“A Name No Man Knows”
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Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast, I am Corey J. Moller, and I'm Woe.
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In this episode we will be discussing anonymity, pseudonymity, and a number of related issues.
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That email address is comments at stone-quire.com.
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So today's episode is going to be about a topic that we've had in mind for a while.
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It has come to the fore with recent events that have spilled out on Twitter and elsewhere.
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The subject is pseudonymity or anonymity versus men who use their full Christian names when
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they speak online.
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When people describe us as anonymous, or most people online as anonymous, it's really
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a mismanumer.
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To be anonymous is to have no attribution whatsoever.
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The definition of anonymous is nameless, wanting a name without the real name of the author.
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So for example, if someone leaves a pamphlet on your windshield and there's no attribution
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whatsoever, it doesn't say what group it's from or any sort of byline, that's anonymous.
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You have no idea where it came from.
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On the other hand, if there's a copyright statement or there's some sort of group name or
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maybe it says Publius or something, that's a pseudonym.
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That's not their legal name.
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It's not necessarily a specific person that you can attribute it to, but you can attribute
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it in generally what they have said to their identity.
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So I, for example, am not anonymous.
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I have never been anonymous online.
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I am pseudonymous.
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I've had multiple aliases over the years, not because I was up to anything sketchy, but
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frankly, I kept getting banned from Twitter.
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And so when I came back, I had to change my name or I would immediately get rebanned.
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And that's an interesting part of all of this because when most people hear I was banned
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from Twitter, your immediate thought is, well, you know, he must have done something
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to deserve it.
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He must have been a real jerk or he used terrible language or he was abusive or something.
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You know, obviously, if I was banned, I must have deserved it somehow.
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Well, what has come out and what is going to come out even further as Elon rips back
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the veil is that the people doing the banning, which all of us who were getting banned,
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knew for a fact.
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The banners were trannies, were sodomites, were pedophiles.
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Those are the people who didn't want me on Twitter, who didn't want me talking.
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So if you think that you're on the same page as those guys morally, that's probably a
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bigger question that we can ever answer on one of our episodes, but you should spend
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some serious time thinking about that.
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So I am pseudonymous, not because I'm ashamed of anything I say.
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I mean, the fact that I'm now, you know, putting my voice to it, it makes it inevitable.
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At some point, I will to be doxed and there will be absolute attribution to everything
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I've ever said, which I'm fine with.
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I'm not fine with being doxed.
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That's an evil, murderous thing for people to do, but there is no shame in anything that
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I have said, the things that I say online are the same things that I say in person.
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The difference between an in-person conversation and an online conversation is that in person,
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you have the other individual in front of you, their particular views where they're coming
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from, and you work with those if you're a normal human being trying to have a conversation.
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On the internet, it's different.
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The audience is a generic one.
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So in a sense, it's easier to speak directly to what I think, not because I'm hiding something
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in person and I'm blunt on the internet.
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It's just that I don't have to assume any particular givens for whom I'm speaking to.
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So I'm not anonymous.
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I'm in a attributable voice that has everything I've ever said.
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You can look at the very pseudonyms and say, yeah, this guy has said all that stuff and
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I did.
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Am I proud of all of it?
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No.
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I've said things were stupid.
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I've made tweets in the past that I deleted because that was awful.
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I shouldn't have said that.
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I'm a human being.
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So to say that I'm not ashamed of what I've posted doesn't necessarily mean I've never
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said anything idiotic because I have, but I've never said anything evil because I have.
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But the salient facts of the reasons that I was banned and will probably be banned again
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even with Elon are theological in nature.
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They come down to why all these fights are happening in the world and frankly why we're
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doing this podcast.
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So just at the outset, I want to make clear that when you say that people like me are anonymous,
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they're abusing the word forechan and the other image boards.
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Those are anonymous image boards.
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When you go to one, you click on a forum or a topic group, you click on a thread, you
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go down to the bottom, you just type in whatever you want to say and send and it appears.
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There's no login.
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There's no attribution you show up as anonymous.
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That's an interesting case because there's no reputation there and someone who is keen
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on reputation will think, oh, well, that's terrible.
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People can do whatever.
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But there's a flip side to that also is that you don't get any credit for being some brilliant
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person or for having certain credentials.
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You show up on the timeline with ever, whatever your current thought was and then you vanish.
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You never get any credit for it.
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You can't take credit because you're anonymous.
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That's what anonymous means.
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Again, I'm pseudonymous.
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I have years of posting on various pseudonyms that I take credit for all of it.
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Those are my thoughts.
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It's funny.
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I looked back at some of the things I was tweeting two, three years ago and their every
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bit is relevant today as they were then, even though when I was saying it then, a lot
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of the things I was saying for the first time.
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In fact, many of them were addressing this very question.
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It's interesting that you and I Courier are the two people talking about this because
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you are the least anonymous Lutheran out there who's the target of these very attacks.
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I'd like to first ask you is not a pseudonymous man, is Corey J. Mallor, who puts your name
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on everything.
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You are the ideal case.
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You're the ideal case for what these pastors think everyone should be doing.
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All the folks maybe don't know behind the scenes what it's like being Corey and a world
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where you say things that you believe that are hated by the world.
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Yes, saying that I am not anonymous or even pseudonymous is almost an understatement
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considering my website is my name.
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I have my actual profile picture of me on all of my accounts.
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In fact, it's in front of the brewery I go to after church, no less.
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Pretty much everyone knows I live in East Tennessee.
