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Welcome to the Stone Choir podcast, I am Corey J. Moeller, and I'm Woe.
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Remember O Lord what has befallen us, look and see our disgrace.
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Our inheritance has been turned over to strangers, our homes to foreigners.
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We have become orphans, fatherless.
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Our mothers are like widows.
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We must pay for the water we drink, the wood we get must be bought.
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Our pursuers are at our necks, we are weary, we are given no rest.
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We have given the hand to Egypt and to Assyria, to get bread enough.
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Our fathers sinned, and are no more, and we bear their iniquities.
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Slaves rule over us, there is none to deliver us from their hand.
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We get our bread at the peril of our lives, because of the sword in the wilderness.
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Our skin is hot as an oven, with the burning heat of famine.
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Women are raped in Zion, young women in the towns of Judah.
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Princes are hung up by their hands, no respect is shown to the elders.
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Young men are compelled to grind at the mill, and boys stagger under loads of wood.
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The old men have left the city gate, the young men their music.
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The joy of our hearts has ceased, our dancing has been turned to mourning.
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The crown has fallen from our head, woe to us, for we have sinned.
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For this our heart has become sick, for these things our eyes have grown dim.
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For Mount Zion, which lies desolate, jackals prowl over it, but you, O Lord, reign forever.
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Your throne endures to all generations.
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Why do you forget us forever?
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Why do you forsake us for so many days?
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Restore us to yourself, O Lord, that we may be restored.
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Do our days as of old, unless you have utterly rejected us, and you remain exceedingly angry
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Today's episode of Stone Choir is a discussion around the idea of generations.
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That was an opening reading from the end of Lamentations, discussing the generations that
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had been abandoned by God, cursed for their faithlessness.
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We're talking today about what generations are, what they're in scripture, what they
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are just in human life, and giving some specific modern examples of the generations that are
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extant today, and how they're relevant to the problems that we face.
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The first part we're going to discuss is scripture.
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The middle part we're going to talk about the current generations and how generations
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work in society.
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In the end, we're going to specifically talk about the boomer question.
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We've had some people ask us to do an episode on boomers in particular.
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It's an important subject, so we're going to talk about why the boomer hate, why is
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one generation of all the living generations particularly signaled out for criticism, where
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when you look at the other generations, they're a mess too.
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We did some thinking and some study, and we're going to talk today about why there might
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be a difference there.
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So we're going to begin with scripture in the history of the concept before we get
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into the direct application of why would it matter if the elder generation of our day
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isn't living up to their responsibilities, but we're going to begin in scripture.
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The Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward, when the sons of God came
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into the daughters of man, and they bore children to them.
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These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
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The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention
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of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually, and the Lord regretted that he
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had made man on the earth, and had grieved him to his heart.
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So the Lord said, I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land,
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man and animals and creeping things, and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have
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made them, but Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
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And so of course here in Genesis 6 we see really the first instance of an entirely pervasively
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wicked generation, because God wipes out everyone except Noah and his immediate family with
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God doesn't wipe out part of the earth, God doesn't wipe out only certain people.
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He wipes out an entire generation of man and starts over in this case.
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And so of course that is an explicit argument against those who say the flood was regional,
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the flood was not regional.
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It speaks of all the high mountains under heaven having the floodwaters above them.
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This was a worldwide flood.
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God wiped out everyone because of the wickedness of this generation.
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Of course with the adults, with those who would be considered under secular considerations
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guilty of their crimes, all of the children are also wiped away, because this is not a
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generation that has no children.
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This is not a world populated only by individuals who are 25 or 30 and up.
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There are infants who are wiped away with the flood.
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This is all of humanity from the oldest, however old he would have been in the anti-Diluvian
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period, probably some hundreds of years, to the youngest day old infant washed away in
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Because the sins of the fathers do indeed fall on the sons.
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And the children of wicked parents will in fact pay for the wickedness of their parents.
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Not always of course, but generally yes.
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If your parents were wicked, you most likely will suffer for their wickedness.
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Now you will suffer more if you are also wicked, you add wickedness to wickedness.
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The sins of the fathers do fall on the sons.
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That is simply the way things work.
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And just to start out, we could have of course started back earlier in Genesis because of
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One of the core truths, one of the core doctrines of our faith is that children do in some ways
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pay for, suffer for the sins of their parents.
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Because original sin is inherited sin, it is ancestral sin, which is the term used in
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some translations and some languages.
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Original sin is sin that was committed by our first parents, that we inherit, and this
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we meaning all of us who are born naturally of the union of man and woman.
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Christ of course, born without original sin because he was not born from the union of
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man and woman, and so he was not born from sinful seed.
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That is why Christ was born without sin.
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We are born from the union of man and woman.
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We are all born in and with sin.
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We all inherit that from our first parents.
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And so sin is a generational curse.
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There is the original sin, which is the sin we all inherit, and then there are other specific
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sins committed by previous generations in specific lines.
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And those who proceed from those lines will inherit to some degree the consequences of
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We see that in many ways.
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There are certain lines of people who are given over to certain kinds of sin.
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This does not mean that if you come from that line, you must necessarily commit that sin.
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You may very well have a predisposition toward that sin.
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You may be more likely to engage in that sin, and that is a burden that you will bear because
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of being the progeny of that line, because of the sin of your forebears.
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And one of the best examples of this, really, one of the easiest for people to understand
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and immediately grasp would be if you have a lot of inbreeding in your family line, you
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are going to suffer very obvious consequences of that, because there are consequences in
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the flesh of that behavior, of that sin, because of course it is a sin because it is prohibited
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by God, and there are very obvious consequences for it in our fallen world.
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But the basic point is that sin does not fall only on the individual.
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Sin also falls on those around the individual, and particularly on that man's family, on
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his children and grandchildren, great-grandchildren.
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That can continue to pursue the family as it were for many generations.
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Now of course, if you are a child of sinful parents, sinful grandparents, great-grandparents,
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it is incumbent on you to try to do the best with what you have been given.
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You are not to follow in the steps of your sinful forebears.
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Yes, you still have to honor them.
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The fourth commandment is still in play.
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We'll get into that more.
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But it is incumbent on you to do the best you can to turn around that family tradition
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as it were, to not follow in those sinful footsteps.
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And that's going to be a challenge, and we'll get into that in other parts of this episode.
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That is part of the reason that certain generations are viewed in a negative light, particularly
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by their progeny, because of what those generations have placed as a burden on their children.
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I think Noah is such a good example, because his family was saved for his sake.
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He was a faithful patriarch, so his wife and his children were faithful in obedience to
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But all of his friends, everyone else he had ever known his entire life, they were all
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killed in the flood.
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Everyone he had ever known, except for his own immediate family, were slaughtered by
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And I think the reason that the flood is such an important example of God's judgment of
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generations of groups collectively is that although there was tremendous wickedness in
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that day, naturally some men were going to be more wicked than others.
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Some men simply were doing more sin than others.
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They got up earlier in the morning.
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And so the idea that although there was a variability in the degree of their evil, the
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punishment was the same as we've talked about in some past episodes, is men, we think, well,
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that's not fair.
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Why would they all get the same treatment when they didn't commit the same crime?
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Well, God judged the generation, and he wiped them all out.
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And the only generation that he saved was Noah's immediate family.
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This is an episode that we're doing in part because we want to continue to whittle away
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at people's egalitarian enlightenment priors to believe that we are all individuals and
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everything that will ever happen to us is a product of us as individuals, when that's
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simply not scriptural.
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It's not Christian.
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As Corey said, you die because Adam ate the wrong piece of fruit, period.
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You inherited that evil, and it wouldn't have mattered if you lived a perfect life.
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You would still die because of what Adam did.
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He is your father, you inherit his evil.
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On top of it, we, of course, that's just off to the races.
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As men, we know that Adam eating a piece of fruit 6,000 years ago is by far the least
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of our problems.
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Nevertheless, that alone is sufficient for our death, and it was the reason that God
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had to send his only begotten Son to save us from all of that sin, the sin of history,
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the sin of our own personal action.
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All of it must be overcome on the cross because nothing else can make up for it.
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That is fundamentally what libertarians today call collectivism.
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If you have ever gone near libertarian thought, collectivism is the worst thing imaginable.
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You'll be subject to any manner of insane belief if it protects you from the boogeyman
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What God did to Noah's generation was, I mean, we don't really think about it in terms
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of collectivism, but that's what it was.
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He killed them all.
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He wiped them all.
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He dashed every baby on the rocks.
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The babies hadn't been doing as much evil as the old men, or the men who were in their
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prime as they were doing their evil.
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Nevertheless, they all ended up dead.
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They all ended up at the bottom of the ocean, an ocean that hadn't even been there before
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God raised up oceans from the deep and from the skies specifically to kill everyone, and
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it was only his mercy and in recognition of the promise that had been made to Adam to
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fulfill the promise of the Messiah through his bloodline.
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God had to preserve Noah so that he could keep his promise.
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It's not God's hands being tied.
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God can't lie in the sense that whatever God says is true, but that is the way that he
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fulfilled it by preserving them, even as the entire generation itself was punished.
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We touched on an important point there, and it ties back into the discussion of headship
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that we've gone over a number of times in a number of episodes, but when it comes down
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to it, the basic fact of reality is that you are going to have one of two heads.
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Originally, the head of humanity is, of course, Adam, ultimately God, because God is the head
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of Adam in the garden in his perfection, but Adam is the federal head of humanity, and
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so we are all contained, in a sense, in Adam.
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We all follow from Adam.
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We all flow from Adam.
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Adam is our federal head, and so Adam's actions are imputed to us.
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They actually are, in a very real way, our own.
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And you see this in Scripture, for instance, when it speaks of the Levites tithing to Melchizedek
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because they were still in Abraham at the time.
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But in the case of humanity, in the fall, Adam chose to have Satan as his head instead
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of God, and so for all of us who flow from Adam, Satan is now our federal head in our
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The only way to get out of that fallen state is to have another federal head.
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In this case, Christ.
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Christ is your head, if you are in Christ, which is to say, if you have faith, if you
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are adopted into the family of God, you become a child of God, a son of God, and Christ is
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In Christ being your head, you are now in Christ, you have His righteousness instead
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of the wickedness of the old Adam, because, of course, Adam also believed in the promise
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of the gospel, and so Adam himself is in Christ.
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But that's the point you either have as your head Christ or Satan, and that's the difference.
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You either have eternal life in Christ with Him as your head, or you have eternal death
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with Satan in the pit prepared for Him in His fallen angels.
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And we really lose sight of that fact when we focus on individualism, on the individual,
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particularly in the modern egalitarian context, because if you think of yourself simply as
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an individual, all of these things in Scripture seem very foreign.
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If I'm an individual, why does it matter what Adam did in the far distant past, what
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he did 6,000 years ago?
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How does that affect me?
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I'm not Adam, I didn't do that.
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That's if you're an individual, you don't understand how this works.
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You are affected by Adam because you flow from Adam, because you are in Adam, because
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you come from Adam.
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The same as you are affected by the things your father did, and his father did, and his
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father all the way back to Adam.
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You are not an individual.
