email that he sent via certified letter a copy of the email. I never actually received that one. I don't have reason to believe he didn't send it. I think that most likely USPS has it somewhere and I just

1:18:25 didn't get a notification. But he sent his email on Friday, I sent my reply actually on the eighteenth on Saturday. Then on the nineteenth, that Sunday, as always, I got ready to attend the service at nine thirty, which is when the Divine Service there's one service, the Divine Service at First Lutheran. I picked up donuts in the morning, as I usually do, as I have done every week, and I drove to the church. However, it would seem that God did not want to give Pastor Manham the opportunity to actually talk to me about these issues. Because for those who don't know me personally and maybe didn't pay particularly close attention to what Antifa said, I am always on time for the divine service, I have been late, I believe, twice in

1:19:21 the past six to ten years, and by one of those I mean late by ten seconds, literally ten seconds. This time, for the For the first time in ten years, I was actually late. I was probably fifteen or twenty minutes late. And the reason for that is that I witnessed directly in front of me a chase, crash, and then foot chase with the police. They some individual probably on drugs pulled out from a side street directly in front of me while I was on my way to church, got chased by two squad cars, crashed into the median, completely blocked the road, jumped out of his car, took off, the police tackled him. It took a while for me to get out of there. I gave a brief statement because of course I saw basically the

1:20:09 entire thing. And so I was late. The reason that it is salient that I was late is that Pastor Monham and the elders were standing outside waiting for me to show up so they could intercept me because they had called the police on me. Well I didn't get to talk to Pastor Monum because of that delay. I did get to talk to well, really only the police, because the elders would not talk to me. I had a copy of the Constitution and By Laws and these various other things to point out where they were clearly in the wrong, because that is the Christian response. When you have an erring brother, or erstwhile brother, former brother, however we want to say this, you point out to him when he is in the wrong, where he is in the wrong, why he

1:20:53 is wrong and hope that he will repent. That was my goal. It did not turn out that way for reasons well beyond my control. And so I talked to the police, and that video is available, you can watch that. The police were very polite and they did their job. Obviously I explained some of it to them for the purpose of having the video and for the purpose of the elders who are still standing there, because I know the police can't do anything about this. This is a matter for the civil courts if it goes to that, not for the police to solve then and there. It's important to note with regard to threats. There were no threats from Antifa or anyone else. Interestingly, if you look at the original Makira Action docs of you,

1:21:42 the only demands that Antifa made were excommunicate you from your church and bar you from going back to that brewery. And And they subsequently got their wish on go both counts. There was never any direct. I do like they included the brewery one. Yeah. So ridiculous. It really it goes to Luther's explanation where he talks about how Satan doesn't want us to even have a morsel of food food and peace. That's literally what happened here. And so there were idiot pastors on Twitter and there are all these slanders elsewhere saying you were a threat to the church or Antifa was a threat to the church, that there was direct physical threats. Every single such claim is absolutely false. There is only slander coming from within the Missouri Synod and specifically

1:22:28 coming from Manham and First Lutheran of Knoxville to claim that there was some sort of unspecified threat of violence. That was the basis for no trespassing you. And so they didn't get a restraining order, but what they did, a lesser version of it, but effectively the same thing is to no trespass you, which means your name is now permanently in the police records with that address. And so at any point in the future, if Cory ever sets foot on First Lutheran property, he will be immediately subject to arrest without appeal. Because by saying you are trespassing if you come back, it basically primes any future contact to be automatically a crime. So it's it's kind of like a restraining order, except it doesn't

1:23:13 have to have additional buffers. And that stands to this day. Corey is permanently barred from returning to his church. And see, there's people who don't like Corey, who don't like what he says, who think he's mean, who think he's a heretic. Even if all even if you're 100% correct that Corey is the monster that the LCMS says he is. Is this how you deal with someone who's not actually causing problems? And one of the amazing thing that played out subsequently is that Hans Feeney and some of these other chicken pastors went so far as to say, well, of course they would bar him from being there. He would just speak in his own defense. Why would we let him proclaim Hitler in church? As though that's anything you've ever done.

1:23:58 And so again, this is pure Olinskyite tactics. To prevent you from ever physically being there again is complete personal destruction. And any any bystanders can think, well, anybody who gets thrown out of church and the cops are called, he's gotta be bad. And that's the whole point. The optics of the situation are so evil in terms of the person who's being targeted that most people are just gonna say we must have done something. Cory must have done something. He wouldn't be subjected to this if he hadn't done something. And that's all it takes. That's not Christian. That's not consistent with the eighth commandment. And yet it's the only thing that we've seen within our own church. And yes, it is worth mentioning that I am also barred from

1:24:43 going back to Schultzbroy, which is the brewery where I used to go with Indy, and we would record Tishraiten, which is have a number of episodes of that up. I may finish editing the others and release them. There's really no reason not to do that now. But they managed to get me barred from that because of the Antifa docs and again, this is a family owned business. I don't entirely blame them because they are afraid of what could be done to their business by this violent group. And so everyone knows that Antifa is a violent, leftist, a radical group that will firebomb your business, say. And so I don't I don't blame them for that. So please don't send them nasty messages or anything like that.

1:25:27 it's not their fault. They got caught up in things that are beyond their control. Just leave them be. But that same Sunday, Pastor Monham announces from the pulpit. Actually, not from the pulpit, he's it's from the uh the lectern. The lectern at first Lutherans on the left, the pulpit's on the right. He announced from the Lectern that there were some issues and they had been dealt with, and he did this with a smile, and you can watch the video and judge for yourself what exactly is going on there? And so we move on to President Harrison's press release, as it were, on the twenty-first of February, and that is President Harrison denounces disturbing ideologies. And essentially this is his comment where he denounces the alt right

1:26:18 and racists and all these various other things. He basically lists out Satan's talking points, the left's talking points, and says that he denounces them in the name of the Missouri Synod, in the name of the President of the Missouri Synod, the Vice Presidents of the Missouri Synod, the thirty five district presidents of the Missouri Synod, the Ministerium, the congregations, basically he says that he does this in the name of the entire LCMS and in the name of Christ. And what is denounced is the horrible and racist teachings, to quote him, of the so-called alt-right in toto, which is to include white supremacy, Nazism, pro-slavery, anti interracial marriage, women as property, fascism, death

1:27:05 to homosexuals, even genocide. Now those who have actually read the Old Testament may notice that there are some problems here Because the Old Testament, as we have mentioned previously, does not ban slavery, in fact, tells the Israelites to take slaves in some cases. We'll ignore some of the other ones, but I will point out that the so called death to homosexuals one, we haven't actually called for that except in so far as perhaps we have quoted the Old Testament, because that is what God says in the Old Testament. And of course, genocide, that would be a correct characterization of what God commanded Israel to do to the Canaanites. So So this is Matt Harrison, in the name of the LCMS, in the name of the entirety of the leadership of the LCMS,

1:28:00 in the name of all the congregations of the LCMS, condemning the Old Testament. If this isn't at least Marcionism, I don't know what this is, but this is incredibly wicked. This is a rejection of Christianity. Matt Harrison is not a Christian, because a Christian could not write this. And we waited six weeks before we responded to it. The episode that you've probably heard against the Antichrist was a line by line refutation of that. Uh what's particularly interesting about the death for homosexuals line is that uh in the news just this past week, the nation of Uganda has passed laws which permit that. It is now legal in Uganda for the state to execute homosexuals. And all manner of homosexuality is now illegal, including grooming, and interestingly,

1:28:54 including publication of anything that advocates such, which would mean that the LCMS, CPH, based on some of the things that were written in the new large catechism, they could make a case in Uganda that the CPH would be breaking the law and be stripped of their license to publish published there. So that's interesting for a couple reasons. One, it's not completely out of left field. Not only is it still in scripture, it's still the law in many places. And it's relevant to the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod in particular because this coming July, the LCMS is going to be voting on full altar and pulpit fellowship with the Ugandan Lutheran Church, with the church and the very nation that has now passed this law that says

1:29:40 that homosexuals can, should and should be executed. So I'm really curious to see how that plays out. Is you the Ugandan Lutheran Church going to be made to denounce this in the name of so called Christ, as the false prophet Matt Harrison did? If he's consistent, he'll say, well, yeah, sure you're black, sure you're African, but you still gotta follow the rules or is this altright hysteria something that came from Jack Kilcrease's mouth? It's of course the latter. I don't think they're gonna say anything about the Lutheran Church in Uganda because all they care about is scoring political points and also protecting sodomites. And getting back to the initial point about the petechism and something

1:30:24 we've said on a previous episode, sodomites reproduce by raping children. The two are directly connected. If you know someone who describes themselves as homosexual, gay, whatever euphemism they use, they are almost certainly the victim of child rape. That's a terrible thing. And as a Christian to acknowledge that this horrible thing was done to them as a child is an important part of making them whole within the church. Because Because by and large, sodomites who live that lifestyle as adults are doing so specifically as a coping mechanism for the horrors that were done to them as children. So see all the all these nasty, vile, disgusting things that are difficult to even talk about, they're part and parcel.

1:31:13 And for the Missouri Synod to give up ground on any one of these things, on doing something that Jesus said you'd be better off having a millstone tied around your neck on the last day than to do this to one of these little children. The church that we belong to, that I still belong to, Cory, has been falsely excommunicated. He's not he's still a Lutheran. He's still an LCMS Lutheran, unless he doesn't want to be anymore. But as we made clear, we take our vows seriously. False prophets don't get to kick men out of the church. It just doesn't happen. It's not real. They broke all the rules. They lied in God's name. They continue lying in God's name, which is the reason that we will continue to fight.

1:31:54 One other interesting thing to note: the twenty-first of February is when Harry uh Harrison posted his screed on the LCMS uh actually it didn't initially go out on the LCMS website. We should mention the timeline. He initially posted this on Facebook and not directly. It was a letter that was sent I think to the DPs and it was immediately leaked on Facebook. It went into wide circulation. We immediately circulated it because it directly names not us by name but it makes very clear that this screed is directed against the men online who oppose the large cataclysm. So Harrison specifically says that we are being personally targeted by what he says. He didn't have the guts to publish it personally.

1:32:38 He leaked it on Facebook through a an ally, through an agent. And then a couple days later published it on the internet for everyone, on the official LCMass blog. What's interesting about the timing is that this was after sundown prior to Ash Wednesday. Uh Cory's Church has uh weekly services throughout the year, or at least was prior to this, so the Wednesday service was actually outside of Lent. Lent began the very next week, and so Ash Wednesday is the next day in our timeline. Harrison waited until sundown, effectively st you know, in the in the Jewish way of measuring time, sundown is the beginning of the next day in the window so it was effectively Ash Wednesday when this attack by Synod was launched against Stone Choir, and against anyone who

1:33:26 agrees with anything we said. Because we said Indy was told he is not a Christian, he is an unrepentant sin for being friends with Corey, for listening to the things that he said, not repeating 'em, just listening, just being friends. You're listening. You may make may or may not consider yourself friends. you are also no longer a Christian because you hear our voices. That's what Matt Harrison wants the whole world to think. And what's funny is that February our audience was way smaller than it is today. We've at least doubled, maybe tripled in size since then. So all the hysteria has not tamped down interest in true sound teaching, but it has brought attention from the world to there's something

1:34:07 going on here. If these men who are doing these things are so afraid of a couple guys of the podcast, maybe it's worth finding out why. So we're glad you're still listening. Yes, I should have mentioned that it was pre lent or shrove tide a term we no longer really use, which of course starts with Septuagissima Sunday. And so we had the the midweek services as well. But you mention the issue of the sodomy laws and how recently those have existed, and so I'm going to actually link a second Supreme Court case, Lawrence v. Texas in this case, the previous one was Kennedy v. Louisiana. And that was the case that struck down anti sodomy laws, or you can just call them sodomy laws in the U.S., struck

1:34:53 them down as unconstitutional, saying that there is a substantive due process right to intimate consensual sexual conduct or contact in the US. And so that is now protected by US law. And that was struck down, many are going to think that, oh, that must have happened in the the sixties or th you know, the seventies, the eighties at the latest. That was two thousand and three. So the current mania, the current hysteria with regard to supposedly anti sodomy opinions or anti homosexual opinions Is very new. It is novel. It is in the past handful of years. Satan is pushing for this stuff very hard. And he is pushing for it not just in society but also in the church. And men like Matt Harrison and Jack Kilcrease and Jordan Cooper and

1:35:45 so many others are facilitating what Satan is doing to the church. He has already done it to society. The church is the last bulwark against it. If the church falls, there is nothing to stop the horrors that are coming. And so that same day, Ash Wednesday in this case, not to the Tuesday when Harrison released his statement, Ash reiterated to his pastor that Harrison was in part targeting him personally with that press release. And so the next day, Thursday, Ash was summoned to the church by his pastor. Again, you're going to note that this is a familiar sequence of events here. He was ambushed by the elder board of his church, and synod through D P. Narons asked Ash to resign as an elder of his church.

1:36:36 I have some notes here from Ash that I want to reference in part. These are things that Ash said directly in his own defense. So this is something that we weren't personally witnessed to, but this is from the man who was targeted. At this meeting where he was ambushed by his pastor with the elders, he wasn't told they were going to be there. He was explicitly told that he was put on the radar of synod because of the large cataclysm stream. So this is the day after alt-right ideologies, these disconcerting anti-un Christian beliefs are condemned in public by synod, by all VPs and by all the DPs. Ash was told point blank we have summoned you here because you were on that stream. And he was on that stream.