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It's not hard to find the church I attend.
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That's relevant because I have had individuals, pastors, in fact, who disagree with the things
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we have said, who have contacted my pastor, basically an proxy attempt to harass me.
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Even beyond that, there's the obvious social media you get death threats and things like
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that.
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Sometimes I've had particularly lovely DMs show up on Twitter and on Facebook back when
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I used that.
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That's been a long time ago though.
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Really, what those who say they do not want anonymity, really pseudonymity, but those
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who say they don't want it, they want the ability to harass people.
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That's what they're saying.
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They don't want to engage with the idea.
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They just want the potential.
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They want the power over that person to harass him and if they can destroy him.
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I'm a little more insulated than some.
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I'm not working for a large law firm as an attorney and so they can't call my supervisor
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and get me fired.
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They absolutely would if they could.
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I do not for a second doubt that some of the people from Twitter and elsewhere have
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complained to the bar.
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I haven't done anything that violates any rules, so all they've done is annoy some
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peon at the bar, but it's very obvious the pattern of behavior in which they're engaging
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what it is they want to do.
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They do not want to have a conversation as they will sometimes say they don't want to
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know the man on the other side of the screen.
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That's not it.
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They want to be able to locate that man to harass and destroy him.
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It is malice that animates these men.
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In some cases, there's also a bit of foolishness there, but ultimately it's malice.
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Yeah.
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And we were talking about this yesterday, the particularly hilarious thing about whenever
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these guys complain about anons as like these evil slanders, they always ignore the fact
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that you exist under your real name.
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While simultaneously whenever they refer to you in particular, they treat you like
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Voldemort on Twitter, they'll, they're afraid to type the name Corey Moller because they're
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afraid that somehow you're going to like appear like bloody Mary.
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And so they will have done that a couple times just to mess with them, but they were asking
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for it.
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Yeah.
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It's well deserved, but like they know your name and they're too afraid to say it.
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You're like Voldemort to these people who are intimately familiar with that ridiculous
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illusion, they, they, they have a name and then they won't use it, as you said, except
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to personally target you to seek harm against you in your life, in your livelihood and
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in your church.
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Well, they got me banned from Twitter.
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Yeah.
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Me too.
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Yeah, I was.
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Well, my Moller LCMS account on Twitter, fellow Christians got that one banned.
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I'm sure there were some others who were in there as well, but I had to accounts.
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I was not avoiding a ban or a suspension because my main account, which is my name, my
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full name I had had since 2012.
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So I wasn't really planning that far advanced to avoid a suspension.
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I had Moller LCMS.
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I originally intended to sort of split the two address politics and such on the main
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account and religious topics on the other.
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I wound up using the other almost exclusively because I was mostly talking about religious
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topics and very little about politics.
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But the reason the thing they used to report me to get me banned was they mass reported
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a particular tweet where I said that the punishment for the production of pornography should be
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capital punishment.
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I said they should be executed.
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That is a call for a change in the law, of course, but they all mass reported it as a threat,
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which of course is bearing false witness against me.
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But they used that in order to get me banned and that was largely fellow Christians.
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My main account got banned because I said something about the Eastern Orthodox and somehow
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someone brought it to the attention of Rod Dreyer and I know he's the one who got me
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banned because for those who aren't familiar with how this works, when you get banned
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suspended whatever they want to call it, you receive an email with the reason.
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Now it's probably a vague reason it may not be a relevant reason, but you get an email
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that contains a reason.
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If you are reported by a blue check because they have a special back channel, you receive
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nothing.
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Your account is just all of a sudden suspended.
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You can no longer log in.
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And that is what happened to my main account right after I interacted with Rod Dreyer and
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I have the screenshots that's easy to find.
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I'd like to apologize to our audience for this extremely online talk.
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There's a lot of stuff that happens on Twitter and Facebook and elsewhere that the reason
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that we're talking about this, this is not sour grapes over our accounts.
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This is about the much more fundamental issue of what is falsely called the culture war
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where people confuse theology with politics and vice versa.
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They're not able to understand where the line is if there's a line at all.
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So the reason we're talking about this is that we're trying to ultimately talk about
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where that line is between theology and politics because it's not where these guys are
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drawing it.
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And for better or worse, these things play out online.
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So while a lot of stuff happens on Twitter and elsewhere, we never want this podcast
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to be about the internet drama, about e-drama, like that's exhausting.
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I don't want to hear it.
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I know you don't want to hear it if you care about this podcast.
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So please don't mistake what we're saying is being about us and our accounts, whatever.
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But as Corey just said, the fact that Christians have gone after us to remove us from being
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able to speak at all because they don't like what we say about theology, that's much
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more deeply rooted than just internet talk.
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Like that's not about any particular website.
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That's a fundamental question of how the church is to operate, which is what we're talking
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about today.
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So I've already defined a pseudonym, but I'd just like to give you a few examples of if
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you think the pseudonyms are evil or they're a bad thing, anyone who knows Adamalgy knows
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that pseudomines false in Greek.
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Now that's in English, that has a very negative connotation to say something is false is the
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opposite of true.
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So that's gross.
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Like you won't find someone who's more obsessed with the truth than me.
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So for me to be saying something that pseudonyms are great or pseudonyms are fine, you could
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easily think falsely that I am somehow being an hypocrite.
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pseudonyms are aliases, they're nicknames, they're fictitious names, stage names, pen
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names, they're regnal names as well.
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So it's very common for kings and every pope to assume a new name when they ascend to
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their office.