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Now when I say that, of course, that's going to set some people's hair on fire, because
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they think that we're denying some sort of central truth or fundamental aspect of reality.
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But really, to some degree, what we're just doing is attacking an idol.
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When I say you aren't an individual, what I mean is that you are not the libertarian
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or the modernist conception of an individual.
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You're not a standalone island.
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You are connected to a vast number of people.
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Yes, in your daily life, you're connected to people in all of the ways that should immediately
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come to mind.
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Someone grows your food, someone made your clothing.
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Chances are you didn't do either of those.
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Just right now, I could start naming things on my desk that were made by other people,
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because all of them were made by other people, except for the handwritten notes I did happen
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to make those.
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I didn't make the paper or the pen that I used.
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But even more fundamentally than that, you are not an individual because you are the
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son or daughter of your mother and your father, and they are, respectively, son and daughter
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of their parents.
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And that goes all the way on and back.
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You are a collection of all of the people in your line.
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It may be that you have your eyes from a great-grandparent, and maybe someone who was alive at that time
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can see that person's eyes in you, and you start to notice more of this as you get older
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You'll start to see, well, that person has the same eyes as that person, or it's the
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same hair or all these little things because you're not an individual.
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God didn't make us to be isolated individuals.
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That's not what we are.
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We are a species.
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We live in communities first and foremost and fundamentally as a family, and then from
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a family up to a clan or a tribe and then a nation, and eventually up to humanity as
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So we all descend from Adam, and so we are all one greater whole in that sense.
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Yes, we are divided today into smaller groups, and we know that.
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Your immediate family is different in kind from the neighbor's immediate family.
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You have different duties to your brother by blood than you have to that neighbor.
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You still have duties to that neighbor, particularly because he is, in fact, a neighbor.
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But they're different in kind because there's a different relationship there because God
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designed us to live in these relationships, in these webs of relationships with other
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And so again, at risk of repeating myself ad nauseam, you are not an individual.
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You are a son or a daughter of your parents and grandparents and great grandparents.
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But it is important to keep that perspective.
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Because if you don't have that perspective, one, you are going to fundamentally misunderstand
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who and what you are, what God made you to be.
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But two, and in this case, perhaps more importantly, you are not going to understand scripture because
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you are going to be looking at scripture with alien eyes, and you will never understand
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what it is telling you.
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Because when you read through the Genesis narrative, when you read through the fall,
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you're going to think, why does this apply to me?
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Maybe it explains why the world is the way it is.
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But what effect does it have on me?
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I'm not in this story.
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You are in the story because you're in Adam, you're in Eve.
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You are contained in your first parents.
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That history is your history.
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What happens there flows down to you in time.
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And so this is a fundamental problem with the pre-Reformation sects, which is to say
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Rome and the East primarily.
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They deny the reality of original sin.
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And if you deny the reality of original sin, you will never understand the atonement.
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You will never understand why it was necessary for Christ to die on the cross in order to
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save you and the rest of believing humanity.
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To atone for the entirety of creation, yes, but of course the benefit accrues only to
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those who have faith.
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It is the objective, the universal justification versus the subjective, the personal justification,
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the latter being applied to individuals.
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But if you don't understand original sin, if you don't understand the fullness of the
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consequences of original sin, then you are going to miss the fullness of Christ's work.
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You are going to miss the nature of what he did on the cross.
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You are certainly going to miss the depth and the breadth of it.
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And there are Protestant groups that also do this because they would limit the atonement
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to a tiny group of people, the elect.
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When in reality, that for which Christ atoned was not just the elect.
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He atoned for all of creation because in Adam creation fell because Adam was created as
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the head of creation.
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That is the purpose of man.
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That is the role of man.
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We are the head of creation.
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We are to represent God in creation.
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That's part of what it means to be the image of God.
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That's a more complicated topic that we may get to eventually.
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But in being this representative of God in creation, in being the head of creation, what
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we do falls on creation.
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Similar to what a father does falls on his children.
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And so in Adam, the fullness of creation fell.
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And so in Christ, being the greater Adam, being the antitype to Adam's type, in Christ
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the fullness of creation was redeemed.
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He atoned for everything.
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And so that is the fundamental important point that we need to understand as Christians
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and why we cannot come to this looking at it through alien eyes of a modernist believing
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himself to be an individual.
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You have to look at these relationships at this, the fullness of this reality, the totality
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of what is happening.
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In Adam all fell.
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In Christ all is redeemed.
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That is the core of the Christian faith.
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And if you look at this scripture, if you look at these threads with, as I've said,
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alien eyes, you're going to miss that.
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I'm not saying that you will necessarily be damned if you don't understand these things.
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Because of course you can still have faith in Christ, a saving faith in Christ, if you
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don't understand why modernist ideology with regard to individuals and collectivism, etc.
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However, you are missing the fullness.
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You are not recognizing the true reality, the scope and the scale of what Christ did
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for us in his life, death and resurrection.
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And so you're missing the fullness of the faith, which is one of the things for which
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we are arguing so often on this podcast.
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We're not saying that if you don't get this right, that if you miss this particular thing,
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that if you misunderstand this, what have you?
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We're not saying you will not be a Christian, or that you are going to spend eternity in
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You can very well be a Christian and get many of these things wrong.
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Plenty of Christians do.
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But you are missing out on the fullness of the faith.
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God wants to give you super abundant gifts.
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God wants to give you more than you are ready to receive.
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And if you close yourself off from that, by ignoring the reality of what scripture says,
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by filtering everything through this modernist false lens, then you are simply missing out
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on what you could be as a Christian.
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Yes, of course, much of this will be cleared up in eternity.
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But why not start to realize these things here in time to benefit from the things that
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God wants to give you?
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That's why we are addressing these topics.
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That's why we bring up these issues.
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Because we want you to have a fuller, more profound faith, not drinking from the thimble
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that is modern theology, but drinking from the deep well that is scripture, that is the
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fullness of God's truth, of all of the gifts that He wants to give you.
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I think one of the best examples of how that plays into the way God uses generations goes
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back to our episode on election.
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We spent the first half of that talking about how God used the propagation of the faith
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through time to bring some men to faith, and other men did not receive the faith.
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That occurred generationally when we talked about how the Americas, North and South America,
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the men who came over on the land bridge, they did not propagate the faith.
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However it was lost between Mount Ararat and the Tower of Abel, and when they came
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across through Alaska or wherever.
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We don't know when the Christian faith was lost, when they lost the knowledge of God,
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but we do know that it was lost.
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We know that for hundreds of generations, the men who lived in the Americas, and also
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the men who lived in Sub-Saharan Africa, as we said in that episode, once you get away
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from modern-day Ethiopia and Sudan, right there on the coast, there's no evidence that
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there was any Christianity, any faith of any kind in those parts of the world for thousands
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and thousands of years.
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Those generations were all cursed by the faithlessness of their fathers, just as Noah's sons and
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their wives were saved by his faithfulness.
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They didn't necessarily do it.
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If they'd had a different father, they would have died in the flood as well.
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This is something that pops up in a smaller degree, not to the degree of a generation,
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but in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, when the angels came to Lot's house after they
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realized how wicked the place was, and they saw it with their own eyes as God has sent
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them, their response was to say to Lot, get your wife, get your daughters, get your son
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law, and if you have family here, you need to get him out of town tonight because we're
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going to destroy this place.
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Lot went to his sons-in-law and said, hey, God's going to destroy this place.
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You better leave with me right now.
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They laughed at him.
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They thought he was joking.
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They didn't take him seriously, and so they stayed behind.
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Now I think that's an interesting example of when we're talking about generational guilt
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because presumably his sons-in-law weren't the ones trying to rape the angels, and yet
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they still died in the conflagration that God sent because they were there.
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They were judged.
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They were destroyed for being there.
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That doesn't sound fair.
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All they had to do was not laugh at Lot.
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All they had to do was go with him, and they would have been saved too.
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His own wife looked over her shoulder.
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She looked back.
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She turned into a pillar of salt because they told them, leave.
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This place is cursed.
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She left, but she looked over her shoulder, and that small amount of doubt cost her life.
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The reason that the example of Lot and his family and Sodom and Gomorrah are important
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when we're talking about generations is that God collectively judges.
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That entire area was incinerated, everything, not just people, animals, plants.
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Everything was completely incinerated.
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God said, this area in particular, I am ending.
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Lot's family could have been saved if they had obeyed God, but because they disobeyed
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in the smallest possible ways, because they didn't take it as serious as they could have,
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they too died.
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When we talk about generations, again, we're just trying to make the basic, crucial fundamental
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point that judging a generation is what God does.
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120 generations in North and South America all went to hell.
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Because their fathers were faithless generation after generation.
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Once you've lost the knowledge of God, everybody goes to hell.
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The only way that that can be undone is when someone else comes and brings the gospel,
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which was the other half of that episode on election, is that it was only once Europeans
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went into deep, a starkest Africa, when they went into North and South America that they
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brought the gospel to a place that for the first time in 3,500 years hadn't had it.
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Over the very first time, all these generations that had belonged to Satan suddenly had the
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opportunity to hear the truth about God and to be saved by it.
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Part of the purpose of doing that election episode was to say that those generations
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of faithlessness were offset by many centuries of faithfulness in Europe.
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When the Christian faith left where it was born in the Middle East, in the end, it basically
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only thrived in Europe.
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There were a couple small corners elsewhere that didn't amount to anything in terms of
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propagating the faith.
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It was only in the places where generation after generation, faithfulness to God resulted
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in doctrine being preserved, and in some cases, corrupted were Lutherans.
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I think most people listening are probably some variation of post-reformation.
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Things went wrong because there was not perfect faithfulness.
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We can never be perfectly faithful.
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Yet even at that, when those generations had preserved the faith and then men started getting
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on boats from Europe and traveling all around the world, what did they do?
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They brought the gospel to places where for generations it had never existed.
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For the first time, in the fulfillment of the Great Commission, those Christian conquistadors
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and others who went to various parts of the world, they came flying the flag and they
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came carrying the cross.
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They conquered people and they subjugated them and they converted them.
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We talked in that episode as well.
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Forcible conversion doesn't sound like something that Christians want to hear about, and yet
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the same story is heard in Acts where a man would be baptized along with his whole household.
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That's a forcible conversion.
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The babies, the children, the slaves don't get a vote.
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If the man of the house says, we are a Christian household now, it goes for everyone under
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his domain in the same as true of kings.
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Unfaithful generation can turn back the clock, can undo the damage caused by previous generations,
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but as long as you're just looking at things in terms of individualism, it's much harder
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to recognize what the fix is because, yes, there is an aspect in which the fix is that
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each individual person needs to have the gospel brought to them, but at some point that doesn't
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That's not me saying something negative about the power of God's word.
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We know from history how God propagated his word, and it wasn't simply individual missionaries
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going hat in hand and sharing the gospel.
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It was often done under flag and under sword, and that is how God chose to spread his word.
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We're not necessarily calling for that today, but it's important recognition that when God
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used those means, they were efficacious.
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We can't doubt the results, and so a faithful generation begets future faithful generations,
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just as an unfaithful generation will damn all generations after it until someone else
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comes along and cleans up the mess.