1:37:23 Every man on that stream has subsequently been targeted by synod. This is a fact. It is a provable fact with dozens of witnesses. He was asked to resign his eldership. One of the things that he was told was that he had at some point on Twitter had mentioned that he was an elder and that really set Harrison off. And so Harrison demanded through his D P narrens, through his pastor, that he be removed and as an elder. And And there were some other things that were unrelated to any of this, where he chose to step down as an elder. It was not his own wishes, but he did not also wish to fight. So he stepped down as an elder because Matt Harrison commanded it. Why? Because he was on the stream. Was there a single thing that he said on the stream that

1:38:12 was false? No, absolutely not. It'll be in the show notes. You can go listen for yourself. Not one thing that he said or any of us said is not defensible. Even if you disagree with our opinions, the idea that someone would be placed under church discipline, told you're living in unrepentant sin, that you cannot receive the body and blood of Christ until you repent for what you said, for that level of scrutiny to be applied to four laymen who had comments about what the synod published in our name. Is literally unprecedented. Nothing like this has ever happened in the history of the Missouri Senate. It may have happened in other church bodies, I don't know. He said that he claimed uh Ash's pastor claimed that Matt Harrison

1:38:57 had been subjected to threats of violence and that the authorities had been called to investigate the four of us who had been on the turnip stream. He stated that he believed it involved a local authorities where Ash lives and that the FBI was involved as well. He said the Senate watches the social media of certain members and maintains a database of dossiers on them. That list includes Ash and every other man on the stream. So what do we have here? We have behavior that would be more befitting of Scientology. This is what happens in cults. Part of the reason we're doing this stream where you know it's it's running, we're almost two now hours now. This might be a four hour stream. I sorry, or you're welcome if you're a trucker.

1:39:40 We have a number of truckers who who beg us for longer episodes. Some people like there's no way I'm lists and all that. Uh whatever. The fact that Harrison, that his synod is maintaining files on layman to target them based on their opposition to him is screwed up. It is called behavior. That is it's sick. Who does that? Well, the sort of man that publishes the pedochism is who does that? Because as he told the new editor of Christian News, don't you dare take my name in vain. You better not say anything negative about me. What did we do? We said that this is false doctrine, and he said that's that's about me. You said false doctrine, I know I'm a I'm a false shepherd, I know I'm a false prophet.

1:40:24 Now, if you go back and listen to the turn up stream again, we were conciliatory. We held back. Corey and I in particular did not say many of the things that we wanted to say at that time. We knew that Harrison was gonna be a scumbag because we knew he wasn't Christian. We held our tongues because at the moment of the stream he had pulled back the cataclysm. We're gonna let it play out. Whatever he wants to do in public, he's gonna do in public and we will respond. We weren't going to try to get ahead of it and say how bad he was. Let him do what he's going to do. Either Scientology or the Stasi would be another one that would come to mind. The former internal security force of the DDR, the East German communist

1:41:09 government. Yep. Very in very in keeping with what they do. Yep. Yeah. Well when when East Germany fell and they got into those records, it became clear that a quarter of the entire East German population was reporting on the rest. And that's Yes. that's kind of where the Senate is headed. And so one of the other things to highlight there is that we were targeted. not only not only is Harrison maintaining dossiers on us, but he called the cops. Now think about that. He called the cops on four men who went on a stream and said this is false doctrine. And the pastor said that the FBI was involved. What's interesting about that, so his pastor told him that the FBI had been involved in this stream.

1:41:55 He said May. He had heard the FBI. He knew that The same evening after Ash was told this by his pastor, that the cops had been called on all four of us, that the FBI was looking into us, one of our other friends on Twitter, who had nothing to do with the stream, but he was a Twitter mutual. So we had interacted. He had interacted with us. He got a knock on the door from the cops at 10 PM that evening, the same evening that Ash was told by his pastor, yeah, we called the cops. Synod called the cops on you guys. Our friend got a knock on the door from the police who said one of your tweets related to abortion was reported to the FBI. We're here to check on you. And they walked away. They said, there's nothing to charge you with a crime.

1:42:42 We're going to report back. You have an FBI file. This contact is going in your FBI file. So So in the same evening, we had two separate reports from friends saying the FBI has been contacted, the police have been called. After that, subsequent to that, like I think 11:30 that night, I tweeted FBI about the FBI. Now Ash had told Corey and me that this had happened, because again, is all this is unfolding in real time. We're just friends talking about what happened. And is Ash going to keep secret that his pastor has told him authoritatively the cops were called on all four of you. Of course our friend is going to tell us that. That's not any sort of conspiracy, that's just being a good friend.

1:43:19 You know what? Synod called the cops on you, the FBI is involved. I would not have tweeted about the FBI being involved until our friend got a knock confirming that the FBI was called on all four of us. I have an FBI file. Now I don't know if I did before, probably not, because I'm not a criminal. Synod accused us of terrorism, accused us of violent threats. Synod opened an FBI file against us for speaking about false doctrine. When we say that Matt Harrison is a false prophet and a wolf and antichrist, this is why. This is evil behavior. It is expressly prohibited by scripture for a Christian to go to the authorities against another Christian. And even on paper, I'm still a Christian, I'm still in good

1:44:06 standing in my congregation. Nothing has been done to me. I am a Christian in fellowship with Matt, in theory. I have no fellowship with him because I have no fellowship with Satan. But But the fact that these things are being done to us and that we were finding out in real time, we didn't say that this stuff. We intimated some of it. I warned other people. By the way, I w I had a duty to my followers to warn them. Employees of the LCMS are going through our timelines and calling the cops on us. You should be aware of that. That's it's unconscionable. It is absolutely evil. Matt Harrison did this And so this is something that those who engage on Twitter and elsewhere should probably consider.

1:44:53 There are certain things that the FBI in particular, but law enforcement more generally, are going to take I wouldn't say seriously, but they're going to treat them as if they're serious, and one is critiquing abortion. I'm not telling you not to do so. I am saying that there are real There are real considerations if you do. I've obviously staked out my position. I have an article on my site called Killing Abortionists is moral, and it's been up since twenty nineteen and I will not take it down. So I've very clearly chosen my position on this matter. But you can see with how society the enforcers of society react to these things what they truly value and abortion is a sacrament for our society.

1:45:40 It is a sacrament in our secular so called religion. And if you attack their idols, they are going to respond as you would expect someone to respond when you are attacking his God. Now if only Christians would respond that way when people attack God, but that's a topic for another episode, perhaps. But we very much have attacked their gods. This is something that plays out. in the course of Ash's interrogation by his pastors and his elder who ambushed him, he goes through what his gods are. He begins by saying, his pastor begins by saying that Ash is guilty by association with us. Where did we hear that before? With Indy. So at this point when Ash told us he recounted what had happened in this interrogation, the At this point we know is a

1:46:29 pattern. Corey obviously was directly targeted. He was read the Riot Act and then they called the cops. Indy was interrogated for three hours for guilt by association. Ash was interrogated for hours for guilt by association. The association with what? Association with Stone Choir with Cory with me. And to get to the gods, the things that Corey had said and that I have said online that caused them to interrogate Mash to say, you're not a Christian if you're friends with these men. They related to race, to interracial marriage, to subjection of women to the idea that perhaps women can be legally property. These are all things that we've done episodes on since then. Not in response to this directly, but because these are the false

1:47:19 gods of this age. Interracial marriage is an interesting one. We've hardly said anything about it on Stone Choir. It's been mentioned as an aside. After Harrison vehemently defended it in his screed against us, we took a few minutes in that episode to talk about it, not to lay out a defense of of what we think, but simply to point out that just like with sodomy laws, where Harrison doesn't doesn't think it should be illegal for sodomites, that it should be legal for sodomites to do whatever they're doing as long as they're not hurting anyone. Basically, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Lutheran confession. That's what he's saying. And you know, by the way, if it's bad, then they need

1:47:59 Jesus, but they're not gonna stop wanting to do those evil things. That's one of the things in the large cataclysm. If you are beset by these sins, there's no sanctification for you. If you want to rape children, you're always going to want it. If you're a sodomite, you're always going to want those things. It literally says that there's no hope for you, even in Christ, to be freed from such evil burdens. Which is patently false. He is directly in contradiction to scripture, to Christian doctrine, to Lutheran doctrine. Why is Harrison pushing it? Because he needs to. He needs to push these lies. One of the remarkable things that happened in this meeting on February 23rd was that another pastor's name was invoked slanderously.

1:48:44 Ash's pastor directly went after Mark Price to attack Ash. I don't think they Mark Price isn't Twitter as far as I know. I don't believe he is. But the fact that Mark Price had ever said anything related to the station of women with regard to the station of men is vis-a-vis equality, gender equality, as it's called today. Ash was interrogated, do you like Mark Price say that women should not speak outside of the home, and certainly not to other men? And And when Ash was surprised that he would invoke Mark Price's name, and Ash said something in fact they didn't think he went that hard, Ash's pastor said, Oh yes, it's my understanding that he goes every bit as hard, and he's recruited other men in Wyoming to do

1:49:32 this way of thinking, and they're starting a college to spread these views. To which Ash can only chuckle and say, Then why is it a coed college? So this slander that's being directed in secret against us, if you pastors think you're skating by you're not, this pastor, Ash's pastor, directly slandered Merc Price. these slander is a key part of all of this. The reason I'm giving this specific example publicly is that it's evil, it's malicious, and it's par for the course. Reputations are being destroyed in secret by pastors of the Missouri Senate every day. These Senate agents are freely lying about anyone they don't like. And for what? For saying what's in the Bible to say that women should not

1:50:17 speak in the church service is in the Bible. Men who disagree with that disagree with God. And if you and I have one have an argument over it, that's fine. I don't think you're going to hell. I think you're wrong, and I think I can prove it from scripture. These men will destroy your life, they'll destroy your reputation, and they will expel you from church for believing it. This is not a Christian church, this is a cult. So after attacking Ash for a Christian view of headship and interrogating whether he agreed with us that the Bible was right, the next question was, was he alt-right? And he sort of laughed because it's such an idiotic term. And it's a term that Harrison used, it's a term that Kilcrease

1:50:56 has used for years. And when when Ash asked what it was, one of the elders said a terrorist verbatim. He said a terrorist. And Ash laughed, 'cause he thought he was joking as that was so absurd. And he clarified that he was utterly serious. He stated that no, I am Ash said I'm no terrorist. But the implication is that when Matt Harrison says all right, he means terrorist. How do we know that? He called the FBI. Now, if you're paying attention to anything else in the news cycle, you know how important that is, because the Biden administration is currently attempting to infiltrate Christian churches specifically to look for violent white supremacist terrorism. What is the Missouri Synod giving to the FBI?

1:51:42 Violent white supremacist terrorists? That is their claim. He Harrison says that flat out in writing, and he said it multiple times since then in public, in events that he thought were private, but they were not. Everything that Harrison does according to his public office is per se public. Unless it is a one on one thing within the pastoral office, what he is doing is public Doing is public conduct. So when he gets up at a convention or he gives a speech and he calls us white supremacists and makes allusions to us being terrorists, that endangers our lives. When he called the FBI, he endangered our lives. That's how people get swatted. That's how terrible things, violent things happen, that are horrific tragedies.

1:52:27 And the bloodshed is virtually always the target, which is the whole point. This intimidation, this this threats, this is the terrorism. You want to talk about terrorism? What Antifa does is terrorism. When people are so afraid of the name Antifa that they'll kick you out because they're afraid of Antifa showing up, that is the threat of violence achieving their goals. That's literally what Synod is doing here. By labeling us as alt-right and as terrorists, saying that those are synonymous, that is in j is jeopardizing our lives, our physical flesh and blood, and our property, and our reputations. This is not small stuff. And again, what started it? The large catechism with annotations. That's it.

1:53:14 Harrison published something. We said, hey, there's some bad doctrine in here. Cops called. That is it's unspeakable. One of the last things that came up in Ash's interrogation, and the reason we mentioned this first, was he was accused of viciously attacking Mrs. Jonathan Lackey. Very first episode he did, back when Ash was still on Twitter, when we were talking about this, the very first episode we go over all the details where CPH publishing that book was something evil. Publishing a book by a girl teaching theology is evil. Evil is that which is contrary to God's will. Scripture is clear that that is not to happen. The Missouri Synod is doing it. The Missouri Synod is doing evil things.