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Most people listening have probably heard of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, you've all heard
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of Pope Francis.
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That's his pseudonym.
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He's not Francis, he's Torre, but in his office he has assumed the pseudonym.
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Now in his case, there's no disconnect between the two identities, but the identity of
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Pope has with it that association where a pseudonym goes along with it.
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It's also common as I mentioned, you know, stage names or in pen names, you know, everyone
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knows Mark Twain, almost as many no Samuel Clemens.
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The man was Samuel, the author was Mark, they were the same guy.
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Very few of you probably would recognize the same easier Daniela Vitch, but you all know
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Kirk Douglas.
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No one would know who I was talking about when I mentioned Bernard Schwartz, but everybody
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knows who Tony Curtis is.
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Some people might recognize a name named Nimrada Randhawa, but you all know Nicky Haley.
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And here's a great one, Alisa Zenovienia, Zenovvend, I could say this earlier, Zenovend
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Venevna Rosenbaum, who became Alice O'Connor and then became Ein Rand.
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Now nobody knows Alisa, but everybody knows Ein.
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In the case of those people, those were all Jews who came into Western countries.
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They shapeshifted into assuming our names so that when you heard Bernard Schwartz, you
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think, well, that guy's probably a Jew.
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Tony Curtis, like that's the, that's a waspious name imaginable.
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So maybe he's a Irish or Italian, but you wouldn't think that he was from the land of
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his origin and the people of his origin.
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So those are people who assume pseudonyms in order to shapeshift.
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I have a pseudonym just because that's how the internet works.
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I've been on the internet for decades and I've had, I had lost how many count on how many
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pseudonyms I've had.
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Again, not because like I'm covering my tracks.
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It's just that my identity online is not, it's just a pointer to my voice.
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So for example, Corey, you and I are in a group of a bunch of Lutherans, 50 odd guys.
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I know your name and I won't know one or two other guys, Christian names.
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The names that are written in the book of life for eternity as we talked about last week.
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But the vast majority, I only know pseudonyms and some of them have changed their pseudonyms
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fairly often.
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Now, this is an interesting case because one of the things that we do in this group is
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we will regularly pin prayer requests for guys, you know, sometimes half a time, a dozen
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times a day where someone is about to have the birth of a child or the child is sick or
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they're looking for a wife or they have a parent who's sick or dying, all sorts of
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things that happen in real life that are consequential, that are meaningful for prayer.
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And in every one of those cases, it's somebody with a pseudonym who's saying, hey guys, please
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pray for me.
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Now, because we understand what pseudonyms are for, we don't think, well, I'm going to ask
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God to pray for night George and his new baby.
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I hope God knows who I'm talking about because I don't, like that's nonsense.
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I know who he is.
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I know things about him.
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I just don't know his name.
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I don't care about his name and it's not apathy.
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It's that to me, he's KG and he's a close friend.
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God knows who he is.
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So when I take night George to God in prayer, I don't have any doubt that God knows exactly
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who I'm talking about.
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And the same is true of my pseudonym.
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God knows exactly who I am when I'm posting on the internet.
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And these pastors, these people who get angry that someone is posting without accountability,
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they want accountability, want to hold somebody's feet to the fire, is though, I think that
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I'm tricking God by using a different name than the one that's written in the book of
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life.
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I have no such delusions.
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I am accountable for every careless word.
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Like I said, I've had careless words and sometimes I'm ashamed of them like, nope, I got
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to get rid of that because that was, I should not have done that.
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That was shame before God because I said it and God saw me see it.
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The fact that it was attributed online to a pseudonym is meaningless between me and my
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creator.
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And the fact that some pastor who gets mad at me doesn't know my name is totally immaterial.
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As you said earlier, these guys never want to actually discuss the things we want to
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discuss.
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They will think that they're slandering you by calling you slavery, Lutheran.
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And I grew to you completely on that subject.
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We'll do an episode probably pretty soon about slavery and what God says about slavery because
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it's not what these men say.
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It's not what the world say.
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But rather than dealing with the text of Scripture, they just want to go straight for
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ad hominem and discrediting the person rather than talking about the ideas.
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And so, pseudonymity is valuable in that case because it keeps, keeps the attacks away from
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the person and forces the discussion onto the ideas.
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As I've said before and elsewhere, I have no credentials.
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I'm not a pastor.
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I don't know Greek.
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I have no training for any of this.
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I freely admit that.
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And if you think that that disqualifies me from being heard, then no listen.
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That's fine.
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If in spite of the fact that I have no credentials, you hear what I say and think, huh, that's
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interesting.
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Or, wow, I really think this is valuable.
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That's between you and your understanding of Scripture through what the Holy Spirit
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has revealed to you that you would hear what I say and say, yeah, I think they agree
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with that.
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It's got nothing to do with credentials.
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So, guys who need their collar and their avatar online and they need to have their titles
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in order to be recognized, I think, is a very different kind of hiding behind something.
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They accuse me of hiding behind a pseudonym.
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Frankly, I think most of them are hiding behind their collars.
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Well, as mentioned, that is one of the benefits of pseudonymity is that the only thing that
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matters is what you said.
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And so those who are pseudonymous cannot make an appeal to credentials or to experience
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anything outside of what they have said.
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And so it is wholly about the argument.
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And in this case, we are basing everything we say on Scripture.
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And so those who are making these points under a pseudonymous account are simply making
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the point they are not saying, well, I'm a pastor.