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In the Americas and in Africa and in Asia, generation after generation, hellbound, hellbound, hellbound.
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Because their inheritance from their fathers was not only original sin, but complete ignorance
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of the word of God.
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That's damning all by itself.
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When a faithless generation comes along, it must be replaced.
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You need a generation of faithful men to undo the damage by bringing something that had
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These conversations around individualism versus collectivism, however, when you talk about
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it, they're fundamentally reaching the heart of the Christian faith, which is not individualist,
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yes, I have faith because God gave it to me personally.
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The Holy Spirit was placed in me.
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It wasn't placed over some zip code.
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However, I became a Christian because my dad was a Christian.
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My mom was a Christian.
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They made me a Christian.
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God made me a Christian through my parents.
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That generational bequeathing of the faith is how it works.
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And the reason that today we have faithless generations is that the inheritance from many
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of our own parents has not been one of Christianity.
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Part of the reason we're doing this episode is that it kind of a tie into last week's
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we talked about some of the small things that we can do to try to undo some of the damage
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that's been done.
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We need to recognize that there may be a generational discontinuity in the Christian life.
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If you were a new convert near listening, or if your parents were weak or whatever,
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if there was a lull and kind of the graph of Christianity in your ancestry and you're
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back on the upswing, be consciously aware of that.
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Know that you are turning the tide just as the tide has been turned many times before
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in many places by a faithless generation being replaced by a faithful one.
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It's okay to be conscious about this stuff.
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In a situation like we're in today where civilization is literally on the line, it is imperative
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that we be aware of the fact that generational faithlessness is a death sentence to civilization,
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to everyone, to all future generations.
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If we lose the faith, all of our children for 120 generations after us will all go to
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hell unless God sends someone else to bring the gospel to them.
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Our task is to bring the gospel to them.
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God will sort things out in his time, but if we are not a faithful generation, we have
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no reason to expect that our children and grandchildren will receive that.
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This is something that happens over and over in Scripture.
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When Joshua died, it describes his death and his burial, and it says, and they buried
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him within the boundaries of his inheritance in the hill country of Ephraim, north of the
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mountains of Gash, and all the generations also were gathered to their fathers.
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There arose another generation after them who did not know the Lord or the work that
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he had done for Israel, which is something that had happened in the previous generation
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with Moses, with the faithlessness of the Hebrew people, the Israelites when they were
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brought out of Egypt.
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They immediately sinned against God, and so they wandered in the Zet Desert for 40 years,
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specifically so that that entire generation could be judged and die.
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Not one of them was permitted into the Promised Land.
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Moses was one of the last to die.
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He was able to go and see the land of milk and honey, and then God killed him on the spot.
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He said, you can see it, but you're never going to be there because he disobeyed.
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Moses disobeyed in a small way, but it was enough for him to be included in the generation
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that never received the inheritance that had been promised to them.
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That inheritance was passed on to their children to receive as the next generation of believers.
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When Joshua was raised up, he began circumcision again.
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There had been no circumcision in the desert, and so a faithless generation was replaced
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by a faithful one, and still when Joshua died, the cycle happened again.
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This is something that's always been a part of the faith, and it's something that God
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continuously has to deal with us for.
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When he operates against and for generations, that is something that is a part of the Christian
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This stuff is intrinsic to how God operates in our lives, and we cannot ignore that.
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I think this is a good place to go over something that we actually haven't explicitly touched
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on yet in the podcast.
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That is the place of knowledge in the Christian faith, and what exactly we mean by knowledge
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when it comes to the Christian faith, and there are three different levels as it were
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when it comes to knowledge that are relevant for belief.
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Those three levels are called Noticia, Ascensus, and Fiducia, which just Latin for basically
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the first two you can probably understand, Notice and Ascent, and the last one is the
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Latin word from which we get fiduciary, so trust.
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Essentially, this is you have to take notice of the fact, ascent to the fact, and then
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trust in it.
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In the case of the Christian faith, of course, that is the core tenets of the Christian faith,
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you have to not merely know of them, ascent to them, you have to also trust in them.
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That is what it means to have faith in Christ.
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If that knowledge is lost, that does mean that the faith is lost.
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If you don't know the content of the Christian faith, if that was not passed down to you
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by your forefathers, it's gone.
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You are not going to get it back.
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Yes, we have frequently spoken on this podcast about natural revelation, but natural revelation
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does not reveal the gospel.
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That has to be written down, that has to be recorded in some way, that has to be transmitted
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from one generation to the next.
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And if you lose that, if you lose the scriptures, if you lose the gospel, you are not going
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to find it in nature, you are not going to get it back.
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It will have to be brought to you by some other people who did not lose it.
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And so we could just look at a quick example of this in the natural world.
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If you're making whiskey, let's say there are five steps, we're going to go with five,
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more complicated and that will simplify it.
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You have to grow barley, you have to malt the barley, you have to grind it, you have
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to ferment it, and then you have to distill.
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That's how you make whiskey.
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Any one of those steps, you could lose the knowledge necessary to perform it.
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If you lose that knowledge, you're never going to make whiskey.
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You may make something else, but you will not make whiskey.
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Because you need that knowledge at each one of those steps in order to make the actual
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And so if you forget how to grow barley, well, you're not going to make whiskey, at least
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not barley based whiskey.
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If you forget how to malt, you're certainly not going to make malt whiskey.
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If you forget how to ferment, you're not going to have the starting product you need for
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the distillation process.
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And so you need this knowledge to produce the desired end result.
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The same is true in the Christian faith.
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You need the knowledge of God, you need the knowledge of the gospel, you certainly need
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the knowledge of original sin and of sin generally, because if you don't have that, you're not
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going to think you need the gospel and you're never going to believe in it.
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But you need this knowledge in order to have faith.
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Faith is more than knowledge, as I said, three levels, the final being trust, which is actual
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But you need the other two upon which you build that faith.
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Because you have to know of the law.
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You have to know of the gospel.
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You have to assent to the truth of them, and then you have to believe in the gospel.
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You have to believe that Christ died for you, washed away your sins.
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And so the point here is that if the forefathers of a particular people, if a particular generation
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at some point in the past failed to pass down this knowledge, the children of that generation
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and the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren will all suffer for that wickedness because
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they will all be damned, because they will not have the knowledge necessary to have the
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And so a prior generation, a wicked generation at some point in the past, can damn every
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generation that proceeds from it unless some outside party comes in and re-delivers the
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truth and transmits that knowledge that the wicked generation failed to transmit.
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And we see that as with the whiskey example.
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This is very obviously something that can happen in reality.
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There are things that our ancestors in some distant past knew how to do that we don't
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really know how to do today.
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We could very easily lose things that we know how to do today, tomorrow.
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The faith is not different from these things that we see in the so-called secular world,
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at least not different in kind.
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Because it is still knowledge and knowledge has to be transmitted.
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And if the knowledge is not transmitted, you can never achieve the end goal for which that
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knowledge is necessary.
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One last verse that I wanted to pull in just to establish the legitimacy of speaking of
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generations as having properties comes from Jesus himself.
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When the crowds were increasing, Jesus began to say, this generation is an evil generation.
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It seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah.
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For as Jonah became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so will the Son of Man be to this
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Now when Jesus said that, the disciples were present, there were obviously some living
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Jews in that day who received faith, who believed in him, and who were saved.
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And yet he said, this is an evil generation.
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Jesus did not misspeak when he said that.
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Jesus was describing accurately the generation of Jews in that day, and frankly, every generation
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since, because their inheritance was one of rejecting Christ, which is why Christianity
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ended up leaving the Middle East and being eventually all but exterminated there.
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When we speak about generations, just as when we speak about races, or when we speak about
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sexes, these are properties of the world, they're properties of creation, they're how
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God makes us.
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I am born of a certain generation.
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Someone who's 40 years younger than me is clearly a different generation.
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That's the way it works.
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You're born, you live, you die.
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It's a recurring theme in scripture, it's a recurring theme in everything because it
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is the recurring theme of the universe.
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We know from astronomy even stars have a birth, life, and death cycle.
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It's the way everything works.
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God is immortal.
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Everything else comes and goes.
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A generation, it's more generally kind of now moving away from scripture a little bit.
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Generation is just the current people who are living.
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I think that's one of the important things to deal with in this section is that historically
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it's always been understood that your generation is just whoever's alive.
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The generation of Noah, it wasn't people between 25 and 54, it wasn't the key demo.
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It was everyone.
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Who's alive is the current generation.
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Jesus was referring to the same thing in his day when he was preaching.
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This is an evil generation.
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It was all the people who were alive.
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The former generation wasn't being spoken to.
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The next generation wasn't being spoken to.
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I think that generations are slightly distinct from some of the other categories that we've
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talked about in the past for the reason that it's an inherent property not based on how
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you're begotten but when you're begotten.
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I think everybody knows at this point, if you believe me, I'm a white guy.
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If someone is a black guy, he might be my neighbor, but he's not my brother according
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to the flesh.
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I would hope that he would be my brother according to the faith.
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He may well be in my generation.
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If we were born in a similar time, if we had similar experiences, in the more narrow modern
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idea of a generation, if we're roughly the same age with similar socioeconomic status,
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I'm a black guy, absolutely the same generation because we're alive at the same time experiencing
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many of the same things.
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I think one of the things that white people really do ridiculously coming from libs primarily
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is when African-Americans talk about having black culture, we try to say, no, you're American.
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You have American culture.
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You don't have black culture.
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A, that's false on its face, but B, they have their stuff and they want it.
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If you want to make a value judgment about whether one culture is better than another,
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that's entirely legitimate, but it's not legitimate to say, no, you don't have any culture at
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all because if I'm born at the same time as a black guy and yet we have very different
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upbringings and very different experiences, which is usually the case, we're in overlapping
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generations, but there's not the familiarity of brotherhood that would be there if we had
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the same sort of upbringing.
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I think that's one of the things that makes discussion of generation today trickier is
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that it just happens by virtue of when you're born and it used to be that when you were
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born didn't have, it had a much broader impact than I think it does today because there was
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much more of a monoculture in the past.
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What I mean by that is that with the advent of mass media and then today almost in micromedia,
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we moved away from being shaped by our family and by our faith and by the nations that we
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lived in and became more and more shaped by pop culture, by culture that could be brought
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by a salesman selling you a book or a movie or a video game or whatever it is today, something
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that can be brought in that you can say, yes, this is what I'm going to spend my time and
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my energy and my focus on, can very easily become your own personal culture that you'll
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share with other people with similar interests.
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What's happened is that before mass media, before all of this stuff was so readily available,
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people pretty much were on the same page.
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What's happened really in the last century or two is that we've begun more and more and
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more to bifurcate so that although I was born in a certain time and I have some commonality
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with people born in my age, I had so many options available to me that the books that
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I read, the movies that I watched, the summer camps that I went to, all those things that
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produced the particularity of my interests and who I am today may be completely alien
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to someone else.
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Although we may be from the same generation, it may not matter anymore.
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I think one of the things that's worth thinking about as a person, I think that's incredibly
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I think for so many people to be living in the same place at the same time and to have
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mutually alien experiences is fundamentally harmful because if somebody was born at the
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same time as me, but I have nothing in common with them except for maybe religion, but even
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that only goes so far.