1:53:59 In those threads, I don't think we initially called them evil. We just said this is this is not obeying God. Ash is very gentle, he's very nice. He doesn't go one tenth as hard as we would on our softest days. That's fine, I love him for it. We need reasonable men who can say the correct things in ways that don't get everybody's hackles up. That's not why we're here, though. And so the fact that going back to October of last year is one of the charges against Ash shows that what Ash's pastor said is true. There are dossiers at synod against us. And what are they against us for? For disagreeing with synod. This is call behavior. Ash said something about a woman publishing a book with CPH. Matt Harrison's Janissaries jotted it down, put it on his permanent file,

1:54:52 and when it came time to place him under church discipline he was accused of it. Do you want to be in this church? I'll ask you point blank, would you want to be in a church that would do this to a layman? Even if he was in the wrong, even if someone's doing bad things, is having dossiers and calling police church discipline? Is it how Christians treat each other? The answer answer is unequivocally no. It is the conduct, however, the Missouri Senate. And so the next item, which was actually the same day, this was a busy Thursday, the twenty third of february, I published sort of the first summary of what was going on in the Missouri Senate with regard to these matters, and that is my article, The Apostasy of Missouri, that goes

1:55:42 through more than an outline, but not with a level of detail that we are including here. But it highlights what was being done by Matt Harrison and his lackeys. I started of course with Super Lutheran, the Godcast, and the ALC because that is where some of this started with regard to Jordan Cooper and part of why he hates me particularly, and part of why he hates Wo, although to some degree mistakenly believing he was super Lutheran not the same person, I well aware of that. And that's I'll link to that because that has the complaint letter and such. The reason that Jordan Cooper hates me personally is that I was doing significant damage to the lies that he was telling online. Three years ago, Cooper was bragging about driving so-called alt-right men from

1:56:33 the church. And I used to be a fan of Cooper. I used to watch all his videos. Like I pointed people to him and said, Here's some good Lutheran content. I didn't start as an enemy or an adversary of any of these guys. It wasn't until I saw more and more of their conduct that I realized that What seemed to be in some parts faithful. And frankly, you know, the conduct, the the statements that they make in many cases is true to Lutheran doctrine. Just as when Satan quotes scripture, he's saying what God says, but when they get into these modern religious views on sex, on both intercourse and biological sex, when they get into the questions of headship, suddenly these men break cranks with Christianity

1:57:18 and they go, you know, what is colloquially called far left, what it is is satanic. Cooper began doing that more and more. He began doing things like denying that there's an ontological basis for the pastoral office being limited by God to men for a reason. See, these guys don't think that Jesus was born a man, they think he was born human that just happened to accidentally have masculine characteristics. When you read the description and revelation of Christ before the throne, it's the perfect picture of masculinity. You would never read the description and think that this was not a man. Is so much a man that it we we are only typologically men in the image of the anti type of Christ as the

1:58:06 person the perfect man, and I don't simply mean in his incarnate body, but we are made in the image of that which preexisted. And it's masculine. All three parts of the Trinity are referred to with masculine pronouns. That's not a coincidence. That's not a linguistic trick. It's what God gave us. And so men like Cooper started doing more and more subversive things. I started going after him Not targeting him personally, but saying this guy who claims to be Lutheran is saying stuff that's not Lutheran. Same thing we're doing with Harrison, or we did initially with Harrison. These men say they're Lutheran, but they're not saying Lutheran things, something's wrong. Cooper personally got me banned from Twitter a few years ago

1:58:51 because his reputation as a Lutheran was being harmed by me pointing out facts, like when he says he's learning at the feet of sodomites in Lesbianville USA, which is verbatim from one of his tweets, in defense to someone saying that he should just mind his own business when talking about sodomites. That was his defense. I grew up in Lesbianville, USA. I have a I have a place at the table because I I sat under the table with these sodomites. I learned from them, and so I can communicate with you in their terms. This is the spirit of the AELC. So when he went after Super, he hated Super anyway, he hated me. He banked, he was confused briefly thinking we were the same person. He was going to destroy Super no matter what, because Super's

1:59:35 ministry online was effective. Super Super brought thousands of men out of out of darkness. Men who were angry all the things that they say about us, men who were not who were deaf to the word of God. All they saw was a horror in the world. Some of them listened to the Godcast with Super Lutheran, and he helped bring them to Christ by talking about scripture and by dealing with their issues, the things that they knew about in honest terms and in Christian terms. That is the single worst thing that you can do in Lutheranism today. It's what Corey's been doing for years. It's what I've been doing for years. So super, Corey and I have all been targeted by the AALC for trying to reach out to men that the world despises.

2:00:22 Who are they? They're white men. They're conservative. In some cases they're not Christian at all, and I want more than anything to fix that. By telling them about God. But you cannot tell a man about God if you start by lying to him about creation. And so all the episodes we did on race, on headship, on everyone else, all those other subjects, there are many men who are not Christian, or they're marginally Christian, who when they hear those things described in an honest way by Christians like Corey Super and I, they're like, okay, I get it. I see now that Christianity is not what Nietzsche says, that it's not what Antifa says or what Biden says, that it's actually something that is true and faithful to God.

2:01:08 And that I won't be ashamed to hold as a man. Because a man who doesn't know God knows that he has to protect his family and his community, wants to be a good man. Those are things that God placed in his heart at creation, at his own creation. That is the image of God which is damaged in the fall. And it's only by bringing these men the gospel that they can have the image of God restored, such as they can live Christian lives and be with us in heaven. Harrison, ALC, none of these people want to see those men in our churches. They want to drive them out. So why are there dossiers in St. Louis for us to ensure that as many of these men are driven from the church as possible. Two quick points about Super Lutheran, the God cast, Jordan Cooper, and

2:01:56 the ALC. And yes, that's two points about four things. First, the AALC is well aware of exactly what Jordan Cooper is doing and what he has said. And I know that for a fact because I handed them the hard drive that had screenshots of many of his tweets and links to his YouTube videos where he has said things that are abominable, that are false, where he has made these comments that he is driving men away from Lutheranism. So they know. I handed that to the panel, and the gentlemen who were the prosecuting attorneys, as it were, not attorneys actually, but pastors, they had access to that information. They are friends with all of the individuals. One of them is the head pastor of the ALC. So they, this is not something that is hidden from them.

2:02:54 This is not something that Cooper is doing in secret. Of course he's doing it publicly on the internet, but that doesn't mean that some of these older pastors are aware they do know, and I know they know. And secondly, when it comes to the number of men who have come into the faith or returned to the faith because of the Godcast, because of the work that super Lutheran and others are doing on the Godcast, I know how many. Because I've seen the emails. I've seen the messages. Because that was one of the arguments that was made before that panel. This is an effective ministry. If a ministry is effective, it is because it is blessed by God. It is because it is speaking the truth. Because a tree is known by its fruit, and so a tree

2:03:40 that is bearing fruit is a good tree. It doesn't mean the tree is perfect. It doesn't mean the doctrine is always one hundred percent on point. Of course we may have disagreements. But if God is blessing it, then who are these men to stand in the way of it and tell God that he is wrong? But to return to the timeline, the next day, the twenty fourth of February, Ash made a phone call to DP Narens in order to request a meeting regarding these allegations. Because that is what Christians do. Christians the first step is to meet with your brother personally, and that has basically not been done in any of these cases. It has always been an ambush by a panel at best. In my case, it was not even a discussion with the panel.

2:04:33 But in most of these cases, it has been an ambush and an interrogation. And that is not how this is supposed to be conducted. That is not how Christians conduct themselves. That is not what Scripture says Christians must do. And so Ashir is doing the right thing. He is contacting directly a man he has been told is bringing these charges against him, promoting these allegations, and saying we need to have a discussion as Christians. So moving to the next month, this is of course now March, the first of March, in fact, Ryan's father received an email from his pastor. And basically the thrust of that email you can find some of this information in Ryan's thread, but the basic thrust of the email was that Ryan's father would need to

2:05:24 recuse himself from any hearings regarding Ryan, because of course he has I guess an implied conflict of interests, as it were, which is not really a standard that we have in the church, because the standard in the church is God's word. The standard is what is true and right. And a man should hold himself and others to that standard, not in this case it would be showing partiality. This is actually a case where partiality would be in play. If you show yes your own children partiality in that you do not hold them to the standard of scripture, then you run afoul of that injunction in scripture. But the implication here, by Ryan's pastor, is that Ryan's father is not going to be able to hold himself to the standard of

2:06:12 scripture. It's an insult, it's slander against Ryan's father. And so Ryan, that same day speaks with his pastor at the midweek service, and his pastor admits that the Oklahoma DP is involved. And the reason this is relevant is because all along, what have we seen? The district presidents are involved. And the reason the district presidents are involved is because all of this is being orchestrated by synod and pushed to the districts, and from the districts, pushed to the congregations. And this is part of why, of course, I say that Pavla in my case was undoubtedly involved, because he is the district president. And that same day, Wo met with an elder, I suppose you'll give us more details about that though.

2:07:01 Yep. So again, as all this stuff is playing out, we were discussing this as friends, not again, not as some sort of like shadowy conspiracy, just Hey, we're all being targeted. What's the latest? You know, someone says, Oh, I got a text from my pastor to go to this meeting. Yeah, by the second or third one, we're like, Yeah, well, it's an ambush. Let us know how it goes. So on the same day on that Wednesday, after seeing Harrison screed against me, after seeing what had been done to these other laymen, I knew that I was probably going to be doxed pretty soon. I didn't know by whom. I know I I didn't have any specific reason for that, but I knew that the intensity of hatred, the fact that the FBI

2:07:50 was involved, the fact that I was personally accused of terrorism, that I was personally accused of violence, and that the feds had been told that, I knew that it was probably just a matter of time and probably not very long before I was personally doxxed. And so I have three elders. I did have three elders at the time. One of them, the oldest one whom I've talked to the most, his name is Tom. I I knew that when Cynna did finally dox me and came to the board of elders and said, Here's what's going on, you have a terrorist in your midst. I knew that of the three elders, Tom would be the most hurt by it. I knew that he would be upset, he would be confused, he has some health problems that would have made this worse for him.

2:08:35 For his sake, I went to Tom and spoke to him for about 90 minutes. And so during that one-on-one meeting with him, I said, first, Tom, I'm coming to you as my elder. This is this is an official contact in your office in the church. I gave him the rundown. I told him the you know, a short version of the backstory of what's going on here, that I was one of the men who had spoken against the Sononical publication, that I believe that there were serious problems endemic to synod at large that while they didn't touch on our our local congregation yet, they would inevitably down the road, because if a denomination gets worse and worse, it's in inherently going to produce worse pastors. And so the next time you're looking for a pastor, you're you're

2:09:22 you're gonna be screwed. And in my case, my church has been vacant since actually right around the time we decided to do Stone Choir. I had at the time that we decided to do it, my pastor hadn't left yet. he basically popped smoke and just vanished shortly after we had decided to do this. Now, if my pastor had stuck around, I would have told him about Stone Choir from the very first episode. I had had these conversations with him in the past. We'd spoken for hours. And he, like every other pastor I've ever talked to, he didn't tell me to go to seminary. He said, Why aren't you teaching at seminary? That was his view of me spiritually at the time. So I told him, you know, there are things that I believe

2:10:04 politically and otherwise that maybe you wouldn't agree with. I I'm pseudonymous. He explicitly told me to remain pseudonymous, I think in part because he hoped that someday I would go to seminary. I told him point blank that was not happening for unrelated reasons. God took him off the board. God removed our pastor right at the time the stone choir gust started. So We don't have a pastor, we haven't had one since. I would not have concealed this from my pastor, even while I was doing it pseudonymously. As a matter of spiritual oversight, I have respect for the process. I'm not a cowboy, I'm not a renegade. I understand that church discipline and good order is necessary. And I knew, you know, again, before we had actually begun the

2:10:48 podcast, that if and when I was doxxed, it would become his problem. So I wanted him to know up front, here are the problems I'm causing for you. Not in the sense that I have a guilty conscience about anything. Everything that we say and we publish and we do, we stand behind because we believe that we're doing it in faithfulness to God. Because we didn't have a pastor, Tom was basically the man for me to speak to, and because he was the most likely to be injured by the false accusations that I knew for a fact were going to be coming from Synod. Again, these wicked, evil, slanderous things directed at me, this defamation. I talked to him for 90 minutes. I said, here's what's going on. Here's I sent him an email afterwards with Stone Choir and one

2:11:32 or two other things, I send the link to Harrison's article condemning me personally, saying that I have a wicked agenda. Because I didn't want to be blindsided. And I told him point blank, there's some stuff that I say on the podcast I know you're not gonna agree with. His wife is an uber feminist. Feminism is a cancer in the church at large. It's a cancer in his home. I knew that those those comments were gonna upset him. In spite of that, I went to him out of Christian love for him. That was the last time I ever spoke to Tom. This was on March first. And so as we get down further of the timeline, I'm gonna point back to this day because what I would learn later was that when I was subsequently doxxed, Tom did it.

2:12:19 My elder in his office's elder did it. And he did it despite my explicit warning to him that by doxing me, Synod will jeopardize my life, will jeopardize my property, will destroy my reputation, not because I have said anything wrong, because I have Because I say things like a man is a man and a woman is a woman, and that's not the same thing and it's not interchangeable. That's enough to destroy a man's life today. Confessing how we're created is enough for you to be destroyed. But most urgently, the reputation is less of an immediate concern in doxing than physical destruction, threats to my property and to my life. I told him point blank, please do not discuss this with anyone because it will cause personal, real, verifiable harm to me.

2:13:10 Subsequently learned he intended to do precisely that. And what was amazing was that that conversation was very cordial. I remember if we hugged at the end. We certainly shook hands. It was a very friendly conversation. I went to him 'cause we'd had such conversations in the past. When he heard Stone Choir, he became possessed. And so as we get to some of the later details, I'm going to point back to that. But just remember on March first, I am the one who told my my elder out of concern for himself, it was it this was detrimental to me. It this was detrimental to me personally to tell another man, hey, here's something you're not gonna like, but when these evil men come and slander me to you in secret before I know what's going

2:13:53 on, I don't want you to be hurt. That's my wicked agenda. These men who say I'm not a Christian, that's the kind of non-Christian that I am. So Friday of that week on the third of March, basically a little more than a week after Ash had reached out to DP Nairens to say You have leveled these accusations against me personally, I'd like to talk to you because you're further up the chain. Nairns did get back to him, he responded. Ash made the request he wanted to discuss the fact that these instructions had come down from synod through Nairens, for him to resign as an elder, because that was a big problem for him. That's slanderous. That's something that is completely outside the bounds of our own polity.