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So you have to listen to me or I have this degree or that degree or this knowledge.
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In my case, I'm obviously not pseudonymous.
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But I am still making an appeal to the things I have said.
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You will note that on my website and on my accounts, I'm not adding all the letters
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that I could add after my name.
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I did for a little while simply to annoy a handful of people that really found that
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noxious because it amused me.
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But I've removed all that stuff because it's not actually particularly relevant to the
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things I'm saying.
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Yes, if the topic of European Union antitrust comes up, okay, fine.
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My credentials are now relevant.
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My training is relevant.
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But when it comes to these things, we are appealing to the Word of God.
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We are appealing to those who have the Spirit to hear God's voice and the things we are
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saying.
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And so the credentials are not relevant.
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Is being a pastor relevant to some of this stuff in some way?
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Well certainly when it comes to the stricter judgment, but in a very real way, the only
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thing that is relevant is whether or not the man who is speaking is repeating God's word.
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He may have whatever sort of clothing he wants on.
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He may have whatever degrees he wants, but what matters is what he is saying and being pseudonymous
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is actually in some way a benefit with regard to that.
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And it's not unprecedented within the faith he learned earlier.
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I mentioned we have a friend who goes by night, George, for obvious reasons.
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That's the Junker Yorg was one of Luther's pseudonyms when he was pursued by men who
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were trying to murder him.
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Yeah, and many, many people don't actually, I think that many people would not actually
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know who Junker Yorg is.
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They don't know that story.
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But after the diet of Vorms in 1521, Friedrich the Wise, one of Luther's patrons had him
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kidnapped, so to speak.
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He had him intercepted in the countryside on the way back from the diet because he had
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basically just been declared an outlaw in the old sense of the term.
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Someone could kill him without consequence.
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And so in order to protect him, they kidnapped him, spirited him away to Vartburg.
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And he assumed the name of Junker Yorg, more or less night, George.
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It's a little difference in emphasis there, but it's close enough of a translation.
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And so he lived essentially as a minor noble in Vartburg Castle in rooms that had traditionally
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been used for minor nobles who had basically fallen out of favor, but not so far that they
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needed to be executed.
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So it was not quite prison, but sort of house arrest.
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But while he was there, he had two squires who waited on him.
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He lived as a minor noble.
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Incidentally, he may have put on a little weight while he was there because he switched
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from a monk's diet to a minor noble's diet, very different thing.
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He interacted with other nobles.
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But while he was there, operating under this pseudonym, he translated the Bible.
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Essentially, the first time you really have the Bible in the vernacular being widespread.
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Obviously, yes, Greek at the time would have been vernacular, but it no longer was.
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Neither was Latin.
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And so we have, he also wrote two volumes worth of his works while he was in that castle.
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And so we have an instance in our own history.
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And this is the case for all Protestants, not just Lutherans, but obviously particularly
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for Lutherans, of a man operating under a pseudonym and achieving a great deal of good
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and doing it for a perfectly legitimate reason.
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In his case, he would have been killed if he had been found, if he had been using his name
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and been discovered.
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Today, the stakes aren't really that much different.
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Know the emperor is not going to literally drag you into the town square and chop off
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your head.
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If you express these unpopular opinions online and are found out, but the agents of our
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evil government are certainly going to find you, are going to get you fired, are going
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to make your life miserable, are going to send you death threats, may very well cause
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you physical harm.
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In some cases, this stuff does actually eventually in murder because some of our adversaries,
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some of our enemies are willing to go that far.
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That's the reason that we're talking about this is that there's, there are real world
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consequences to these pastors claiming that you must unmask yourself or you are a coward.
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One of my first exposures to the, the spirit behind what a lot of these pastors think was
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a year or so ago when I was on Jonathan Fisk's Discord, Fiskord, he obviously is the admin.
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There were like 600 people on the thing.
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I was in a channel with Adam Coons and a number of other pastors who my respect.
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And one day there was a conversation and I think, I don't remember the details.
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I think there was like a disagreement between me and another member, which was pretty typical.
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I was, I was there basically to be hated, but to speak the truth in a place where maybe
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a few people would hear it.
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Anyway, something happened and Jonathan Fisk falsely accused me of a sin in front of
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everyone from hundreds of people.
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He said that I had just sinned and the accusation was not borne out by any of the evidence.
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So that made her slanderous and because he's not only a pastor, but he is the admin, that
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made a powerful slander like it's one thing.
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If I is just a nobody on Discord, say something mean about somebody else, nobody cares.
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When the admin and the pastor who's, it's named after says something, everybody cares.
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So I rebuked him.
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I said, that was false.
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You need to repent and you need to take that back.
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You've harmed or I put my reputation.
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And his, the only reason I'm telling this story, it's not that I'm mad that someone
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was mean to me online.
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I remember it because I learned something very important that day from his response.
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Fisk responded by scoffing at me and essentially saying, I don't even know your name.
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You're not a real person.
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I can't possibly sin against you because I don't know who you are.
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And that was the end of it.
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Like as far as I was concerned, as far as he was concerned, because I was pseudonymous,
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he could do any manner of harm to my reputation, which is a real thing.
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I have a reputation because all of my comments online are attributable to a pseudonym, but
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to me.
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And he said, that's nothing.
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I can rob you of your reputation because it's not even you.
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You're not even really human being unless you use your real name.
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This is something that played out again this year in what was the inspiration for our
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very first episode where we talked about Mrs. Johnathan Lackey's book that was published
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by CPH that was teaching theology to the church.