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There's a lot to talk about in life besides religion.
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If all your experiences are alien to me, what are we going to talk about?
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You're going to talk about how weird your childhood was.
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At some point, you have to have commonality.
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It's exciting to meet someone with similar interests, with similar background because
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you feel that you're part of a mutual generation.
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What's changed is that those generations have been winnowed.
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We call them subcultures really, but it's like a generation doesn't have the same continuity
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that it used to.
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I think it's something that's really hurt us as human beings to be chopped up in these
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bits and pieces based on distinct experiences that can be radically different from someone
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maybe even just living down the street because he was visiting different web forms in you
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or because he played sports and you didn't because not everyone played sports anymore.
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Whatever the differences are, when you start chopping people up to the point that they can
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be neighbors, they can be from the same blood, but they can have a fundamentally alien culture,
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it kind of breaks the generational cohesion that I think God has always wanted for us.
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I think for those of us who grew up in large cities, we can see this even more distinctly
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because if you grew up in a small town, 500 people, you were even perhaps, there are going
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to be a lot of similarities simply because of the scale of things.
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You are going to have done fairly similar things during the summer in your childhood.
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You are going to have gone to the same places after school, etc., things like that.
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But if you grew up in a really big city, in my case I grew up in LA, there are many, many
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different little subcultures here and there.
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And you're going to have that even within your own high school, granted my high school
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is fairly large.
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I think my graduating class was over a thousand students, but you're going to be divided into
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these little groups and not really have a shared culture as would have been the case
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in the past.
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Now we're not saying that everyone has to be conformist, as it were, and everyone have
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exactly the same preferences and the same hobbies, and no, that's not the point.
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But the issue is, if there's no overlap, then you're really living in a nation of aliens,
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even being alien from his neighbor and everyone else.
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If you don't have these things in common, then you don't have anything you share with
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And that makes him your neighbor by virtue only of proximity, which, yes, that is the
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core sense of what it means to be a neighbor, a neighbor is the person next door.
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But in a functioning society, the person who is next door will also share many things with
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You'll have the same religion, you'll have some of the same taste, you'll have some
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of the same hobbies, you will be able to get along with and talk to this person about more
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than just what you did for an hour on Sunday.
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It's not to say the church is not important.
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Of course it is.
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It is among the most important things in life, but it is not the only important thing in
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And so we really need to think about what it is that we have had handed to us by previous
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generations and what we have continued to make our own.
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Because yes, this fracturing of the culture, these micro cultures that were created in
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decades past, they were passed to us, but we've entrenched them and we continue to engage
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And we don't really cross these little lines that we've built.
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And so you know the goths go over here, the jocks go over here, the coffee culture goes
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It's all these little groups of the various little hobbies that people have.
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And that's not how human beings are supposed to live.
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Yes, it's important to have your core group of friends and that's fine.
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That's part of life.
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That's part of what it means to be a human being.
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But the fullness of what it means to be a human being is greater than that.
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And church can, of course, help with that because just by the very nature of church,
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you are going to have some crossing of these micro cultural lines will call them because
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you're going to have people together on Sunday, preferably for more than just an hour, but
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together on Sunday for at least an hour who have different hobbies, who have taken very
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different paths in life, who have very different jobs.
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And it's important to have that mixing as it were in society.
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Because if you start to stratify and isolate and fracture your society down into these
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tiny groups, you no longer have a nation, you no longer even really have a culture.
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And that is what we see today.
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The US, as I've said before, really America, if I want to be more specific, the US is a
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number of nations.
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America is also, to some degree, not one fully cohesive nation, because you have different
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subgroups, subnations, really, within America, partly due to geography, because the US is
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vast by historical standards.
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And of course, they're going people who think, well, Rome, etc. were fairly large.
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Yes, of course.
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But Rome never contended to be one nation.
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Rome was an empire.
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An empire is a collection of nations, or a collection of countries under one central
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America is a nation, but it is a nation that increasingly shares little in common with
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itself, which is to say, again, we have a neighbor, but we don't necessarily share anything
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We should be making an effort, as Americans, and also as Christians, to actually have something
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in common with our neighbors, to share something with them more than simple proximity.
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Because God wants us to have more than what we have built for ourselves.
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God didn't design us to spend all of our time in our own homes, isolated, consuming
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media tailored to us and ignoring the greater world.
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That's not what it means to be a human being.
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We have created these little fractured worlds for ourselves that are mere shadows of what
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God clearly wanted for us, what he gave us.
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And so part of this is going to be that this generation is going to have to put in a lot
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of hard work in order to break what has become a cycle and attempt to restore actual normalcy.
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What it means to be a human being living in society, among other human beings.
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And that is going to be a challenge.
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Like I said, that is going to be hard work.
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None of this is going to be easy.
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Because by and large, we've become accustomed to something that is totally unnatural.
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And human beings are very good at becoming accustomed to things.
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We can adjust to or at least suffer through almost anything.
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Just look at prisoners of war.
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They can survive sometimes many years, sometimes more than a decade in extremely harsh conditions.
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Because humans are very adaptable.
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That can be used for good or for ill.
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When it is used as resiliency, it is used to survive periods of stress and trial, that
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When it is used to adjust to what we have today to a fundamental inversion of what society
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and culture should actually be, it is no longer good.
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Because we have misused it.
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We have misapplied it.
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We have used it toward wicked ends.
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That's not to say that it started out.
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It was used toward wicked ends.
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Because to some degree, the younger members of Gen X and millennials and we'll get more
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into these lines in a little bit.
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But to some degree, we were born into a world where this was already the case.
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And so this was merely adapting to the world which was given to us.
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That's good to some degree because yes, you have to survive in the world that was handed
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to you by your parents and your grandparents.
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But that doesn't mean that you keep it the way that they made it if it is not good.
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And so part of our task is to reverse some of these things, to return to a more natural
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way of living, to align ourselves with what God clearly wanted for humanity instead of
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what we have built in the last, say, 100, 150 years in the modern world.
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One of the things that changed about man's understanding of generations in the last 100,
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150 years was that it went from being just those who are alive during a certain period
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to really being more about these smaller cohorts that today, most of the discussion, pretty
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much all the discussion that you hear today around generations, like the baby boom generation,
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for example, that's a marketing term that was specifically designed.
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It's something that's used by marketers to figure out the purchasing cohort for preferences
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in a capitalist sense.
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Who wants to buy cruises and time shares versus who wants to buy whatever else?
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You have some people with a lot of money and they have certain tastes, other people with
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less resources and different tastes.
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There tend to be generational breakdowns there, so let's call those the generations.
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That's really where we are today and that's where most of the conversation is around.
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One of the reasons we're talking about this today and we're going to end by specifically
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talking about baby boomers was that if your view of what a generation is is shaped entirely
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by marketers, then yes, it would be absolutely unfair to say what Jesus said, but this is
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an evil generation.
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How could you say that?
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If I look at the sins of the baby boomers and say, well, this is bad and this is bad,
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then they retort as they always do by saying, well, what about what this generation does
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and this thing and this thing?
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They're not wrong.
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These things are, regardless of whose sin is worse or who has accumulated a greater amount
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of sins, there's something wrong with every generation beyond any shadow of a doubt.
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If the generations, as they're described today, these smaller generations, if it's really
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just a marketing cohort, then yeah, who cares?
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Why would you pick on the older people when the younger people have these different problems
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that are in some ways worse?
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I think it's important to understand that one of the things that we've lost by comprehending
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ourselves in terms of those marketing cohorts is that if you think of all the living as
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sort of a horizontal stack where you have the oldest at the bottom and then the youngest
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at the top, if you think about everyone who's alive at a certain point in terms of continuity,
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it's very different than if you think about it in terms of this discontinuous marketing
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segmentation that we have.
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So it used to be the generations of, for example, fathers, children, grandchildren.
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Those are generations too.
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That's something we all understand and we're not trying to redefine it.
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As people have been having kids older and older, it means that you're less and less likely
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to ever know your grandparents or certainly your great-grandparents.
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I'm sure there are many kids alive today who were born after their great-grandparents
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That didn't used to be the case.
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Generations used to be closer together, the father to son sort of generation, such that
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the living generation could very easily encompass four or even five generations.
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When we lose that, we're losing the sort of vertical continuity of family that, going
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back to the first segment, is such a vital part of perpetuating not only faith but also
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culture in general.
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One of the things that's terrible about the so-called modern family is that there's typically
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no extended family around.
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So when a couple, they're 33, 34 years old, they have their first kid, we're the grandparents.
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Probably grandma might fly out for a couple months to help and then she goes home and
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moms by herself again.
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That's messed up.
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We talked last week about how much I had moved around as a kid and hoping that as a culture
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we'll get away from doing that.
01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:32.320
Think about what that does for family formation when the older generations are nowhere to
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:33.480
01:03:33.480 --> 01:03:37.720
Even if they exist, even you see them at Christmas or whatever and they send presents and we
01:03:37.720 --> 01:03:42.800
have FaceTime video and things so you can have some kind of socialization.
01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:48.000
But it's nothing like having your mother and your aunts and your cousins and your grandmother
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.720
all there to help care for you new baby.
01:03:50.720 --> 01:03:52.680
That's a fundamentally different thing.
01:03:52.680 --> 01:03:58.760
And so I think one of the things that we've lost by believing the modern marketer version
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:05.360
of generations where you have these adversarial groups of purchasing cohorts, it turns us
01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:12.880
into these economic cogs and strips us of the vertical orientation that we have relative
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:17.320
to each other when it comes to taking care of family.
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:22.920
You know, of course, I spent a lot of time emphasizing the family nature of generations.
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:27.640
That's something that you lose when you just think about it in terms of demographics.
01:04:27.640 --> 01:04:32.120
You can wrap data science around the stuff all you want.
01:04:32.120 --> 01:04:37.160
But in the end, it's fundamentally a question about do we have relationships with older
01:04:37.160 --> 01:04:41.600
and younger generations and our own families and then more broadly.
01:04:41.600 --> 01:04:46.520
I can tell you one of the things that's really surprised me for the last few years and one
01:04:46.520 --> 01:04:50.600
of the reasons I wanted to do this episode in particular is that a lot of guys I talk
01:04:50.600 --> 01:04:53.080
to are about half my age.
01:04:53.080 --> 01:04:59.480
And I'm thankful to talk to those guys so frequently because if I didn't hear them talking about
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their own lives, I would say the stupidest things imaginable about what their lives would
01:05:06.720 --> 01:05:10.400
be like or should be like or how they could do things differently.
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:15.200
Because if I were just sitting resting on my own laurels from my experience growing up,
01:05:15.200 --> 01:05:21.400
you know, not that many years prior to them, I'm a reasonably intelligent guy.
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.000
I have pretty good common sense.
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:26.240
I generally have some degree of wisdom in most things.
01:05:26.240 --> 01:05:31.240
And yet my conclusions, if I weren't talking to these younger men, would be utterly retarded.
01:05:31.240 --> 01:05:35.800
I would be saying the stupidest, most pernicious things imaginable because I wouldn't have
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:37.800
known what their experience was.