2:14:35 This is not our ecclesiology, for a president to order an elder to be removed. We're not top down. Which is something Matt said on his February twenty first screed, and then he says, however, we're gonna do it anyway, and this is exactly that playing out. So on March third, when he talked to D P. Narens, he reiterated that these instructions have been passed through him from Synod, and so Ash wanted to find out what exactly was going on. And another thing that we didn't mention in the first meeting that Ash had with his pastor, his pastor was openly recording the entire meeting. Ash asked if he would have a could have a copy of that at that time, and it was it was it was made clear to him that he

2:15:19 would be given access to the record. So Ash didn't make his own recording at that time. When Ash asked for a copy of the recording, both Nairens and his own pastor said, No, you're you're not gonna have it. And this comes up later on in conversations with Ryan i and another Oklahoma congregation where his own pastor made fun of Ash for not having his own recording, which frankly is part of the reason why Ryan accorded that stuff is he said in his own thread where he had these conversations with these men according to their public office and he posted those recordings. The reason for that wasn't that he's some sneaky little kid that's just sneaking around in the dark trying to get people. When Ash had this thing publicly recorded, he was denied a copy.

2:16:12 He had no witnesses there. The only witnesses present for him were against him. He had no witness of his own to testify to what was said, to what was done. And when he subsequently asked for a copy, he was denied. And so that at that point by March third had been made very clear to all of us that none of this was going to be done above board, and that we were the only people involved in any of this with our own interests at heart. Something that happened in the immediate week after that. Ash had contact with one of the elders who had been there, trying to reach out to him again. You know, he he tried to talk to Narens. There was an attempt made to reach out to one of the elders. The elder refused to have communication

2:17:00 by phone and when asked point blank why not, the response was FBI. So those accusations of terrorism that occurred within his own congregation, the characterization of all of us as terrorists, and the promise from the pastor from district that Synod had called the FBI, had sufficiently damaged his personal reputation with his own elders, with people in his own congregation, his church home, that they literally refused to talk to him. This is called behavior. I'm gonna keep saying that because that's all it is. If you know anything about how cults conduct themselves internally, this is it. Fear, suspicion, slander, and accusations, going to the police to make coercive threats against men to bring them back into line for daring

2:17:55 to speak against the leadership. That's what cults do. Forget bad Christians, for forget denominations that Corey and I disagree with doctrinally. Even they wouldn't do this stuff. Even a Methodist wouldn't do this. And yet the confessional Lutheran Missouri Synod is doing what even some cults are afraid to do. We're talking about these details specifically because everyone needs to know. Everyone in the synod needs to know how Matt Harrison, this false prophet, is conducting our church. It's not his church. It's not his personal plaything to do as he wants, to spend nine million dollars giving kickbacks to his buddies and Lutherans for racial justice while they brainwash kids in universalism.

2:18:39 We need to put an end to this. So at the end of this episode, we're going to be making some suggestions for how we can all accomplish that. And so in keeping with the theme of all this being relatively dense with things happening one right after the other on the same day, in fact, that Narens returned that call, Rolling Stone published an article on me. And I did know this one was coming because to step back a couple days, Tim Dickinson, who is the editor for that article, contacted me on Twitter on the first of March, and then on the second of March I spoke to him on the phone for just under twenty six minutes. I do have a recording of that. I may very well just go ahead and release that. And then

2:19:26 on the third, that article was published in Rolling Stone. And this occurred simultaneously with publication a few other places, mostly just parroting the Rolling Stone article, for instance. MSN picked it up and ran with it. MSN's title was Hitler loving racist trying to turn Lutheran Church into Haven for quote hardline young men, unquote. But the Rolling Stone article is he believes Hitler went to heaven and wants to take over the Lutheran Church. Now I could quibble with the contentions in the headline, but the point here is that the leadership of the LCMS, supposed church leadership, are marching in lockstep with media outlets like Rolling Stone. And as we mentioned in one of the earliest episodes, you need

2:20:23 to look at the source of things. These ideas are not coming from the church. These ideas aren't coming from the media either. These ideas ultimately are coming from Satan and they are being parroted by the media and now unfortunately also by church leadership. And so if you see church leadership marching in lockstep with the established media, there's a very real problem because these are the media that constantly advocate for sodomy, for abortion, for mass so called immigration, for all of these various evils that beset society, and now the church is partaking of them, is in some cases an active participant in them, or at least actively defending and even pushing for them. But to return to the timeline, the very next day, the

2:21:17 Ryan's article on Christian nationalism is published on Gab News. Now, of course, that is one of the things that is absolutely hated by the media, Christian nationalism. They're afraid of it, of course, because they realize that if Christians were in control of the country, it would be a very real problem for some of these extremely wicked men. Particularly individuals like Rolling Stone and those who write for it. As an aside, I am going to make a general recommendation that if you are called by the media, do not talk to them. If you are an exception to that rule, you know it. But you probably aren't. Do not talk to them, all they can do is make your life worse. I knew what I was doing, that's why I talked to them.

2:22:01 I knew what would happen, and they did exactly what I expected, so that played out. But Ryan's article on Christian nationalism gets a good response. Which is great, it's good. We want people to see Christian nationalism what we mean by it and what the goals are, but it gets another response, because he receives a message from his pastor that same day. And the circuit pastor and another congregation member are copied on that message. It asks for his availability to talk, but of course, as is the theme, did not did not list the subjects, or any subject, for that conversation. But to return to my part of the timeline, the very next day, this being a Sunday, my congregation voted to excommunicate me.

2:22:48 As was mentioned earlier, I was not present. Per the bylaws, I must be present. It says that the accused must be present for the vote on excommunication. The only exception is if the accused cannot be found or refuses to attend. I don't know why you would be excommunicating someone who cannot be found, because if he cannot be found, I don't see how he would have done something that's worthy of excommunication, but it's in there for sake of completeness. Really what the two thirds vote is for is so if someone refuses to attend, someone has truly apostatized, someone is living a profligate lifestyle that is anti Christian, and simply refuses to listen to anything the church says and will not come to the meeting, then it's

2:23:35 a two thirds vote. That's entirely reasonable. I agree with that change to the bylaws. That was not in the original constitution and bylaws, it is in the updated one. I think that's a good thing. But the actual part of the bylaws that was applicable in my case required a unanimous vote and required my presence. I was not present, Indy had been driven out of the church at that point, they'd violated the bylaws up one side and down the other. They did absolutely everything they could not to adhere to these binding bylaws because these are binding under the civil law. That's a part of this that some people are missing. There is what Scripture says, and Christians are bound by that, but that's not enforceable in the civil courts, typically, unless it has been

2:24:24 transposed into a contract of some kind. The bylaws, the constitution and bylaws are of the corporation that is the church. Those are binding on members, on the church, and they are binding in the civil courts. And so the fact they did not follow these is a violation. It's a civil violation. It's not a crime, but it is a civil violation of which the courts will take notice and provide remedy. And we have many pastors out there who are behaving as if they are not subject to the civil authorities. I don't know what happened to rendered unto Caesar, but apparently some have forgotten that's in scripture. Well it's not a direct violation of the bylaws. One of the shocking irregularities of this so-called excommunication meeting is that

2:25:14 your own pastor was not present. reason he was not present and in his place was Graves the circuit visitor is that we forgot to mention earlier on the Wednesday after Corey was physically restrained from entering the church when the cops were called, between that Sunday and the subsequent Wednesday, your pastor had his kidney begin to fail. It was a transplanted kidney that had been in place for years. He went into serious physical jeopardy. And it took him a while to figure out what was going on. So the reason he wasn't present for the excommunication is that he had missed several weeks. He was out for I think six weeks or so. He was hospitalized at the time because Because God knocked and apparently he didn't hear.

2:26:04 I was burying the lead. I was leaving it until we mentioned that he returned to the pulpit to announce the excommunication, which we'll get to soon enough. But yes, he he was gravely ill. Yeah. he didn't he not only wasn't preaching, he wasn't attending the service because he was in the hospital. I mean he was probably seemingly about as close to death as you get without being dead. That was very much how it sounded in the prayers of the church. And the reason I mention here is for the irregularity of the circuit visitor who is again an agent of synod. So in this meeting, this church meeting at First Lutheran Knoxville, where every single bylaw was violated for excommunication, it was a synod official

2:26:49 in his act as an agent of synod who did it? It was not even the pastor of the congregation. He was on death's door. He was he was in a hospital bed fighting for his life when this happened. So you want to talk about irregularity, both on paper and spiritually, this story has every single base covered. I don't even know if that's actually proper according to the bylaws. I'm not sure that they directly address the issue of whether or not an excommunication can even proceed in the absence of the properly presiding pastor, not some random agent of Synod. Yeah, I would I would imagine that's not possible. It again just seems like Synod has decided that we're Rome, and Pope Harrison can say whatever he wants, and the DPs have to jump

2:27:38 and then the pastors have to listen to the D Ps, or the circuit visitor if he's used as a proxy. But the beauty of it all is that in this specific case, God basically has hardened Synod's hearts and tied this around their necks. Synod literally presided over an illegal excommunication of a member who incidentally, like this took just a couple weeks from the riot act being read to him being falsely excommunicated. And that's part of what the process was not followed. the rules were basically to slow things down to call for repentance. There was not a single call for repentance from Corey. If you're a pastor, if you're a Christian and you hear that, that should concern you. How can an excommunication occur without a call for repentance?

2:28:30 Never mind the guy not even being present to be told he ths he's going to hell for disagreeing with the Missouri Synod, but not even to be asked to repent of anything. I guess we can make a a comparison here. Because of course we're Lutheran, so we're going to make the comparison to Luther. But in fifteen seventeen, Luther posted his theses on the church door. Notably he was not excommunicated until fifteen twenty one. Now, of course, it takes longer in the 1500s for news to travel, but it does not take four years for news to travel from Germany to Italy and back. So he got four years, I got basically no time at all. And I think he would defend himself multiple times. Yeah. I think probably the most egregious procedural

2:29:29 malevolence in all of this is that you found out putatively that you had been excommunicated on Twitter from one of the enemy pastors. If I remember correctly, it was Ben Meyer. It may not have been, I don't mean to tie his name to this, but he was certainly in the know about many of these things. One of the enemy pastors who had been hounding you for your destruction and joking about murdering Nazis, which by the way, you're a Nazi, according to these men, they're the ones who posted on Twitter that you were excommunicated. you know you had no communication whatsoever with your own church. Not the elders, not the pastor, not the circuit visitor, no one. You found on a Twitter that apparently there'd have been a meeting

2:30:09 that Sunday to excommunicate you. And it's even worse than that, because not only did they not announce the excommunication to me, they did eventually send me a certified letter. I do have a copy of that one. That one I actually did receive. Perhaps I can get my scanner to cooperate and scan that one. But they haven't contacted me at all since I was turned away from the church on Sunday with the police, I have not had a message from anyone in the congregation. I have not been emailed, texted, called, anything, and notably, the elders all have my cell phone number and my email address. They also know where I live. I have had absolutely no contact from any of them. This is simply not how Christians behave.

2:30:58 And in the case of some of them, it's quite disappointing. Not for all of them, some of them I kind of expected it, but for some of them I expected them to behave more Christian than they have. The only vague communication I've had from anyone in the congregation has been because I happen to have mutual friends with some members of the congregation, and it's come up in those discussions and then been reported to me. But I have had no direct communication from any member of that congregation, from any member of the district, from any one at synod. So I I mentioned that I don't have a scan of the document and I have put it in a stack of papers somewhere and I will eventually find it. I didn't burn it like Luther did with the papal bull, but

2:31:47 as I mentioned before we started recording, it doesn't have the the seals and the pomp of a papal bull. It's not as much fun to burn a simple certified letter. But I'm going to read the charges from it, because this will shock. pastors and many Christians. Just how vague these charges are, and what what's listed here? But I'll start with the second paragraph of the letter. The basis of the excommunication was your continued, unabashed and unrepentant postings and dialogue via social media, superimposing fascist, white supremacist, slash ethnocentric, and misogynistic views in the name of Lutheranism The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and the Lutheran Church as a whole in violation of one, the

2:32:33 first commandment, two, the second commandment, three, the fourth commandment, four, the fifth commandment, five, the eighth commandment, and six, the tenth commandment. I remind our reformed and other listeners to recall to mind that Lutherans number the commandments differently, so do bear that in mind when you're looking at this And then they just basically say under Article 4 relating to the bylaws, etc., which they violated, so it's funny that they cite them. But that's it. I don't have specific examples. There are no attachments or exhibits, as it were. It's just this listing, and then you're excommunicated for these violations of basically modern morality. Because Because no scripture.