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And Corey, you and my and I, our friend group were the first people within Lutheranism
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to discuss this.
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We discussed it in private and like, what's going on at CPH?
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Why are they, why are they unable to find pastors to teach theology?
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Like do we have a shortage?
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No, there's not a shortage of pastors.
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There may be a shortage of theologians, but that's a separate problem.
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But why is it that the organ of our synod is propping up a 25-year-old girl to teach theology?
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Jesus didn't even begin teaching theology until he was 30.
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But we disregard that example.
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He's like, well, okay, this girl, she's got a ton of gifts.
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She might even be better at Jesus that teaching theology.
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So she's upheld and she's given a publishing deal and her book is propped up and issues
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etc.
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It makes it the book of the month and everybody loves it.
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And some of our friends are like, this doesn't seem to be consistent with Scripture.
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Let's go look at where Scripture says that I do not permit a woman to speak.
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She is to be silent in the church.
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And the discussion was, you know, well, it doesn't the church mean that she can't preach.
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And basically, all the pastors concluded that there's nothing in the Bible that prevents
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a girl from doing anything except investing, giving communion, and standing in the pulpit
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and preaching.
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Everything else is up for grabs.
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Now most of them will deny that, but that's functionally what their arguments are.
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Whenever they look to 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 14, they see those texts strictly
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as protecting their pastoral office and not being about headship, we disagreed.
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So we started discussing it online and saying, hey, look at this book.
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Look what's going on.
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And it quickly spread because it was rightly controversial that a girl is teaching theology.
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And I want to read just a couple clips from what appeared on the God of Steens blog and
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on Larry Beans blog as a follow up.
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The first clip here that I'm going to read for you is from John Busman.
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He's a pastor.
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In the middle of his post, he just mentioned as an aside that he's Mrs. Jonathan Lackie's
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pastor.
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He really buried the lead there by launching into a multi-page diatribe that I'll get into
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here and failing to mention that it was his own parishioner.
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He was defending so forcefully.
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Nothing wrong with defending her, but say up front, I'm her pastor.
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Let me tell you what I think.
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By doing the lead, I believe.
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Defending himself.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That's the one who either correctly or incorrectly taught her husband and her.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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By us questioning the nature of the headship of a woman teaching theology, we were implicitly
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questioning his headship.
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John, John Busman's headship as her pastor.
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And so he was absolutely defending himself indirectly.
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So here's what he said.
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So why the backlash?
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I actually think it's simply people with absolutely nothing better to do than to anonymously
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troll people and try to discourage them from fulfilling their vocation.
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We have those types enter into the goddess bug comment section all the time.
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You know the types.
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There are a couple of things there.
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Anonymously is always connected to troll.
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If you're anonymous, you're automatically a troll.
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This is Peter Sladen's big thing.
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He's a social media manager for the LCMS.
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He goes around calling people trolls all the time.
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He's blocked numerous pastors in our own synod from the official LCMS website because
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they follow trolls on Twitter.
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So see, this is this troll thing.
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This slander of calling someone a troll is exactly what Jonathan Fisk did to me.
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He said, I don't know your name.
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I don't like something you said rather than apologizing for slandering you, I'm going
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to label you a pseudonymous troll and then you're nothing.
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That's exactly what these other pastors, this what Busman did and what Bill Larry is going
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to do in a minute.
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Say, these are trolls.
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They're not really human beings.
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And the other thing that will be a subject for another day, but no, he said trying to discourage
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them, meaning girls, from fulfilling their vocation, meaning teaching theology to men.
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Now that's a textbook case of question begging because that's what they do.
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They say, well, obviously God gave her the gift to teach.
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So if she's teaching, it must be from God.
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And if you don't like her teaching, you must be opposed to God.
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Those are the rhetorical tricks they get played in these fights.
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In a subsequent post on Godestines, Bernal Eckert, you know, this is mostly written by Larry
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Bean, the Bernal posted under his name with credit to Larry.
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I said this, Father Busman's post brought to our attention to this, which is good.
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Not only a question of where the scriptural line is drawn in the real world regarding
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women teaching and publishing in their own time, place, and culture, but also regarding
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the roles of men and women and chivalry, quote, in the colon chivalry, chivalry, the swarming
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of a woman by anonymous men as recently happened in the Twitter world is not chivalrous Christian
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masculine behavior.
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And we all agree on that.
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This is fascinating for a few reasons one, we never said a single word to Molly on Twitter
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that was hostile or abrasive or overly critical.
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I, when you use Twitter, there's an advanced search where you can look and see everyone
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who has addressed another account by name.
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We looked at all the posts that anyone anywhere on the internet had said to Mrs. Lackey.
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There wasn't a single thing that was mean that was hateful.
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The only comment that we found was from one of our friends who said something nice to
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her, even in a thread where he was criticizing the fact that this book had been published.
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So for Larry and Bernel to say that the swarming of a woman on Twitter is slander.
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It is a lie.
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There is zero evidence for it.
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And it's one of these lies that these guys are happy to propagate because again, we've
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been labeled as trolls.
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So if it's a troll, no hold barred, you can say whatever you want about a troll because
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they're not really human.
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There's no, there's no question of sinning against a troll.
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So when they make those slander's accusations as pastors, as the guys who write the goddess
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blog, everyone who doesn't know anything automatically assumes that that actually happened.
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Most people believe that people were saying mean things to Mrs. Lackey on the internet.
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It literally never happened.