01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:40.880
I would assume that what was a little bit different than mine, but it can't be that
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:42.240
01:05:42.240 --> 01:05:48.600
I'm here to tell you, if you are not talking to young men and women and their teens in
01:05:48.600 --> 01:05:52.040
early 20s, you have no idea.
01:05:52.040 --> 01:05:57.760
And I say this specifically because if you're giving them advice and you're not first listening
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.760
to them, you're going to give them terrible advice.
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.560
I know this because I would be giving terrible advice.
01:06:03.560 --> 01:06:08.880
I would be making stupid and lame comments all the time about things if I weren't hearing
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.200
them and listening to them talk about what they deal with.
01:06:12.200 --> 01:06:16.400
Because it's utterly alien to my experience in ways that I can't understand.
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:21.400
In its mutual alienation, they have no idea what it was like growing up in my generation.
01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:24.520
That's something that's totally unnatural.
01:06:24.520 --> 01:06:28.000
The world is not supposed to be changing that rapidly.
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:33.480
That's something we're talking about the last segment is that the duty of the elder generation
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:38.400
is to prevent such chaotic change from occurring in the younger generations because it just
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:40.400
tears everything apart.
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:47.160
How can you possibly propagate wisdom in a society when the guy who's 20 and the guy
01:06:48.080 --> 01:06:54.080
who's 60 and the guy who's 80 all have such completely different experiences that if the
01:06:54.080 --> 01:06:58.520
20-year-old asks the 60 or the 80-year-old or even the 40-year-old, he's going to get
01:06:58.520 --> 01:06:59.520
01:06:59.520 --> 01:07:03.520
He's going to say, what do I do about girls these days?
01:07:03.520 --> 01:07:07.320
These old guys are going to, they're just going to have a head full of rocks.
01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:11.160
Whatever advice they have, even if it was good advice when they were kids, it's going
01:07:11.160 --> 01:07:16.720
to be bad advice because they're not dealing, I hate to say, but in the same context, that's
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:22.360
a weasel word that a lot of people abuse, but unless you're seeing and experiencing
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:28.240
how much things have changed, you don't understand how much worse it is for the younger generations.
01:07:28.240 --> 01:07:29.680
We've done that to them.
01:07:29.680 --> 01:07:33.840
We have given them a world that is on fire and they don't know any better.
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:40.120
If young people knew the world that boomers had, there would be a bloodbath.
01:07:40.120 --> 01:07:44.320
I think that's part of the reason that there's a lot of boomer hate today is that when younger
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:51.360
people see high school videos from the 90s and 80s film, they don't believe it's real,
01:07:53.080 --> 01:07:55.280
whereas someone who's from that period when they look at it, they think, well, that's
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:56.280
01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:57.800
Of course, that's what it looks like.
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:01.960
In some cases, you look at high school today and high school then, and an older person
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:07.360
maybe looks at it and can't even tell the difference, but a younger person sees a world
01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:09.720
that they've never even known.
01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:15.880
That's the kind of alienation that's occurred because generations are not seeking to preserve
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:19.240
sanity for their own children.
01:08:19.240 --> 01:08:24.320
I hope that if you get nothing else from this episode, please consider actually talking
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to and listening to younger people.
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.040
Not in some hippie, oh, we got to learn from the children thing.
01:08:30.040 --> 01:08:33.520
A lot of times, these young guys have no idea how bad it is.
01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:37.880
I listen to them and I understand in some ways what they're saying better than they
01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:43.440
do, but if I weren't listening to them, I would have idiotic things to say about what
01:08:43.440 --> 01:08:46.840
their lives are like because I wouldn't know the specifics.
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:50.920
They have the specifics, but they don't understand the context historically or the context of
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:55.800
even what their parents and their grandparents experienced that was so different than them
01:08:55.800 --> 01:09:00.040
that there's a mutual unintelligibility.
01:09:00.040 --> 01:09:05.700
It's really a crisis for a civilization when a father and a son can't talk about something
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and reach a sane conclusion.
01:09:08.420 --> 01:09:09.920
That is terrible.
01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:16.700
To some degree, that's really the story of the last, say, century and a half since maybe
01:09:16.700 --> 01:09:23.460
the 1880s to, well, today, but we don't know when it will stop yet.
01:09:23.460 --> 01:09:31.300
We've just had constant upheaval every decade or so, and it is getting worse.
01:09:31.300 --> 01:09:39.300
To some degree, the more recent generations have made it worse in a way that is different
01:09:39.300 --> 01:09:47.660
in degree, but so almost in kind from previous generations because you have these major upheavals
01:09:47.660 --> 01:09:53.900
and we could, of course, go over the history, but most people probably know the rough outlines.
01:09:53.900 --> 01:09:57.500
You have, of course, the world wars, you have the Great Depression, you have the Korean
01:09:57.500 --> 01:10:00.780
War, the Vietnam War, the Spanish American War.
01:10:00.780 --> 01:10:07.300
Something that many people forget is the American Indian Wars didn't end until the 1920s, started
01:10:07.300 --> 01:10:10.780
in the 1600s, went for the fullness of three centuries.
01:10:10.780 --> 01:10:16.100
All of these upheavals, many of them have been to some degree externally caused, but
01:10:16.100 --> 01:10:22.220
the difference in kind for the baby boomers is that many of the problems they have given
01:10:22.220 --> 01:10:28.580
to their children and grandchildren were not externally caused.
01:10:28.580 --> 01:10:32.140
The baby boomers imported these issues.
01:10:32.140 --> 01:10:35.460
The baby boomers created these issues.
01:10:35.460 --> 01:10:40.180
And that is part of why you see this growing resentment on the part of millennials and
01:10:40.180 --> 01:10:45.380
younger when it comes to the older generations, because as was mentioned, millennials and
01:10:45.380 --> 01:10:49.860
younger see what these older generations had.
01:10:49.860 --> 01:10:55.260
And what we do not have, which means that the baby boomers failed to preserve it and
01:10:55.260 --> 01:11:01.500
failed to pass it on, which, of course, is one of the fundamental duties of older generations,
01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:07.260
of parents, is to pass to their children what was passed to them by their parents and to
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do so in a way that is better.
01:11:10.620 --> 01:11:15.420
It is not just to preserve the principle, but to grow it and to pass more to the future
01:11:15.420 --> 01:11:19.900
generation than was passed to you by previous generations.
01:11:19.900 --> 01:11:26.420
And in the case of the baby boomers, they were handed more than almost any other generation
01:11:26.420 --> 01:11:29.700
in history, particularly in the American context.
01:11:29.700 --> 01:11:35.780
There are obviously some nuances in some contexts in other parts of the world, particularly
01:11:35.780 --> 01:11:42.100
Central Europe recovering from the world wars and having to deal in the East with communism,
01:11:42.100 --> 01:11:44.100
with the USSR.
01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:47.940
But in the American context, you had a peaceful society.
01:11:47.940 --> 01:11:50.740
You had a prosperous society.
01:11:50.740 --> 01:11:54.800
You had almost everything going for that generation.
01:11:54.800 --> 01:12:00.620
You could go out and get a job simply by walking in somewhere and talking to the owner.
01:12:00.620 --> 01:12:05.760
Many baby boomers will tell younger generation today, well, you should just go hit the paper
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:09.240
document with your printed resume, and that's not how it works now.
01:12:09.240 --> 01:12:11.000
They don't understand.
01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:15.400
You wind up having to fill out a thousand applications on a bunch of different websites
01:12:15.400 --> 01:12:18.020
and then maybe someone calls you back.
01:12:18.020 --> 01:12:20.520
These are fundamentally different worlds.
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.360
And so as was mentioned, the older generations give terrible advice on these things because
01:12:24.360 --> 01:12:28.780
they do not understand the reality of the modern world.
01:12:28.780 --> 01:12:33.680
If you ask for advice from the older generations about the opposite sex, you will get fundamentally
01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:38.680
terrible advice in the modern context, because they do not understand the world that they
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:41.560
created and passed to their children.
01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:46.600
Because don't forget, they were the ones who created this by doubling down on what happened
01:12:46.600 --> 01:12:49.300
in the sixties.
01:12:49.300 --> 01:12:55.620
By doubling down on the evils of their parents and passing that on to their children.
01:12:55.620 --> 01:13:01.100
Because when you look at the reality of what we have today, the absolute chaos between
01:13:01.100 --> 01:13:08.160
the sexes, and you have an untold number of women producing pornography in their spare
01:13:08.160 --> 01:13:14.500
time as it were, you have men who don't even consider dating.
01:13:14.500 --> 01:13:16.920
And of course, I could just continue listing the problems.
01:13:16.920 --> 01:13:19.200
They are legion at this point.
01:13:19.200 --> 01:13:26.640
But all of these problems are the progeny of the profligate nature of the behavior of
01:13:26.640 --> 01:13:30.160
those who live through the sixties.
01:13:30.160 --> 01:13:35.260
We are living in the consequences of the sexual revolution.
01:13:35.260 --> 01:13:38.780
Of course, it is still getting worse, because as we have mentioned many times before, there
01:13:38.780 --> 01:13:40.020
is no floor with sin.
01:13:40.020 --> 01:13:41.300
It can always get worse.
01:13:41.300 --> 01:13:45.700
There is no bottom things can always get worse.
01:13:45.700 --> 01:13:49.100
And so there is no point at which you should say, Well, I shouldn't bother to do anything
01:13:49.100 --> 01:13:50.580
because this is as bad as it can get.
01:13:50.580 --> 01:13:52.500
No, it can get worse.
01:13:52.500 --> 01:13:58.940
And so you should always try to arrest the free fall and to turn things around.
01:13:58.940 --> 01:13:59.940
And we're living in that.
01:13:59.940 --> 01:14:03.360
And so if you ask the older generations for advice on dating, they will give you advice
01:14:03.360 --> 01:14:08.600
that may be made sense in the fifties, or even perhaps in part of the sixties, if you
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:15.200
weren't in the worst areas of the country, but certainly won't make sense today.
01:14:15.200 --> 01:14:18.920
And this causes a real divide between these generations.
01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:22.120
You have essentially the older generation and the younger generation.
01:14:22.120 --> 01:14:27.160
Yes, we could divide things up and, you know, the lost greatest silent boomers, Gen X, Millennials
01:14:27.180 --> 01:14:32.100
and Gen Z, and Gen Alpha, now the more recent one, but why?
01:14:32.100 --> 01:14:36.580
It really comes down to there is a fundamental divide between those who belong to the older
01:14:36.580 --> 01:14:40.780
generation, which you can use baby boomers as the shorthand, and those who belong to
01:14:40.780 --> 01:14:44.260
the younger generation, which is basically Millennials and Younger.
01:14:44.260 --> 01:14:50.460
Yes, Gen X, we do realize that you exist, but you don't really exist because the older
01:14:50.460 --> 01:14:54.900
members of Gen X or baby boomers, the younger members of Gen X or Millennials.
01:14:54.900 --> 01:14:56.780
That's how this really plays out.
01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:04.800
It's sort of a before and after watershed moment where you have those who lived in this
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:14.800
almost idyllic, almost paradisical reality of the postwar period in the U.S.