2:33:20 Yes for fascism, you can't show in scripture does it say you can't be these things. You were literally declared to be damned for misogynistic views. This is a charge from a Lutheran church and see, the the thing about these is that it's not that those in concert were the s were bad enough for you to go to hell. If only one of those were true, you would still go to hell. That's what this letter says. That's what excommunication means in the Lutheran Church. First Lutheran, on behalf of Matt Harrison, has declared that Corey is going to hell. That is official under Missouri Synod doctrine. Why is he going to hell for misogynistic views? Now I'm struggling to figure out which of the five six com

2:34:05 the six six commandants they listed there. I'm not sure which one of the misogyny falls under. I guess we'll have to wait for the next edition of the l small catechism from Pope Harrison. I would presume they're going to argue the same as they argue that racism is murder. I'm gonna I would presume they're going to say that misogyny is murder of women. Which is one of the dumbest arguments you could possibly make, but they are the kind of people who would make that argument. Yeah. But if you're a pastor and you're listening and you're wondering, I wonder why Corey was excommunicated. Maybe you don't like him. Maybe you think he's a jerk and he says mean things online. Did you know that he was excommunicated for misogyny?

2:34:45 Mark Price is a misogynist, by the way, according to Ash's pastor, he made very clear that Mark Price is a misogynist. He made very clear that all you guys up in Wyoming, you're misogynists. You're gonna be excommunicated next because that is the religion of the Missouri Synod. If you guys think you can hide away and not face what's coming because we're disposable laymen and you can go off and do your own thing, you're joking yourselves. We're at the vanguard of this precisely because we can take the punishment so that you can move in behind us and do something Christian. If you continue to hide, they're gonna come for you next. Mark I specifically named because he was named for this slander of

2:35:25 misogyny, as literally what was given to Ash as a charge against him. So this is not a joke. It's a joke in terms of that being absolutely obscene. That's contrary to everything in Scripture. You can entire chapters of Scripture are blatantly misogynist by twenty twenty-three standards. And the Missouri Synod under the false prophet Matt Harrison says you will go to hell for agreeing with scripture. And quite frankly, I didn't even go as far as Mark Price's Is accused of going. Because I have never once said that women shouldn't be allowed to speak outside the home. Yeah. Everything about it is just obscene. But that's part of the reason that we're airing this dirty laundry. Everything, every single one of these things is a fact.

2:36:12 It is verifiable, it's provable with evidence and with witnesses. This is not supposition on our part. This is the state of the cult of Missouri Synod At least they didn't include the third commandment. I guess that would be difficult when I constantly tell people to go to church. The first sentence of the last paragraph should warm the black cockles of Chris Rosebro's heart though, because they state that you are welcomed and explicitly encouraged to view the divine service at First Lutheran or any LCMS affiliated church through online broadcast of said service. Despite the fact that the bylaws say in all caps in the original, that even those were excommunicated are cordially invited to attend the

2:36:52 divine service, and there is no way that those who wrote that thought that attending the divine service included Facebook streaming. It's just it's utterly depraved. And yeah, this is the state of the Missouri Synod. That's the pornographic version of church. to watch a peep show on YouTube is not the communion of the saints. Now it may well be edifying, I don't mean that it's disgusting or gross, but I mean to say that it is a fake version of the real thing, that there's no legitimacy to the notion that a man can attend church online. It's one of the conversations that Corey and I have regularly. There are a lot of men who have seen this stuff playing out and they're saying, I'm just going to leave the established church

2:37:37 altogether. I don't want to be a part of any of that. Why would I subject myself to it? And so we caught in the middle of this are still trying to do battle and say, no, you do need to go to a church. You need to have a church home. Even if you don't believe everything they say, it's still important to gather together with Christians every Sunday. It is part of the Christian life. Even if it's a place where you cannot commune because you don't agree with what they believe about things, it's still important to gather together with other Christians. It is edifying and it is necessary for the Christian life. These people don't even want that for us. Which is we made clear earlier with the story about Jordan Cooper,

2:38:19 these men want to drive us from the church entirely. They want us physically removed. They call the police to seek our physical destruction. Demonic it doesn't even begin to describe it. There's no word in the English language for how evil this is. And again, Matt Harrison from St. Louis on behalf of the synod and in his office as present is orchestrating every one of these details. The fact that these things are starting to blur together, it's like, well, that already happened. Well, yeah, it did to one guy, but then it happened to the other four guys too. That's why it's a script. Alinsky has a script, Harrison has a script, and by and large, it's the same script. And so the next item we have is the following Monday, the very

2:39:02 next day, the sixth of March. The previously mentioned elder refuses to communicate with Ash, and he states as his basis for this that there is FBI involvement, so again, verifying that synod has deliberately involved the FBI in these matters, going to the secular authorities in violation of Scripture. And we really should point out that the goal here, and it is fair to call it their goal, is to murder us. Because when you are dealing in these sorts of charges, white supremacy, and when you're accusing people of being a terrorist, the odds of the FBI or someone like that no knock raiding you, and they have a very real tendency to just shoot people in those raids. That is exactly what is in view, and that is what Synod

2:39:54 desires in this case. And it's made clear by all the Nazi stuff online. Again, when all these pastors call us Nazis and then separately celebrate murdering Nazis. Rosebro posted a vile video of a man literally being stabbed through the skull with a knife because he was a Nazi. And he was saying, I'm so excited about this movie. It looks so beautiful. That's a threat. That is a direct physical threat. That is far beyond anything that even if Corey and I thought those about these men, we would never say it online because Because they would call the FBI. They would take that as a serious personal threat. It beggars belief that this is occurring in our church, but this is cult behavior when men are intimidated by the fact that the

2:40:41 church is contacting the police, contacting the FBI, and they're cutting off all communication with you, again, that's that's the Alinsky rule, cutting cutting off all social circles so that someone has no support saying you may not return to the church at all. This is complete spiritual and physical destruction as a package deal. This is sacramental for Matt Harrison. This false prophet of St. Louis is he's vehemently pursuing his own religion, and he's doing it at the expense of Christian laymen. And he's not done. We're not the only ones he's doing this for. There are other men that are currently being targeted who are not currently public. We're not going to say more about it. I will say this, Matt, and all the other evil men who

2:41:26 are listening. We know far more than we are saying here. We're saying what is relevant to us and was relevant to this timeline. If you think that all the other things you're doing in secret are actually secret, well we'll get in just a minute about the verses about daylight, but the daylight has come upon your actions too. What you're doing in secret has been made bare and when the time comes for that to be known to the world, it will you can rest assured. On the next day, that Tuesday, the seventh of March, Ryan was informed of the subject of the previously mentioned meeting, and that is, they were deeply concerned with his online activity. There was also an attempt to walk back the earlier admission of

2:42:11 the involvement of the DP, and so clearly we see that Synod would like to be involved and control these things, but does not want anyone to know. Now I am going to say that this is most likely due to someone consulting Synod Council. Because an attorney is most likely going to advise the leadership of synod that you should not be directly involved in this because you are opening yourself to liability, which is good advice, that is correct. What I'm saying isn't legal advice, but you're not listening to this podcast for legal advice. But I think that is most likely what happened here. But it's far too late because Senate's fingerprints are all over all of this. Again, we have multiple witnesses.

2:42:59 We have documentation, physical documentation, we have eyewitnesses saying Synod directed us to do this. Matt Harrison has directed all this. All the lies, all the slander, all the defamation, all the malicious acts in person, calling the FBI, that's all on him. That's provable. And whether that's proved in the court of public opinion or it's proved in an actual court, frankly it's probably gonna be up to him down the road. Yes, they spoke to corporate counsel far too late. Because corporate counsel would have told them never to touch any of this. And then this wouldn't have happened. They would have behaved as actual Christians, which irony of ironies, an attorney would have told them to behave as a Christian.

2:43:39 But sometimes these things align for fortuitous reasons. But that same day, that Tuesday, Ryan met with the circuit pastor. And did you want to go over the details of that one or just refer people to the thread I think we'll just refer to the thread. It's the we're we're already incredibly long and we got at least another hour of content of our own. Ryan has separately detailed all the events of what has been done to him. The point that we wanted to make is that that's just one story of four. All four stories have some very striking similarities. They have some variations on themes. They have some verbatim accusations that keep popping up. So you can discern from all of that both the script and

2:44:24 who wrote it by send its fingerprints being all over all of it fundamentally. And then Ryan had another meeting that same week, that Thursday, the ninth, and that was with his pastor, a circuit pastor, and two elders. And again, you can look at his thread that will be in the show notes for some of the details of that. And so the next day on Friday, uh one of the LCMS pastors who uses a pseudonym to specifically attack us on Twitter. I have no idea what his real name is, but I believe him when he claims to be an LCMS pastor. He goes by the name Luther Commander CMDR. He tweeted on the tenth that he had my docs, that he knew my name and you know one of the things about doxing, as we said in the episode

2:45:09 on the enemy's playbook, is that the threat is worse than the thing itself. And so when they're getting close to doing their evil deeds, they want to amp up the terror as much as possible in their target. And so for most people, the idea of being doxxed is scary enough to chase them away. There are men who have had peripheral connections to some of this who have been chased away by the thought of being doxxed. And I don't blame them. If you're not financially independent, if you can have something taken away from you that endangers your family's welfare, you have to weigh that. And that's what doxing relies on. Saying we're gonna make you unemployable. We're gonna make it so no one will ever talk to you.

2:45:55 Not only we will you never be allowed to go to church again, at least in the Missouri Synod, but you'll never be hired in XYZ. So when this pastor, this Missouri Synod pastor, said Says, I have your docs, Fan Molly. The specifics don't matter, but he he made clear that he knew who I was. That was the first time that I had any indication that that was true. No, on the f as I mentioned earlier, on the first, I had talked to one of my elders to say, I know that this is coming. On the tenth, when this pastor revealed that he had my docs, like, okay, well, I I guess I was right about the timing, but I had no idea how did it happen at that point. So the next day, Corey, you received that letter that we had you

2:46:39 had previously read with the details of your excommunication, which was the first actual indication that you had been excommunicated. At that point it was just it was just a rumor on Twitter, among other pastors, which I hope people are recognizing is one of the recurring themes in this. LCMS pastors, agents of the Missouri Synod Corporation are slanders and gossips of the lowest order. Incidentally, it also very much proves their little networks that are pushing so much of this information and how it is being disseminated not only from synod, but from pastors up to synod. There is a definite feedback loop in many of these cases. Unquestionably. And so that that was on Saturday, the eleventh, as was

2:47:25 mentioned. The Wednesday after that, the fifteenth of March, we published the episode against the Antichrist, where we went through that press release, we should call it, from Harrison, and detailed the ways in which he taught falsely and corrected what he stated in that, and I will link to that because that is worth re-listening to if you have forgotten some of those specific. It ties into all of this. And as we keep mentioning, the podcast is a thread, there are interconnections everywhere, all of this is interconnected. Because there is an animating intelligence on the other side, and there is an animating intelligence on this side. Because we are fighting for Christ and his kingdom and his bride,

2:48:16 his truth, and the other side is fighting against it. So that same day after we publish the Against the Antichrist episode. At some point in the afternoon, the same three pastors that have popped up at the very beginning, Dan Ross, Eric Johnson, and Ben Meyer, all confirmed that they had my docs. They did this on Twitter. So early in the afternoon, two of them were tweeting about Bible verses about darkness being brought into light, which is one of the very favorite things to say about us. They say that we were filled with darkness, that we're hiding in darkness, that anonymity is darkness, and that they're bringing the light to darkness with their slanderous accusations and their murderous lies.

2:48:57 So in the afternoon, I could tell they got riled up because they were posting about you know light and darkness and whatever. And I thought, you know, maybe this has to do with Luther Commander a few days earlier saying that he had my docs. And then a couple hours after Eric and Ben were tweeting about Light, Dan Ross posted a long thread With my docs. It didn't name me directly, but he gave specific details about where I where I live, about previous employment that made it very clear that he knew what I where I lived, who I was, what my name was, and he was doing it to intimidate me. This is an LCMS pastor in Oklahoma, mind you. He has no connection to synod other than the hierarchy and his

2:49:41 network of pastor friends. Somehow he had my docks. And I didn't know at the time what had done it, but as I subsequently learned, on the first when I spoke to my past to my elder Tom and said, I'm coming to you as an elder, don't tell this to anyone. Synod is trying to dox me. What did he do? He immediately doxed me to Synod. And within 10 days, my dox was communicated up to St. Louis. I know for a fact that it went through corporate headquarters in St. Louis and then it came back down to Oklahoma and to wherever Lutheran commander lives. This is direct, immediate proof that the Missouri Senate is participating in my docs that they were spreading my personal private information among themselves.

2:50:29 Now, Dan Ross has no relationship to me as a pastor. He's just some jackass on Twitter. He's a slander, he's a murderer, he's not a Christian. We he was used as a specific example of one of these pastors who directly blasphemes scripture gleefully in service of the modern religion that the Missouri Senate holds to. He He's a cult member. He is and he's a card carrying cult member because he's a pastor in this cult. When he posted my docs, he made it clear that he and Synod were acting in collusion to intimidate a layman, to threaten me physically, which keep in mind, I already knew that Synod was talking to the FBI and to police. These are intimidation tactics of the highest order. And it was funny to watch because Dan posted that threat on

2:51:18 Twitter and nobody responded and I just ignored it. And so he he retweeted a couple times and was plaintively trying to get some attention. He was frustrated that no one took the bait, 'cause he thought it was so clever and this was this was a Wednesday. By Friday evening, he had deleted the entire thread, which means that someone else saw what he was doing and said, Dan, you idiot, you screwed up. You just physically proved beyond any shadow of doubt that the LCMS communicated my docs to you. Too late. It's archived. It's in Twitter's database. I have screenshots. It can be subpoenaed. Dan Dan is the absolute proof that Luther Commander was telling the truth four days earlier that Synod had doxxed me.