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I want to emphasize that it never happened.
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And at these men will repeat this over and over again and they're free to do so in their
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minds morally because the people speaking were pseudonymous.
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If they had not been pseudonymous, what would they have done?
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They would have called their pastors and said, you need to put this person on the lesser
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ban unless they repent for this sin where there was no sin.
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And they know that.
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So that's why we're talking about this because when someone makes accusations against a
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person without his name, they think they can't possibly sin against them.
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So when you see doxing and you see threats against livelihood and even flesh, they think
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it's okay, even though it's exactly what Antifa does.
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The post on goddess blog goes on.
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Finally, it's been our policy for several years not to allow anonymous posts.
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We decided we need to enforce it.
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There may have been a need for anonymity and discussing political and hot button social
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topics.
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But when it comes to discussing our faith, we are called upon to confess further putting
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your name on something requires that you put more thought into your comment to choose
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your words and your accusations more carefully and suggest subjects you to consequences within
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the church.
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They you'll be held accountable by your pastor and the case of pastors by your brothers
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and the ministerium.
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So that goes directly to what we just said.
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They don't want to discuss the ideas.
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They want punishment.
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They presume to act as judge, jury, and executioner in these theological discussions and they seek
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the destruction of the men with whom they disagree.
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There was another word that Larry used in their shovel for us and that absolutely came
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from him.
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He's a southerner.
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He's very proud of his southerner heritage and I respect that half my family is from
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the south.
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I get it.
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But I think it's ironic that in a discussion of a woman teaching theology, Larry and others
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would suddenly invoke these terms of chivalry and you can't say mean things to a girl.
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If you assume for the sake of argument that is legitimate for a girl to be teaching theology,
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she has stepped into the ring.
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She has made herself subject to criticism as every theologian is subject to criticism
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for what they say and whether they have the right to say it.
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So ironically, by begging chivalry as a defense of her honor, he was actually agreeing
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with us that she has no business talking about theology in the first place.
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And on Larry's own blog, he repeated a week later.
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Her pastor complained that she was being anonymously attacked on social media and he was angry
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and protective of this member of his flock.
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The nature of some social media platforms lends to swarming by trolls.
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This is where we are right now as men, who indeed are supposed to lead the church, refuse
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to use their real names, but instead approach theology with a mindset of a cowering keyboard
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warrior using a pseudonym.
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When it comes to the Christian faith, we should not resort to pseudo anything.
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We come from a long tradition of men and women, clergy and laity, willing to confess and
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take the consequences of their countercultural confession of Christ.
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Be strong and show yourself a man, O Christian.
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Now, he said some other things in the article.
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We did actually defend that there's an appropriate place for pseudonymity, but he specifically
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carved out a theology as a place where it's utterly impermissible, which is interesting
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when you look back to the Luther case where clearly Luther was speaking about theology.
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He was writing on theology and he was doing so pseudonymously.
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Pastors live sheltered lives, particularly pastors who go straight from seminary to, there
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is go straight from college to seminary to the parish.
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They never live a single day in the real life, so they don't know what to like to have an
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HR department, to have diversity, equity and inclusion training, to have annual multi-hour
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brainwashing sessions where you were forced to confess the sodomy and transgenderism and
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all of these other demonic evils are normative and tolerable and necessary parts of life.
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So this is what we're talking about, drawing the line between theology and politics.
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If someone is in the workplace and they're told that they have to call a coworker who
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is a man by his assumed name as a woman and his new identity, is that political or is
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that theological?
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Is that a lie he's allowed to tell because it's in the workplace and really it's not
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about John 316, so what if he calls John Jeanette?
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That's theological.
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That is a confession of the faith because to call a man a woman is to deny the creator
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of that person.
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That's a first article denial.
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When I was taught as a child, I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and
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earth and of all things, visible and invisible.
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That applies to me as a man and to someone else as a woman.
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And so for someone to come along and say, you need to call this man a woman.
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That's the most profound theological statement that I can make in this day because your employer
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is not attacking justification.
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He's not asking you to say, so do you think, let's see how you can save yourself before
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God?
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And it's not even a pinch of incense.
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He said, you need to deny your creator by saying that this person was made in a different
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image.
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Well, Satan has learned over the intervening centuries.
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We had the knockdown dragout fight that actually culminated in more than one war over justification.
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Satan is still attacking that with regard to the many false churches that exist, but
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he's not attacking us with that because you are not going to get Lutherans who deny
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article four.
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That's just not going to happen.
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But you don't need to do that if you can get them to go ahead and deny the first article
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of the creed.
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Because if you don't have the Father, well, you don't have the Son, the same as if you
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don't have the Son, don't have the Father, because God is one, three and one, of course.
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But that is how Satan is attacking the church today.
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It's how he's attacking Christians.
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He is attacking us with ontology, a word that people are going to hear a lot from this
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podcast, but probably not very much from anywhere else.
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The nature of things matters because God is the author of that nature.
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Yes, our nature is fallen because of sin.
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It is corrupted, but God is still the author of what that nature was intended to be and
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insofar as our nature reflects what God intended it to be.
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It is directly God's good creature, God's good creation.
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And when we deny that, it is, as you said, a denial of God.
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You cannot say that black is white and white is black.
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Woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
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God is very clear about this in Scripture.
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You do not get to deny the reality of things and continue to claim that you are in fact
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still a Christian because you've denied your creator.
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And all of these fights that are called social justice or critical theory, these things
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are coming from the so-called left hand kingdom, which is a dichotomy that we need to dissect
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and put in its proper place in a future episode.