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:19.760
And those who were born after that had all been squandered.
01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:23.040
That's the divide between these two generations, really.
01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:31.380
And that is why many in the younger generation feel enmity with the older generation.
01:15:31.380 --> 01:15:36.140
For those anyway who recognize what has been lost, as was mentioned, many in the truly
01:15:36.140 --> 01:15:39.980
younger part of the younger generation don't recognize what was lost.
01:15:39.980 --> 01:15:42.460
They did not grow up with it.
01:15:42.460 --> 01:15:44.420
They didn't even grow up with the promise of it.
01:15:44.420 --> 01:15:49.260
They didn't even grow up with the idea of it because it is so alien to them because
01:15:49.260 --> 01:15:54.200
what they were given by their parents and grandparents is so fundamentally different
01:15:54.200 --> 01:15:59.540
that they cannot even conceptualize what the world was like in the U.S. in the 40s and
01:15:59.540 --> 01:16:01.780
01:16:01.780 --> 01:16:08.040
And there's no chance they could conceptualize what it was like in the 10s and the 20s, before
01:16:08.040 --> 01:16:12.320
of course the Depression hit.
01:16:12.320 --> 01:16:18.080
But for Millennials, for the older Millennials, in this case this would, I am an older millennial,
01:16:18.080 --> 01:16:24.340
from 1985, we are, to some degree, on the cusp of it.
01:16:24.340 --> 01:16:29.360
Because yes, for the younger members of Gen X, they got to experience some of the good
01:16:29.360 --> 01:16:33.680
times as it were, and then watch, and they are still watching, of course, as things are
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:35.540
01:16:35.540 --> 01:16:40.120
But Millennials, we were the turning point, really, in very many ways.
01:16:40.120 --> 01:16:45.240
Because we were the ones who could see what our parents had when they grew up.
01:16:45.240 --> 01:16:46.320
So we understood that.
01:16:46.320 --> 01:16:50.800
We saw what the world was like for them, and it still was, in some parts of the country.
01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:55.160
And then, particularly for those of us who grew up in some of the coastal regions or
01:16:55.160 --> 01:17:01.860
larger cities, we watched the whole progression as things collapsed.
01:17:01.860 --> 01:17:05.880
And we were given the terrible advice all along the way.
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:11.160
Gen Z, as it were, and younger, don't necessarily ask boomers and older for advice, because
01:17:11.160 --> 01:17:14.600
in part they recognize they're going to get terrible advice, and in part they just don't
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:15.600
01:17:15.600 --> 01:17:19.120
But for Millennials, well, the baby boomers were our parents.
01:17:19.120 --> 01:17:24.440
So of course, we were given advice by them all along the way.
01:17:24.440 --> 01:17:28.160
But as a generation, I don't mean just to complain as a millennial, I'm simply highlighting
01:17:28.160 --> 01:17:32.800
the reality of what happened, both for the younger listeners and for the handful of older
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:38.320
listeners we have to understand the perspective, understand what happened to the younger generations.
01:17:38.320 --> 01:17:42.520
But for Millennials, one of the most common refrains that we heard, and talked to any
01:17:42.520 --> 01:17:46.960
millennial, and he will agree with me on this one, we were told, you have to go to
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.360
university or else you'll work at McDonald's.
01:17:49.360 --> 01:17:51.660
And it was always McDonald's.
01:17:51.660 --> 01:17:52.660
Almost always anyway.
01:17:52.660 --> 01:17:55.800
I assume some parts of the country, maybe it was Burger King or Carl's Jr.
01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:56.800
What have you.
01:17:56.800 --> 01:18:01.040
But it was go to university or you'll work in fast food.
01:18:01.040 --> 01:18:04.000
And so many of us went to university.
01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:11.040
We are probably the most educated generation, possibly in history.
01:18:11.040 --> 01:18:14.160
We have some of the most degrees and advanced degrees.
01:18:14.160 --> 01:18:20.240
And so we were told, if you go to university, if you get this degree, if you put in this
01:18:20.240 --> 01:18:25.560
work this time this effort, if you devote these four years of your life, and leaving
01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.920
aside all the problems that cause particularly with female students, we were told you would
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.600
have a good job, it would be waiting for you.
01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:35.800
And you could build a good life like your parents and your grandparents had, you would
01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:40.920
be able to get the big house and the dog and go on vacations and all of these things.
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:45.000
All the things the boomers have and took for a given.
01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:51.800
And that didn't happen because boomers crashed the economy and wiped out those jobs and then
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:56.920
imported millions of foreigners to destroy the labor market.
01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:01.360
And so when millennials graduated, those jobs didn't exist.
01:19:01.360 --> 01:19:06.000
And then came the second punch from the boomers as it were.
01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:12.120
Millennials were told, after we had been told when we were younger, you have to go to university
01:19:12.120 --> 01:19:15.680
or you'll work at McDonald's, we were told, oh, are you too good to work at McDonald's
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:17.760
with your bachelors?
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:19.520
And that's what happened.
01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:21.200
And that's just been the case all along.
01:19:21.200 --> 01:19:23.920
There are so many examples of this that could be given.
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:27.560
There's the example of student loans where you had the boomer generation who could pay
01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:36.440
for university with a summer job versus millennials, where for many it was six figures, low six
01:19:36.440 --> 01:19:38.280
figures, but still six figures.
01:19:38.280 --> 01:19:45.640
So you would come out of university $100,000 in debt if you went on to get a master's degree.
01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:46.640
God help you.
01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:50.840
You came out of university $200,000 plus in debt.
01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:56.600
And so sometimes what millennials and younger, but very much millennials in this case would
01:19:56.600 --> 01:20:02.440
hear from boomers is that they started with nothing and they had to build up and build
01:20:02.440 --> 01:20:04.920
this life for themselves.
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:07.600
Millennials didn't start with nothing.
01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:13.040
Millennials started in a really deep hole because the housing market had skyrocketed,
01:20:13.040 --> 01:20:14.840
so you couldn't buy a house.
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:19.840
You came out of university with this massive debt burden, so you couldn't possibly save
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:24.280
for a down payment even if you could afford the house because you couldn't get the good
01:20:24.280 --> 01:20:25.480
01:20:25.480 --> 01:20:27.360
And so you couldn't get the vacation time.
01:20:27.360 --> 01:20:32.080
You couldn't start to build a family, et cetera, et cetera.
01:20:32.080 --> 01:20:36.760
And so that is the reason, one of the main reasons that the fertility rate in the U.S.
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:38.400
has absolutely collapsed.
01:20:38.400 --> 01:20:44.520
Millennials simply did not have very many children, still haven't had very many children
01:20:44.520 --> 01:20:52.320
because of the economic situation in large part because we know that there is a direct
01:20:52.320 --> 01:20:58.880
correlation between economic stability and well-being, between financial security and
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.520
number of children.
01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:06.080
Now, that's a mixed bag because, yes, you should trust God and that He will provide
01:21:06.080 --> 01:21:10.200
because children are a blessing from God and He will provide for you if He gives you that
01:21:10.200 --> 01:21:11.200
01:21:11.200 --> 01:21:17.840
Yes, you still have to put in the work, of course, but human beings do respond to incentives
01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:19.400
to some degree.
01:21:19.400 --> 01:21:23.120
I'm not giving too much credit to economics, but I'll give some credit where credit is
01:21:23.120 --> 01:21:24.620
01:21:24.620 --> 01:21:26.000
Humans do respond to incentives.
01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:33.520
And if you have an economy that is stable, where people can earn a living, where wives
01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:37.760
can stay at home to keep the home and raise children, you are going to have a higher fertility
01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:39.720
01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:45.080
And that collapsed because of the actions of the baby boomers.
01:21:45.080 --> 01:21:50.520
Millennials understand that, particularly older millennials, because we watched it happen.
01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:56.080
The younger members of the younger generation, so Gen Z and Younger, don't really see this
01:21:56.080 --> 01:21:58.660
because they didn't live through it.
01:21:58.660 --> 01:22:05.320
Some of them have gone back and looked at what happened and realized it, understood what
01:22:05.320 --> 01:22:10.400
was done to millennials and what was therefore sort of by proxy done to the younger generations
01:22:10.400 --> 01:22:14.120
as well, but they didn't live through it.
01:22:14.240 --> 01:22:22.920
This is why you see that enmity from younger generations toward baby boomers and older.
01:22:22.920 --> 01:22:29.520
It's not because it's not youthful rebellion, which sometimes baby boomers will try to argue
01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:31.960
that it's youthful rebellion.
01:22:31.960 --> 01:22:33.640
Millennials now are turning 40.
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:36.200
This is not youthful rebellion anymore.
01:22:36.200 --> 01:22:37.520
Our knees crack when we stand up.
01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:40.320
It can't be youthful rebellion.
01:22:40.320 --> 01:22:48.200
But it's because when a generation is handed everything, handed great conditions and a
01:22:48.200 --> 01:22:54.320
good life and that is not passed on to future generations, there is going to be enmity and
01:22:54.320 --> 01:22:59.760
some of that is most certainly warranted because it is the duty of parents to pass to their
01:22:59.760 --> 01:23:03.560
children a better world than was passed to them.
01:23:03.560 --> 01:23:07.760
And that has not been happening for the last handful of generations.
01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:11.640
It has in fact been accelerating in the opposite direction.
01:23:11.640 --> 01:23:16.520
Now there was a period of time where inertia carried things along and things kept going.
01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:21.800
They looked fine, regardless of all of the structural foundational problems that were
01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:23.920
01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:27.640
But inertia doesn't last forever and we're at the tail end of that now.
01:23:27.640 --> 01:23:32.080
And that's why we see things have fallen off a cliff.
01:23:32.080 --> 01:23:41.840
And so the younger generations don't have these feelings with regard to the older generations
01:23:41.840 --> 01:23:44.160
for no reason.
01:23:44.160 --> 01:23:46.560
Gen Z is a mess.
01:23:46.560 --> 01:23:47.720
So are millennials.
01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:48.720
So is Gen X.
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:51.480
Every generation is a mess in some certain ways.
01:23:51.480 --> 01:23:57.680
But when we don't recognize that a lot of these problems arise because of the actions
01:23:57.680 --> 01:24:02.040
of previous generations, we not only place the blame in the wrong place.
01:24:02.040 --> 01:24:08.920
But we make it almost impossible to actually address the problem.
01:24:08.920 --> 01:24:13.560
And so you get those who will say, well, just pick yourself up by your bootstraps or if
01:24:13.560 --> 01:24:19.160
you just worked hard enough or if you just did X, Y and Z, and that's not the case.
01:24:19.160 --> 01:24:25.400
Some problems that we have in this life, some of the burdens we bear are because of actions
01:24:25.400 --> 01:24:27.600
of those who came before us.
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:32.760
So the best that we can do in some cases is to work as hard as we can to make sure that
01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:37.440
we don't pass those problems to our children and our grandchildren.
01:24:37.440 --> 01:24:40.360
And that is the reality of being a human being.
01:24:40.360 --> 01:24:43.080
That is the reality of the way the world works.
01:24:43.080 --> 01:24:45.040
These things are generational.
01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:48.480
Curses are generational and so are blessings.