2:52:01 Now again, I didn't know on the fifteenth how Dan got it. It wasn't until a couple weeks later, which is is the rest of my part of the story where I found out how that happened. So that was Wednesday the 15th. The following Tuesday the 21st, I had known at this point that I was going to be doxed. I knew that I had been doxed, which meant that I knew that at some point soon what I had warned Tom about was going to come to fruition. That these liars from the cult in St. Louis were going to come to my elders and say, this guy's a terrorist, this guy is all these things, this guy is evil. I knew that that was coming. I didn't want them to be blindsided. So I spoke to a second elder and to another man that

2:52:44 I trusted in the congregation to get him up to date. I told him the same things that I had told Tom in the first meeting. I told him I had met with Tom. I didn't know at the time how I had been doxxed. And it was clear to me in retrospect from their response that they didn't know yet either what was happening. They listened as Christians to to all of it and you know said, okay, you know, how do you how do you leave a meeting like that where one of your layman says that Synod is trying to physically destroy you? They didn't know what to make of it, but I and I at that point I didn't care. I just wanted them to know not to make my case before Synod brought its lies, but just so they wouldn't be blindsided, because

2:53:24 again, we don't have a pastor. These guys are not involved at all in in synod politics or anything. It would be an absolute shock to anyone's system in their position for someone to reach down through the tentacles of synod and make slanderous defamatory accusations against me about things like terrorism and that the FBI has been called and that there were physical threats. I didn't want them to be hearing that for the first time from a stranger. So 21st I met with them. On the 30th of March, the the elders met privately. I was not aware of this at the time, but they met together to discuss the situation. And let's see, Thursday that was a Thursday. The thirtieth, the Thursday, they met together.

2:54:06 Subsequent to that meeting of the elders, the president of the congregation contacted me by phone and asked if I'd be available to meet after church with them uh to discuss what was going on. At that point I obviously knew the context of the meeting. Because of the previous ambushes, I asked the president point blank the names of all the men that would be present because I I told him in like fifteen minutes I told him what had happened to Ash, what happened to Corey, what had happened to Indy, what happened to Ryan. I said, if I'm going to show up, I want to know the name of every man present. If there's somebody else in the room that I don't recognize, this isn't gonna happen. And he assured me that the the names that he had given

2:54:49 me would be the only names present. Okay, I believed him. So I showed up for a meeting on Sunday, the 2nd of April. Met with the president and two other witnesses for about 90 minutes. And during that meeting, they there was some back and forth. We sort of laid out the details of how we got there we got there. And one of the things that the president made very clear by way of admission was that Tom had doxed me to Synod. The elder in whom I had confided for his own spiritual sake is the one who had doxed me to Synod. Apparently his daughter has sick some connection to Synod. He went through her, that reached up directly to corporate, and then, as I said earlier, back down to multiple pastors and far flung

2:55:35 parts of the country who now knew my name and address and were personally trying to intimidate me on the internet by posting part of my docs, which incidentally, well, they're both legal and civil civil ramifications to those sorts of threats. During that conversation, I was pretty well prepared for it because again, I had known what had happened before. What came out pretty quickly was that they started enumerating a few of the accusations against me, And it was the exact same wording that had been used with Ash and with Ryan and with Indy. They highlighted three specific things and said that I was I was guilty of them and I got them to clarify. I said, Where did you get that language? I asked the president, where did he get that language?

2:56:21 Because I knew it didn't come from him. And he admitted that synod had transmitted to them through Tom documentation, the dossier, part of the dossier that Matt Harrison had assembled against me, a layman, targeting me for the large cataclysm for my opposition to that form To that false doctrine, they had physical copies of it. I said, I want a copy of that. Because I knew at this point everyone else had been having these secret charges from secret accusers. It's something that when you hear the transcript from Ryan, when you hear his clips, he had the same problem. There was a secret dossier assembled against him. The details were just sort of read off completely haphazardly, with no context, with no opportunity to respond to explain what is going on.

2:57:08 And in his case, it wasn't even things he had said. It was things other men said. But even then it was still secret accusers. So I knew the secret accuser thing was going to happen because I I knew the accuser is. The accuser is Satan. His agent is Matt Harrison. Whoever assembled the secret dossier probably on payroll, is the accuser who passed this down through my elder to my congregation. So I have a physical copy of that printout that's just a it's a list of some tweets going up through about like March twenty-third, roughly. They're not screenshots, they're just copy pastes of the words that were in the tweets. I never bothered to check to see if they were verbatim what was what I had said on Twitter.

2:57:51 The reason I mentioned that is that I didn't need to in this meeting because one of the other guys who was there, as I was sort of explaining the backstory to what was happening, he said, you know, let's just get down to basics. We don't need to hear your excuses. I've always liked you and respected you, you're the most knowledgeable man about scripture in the congregation. I've always been very impressed with your knowledge of Lutheranism, so I'm shocked to find out you're not a Christian. That's almost verbatim what he said. He was shocked to learn that I wasn't Christian based on the tweets. Like, okay, fine. Let's look at this piece of paper. Let's you pick a tweet and you tell me which one isn't

2:58:31 Christian and let's talk about it. He said, I don't want to do that. It's I said, which which specific thing have I said is not Christian? So well all of it's not Christian. I said, okay, great. Then we can have a specific example and we can discuss the details of why I in good conscience said something and why you think that it's not Christian, that means I'm going to hell for a tweet. He refused. At no point in the ninety minute conversation was there any actual discussion of the specifics of anything that I had said. Now, the other two men who were present bathed themselves in a completely Christian manner. I have no problem with how that meeting was conducted. It was not an ambush. The president was true to his word.

2:59:10 The only men who were present there were the men he had named. And I believe him completely that on his part, he was not acting on the orders of synod. That only played out because we didn't have a pastor. If there'd been a pastor, I don't know what would have happened. But I would have at least had a personal relationship with the man. As it happened, the basically the same thing happened in my 90 minutes with them as happened to Ash and to Indy and to Ryan, which was that no specifics were ever discussed. It's just, oh, it's all bad. It's all not Christian. It's all evil. It's kind of frustrating as a Christian when someone says you're going to hell and can't tell you why. That that's something that should concern anyone, because I do take it

2:59:51 seriously. As I've said in previous episodes, when someone comes to me and says you're doing something wrong, that trip's a circuit breaker, and I pause whatever I'm doing and I evaluate, are they right? Because regardless of how they bring it to me, regardless of what I think of them, if I'm doing something sinful, that's my chief concern. If I'm sinning against God, that matters more than any of the circumstances surrounding it. And so when these men say you're going to hell, like as Matt Harrison said in writing in his his publication on february twenty first I like specifics. I like to look at the specifics. That's the reason that six weeks after Matt Harrison published that, we refuted it line by line.

3:00:30 Because virtually every word of it was a lie. Most of it was blasphemous against Scripture and against the God of Scripture, which at this point should be no surprise to anyone listening. We're not dealing with Christians. Not in my church. I mean, the the response that Tom had to me coming to him in brotherly love to say, I know you're not gonna like this, but I need you to know because it's gonna hurt you. As I said, he's never spoken to me again. In fact, he has left the church. The reason I said we don't have three elders anymore is he's left. He hates me so much for Stone Choir that he went around to the rest of the congregation and the reason I I I buried the lead, the reason that we were having the meeting

3:01:10 wasn't simply that the dossier came down to the elders. It was that Tom had gone round to the rest of my congregation, to everyone whom whose support he could elicit, to say, He's evil, we need to get him out of here. Interestingly, exactly the same treatment that Corey received. He's evil. Get him out of here. There was not a single notion in Tom's mind of me being called to repentance, of any specifics being discussed. It was literally damn him. Let's go. He hates me so much that he's never come to church again. I don't know what to make of that. I had the history that I had with him. I we we had bumped heads before and we had reconciled as Christians. I truly believe that there's demonic influence in his household.

3:01:56 There's no rational explanation for that. Yeah, it's something that I told the president because the president of the congregation has been friends with Tom's for forty years. He said he considers him to be like family. And he had no idea where the hatred came from. The reason for disclosing these details is and I told I told the president of the congregation, I can tell you why it's happening. It's not Tom's spirit. This is an animating spirit that's coming from outside of this congregation that has possessed him. This is evil that is being acted out through men. And so it makes no sense when you look at it irrationally. Like why and so a lot of people maybe you're listening, and we're over three hours in, probably not many people listening left, but

3:02:38 on paper, when someone says there's a Christian disagreeing with another Christian, and then you describe the behavior of one of them. If you believe that the person behaving that way is a Christian, you can't reconcile the two because Christians don't act that way. What Tom did is not how any Christian would ever act. Again, I told him, I will be placed in physical physical jeopardy if you tell anyone. What did he do? He immediately told Senate. Within ten days, not only had it gone up through corporate in St. Louis, but it had come down back down to the very enemy pastors who've been hunting and hounding and defaming us for years on Twitter. That is not Christian behavior. Which is why when I say this is a cult, that's what

3:03:18 I'm talking about. These intimidation tactics, these isolation tactics, with zero interest in discussing scripture or discussing what it means to actually be reconciled to Christ, it's not what you ever find in a Christian church, but it's what you find in the LCMS. And so the next item in the timeline is back to Ryan, in this case the eighteenth. And he was informed that there'd be another meeting no earlier than the twenty first, it's not considered urgent. However, he was at that time threatened with the minor ban, and again we'll refer you to the thread that he has going that has more details on what is going on in his case. And so on the twenty ninth of April, uh one month ago, I I guess I forgot to to close out without that that

3:04:08 meeting left. The purpose of the meeting on the part of the president was fundamentally to figure out what we do What do we do as a congregation? Not with me, but what do we do collectively with a situation where a now former elder has gone around stirring up controversy, slandering another church member, making it so that there's the possibility that other people would also leave the church if they even saw me there. And I told him something that I had said previously on on Stone Choir. I had always known when I began this this podcast that I may well be doxxed as a result, but by putting my voice out there and by saying the same things that I always say in person, you know, not hiding in darkness, you could recognize the

3:04:50 things that I say because there are things I've said to other people in the LCMS. There's things I've said to pastors in the LCMS face to face. So it was very likely at some point someone say, yeah, I recognize that guy. And whether they would behave as Christians or not is between them and God. I'm not worried about that. One of the possible outcomes the the president offered was that I simply leave, that I I leave the church forever. Just stop showing up because that would solve the problem. And I told him that I knew that it's it was possible that it might come to that because I would not have on my conscience other people actively sinning against me simply by sitting in the pews next to me, stewing with hatred.

3:05:36 And if that would cause them to leave the church, I would have to weigh very carefully how I in in good Christian conscience could deal with that. Obviously, I am being targeted by sin and by evil, but at the same time, it is possible to become a stumbling block for someone, by that meaning to actually cause them to sin by what you're doing, even if what you're doing isn't necessarily per se sin. So I told him that was an open question, but this was this was just before Monday Thursday. We had previously that's Sunday, so that that would have been that was a Sunday prior to Easter. I said, Well this is Holy Week. I'm not gonna stop coming to church during Holy Week. I'll show up for for the Good Friday service and then I'll

3:06:20 come to the Sunday service and we'll take it from there. And I told him that since the primary problem that the church was dealing with was not whether or not I had said something online, but the fact that Tom had stirred people up against me. And so I said I will show up, I will be in a pews, you come to me and let me know if other people are saying they're gonna leave the church if they don't drive me out. Because if that were the case, that'd be new information that I would have to weigh. And may maybe I would have to leave. Maybe I would, as a matter of conscience, have to walk away, not for the sake of of abandoning the faith, certainly, but for the sake of not being the cause of other people going to

3:07:03 hell because they were so filled with hatred that they would rather separate themselves from Christ than be sitting in the same room as me in church. So that's basically where that meeting was left. And one of the other things that came up was that we could because we don't have a pastor, he said that he thought it would be helpful for me to speak with a pastor for him to just hear out some of the concerns. You know, the the dossier, the docs from synod. He wanted he he admitted that he wasn't theologically apt to debate those things with me and I wasn't gonna try to beat up on him because I would win even if I were lying. I wouldn't fair and we agreed to that. So I agreed that if I would defer to his judgment if

3:07:46 he wanted me to meet with another pastor. So on the twenty-ninth, that's what we did. The twenty-ninth was this was a Saturday. Uh I sat down with the president of the congregation as a witness. He didn't really say anything, he was just there to kind of hear things out and and to be a witness to the the events with one of the pastors who has served us uh once or twice during our vacancy. And so I agreed to show up. I I expected an ambush, I expected that it would be as bad as everything else that everyone had received. I was I was honestly shocked by what happened. I had the only Christian meeting of all Of all of this. For four hours the pastor asked me whatever he wanted. We had a very fruitful back and forth.