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But when pastors like Larry say, well, if you're talking about the faith, you got to use
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your name.
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Well, it's talking about the faith to talk about sodomites and the fact that sodomites
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reproduce by raping children.
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One of the other pastors who has recently been posting some better things is Hans Feeney,
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the Lutheran satire guy.
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His last name is Feeney, but his grandfather was a priest.
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He's a member of the priest dynasty, which I say lovingly, not with any criticism.
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He's probably among the weakest of the prices, the current crop, the guys like Mark and
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Christian are outstanding.
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Rolf is one of the older ones.
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He's a great man who will boldly speak the truth about these things.
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And so recently, there was a comment from Hans on Twitter specifically talking about
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the fact that sodomites reproduce by raping children, which is a fact.
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I've had eight, I've had nine homosexual friends over the course of my life.
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Every single one of them had stories about their first sexual encounter with an adult
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when they were between 12 and 14.
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And they became sodomites themselves because that was the easiest way to cope with having
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been raped as a child.
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They were groomed first like it wasn't, it wasn't overtly forcible rape, but no one
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saying would agree that a 12 year old can consent to having sex.
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And yeah, that was the case in each of these.
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And so now that's anecdata, but it's also on our percent anecdata.
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And that is borne out by the surveys and by the discussions and by just talking to these
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people.
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They will all be open if they talk long enough about the fact that their first encounters
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with men of the same sex were as children, it's literally how they reproduce.
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Nobody wants to talk about that in the church because we want to talk about LGBTQ
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by identity.
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That is such a perverse and demonic acronym.
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It should never be in the mouth of any Christian and God forgive me for having said it, but
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I want to point out the fact that when you use those, the rainbow flag multi-colored aspect
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of, well, sexuality is just this huge, it's a variety of things, it can be anything.
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It cuts to the heart of theology.
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It cuts to the heart of God made man and woman and gave them to each other to be fruitful
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and multiply.
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And all of these perversions, which are not only damnable, but God repeatedly commands
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the physical destruction of those who commit those things.
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Homosexual men will actually go even farther than just discussing those things.
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Because as a psychological defense mechanism that's part of it, they will actually go so
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far as to brag about how young they were when they were molested, when they were raped.
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And a lot of pastors, I don't think, have ever been around that subset of the population,
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they don't understand these things.
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And another thing to go back to when you said that pastors are at least those who are
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first career, not second career, not going to be as insulated, but depending on the age
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still fairly insulated from what's happening today, they don't realize that what you just
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said, and by my sitting here, what I have said, and I agree with everything you said
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to be explicit about it.
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But simply by my sitting here, if I had just remained silent, I would be fired if I were
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working at a large corporation or even a medium size one, because someone would report
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me to HR and HR would fire me just because you said it and I was sitting here in silence.
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As I said, what is in Scripture?
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And that's where the fundamental disconnect is where these pastors don't understand.
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All this stuff is theology.
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Christian nationalism is theology, it's not politics.
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Just as whether or not a woman can be writing a theological book is theology, it's not politics.
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Whether a man can have sex with a man is not politics, it's theology.
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We have these artificial lines that we've begun to permit to be drawn by Satan in our
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world, and they're deliberately having us into a corner where there's effectively nothing
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left of the Christian life, except for talking about John 316, and otherwise just shut
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up in mind your own business, and that's effectively what these pastors are doing.
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You had mentioned second career, and you're absolutely right that the timing is vital to
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his credit Larry Bean as a second career guy, he originally had a real job, but he had
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a professional job, so he has experienced a rural world to some extent.
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But that was 15 years ago, going on 20 years ago before he went to seminary.
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I can tell you from the group of guys that we have now, we have a good mix of zoomers,
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millennials, and actors in the group, I've said this repeatedly, the 20-year-old guys
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in our group, the things that happened to them in college today are so much worse than
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that the 25-year-olds remember that they have a hard time believing it.
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Now imagine someone who's got another 20 years on that, you have no frame of reference.
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So a pastor who's been out of the workplace for 15 years literally has no idea what the
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workplace is like today when it comes to these things.
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He knows what it's like to have a boss, he knows what it's like to have co-workers and
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to navigate office politics and that stuff, but the specific theological warfare that's
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being waged by Satan against the consciences of Christians in the workplace everywhere,
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pastors have no idea.
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And pastors are insulated from this stuff.
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And I mention Hans, he alluded to these statistics about homosexuals reproducing by raping
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children.
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When someone mentioned, when someone challenged him in the comments, he then backpedaled.
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And so I'm just speculating, you know, why are we seeing in those numbers?
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I'm not going to make this claim with certainty because I wasn't there, but it is my firm belief
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based on supposition.
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Hans got that and many of his other good recent plate takes on Twitter in the last two months
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or so from Price Chat.
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I think that Mark and Christian had been an influence on the things that he said online
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recently because there are things he's never said before and there are things that you
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and I say all the time, the things that are quote unquote, based, there are things that
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we get you fired in the workplace for saying them.
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He's recently been saying them, which is good because when we say when we get banned
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from Twitter, he has immunity and we get banned from Twitter by Christians for saying
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them.
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But I'm glad that someone is least saying them and they're being heard because they're
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vitally important.
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You want to talk a little bit about the Stephen Wolf book and the Thomas A. Cortefer?
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Sure.
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A little bit.
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Just before that, I want to mention that I think it was two or maybe three years ago at
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this point.