01:24:48.480 --> 01:24:53.800
If your parents failed in their tasks, you may very well suffer because of that.
01:24:54.640 --> 01:25:00.080
On the flip side, if you succeed in what you are doing, your children will benefit because
01:25:00.080 --> 01:25:01.080
01:25:01.080 --> 01:25:05.000
And so will your grandchildren and your great grandchildren.
01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:10.240
And that is one of the reasons that we fundamentally oppose this conception of the individual as
01:25:10.240 --> 01:25:12.320
the be all end all.
01:25:12.320 --> 01:25:16.680
Because if you conceive of yourself as an individual and the individual is the only
01:25:16.680 --> 01:25:23.680
thing that matters, you are inevitably going to make decisions that will harm future generations.
01:25:24.400 --> 01:25:28.560
And that is what we have seen in the last handful of decades.
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:37.560
I think the overarching reason that boomers in particular are seen as deserving of greater
01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:42.320
criticism is simply because they are the senior generation.
01:25:42.320 --> 01:25:50.880
And so as a result, they're basically in the position of Moses or of Lot, except they're
01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:52.800
not doing what they were supposed to do.
01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:55.600
They're not acting as the leaders.
01:25:55.600 --> 01:25:59.720
It's very much an entire generation of, I got mine.
01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:08.520
And so on one hand, you have some of the economic envy and jealousy in both directions.
01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:13.200
But on the other hand, if the boomers aren't going to lead, if they're not going to set
01:26:13.200 --> 01:26:18.200
a good example, if they're not going to take care of their children and grandchildren, who
01:26:18.200 --> 01:26:19.520
01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:26.360
And so I think a lot of the anger and the criticism, whether it's coming from a good
01:26:26.360 --> 01:26:30.680
place or not, I think anger can come from a good place.
01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:33.320
It can also come from an evil, terrible place.
01:26:33.320 --> 01:26:36.480
And that's one of the reasons why we wanted to discuss this, is that the idea of boomer
01:26:36.480 --> 01:26:38.720
hate is wrong.
01:26:38.720 --> 01:26:43.240
You shouldn't just absolutely hate an entire generation because they have something and
01:26:43.240 --> 01:26:44.480
you don't have it.
01:26:44.480 --> 01:26:49.760
I think that the much more fundamental issue, at least from my perspective, is their abdication
01:26:49.760 --> 01:26:57.720
of their headship by them failing to propagate a Christian society in a Christian nation,
01:26:57.720 --> 01:27:04.720
by them failing to propagate economic and social policies that were going to feed family
01:27:04.720 --> 01:27:07.960
formation for their own children and grandchildren.
01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:13.560
They've left the world in a state where when they're dead and gone, who's going to pick
01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:15.120
up the pieces?
01:27:15.120 --> 01:27:21.400
Because at this point, there's basically almost no one left if there's anyone left alive who's
01:27:21.400 --> 01:27:23.880
ever seen it done properly.
01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:25.660
And that's why headship matters.
01:27:25.660 --> 01:27:30.760
If you don't have anyone setting a good example, where are you going to get your example?
01:27:30.760 --> 01:27:37.560
I think that's one of the reasons that a lot of the trad memes appear online.
01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:44.280
It's frustration, it's understanding implicitly, even if not consciously, that we as the living
01:27:44.280 --> 01:27:53.240
generation need to leapfrog our own ancestors, not in terms of cultural progress or anything,
01:27:53.240 --> 01:27:55.740
just in terms of they screwed up.
01:27:55.740 --> 01:27:59.320
If we do what they did, we're only going to make it worse.
01:27:59.320 --> 01:28:05.480
And so I think a lot of the nostalgia desire that's so prevalent, especially in a lot
01:28:05.480 --> 01:28:11.880
of young people, is just, I want something that I'm told once existed, and I don't know
01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:16.680
how to get it, and I don't know of anyone alive who can show me how to get it.
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:19.200
I think that's the single greatest failing.
01:28:19.200 --> 01:28:23.840
Even beyond the economic errors and the moral failings and all the rest, is it without a
01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:28.520
good example, you only have bad examples.
01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:33.560
And that's a death knell for a civilization.
01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:39.320
It's a death knell for a people when their elders are not acting in the best interests
01:28:39.320 --> 01:28:43.480
of their progeny, of their posterity.
01:28:43.480 --> 01:28:48.000
What happens when the parents and the grandparents are going to spend all their money on cruises
01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:52.200
and jewelry, and then they're going to write their own kids and grandkids out of the will
01:28:52.200 --> 01:28:58.000
because I got mine and I don't want them to be brats, so I'm not going to give them anything.
01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:06.320
On one hand, children aren't implicitly entitled in some small sense to just being given whatever
01:29:06.320 --> 01:29:07.680
their parents earned.
01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:12.480
But on the other hand, there's a strong moral case to be made.
01:29:12.480 --> 01:29:17.960
The parents have a duty, and this is something that's in Scripture, we're just making up.
01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:25.160
All of human history has been defined in large part by parents bequeaving a better life for
01:29:25.160 --> 01:29:26.160
01:29:26.280 --> 01:29:30.640
Now the difference is that what was bequeathed from the boomers to their children and grandchildren
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:35.760
was going to debt because you'll make so much money that you'll be able to pay for the debt
01:29:35.760 --> 01:29:38.520
and have all the nice stuff that we have too.
01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:41.760
That's clearly failed multiple generations.
01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:47.360
And so yes, today when you look at particularly the zoomers who are really, I think the first
01:29:47.360 --> 01:29:51.760
generation that is split right down the middle.
01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:53.560
I don't think there are a lot of milk-toed zoomers.
01:29:53.560 --> 01:29:59.080
I think the zoomers are either radical, far right.
01:29:59.080 --> 01:30:06.040
We're going to goose-step our way back to civilization, or they're physically and mentally and spiritually
01:30:06.040 --> 01:30:11.960
destroying their bodies in the final throes of what boomers have given them.
01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:18.520
Utter prophecy where there's no morality, there's complete self-definition, do whatever
01:30:18.520 --> 01:30:19.520
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:23.080
Because that is fundamentally the spiritual inheritance that the boomers have passed down
01:30:23.080 --> 01:30:25.240
since the 60s.
01:30:25.240 --> 01:30:34.240
And I'm glad to see that there are at least some zoomers who they're doing some of the
01:30:34.240 --> 01:30:37.840
right things and they're trying to figure out the right ways.
01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:42.840
And the reason we're talking about this is that I wanted to talk about generations in
01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:49.920
particular because it is my belief that the boomer generation in terms of leadership is
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.960
a total write-off.
01:30:52.960 --> 01:30:54.920
And I agree with Corey.
01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:56.920
I don't think Xers even exist.
01:30:56.920 --> 01:31:00.240
I think that boomers basically started about 50.
01:31:00.240 --> 01:31:01.720
Would I be my that?
01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:03.400
Forget the marketing stuff.
01:31:03.400 --> 01:31:09.800
If you have an example of a question about some of these things, or let me give a specific
01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:10.800
01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:14.680
I have a JPEG on my hard drive that's a map of Europe.
01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:18.760
It's a map of Europe from the mid-1940s.
01:31:18.760 --> 01:31:25.600
And on that map it shows the locations of where the Germans had certain types of camps.
01:31:25.600 --> 01:31:29.040
These were camps where they sent people who were arrested.
01:31:29.040 --> 01:31:31.600
Some of them were called concentration camps.
01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:34.920
Some of them were called death camps or liquidation camps.
01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:39.160
And so on this map you can see all these locations, some of the names you would recognize, their
01:31:39.160 --> 01:31:44.360
names that are associated with horrors, and the illicit of visceral reaction when you
01:31:44.360 --> 01:31:47.360
hear the names.
01:31:47.360 --> 01:31:52.280
The reason I'm mentioning this map is that one of the most interesting facts about it
01:31:52.280 --> 01:31:58.120
is that it's also color-coded to show for those two different types of camps whether
01:31:58.120 --> 01:32:05.800
they were on the Allied side of the post-war lines or whether they were on the Soviet side.
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:09.480
Because it turns out when you look at this particular map, it's not something you would
01:32:09.480 --> 01:32:14.000
get if you're just reading in text, but when you look at the map it's plainly obvious that
01:32:14.360 --> 01:32:21.360
every single camp that were told was a death camp where murder and cruelty was taking place,
01:32:21.360 --> 01:32:25.200
100% of those camps were behind Soviet lines.
01:32:25.200 --> 01:32:28.280
In other words, Allied soldiers never went to them.
01:32:28.280 --> 01:32:32.880
Allied soldiers never went to a single camp where those horrors were taking place.
01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:36.880
They went to other camps where there were people who were sick, who were dying from starvation
01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:42.160
in some case, some had typhus, and so they looked very emaciated.
01:32:42.200 --> 01:32:46.480
But there was no mass torture and murder, as we're told, was the narrative for those
01:32:46.480 --> 01:32:47.880
01:32:47.880 --> 01:32:52.240
So the reason I bring this up is if I were to show this picture to someone who's over
01:32:52.240 --> 01:33:00.240
50, I can guarantee that basically every case, the response that I'm going to get from them
01:33:00.240 --> 01:33:08.280
is going to be some sort of rote, emotional response along the lines of the official narrative.
01:33:08.400 --> 01:33:13.400
They will go probably so far as to say, well, yes, the communists were good allies against
01:33:13.400 --> 01:33:14.400
01:33:14.400 --> 01:33:16.200
Thank God for the communists.
01:33:16.200 --> 01:33:19.280
Pretty much 50 and up, that's the only kind of response you're going to get from that
01:33:19.280 --> 01:33:21.640
map, from just facts.
01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:26.800
Whatever you think about the story behind the map, the facts are indisputable.
01:33:26.800 --> 01:33:32.040
The reason that I think that cut off is about 50 is seminal, is that if I show the same
01:33:32.040 --> 01:33:36.760
map to someone who's 40 or 30 or 20, some portion of those people are going to have
01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:37.760
their interest peaked.
01:33:37.760 --> 01:33:39.640
I think, wow, that's really weird.
01:33:39.640 --> 01:33:43.680
Why is it that all these camps that we have these terrible stories about, only coming
01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:45.760
01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:50.160
Why are they only coming from the communists who were stealing our nuclear secrets and
01:33:50.160 --> 01:33:52.960
plotting to overthrow and destroy the United States?
01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:57.800
Why did they find all those camps and then the other places where we went, we didn't
01:33:57.800 --> 01:33:59.280
find any of them?
01:33:59.280 --> 01:34:04.120
Regardless of what you think about the narrative of World War II and what happened in Germany
01:34:04.120 --> 01:34:11.480
and greater Germany, the response to that picture is, in my book, it's a litmus test
01:34:11.480 --> 01:34:16.760
of how open-minded someone is.
01:34:16.760 --> 01:34:18.760
Anyone over 50 is going to have a knee-jerk reaction.
01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:21.200
I could write down half a dozen things.