3:08:28 Um by the end of the first hour he said I I can tell you have answers for everything and you know, it wasn't he wasn't being snarky. It was just he could understand that when he had concerns about something he had heard about what I said about race or whatever, that I wasn't just shooting my mouth off, but that I could substantiate my positions. Which isn't to say that he agreed with everything. he made clear that he didn't agree with everything I said, but when we got down to the brass tacks of what does scripture say and what is it that I am I am trying to accomplish by saying these things. By about the end of the third hour, he basically told the president that I don't see anything here based on our discussion that

3:09:10 would lead me to believe that there's something that there's a sin to be repented of, that would that would be something certainly for excommunication. Which we both agree didn't mean it was not it was not a clean bill of health. It was not him agreeing with me by any measure, simply saying I don't I don't see a reason why this man would be put under church discipline for what we have discussed. Now, obviously, even a four hour conversation where I had no agenda and I was given no agenda, I agreed to that. I showed up and he asked me whatever he wanted. Every single question he asked, we discussed at length. He shared some of his concerns. I gave him my explanations for why I believed that what I

3:09:45 was doing was legitimate in the face of his concerns, and I don't mean to suggest by any means that he acquiesced to what I said or that he didn't agree with me, but he agreed that this was part of a longer conversation, that he would need to go do some more research. I'm sure at this point probably Senate has reached out to him directly and told him many of the slanderous things. I I recounted some of those things to him and but he sat down across from me face to face for four hours and we demonstrated to each other we are Christians. We have disagreements about some things. I'm not worried about 'em. The thing that I I wish that this pastor had been able to talk to some of the other men instead of me, because

3:10:23 the other men were far less deserving. Well, no man deserves the treatment that they received, but if this man who spoke to me had been in all these other situations, none of them would have happened, because he would have dealt with them in a Christian fashion, and none of the outcomes would have occurred as they did. Even if in the case that ultimately there were some sin to be found among us, it would not have transpired as it did in these other cases. So I'm thankful to God and I'm thankful to that man that he is a faithful Christian. And so when we see We say things like the Missouri Senate is a cult. I mean that in all sincerity. That does not mean that there are not Christians in the Missouri

3:11:04 Senate. This man who met with me was a Christian. He was a faithful Lutheran pastor who's doing the best that he can. And that's all I can ask of anyone. I don't ask anyone to agree with everything I say. I think that what we say on this podcast is worth hearing out. It's worth discussion. I that's a point I made to him. We exist to talk about things that the rest of the church isn't talking about. And naturally that's going to be in our blind spots as a church. So the way that was less was that he was going to go and and do some more study. I was not placed under discipline. Since the first meeting with the elders, I have not communed. That was for the sake of others. I was not placed under the lesser ban.

3:11:47 I have voluntarily ceased to commune for the sake that I don't want to go up. I don't know who hates me in the congregation. I know that there are people who to whom Tom slandered me. I don't know their names, because just like Corey and everyone else, not one person has ever communicated with me. I talked to Tom, he never talked to me again. I talked to the second elder, he never talked to me again. I don't fault him for it, but like at no point has anyone specifically who was harboring something against me come to me. No one has ever said, hey, I have a problem with what you're saying. Let's talk this out as Christian brethren. It's never happened. So I am not communing in my congregation on the occasions when

3:12:25 we have a pastor to to provide the Eucharist for the sake of the other souls in my congregation, because I know that if I go up and I'm at the altar rail beside them one, I know the word on communion, because some of them hate me. I don't know who. But more importantly, I don't want them to see me there and to be sitting in the pews and seething or to be in beside me at the altar rail, seething with hatred. The last thing that I would ever do would be the reason that someone would be sinning against the body and blood of Christ at the very moment they're receiving it for the forgiveness of sins. So for that reason and that reason alone, I have not communed. Honestly, I don't know if I'll ever communicate at a Lutheran church.

3:13:07 And that's something I couldn't find which episode it was. It's something that we mentioned in an episode before any of this blew up where I said, even if I'm doxxed, even if I'm excommunicated, I'm going to continue to faithfully attend church. I said I won't commune because I obviously would make communion with a congregation that would excommunicate me, but I will continue to be faithful to my vows. And the only caveat that I gave in that comment was that they would have to get a restraining order to keep me from coming to church. Within I think a month or so, that's exactly what they did to Corey. So I don't know if anyone from Syn had heard that episode and thought, hey, that's a great idea.

3:13:44 But Satan knew that was the only way to keep Cory from his church because he's faithful. We're faithful laymen. Even if we got something wrong about the large cataclysm, even if we got it all wrong, even if we're just complete doofuses. and everything we said was wrong, we would receive faithful church discipline and we would continue to be faithful in our attendance because we obey God. We actually care about obeying God. And there are precious few men involved in any of this that can make that claim with a straight face. That was probably the best line from the Antiphadox when they pointed out that I attended church every Sunday and sat in the same place. Which is it's something I wish that could be said exactly.

3:14:26 I wish it's something that could be said about every one of our listeners and every member of our congregations. But at the the opposite end of the spectrum from the experience you just described with that last pastor. On that Sunday, the next day the thirtieth, Monham returned to the pulpit for, I believe, the first time, I didn't check every single one of the live streams, but I doubt that in the course of his nearly dying he took a break from nearly dying to preach. So he returned to the pulpit on the thirtieth, and basically the first thing he did was announce my excommunication. So apparently, that warning shot from God was insufficient for him. I do intend to write him a letter, I'll go ahead and

3:15:13 state that publicly, and I guess we will see how hardened his heart is in this matter. Moving back to Matt Harrison, the next month, the tenth, Harrison appeared at a pastor's conference in Minnesota, and he called us groomers for trying to take over the LCMS and for attempting to, again, one of their beloved terms, infiltrate the LCMS with white supremacy. However, one of the things that is notable from this talk that he gave is that he is angry about the number of people listening to this podcast. He is angry about the number of people listening to this podcast because we are having a very real, a concrete effect on the LCMS. We are pushing things back towards scripture, and he hates that

3:16:09 because he hates Scripture, because he hates God. Because the God of Scripture, the Lord God, is not Matt Harrison's God anymore. I don't doubt for a second that at one point in the past, I don't know when the switch happened, but at some point in the past, I don't doubt that he was a faithful pastor. But he no longer is. He has chosen to be something other than a Christian. And that is a very real problem because he is pushing his false beliefs into the LCMS. And the LCMS is one of the last standing conservative traditional true Christian churches in the US. And if the LCMS falls, it is a catastrophe for the church. Which as we said in the episode on Here We stand, this is why we're sticking around.

3:17:01 This is why we started the podcast. This is why we talk about these issues. We believe the historic Lutheran explanation of the Christian faith. We believe that that is faithful. What we do not believe is it is held anymore by the very men who claim to uphold it. And that's what's so fundamentally difficult about all this is that when on one hand you have a man wearing a big cross saying I'm a Christian, I'm a Lutheran, I'm very confessional, I love the liturgy, and on the other hand, he says I hate God, this stuff in the Bible is wicked and evil and sinful We have been so browbeaten into just assuming at face value the claims of people who say they're Christian that we never for a second doubt that it might not be true.

3:17:47 And in some sense, that's the way it should be. I mean, you you should be able to believe if someone comes up to you and says, I'm a brother in Christ, the response should be, thank God. The response should not be for your hackles to go up and for you to be doubtful and to try to interrogate them to find out what their heresy is. That's not how the church should work. I don't want that. But the only way to prevent that from happening is if men are held to account by scriptural standards and where that means exposing men who are false prophets. You know, when we call Matt Harrison a false prophet and describe these men as wolves, that's scriptural language. The facts matter. Maybe the fact is true or the fact is false, but in

3:18:35 comparison to scripture, to say that a man is a false prophet, that is a scriptural category. God says there will be false prophets who will come to you in sheep's clothing, that there will be wolves who will try to destroy God's church, to devour his sheep, and that if people are not on guard they will succeed. God doesn't want a single soul snatched from his hand, but when people are asleep, it's possible. When pastors are derelict in their duties, it's likely. When pastors openly embrace falsehood, even by degrees, it's a certainty. And so this is what the fight is for. It's not about internet drama. We're at three and a half hours now. This is this is a painfully long episode for you. listening. I'm losing my voice just doing it.

3:19:25 All these details are part of a hideous tapestry of evil. And the reason for laying all of them out simultaneously is that if you just see some part of it, it's very easy to think, oh well, maybe it's just a confusion. Maybe it's just, you know, he said, she said, I I wish we could get over these doctrinal disagreements, but we gotta come together and try to find common ground. I wish that were the case. Unfortunately, it isn't. And as long as it's not the case, we have to guard our souls and we have to guard our brothers in Christ as well. And so returning to Ryan, we have two more points on Ryan's timeline thus far. That is obviously still ongoing. But But on the past Thursday, the 18th, he put out his

3:20:16 second Twitter thread. We will again link to that, and it gives some of the details of what has been happening since the initial thread and the publication of the so called annotated large catechism. And then on the twenty first, undoubtedly partly in response to that second Twitter thread, Ryan was placed under the minor ban, and so now they are lining things up to potentially excommunicate him as well. And the crucial point to note about that is that it was an immediate response to him publicizing the thread where he disclosed the abuses he had been subjected to by synod agents. They didn't say a word about it when they said you were banned from communion, you were an open sin. They said you were an open sin and you're banned from communion

3:21:06 for all the same things that they had talked to him about two months earlier. Now what's fascinating about that is that two months earlier, when they said, Well, we'll have another conversation towards the end of May, beginning of June. There was no urgency. Even though Ryan told them point blank, You haven't told me anything here for me to repent of, so I'm not there I'm not sure why we would meet again for you to just say the same stuff again. If you believe that I'm an open sin, let's deal with it now. They had no interest now. They wanted to kick the can down the road because they thought that as long as they kept it secret, they could continue to browbeat him. And to be explicit, his sins are being friends with Corey and

3:21:45 I, for speaking to us publicly. Never mind the fact that he and I and Cory, we disagree on many things. We disagree privately all the time about things. We don't argue with each other in public because we can argue in private. That's a better place to have an argument with a friend. He certainly doesn't subscribe to everything. I think no one does. I think that's one of the seminal aspects of this is that suddenly the church, the so called church, the Missouri Synod, is imposing this notion that if you have public contact with anyone, by necessity you must believe everything that they believe and you're guilty of everything that they're guilty of? Literally no one can survive that. Yeah, it's funny.

3:22:26 They're pastors who like Hans Feeney went on a stream last week with an atheist Jew to condemn Christian nationalism. He's platforming her by the standards that Ryan's being held to. Ryan is being told that because he tweeted about one of our posts, one of our podcast episodes from Stone Choir, and Ash was accused of the same thing, that he because he retweeted one of our episodes of Stone Choir, he was to be disciplined unless he disavowed our entire persons. That was a language that was used repeatedly against Ryan, against Ash, against Indy. You are guilty by association of being friends with those men. Why? Because Harrison knows that Stone Choir is a threat to his demonic activity. The large cataclysm stream was the kickoff because it brought into light

3:23:19 the evil in Matt Harrison's heart and the things that he's been doing in Synod. He's not alone. Pless, Vogel, Killkreis, all of these men are doing wicked things behind the scenes. They're spreading this doctrine. You know, forget slander, forget the personal destruction, for forget the physical threats, forget the defamation. The fact that they're spreading doctrine in our church organs will be with the Missouri Synod until it becomes healthy enough to repudiate those false teachings. I don't think it's ever gonna get there. I don't think it will ever get healthy enough to expel the foreign organisms that are introduced by the decade of Matt Harrison's damage to the Missouri Synod. One of the last things that we're going to cover here is

3:24:09 in a way it's kind of a denouement to the very first thing that happened. We mentioned Operation Valkyrie and Chris Rosebro registering a blog by that domain. About a month and a half ago, roughly, now he started posting on Operation Valkyrie along with his son Josh. And they were specifically coming after Corey and me. They're specifically coming after Ryan. They were specifically defending the large catechism. Now, Josh has not been active on Twitter, at least not under his real name. He has he has a name, he has a public account with that name that he's doesn't use much until recently. However, he has numerous SOC accounts, which are when you when you stand up multiple fake accounts with fake usernames, so that you could

3:24:56 pretend to be a bunch of different people and try to convince someone that oh wow, everyone disagrees me when it's actually one guy with four counts. That's what Josh does. So on the twenty second of May, this will pretty much be the end of our timeline. His Chris Rosebross son, who again, Chris is AALC, he's a longtime friend of Todd Wilken. Chris is basically the reason, incidentally, that Matt Harrison is president of the Missouri Senate. Most people don't remember, but Harrison kind of came out of nowhere, and part of the reason that he was given the opportunity to just barely sneak by a victory was that for a long period of time, Chris Rosebro operated a series of blogs that were viciously

3:25:41 attacking Jerry Kieshnick, a man who I have no fond memories of. Jerry was not a good guy. Jerry was the exactly the sort of man you don't want in the Missouri Senate. And so when Kieshnick was devoured by the attacks from Chris, Harrison was able to step into the void and to be the confessional candidate that the good guys wanted to win. And one of the things that happened back then was that Kieshnick fired Todd Wilken and canceled issues, etc. And then when they tried to keep the name, when Chris Rosebro continued to host Todd Wilken on Chris's own infrastructure, which was no doubt operated by Josh Rosebro his son, issues etc. became one of the touchstones for Harrison's election. And one of his fiercest advocates.