01:34:21.200 --> 01:34:27.880
They're going to say one or more of them automatically, without any interest in the facts or any
01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:32.160
01:34:32.160 --> 01:34:36.680
When you're dealing with a generation that has been demoralized to that degree, that
01:34:36.680 --> 01:34:43.080
has been programmed to that degree, the reason that I think it's such a problem that the
01:34:43.080 --> 01:34:50.160
older generation is not fit to lead is that, as Corey talked about earlier with the Fourth
01:34:50.160 --> 01:34:57.600
Commandment, what do we do in a situation where we're to honor and obey our parents,
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:01.560
but our elders are giving us the worst possible advice?
01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:06.280
Because we can't sin, we can't do something that's evil, we can't believe lies because
01:35:06.280 --> 01:35:08.480
old people say it's okay.
01:35:08.480 --> 01:35:11.200
They don't get to override God.
01:35:11.200 --> 01:35:17.400
I think that one of the tricks that we, one of the hurdles that we have to overcome as
01:35:17.400 --> 01:35:24.560
this generation, by this generation, I mean those who are living, there's a set of people
01:35:24.720 --> 01:35:30.600
in my book, 50 and Up, that you just shouldn't listen to at all when it comes to most things.
01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:36.640
Because they have been subjected to a degree of propaganda and life experiences that no
01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:41.640
longer have any basis in reality for what we're dealing with.
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:47.920
If we try to listen to them, all we're going to get is more of the same.
01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:50.040
Younger people do not want more of the same.
01:35:50.040 --> 01:35:55.280
They see that they're drowning in quicksand and they don't know how to get out of it.
01:35:55.280 --> 01:35:59.200
That's an incredibly dangerous place for a civilization to be because you have young
01:35:59.200 --> 01:36:04.800
people who are angry at older people, you have older people who are frustrated and disillusioned
01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:12.360
by younger people, and everybody just wants to go their separate ways, and it's a recipe.
01:36:12.360 --> 01:36:17.380
It's a setup for a bloodbath, it's a setup for horrors beyond imagining, and as Christians
01:36:17.380 --> 01:36:19.920
that's absolutely what we don't want.
01:36:20.160 --> 01:36:25.920
The reason for us to mention this is I think that in good conscience, the best thing that
01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:33.520
we can do is recognize that although our elders are to be respected and they're to be loved,
01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:38.720
there are large swaths of decision-making that we need to make for ourselves and for
01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:43.360
future generations where we simply can't ask them, and most of them frankly don't care
01:36:43.360 --> 01:36:44.360
01:36:44.360 --> 01:36:48.280
It's not like they're begging to give good advice, but I think that we need to recognize
01:36:48.320 --> 01:36:52.520
that we are a generation without a head, and I think that a lot of the boomer hate is
01:36:52.520 --> 01:37:01.040
rooted not simply in economic envy, but in a slow growing realization that the men who
01:37:01.040 --> 01:37:06.840
should be in charge of providing wisdom and guidance, they're checked out, we're a headless
01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:15.240
generation, and I think the only way that we can fix that in order to create a future
01:37:15.400 --> 01:37:20.360
civilization was this civilizational stuff, this isn't, you know, we talked last week
01:37:20.360 --> 01:37:22.840
about small ticket, this is the big ticket.
01:37:22.840 --> 01:37:27.320
I think the only way to get from where we are today where we see things in freefall
01:37:27.320 --> 01:37:31.400
to a place where our children and grandchildren can be safe and not have to deal with these
01:37:31.400 --> 01:37:36.760
problems is if we explicitly acknowledge that we are headless, we cannot look to the older
01:37:36.760 --> 01:37:42.040
generation to answer these problems and to get it right, and so rather than going to them
01:37:42.040 --> 01:37:47.640
and deferring to them, I think we need to simply set them aside respectfully, not antagonistically,
01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:53.080
but I think that we need to realize that they are such a demoralized generation that the only
01:37:53.080 --> 01:37:57.480
thing that they can possibly do with their mouths is to cause harm, and I hate to say that, it's
01:37:58.520 --> 01:38:07.080
the last thing that I want, and yet when doing what they say to do is going to do harm, we can't
01:38:07.080 --> 01:38:12.840
do it, and so the reason for talking about generations is that there is a particular
01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:21.640
generation with a particular set of problems that is so wicked and so far gone that all we can do
01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:26.280
is pray for them to go to heaven and otherwise not really listen to what they say.
01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:30.840
It's not the way it should be, it's not the way any civilization should ever be,
01:38:31.400 --> 01:38:37.800
and yet when we're looking at a civilization that's in freefall and a generation that despises God
01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:42.840
in every good thing, and you have some people who are younger in particular looking for something
01:38:42.840 --> 01:38:48.520
trad, looking for something older, I think we need to be free to recognize that maybe older
01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:52.520
is older than anyone who's living, which is part of the reason that a lot of what we talk about
01:38:52.520 --> 01:38:58.120
on Stone Choir is older doctrine. Doctrine shouldn't be changing, God didn't change, Christianity
01:38:58.120 --> 01:39:02.920
didn't change, but if some of this stuff fell by the wayside and nobody talked about it for a
01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:09.720
generation, for a century, I think that at some point we have to just recognize that and say it
01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:15.720
out loud and say, okay, the only way to get any of this back on track is to ignore what the boomers
01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:21.480
say and to go back further, to go back to the good advice that they ignored from their parents and
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grandparents, wherever this began, we need to find where the good ended and the bad began and refer
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to that. And as Christians, we know that above all else, scripture is the source for that. That's
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why we began in scripture and we're winding up by discussing the boomer question because
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I don't want there to be hatred. I don't want there to be slander and just disgust,
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but at the same time, like I said, I'm talking to guys half my age. If I gave them advice without
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having talked to them first, it would be idiotic advice. It would be the worst possible things. I
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know I would say stupid things to them. And so when I hear boomers saying the same stuff to them,
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it just makes me die inside because that complete alienation of the generations,
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it's intractable. It shouldn't be this way, but it's intractable to the point that the only thing
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we can do is try to build a future world where the next generation and then next generation after
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that won't have the same problems. I think that much of the people who are living today are in
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some ways a write-off and we have to figure out how to do that respectfully and in a way that's
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not destructive. And we have to look at rebuilding things that are good, even if it means ignoring
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maybe your own parents and grandparents. And so as Christians, we have to figure out how to do that
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in a way that doesn't violate the Fourth Commandment because we are to honor and obey our parents.
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So this is a tricky thing. Again, we're not giving a prescription here to say, yes, absolutely do
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this, but I think that when you're looking at the advice coming from people who are 50 and up,
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if you listen at all, I think you need to give it the most extremely rigorous
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going over. And you may well be forced to disregard it entirely. And if you do that,
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I think that there's probably a good case to be made for doing that with a clean conscience.
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So this is one of those episodes where some of the things we've said are not easy truths,
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they are hard truths. And that's part of life. Just because something is uncomfortable or unpleasant
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or what have you, doesn't mean that we get to ignore it, particularly when it is as important
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as the things we are covering as we covered in this episode. There are some very real differences
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for very many reasons, some of which we covered in this episode, some of which we did not because
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we didn't want to make this a 40 part episode that lasts for 120 hours.
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We're not going to go for three hours. I'm not implying that. But
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these are very real problems because of the very real differences between the generations.
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And as we mentioned in the last episode about the small stuff,
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we are to a very real extent, and by we, I mean, millennials and younger, as again,
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a reminder, we are including the younger members of Gen X in that most certainly.
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But essentially those of us who are now living and not members of the older generation now retiring,
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exiting the workforce and positions of leadership, etc.
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It falls to us to be an interim generation. We have to rebuild all of the things that were torn
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down in the last century or so. And there is no roadmap for much of what we have to do.
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There's a roadmap for some of it because, of course, we are Christians, first and foremost.
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And so we have God's roadmap in Scripture for many of these problems.
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But Scripture does not provide a complete roadmap for rebuilding a civilization.
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And more than rebuilding a civilization, we are rebuilding a civilization
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in a way that has not really been done before. And what I mean by that is that usually when
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a generation has to rebuild to the extent that we will have to rebuild, it is because they have
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just gone through an extremely destructive war or plague or some sort of horrible natural disaster.
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And we aren't rebuilding from that. So when you look around, things don't look necessarily that
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bad unless you look too closely, particularly, say, at the downtown area of large cities.
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But you're probably living in a home or an apartment or a condo, some sort of structure with a roof.
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Most people have food on the table. I'm in an air conditioned room right now because it's 80
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some degrees outside already because I live in the south. There are things that are still functioning
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that still look good. But the core of our civilization, the core of our society,
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of our culture has rotted away. And so we are rebuilding from dust and ashes,
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but not from visible dust and ashes. And that's a difficult position in which we find ourselves
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because we have to point out to our fellows that we are rebuilding from nothing in a very real sense
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because everything has been eroded away to the foundation, if not the foundation itself,
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having been eroded away. That is a unique position because, as I said, previous
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generations that have had to rebuild from nothing have had to rebuild from nothing,
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from literal dust and ashes. And so we find ourselves in a position
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that is not only difficult, but difficult. And without example, we don't have a roadmap.
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We are building this from the ground up as the first generation to do it.
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That doesn't mean that we're going to fail. I don't think we will. I think we can do this.
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I think we are up to this task. It is going to be difficult. But many of the things in life that
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are worth doing are in fact difficult. Just because something is hard does not mean it is not worth
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doing. In fact, many of the things that are worth doing are in fact hard. Staying in good shape
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physically is hard work. It's worth doing. Learning how to play an instrument is hard work. It's
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worth doing. Learning a new language is hard work. It's worth doing. Raising children is most
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certainly hard work. And it is most certainly worth doing because children are a blessing from God.
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And that really is what we're doing. We are building, rebuilding our civilization,
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building a better tomorrow for the generations that will follow us.
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Because where the generations that came before us squandered what was given to them,
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and so burdened us with what we have today, we want to pass something better to future generations.
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We want to give them the things that we didn't receive, the things that our elders had when
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they were our age, when they were younger, but they did not pass to us. That is the task of this
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generation. And so there will be some rewards, some temporal rewards. There will certainly be
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eternal rewards because these are good works. These are things on which God will smile,
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things that God will bless. Some of those blessings, because of the nature of how it works,
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will not accrue in our lifetimes. They will accrue to our children and our grandchildren.
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But again, you're not an individual. You are a link in the chain that extends all the way back
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to Adam and extends all the way down to whenever your line ends. Maybe it will be before the end,
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maybe it will be at the end when God returns.
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But your task as that link in the chain is to pass as much of the good as possible
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to those who will follow after you. And so we started with Scripture and will end with Scripture,
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going to read from Psalm 78.
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Give ear, O my people, to my teaching. Incline your ears to the words of my mouth.
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I will open my mouth in a parable. I will utter dark sayings from of old,
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things that we have heard and known, that our fathers have told us. We will not hide them
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from their children, but tell to the coming generation the glorious deeds of the Lord and
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his might, and the wonders that he is done. He established a testimony in Jacob and appointed
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a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers to teach to their children, that the next generation
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might know them, the children yet unborn, and arise and tell them to their children,
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so that they should set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments,
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and that they should not be like their fathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation,
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a generation whose heart was not steadfast, whose spirit was not faithful to God.