3:26:31 So Wilken Harrison Rosebro are a Troika that go way back, long before this. So immediately after Chris Rosebro beginning his open attacks, specifically on Corey on me, on Stone Choir, he went on Wilkins show to do a show about Stone Choir, and we mentioned that a few weeks ago after it happened. On the twenty second of May, after he'd been blogging on Operation Valkyrie for a while, Josh Rosebro retweeted one of his own socks tweets that had my docs. Again, it was something that was specific personally identifiable information, and the comment from him was that we had been sitting on this information for some time. So Josh made a comment that taking this V card has a much different connotation than normal, which if you're not familiar, it's a

3:27:23 it's a grotesque sexual innuendo that has to do with taking someone's virginity. The V card in question is it's a a fake A fake p poker card that has a V on it with a heart. And I didn't know what the V was until Josh explained his own meme that he was quoting from the other account, but this is the salient part. If you want to play this game, then let this guy know we're ready to play this card. We've been sitting on this one for a while. Few things there. The sock is Josh. The sock is Josh Rosebro. We is plural. Which in this case is not his multiple personalities. It refers to Chris, to Josh, to the other men, including Dan Ross, Eric Johnson, and Ben Meyer, and whoever the Lutheran commander is,

3:28:09 and others, who were all given my information by the Missouri Senate? Chris Rosebow also has my docs. And he's what's he been doing? He's been sitting on it. He's been sitting on it for a while. How long has he been sitting on it? Since March, early March, when Tom doxed me to Synod. But how long has he been preparing to dox me? Since February, when he set up his blog before Antifa even set up their blog for doxing, because they knew that this concerted effort between the LCMS, the ALC and Antifa to target us for personal destruction was it's been in the cards. And Roseboro's affiliation with Harrison is not incidental. It's very deep. So the fact that the kerfuffle was kicked off principally by the

3:28:55 large cataclysm thread from Ryan Turnipseed, and that's the main focus of Chris in his blog, can't be missed. One of the creepiest things that's happened, I hesitate to even say this, but as I said at the beginning, child rape is one of the things in the large cataclysm that is being normalized. Chris Rosebro and his son Josh have spent weeks screaming about loving pedophiles, not worrying about the victims of child rape, but worrying about bringing the gospel to child rapists. The latest blogs from Chris's Operation Valkyrie are entirely in defense of pedophilia, saying, Well, yeah, it's a sin, but we gotta love these people, we can't condemn them, we can't have the law for them. I think that the Ugandan solution is the appropriate solution.

3:29:45 I think that as a matter of law, that would work. I think that would work really well. And as Corey mentioned earlier, the Supreme Court made that impossible. These guys love when the new religion with the new Supreme Court rulings takes away all the legal barriers to dealing God's justice to evil men. It's not for the church to ever do. The church doesn't meet out justice unless it's the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, in which case you call the cops you threaten people of physical violence. The church's job is to worry about souls. The state's job is to worry about bodies. We are free to talk about both. We are not pastors who are limited to talking about the kingdom of the right hand. We are free as Christians to talk about politics, talk about talk

3:30:29 about religion, to talk about their intersection, and to talk about how faithful Christians interact with all of them at the same time. And so this hysteria that has arisen from a very queer corner of the Lutheran sphere calls into question a lot of what's going on behind the scenes. There's a lot more to what's going on than we have made public here. There's a lot more going on. And they're revealing much of it by their own screaming. When we threw a rock into a pack of dogs and one came out yelping about pedophilia, we know which rock landed. It was the one slide that I made that highlighted that when the large cataclysm says a pedophilia is a speck in your neighbor's eye, and we said that's vile, that's repugnant to Christ, that is

3:31:19 animating m a much of the attacks against us. So Stone Choir is serving God's purposes. We will continue to do this as long as we draw breath. We will continue to be faithful in our churches as long as we draw breath, because our d we owe our duty to God. We don't owe it to any church, no nor any church body, certainly not one that seeks our physical destruction. So for those who are still listening, and particularly if you're Lutheran, you may be wondering what you can do. Because we've detailed a very serious ongoing problem or set of problems in the LCMS. But what can you do about that? And the answer to that is the same as what we would tell you on the political side in some cases. You're going to act locally.

3:32:08 That's how you can address this problem. And so I'm going to read a document that we'll include in the show notes as well, giving some information, some suggestions about what can be done to start addressing these problems in the LCMS and eventually in the larger church. If a member of an LCMS congregation takes strong exception to the conduct or direction of Synod, one of the least used but potentially most effective means of feedback is withdrawal of financial support to Synod. While calls, letters, and resolutions are all good and useful, there are times when each of those will fail to elicit the response that turning off the cash will. A portion of every congregation's budget is allocated to at large spending.

3:32:58 This is typically money dispersed through the district for synod programs, or further upstream to the synod level. These funds are generally unrestricted, made available to district and synod for any purpose they see fit. This usually amounts to a few percent of the congregation's total budget. All of the other expenses we typically think of in a congregation fall under the at home budget. We as individual Christians and collectively in our congregations have every right to withhold our tithes from teachings or conduct that do not reflect our faith. Beyond the local level, the pocketbook is by far the loudest voice we have. It is one that will not be ignored, and the net effect at the local level is a positive.

3:33:47 The chief objections will be that we are obligated to blindly give Synod money, and that failing to do so will impact all manner of worthy programs unrelated to whichever corner of Synod has drawn our ire. To the first, the response is simple to whatever extent we are obligated to send the Synod money, they have an infinitely greater duty to use it to serve God faithfully. To the second, disrupting all programs is precisely the necessary outcome. If the Senate is able to continue all its conduct unimpeded, then we have accomplished nothing. They have sufficient, unrestricted funds to move them around if we continue remitting, but earmark the programs we like. Other than a minor paper shuffle, it would have no impact.

3:34:36 Dropping remittances to zero forces whatever issue has necessitated this very serious measure. And so there are two steps two stages stage one. Mark all donations at home, and communicate with your church treasurer to ensure it is understood that these funds are restricted from remittance to district or synod. Stage 2. Discuss your concerns with others in your congregation. If the congregation has the same problems with LCMS conduct, discuss terminating all remittances until such time as those concerns are addressed. When we discussed this with a man who has previously been a church treasurer, he said your treasurer's gonna hate you. He's gonna come to you and say, don't do this. Good. That means you're gonna have a conversation with someone and say,

3:35:28 hey, let me tell you what's going on. I'm concerned about this. I am very unhappy with what is going on. I will not in good conscience permit my dollars to be spent on things that I have a problem with. And to be explicit, we're not saying don't fund Synod because you like Stone Choir. It's not us versus them. This is about their conduct against Christian laymen, period. If I were not a victim of their defamation and their attacks and their threats threats, I would still be as every bit as incensed as I am at this conduct. It's part of the reason that we're describing this. This is not self-defense. The people who believe me were gonna believe me anyway, and the people who hate me won't believe anything I say.

3:36:13 So I'm not we're not gaining any ground by sharing this for our own sake. What we're doing is making the entire timeline clear so that all Christians in the LCMS can know this is what your cynic dollars are being spent for. There were LCMS employees on the payroll, meaning your dollars were being spent for them to dox us, for them to call the FBI on a layman. Maybe you don't agree with anything we say. If you think that if a Christian can call the FBI on another Christian 'cause he don't doesn't like what he says, that's your business. But if you have a problem with it, this is one of the most effective things you can do. Yes, it's going to cause some disruption to your congregation. That's the point.

3:36:56 Your treasurer's going to be annoyed. And we mentioned talk to him or her. Figure out what the most appropriate way to do it is so that you can ensure that it's easy for your local congregation and yet deny Synod any money at either the district or the synonical level. Because to be clear, every DP who is given these marching orders followed them to a T. The district and it was random. It's not like Oklahoma is like the super lib part of the Senate. It turns out it's pretty bad, but frankly, I'm not sure where the good places are. It's awfully hard to find. So it's not like we just stumbled over a coven in Oklahoma. The simple fact is the Senate is in this bad of shape. And until such time as we can rectify those spiritual problems, our

3:37:42 voices can best be heard with our dollars. Now you individually cutting off your money, we're not saying reduce your donation. We're suggesting if you think that there are problems here that you have with what Synod is doing, maybe it's this, maybe it's something else, resolution are not enough, emails are not enough. When you cut off personally, you're giving more money to your local congregation. You're not cheating God, which is one of the the false responses they would have. Are you cutting off programs you may like? Yes. And when synod begins being Christian again, the money can come back. But until that time, this is probably the single most effective thing we can do as individuals because your conscience will be clean,

3:38:26 that you are not funding these attacks, you will have the opportunity to start the conversation in your in your congregation. Maybe you're alone. Maybe the only one who cares and everyone's gonna think you're a nutcase. Welcome to the club. What can I say? That's increasingly what the Christian life is gonna be like. If however there are other people who share some of your concerns about some of these things, Then perhaps as a congregation you would decide that this is the appropriate measure to take. I'm not saying anyone should do it. Personally, I would like to see it happen, but congregations like, no way, I think that's wild. I think that's inappropriate. Okay. I don't think you're going to hell.

3:39:03 I don't I think that there are reasons that someone could articulate that would outweigh their misunderstanding of the situation. I don't think if someone believes everything that we've just laid out, that believes we're telling the truth about these verifiable, provable, witnessed facts. I don't think you could continue you could continue funding synod, but if you disagree, that's fine. I don't that's between you and God and your conscience. This is one way that we can say, you know what, there's a lot more people upset about this than just two jerks with a microphone and a few jerks on Twitter. The fate of the Christian Church in North America hinges on whether Christians can be faithful in the sort in the face of these

3:39:46 sorts of attacks. Not necessarily our personal situation, but in general, as this plays out over and over in multiple denominations, there's no question that there's an animating intelligence behind the attacks. And as Corey said, there's also an animating intelligence on this side. God speaks to us through scripture. So the fact that Stone Choir is mostly a Bible study podcast, that's why Synod is angry. We're pointing the parts of Scripture that they condemn. We're pointing to the parts of Scripture that have been forgotten for so long that when Matt Harrison condemns them in public, no one even recognized it. The things that he said that condemns God didn't raise any questions from people.

3:40:28 They thought, oh wow, Nazis, all right, that's scary, that's really bad. Nobody thought, hey, this guy just blasphemed God almighty. That's the degree of ignorance that exists in the Missouri Senate. That's what I want to see fixed. And it's gonna happen only when we cut these men off and we drive them out. They do not belong in the church. They were a threat to souls. They are a threat to lives. They're a threat to everything that Satan is a threat to, because they are acting on behalf of their Lord. Their Lord is Satan, and he will rule in hell with eternity with them. We are going to do what God says. We are slaves to Christ and we'll continue to obey him. And the angrier people get at that, frankly at this point, that

3:41:08 just tells me we're over target. Even if at some point in the past I might have wondered somebody's mad maybe we should do something differently now when people become furious and set up a new blog and a new Twitter account just to attack us means we nailed it. It means that we threw that the rock into the pack of dogs, and the one that comes out yelping is the one we were aiming for. We don't need to see where the arrow is going, where the stone is going, because God is guiding it to its target. This has been a four-hour episode. God bless you if you made all the way through. I'm sure even the truck drivers are tired at this point, but we won't be doing another episode like this. This was just a one-time thing to lay out the entire timeline

3:41:46 of what happened. This is our permanent record of everything that not everything. Portions of what we bore witness to. Everything that we can prove. So again, if you're in synod, if you're one of these flying monkeys, if you think that we've said everything that we know, everything that we could prove, well I I hope you don't behave in a manner that assumes that because it's not the case. We're saying what's necessary to lay out for layman how to fight the evil in their church, to know that there's evil there and that something needs to be done. It's up to everyone else what you do. Please pray. Pray for us. Pray for Harrison. Pray for these evil men. These men are evil and they still need our prayers.

3:42:25 I I didn't understand the passages in scripture about hardening hearts until this began. I understand it now, as I've watched it in real time. But even then all we can do is pray for God to deal with our enemies justly and fairly and mercifully, because that's what we would hope for ourselves I am going to add just a little bit of emphasis or nuance, which I usually don't necessarily do, but in this case I will, to the comments about whether or not you should withhold your tithes. I would say that you should. I would say that you are morally bound to do so if you believe the things we have just said in this episode. Because if you believe the things that we have said in this episode, then you know for a fact that your tithes, if they

3:43:14 go to synod, if they go to the district, they are going to be used to push evil. They are going to be used to fund the salaries of evil men. They are going to promote evil. They are going to tear down the Synod, in fact. They are going to harm the Church. And so you are conscience bound to withhold that tithe from men you know will use it for evil. Now as was mentioned, we aren't saying it's us versus Synod, that's not the point here. The point is to use your tithes to advance the mission of the church, to serve your neighbor, to serve your congregation, to do all these things that are supposed to be done with your tithe. Because as a Lutheran, when you hear about a tithe, you of course should be thinking about Luther's comment that God doesn't need your

3:44:03 good works. Because God also doesn't need your money. Your money is worth nothing to God. There is no amount of gold you could amass that would mean anything to God. God didn't have them decorate the temple with gold everywhere inside because gold is valuable to God. Your neighbor needs your good works. Your neighbor needs what can be bought with your tithe. And so if it were just us versus synod, we would tell you, well, whatever you would have given to Synod, write that check to us. And we're not telling you that. We're telling you give that money to your local congregation, or do any of the things that you would like Synod to be doing that Synod is not doing and do them yourself. You can pass out a small catechism, you can buy a case

3:44:49 of them and pass them out. You can probably find them fairly cheap if they're used, and they're probably going to be lightly used, which is a problem to discuss another day. But we're not telling you just withhold your money. We're telling you ensure that it is directed where it will do good, where it will do what God intends for it to do. We'll end this episode with a short reading from scripture just reading the words of Christ from Luke twelve. Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. Nothing is covered up that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. Therefore whatever you have said in the dark shall be heard in the light, and whatever you have whispered in private rooms shall be

3:45:38 proclaimed on the house tops. I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes I tell you, fear him.