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I got into the exact same issue, the fact that homosexuals Sodomites reproduced by raping
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children with Dapani, Simeyoki, a Finnish pastor, Lutheran pastor.
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And I made a statement along the same lines what we've been saying and he pushed back against
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it because his initial reaction, his innate sense of what he needs to do is he wants to
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become the defense of impenetent sinners against a Christian.
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And I, of course, double down, but that's, that is an ongoing battle that we have been
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having all over the place.
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And pastors are often either not fighting on the correct side or simply just not fighting
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at all.
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But to, to move on to what's happened with a court and you'll have to fill in some
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of the details, I think you may have followed this more closely than I have.
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But essentially what happened is a co-host of Ars Politica made some comments, true comments
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by and large.
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Some of them may have been, it may be a little uncharitable, harshly worded, but true statements
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on a pseudonymous account.
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It came out that it was his account.
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He's now admitted that in a post and essentially Twitter and other social media set up a lynch
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mob to destroy his life, to get him fired, to have him lose his income.
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This is a man who has wife and one child or I think it's a couple, yeah, he may have
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a couple.
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Yeah.
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But their whole goal was just to utterly destroy this man for saying things that 50 years
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ago, 60, 70, however long, not very long ago, you could have said on TV and no one would
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have just been a normal thing to hear and a lynch mob of insane people, evil wicked people
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decided to destroy him, many of whom prefaced their comments with as a Christian and then
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went on to say the most vile things about someone who actually is a Christian in order to
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destroy him.
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Yep.
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And the reason that the R's Politica podcast connection is relevant is that his co-host,
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Thomas's co-host of R's Politica is Stephen Wolf, who wrote the recent book on Christian
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nationalism, which is a subject we had just a couple weeks ago, so they're trying this
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whole thing has been a proxy attack on Christian nationalism by evil people.
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They see Christian nationalism as a subject as so dangerous to the satanic work that the
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devil and all of his demons are successfully advancing in the world.
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They used a proxy attack of the guy his co-host, like Thomas Acord didn't, as far as I
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know, contribute much of anything to the book.
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He just happened to be a friend of Stephen Wolf, the author.
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He was so important to Satan to destroy anyone's ability to even think about Christian
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nationalism that they destroyed a man they cost him his livelihood right in the hall
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day season.
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And then when someone set up a give send to go, which is like go fund me except for Christians,
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set up a give send to go charity drive for him, Christians then waged a campaign against
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give send go to deny him receiving that money that was charity from other Christians who
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wanted to help his family, because he just lost his job, which is to say they actually
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want him to starve literally, yes, starve.
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That's murder.
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That is attempted murder.
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It is murder in the heart, which is then manifesting itself as murder of the person.
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And it's being done because the things that he says, you said, some of the things like
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I wouldn't have phrased it that way.
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The points that he was trying to get to on his anonymous account are mostly things we've
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already said, just in the few short podcasts we've had about Christian nationalism, about
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race, about the fact that a nation is a race.
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If you talk about nationalism at all, you were nested it, serially talking about racism,
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about kinism, about belief that blood and soil go together and that that is scriptural.
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So that's what's under attack here.
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It's ironic that the people who are so hysterical against nationalism, they're implicitly
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advocating empire, because that's what the United States is today.
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It's an empire.
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It is a multi-ethnic empire, not in the sense that we have colonies in other places, but
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it is an empire of nations under one political umbrella called the United States.
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If we were a nation, there would be one racial group under its own dominion.
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We also do kind of have colonies, but that's a discussion of other time.
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Yeah, it is.
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But again, if you go back and listen to what we said in the Christian nationalism episode,
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it was going further than they ever go on Mars Politico, and I think further than Thomas
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was comfortable going in his public life, but the things that he believed were grounded
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in Scripture because they were true, and he was a headmaster of a Christian school, and
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so it's understandable that he would have been afraid to tell the truth under his real
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name, not because he's, well, it's tragic the way he handled the situation.
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He did everything wrong, because what he did after Rod Draer and others doxed him and
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attributed his suitonomous comments to his public persona.
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Rather than saying, yes, I said those things, I stand by them.
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Maybe I should have said something a little bit differently, but the principle of what
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I said is absolutely true.
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He threw himself under the bus.
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He said, oh, I was, what I said was evil.
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I was in a dark place at that time, which is a horrible thing to say, because that seeds
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the entire frame to the left, where it goes back to this whole loser anonymous troll
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thing, to say that, oh, someone can only believe what he said about race if you're a loser,
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if you're in a dark place, if you maybe need to put under a psychiatric hold.
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Those are the only people who are going to possibly believe these things.
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That throws all of us under the bus, so I wish he just kept his mouth shut because he
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did more harm in the aftermath than by anything you ever actually said.
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But these are the consequences.
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We will need an entire episode really on tactics and frame and related topics, since quite
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frankly, Christians are terrible at it.
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And it's a problem.
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Actively bad.
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Yeah.
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The Christian impulse to apologize to confess is weaponized by Satan in these cases, where
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Satan gets us confessing the things that aren't sins against God.
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And as soon as you do that, you have lost God.
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You have made a false confession.
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You were offering sacrifices.
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Yes.
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It is a first commandment violation to offer sacrifices to other gods, which is exactly
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what all these confessions of false sins are.
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But again, this goes back to the central point of this episode that Thomas Acord was
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a public figure on our political.
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And he was already hated for some of the things he said.
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But when his co-host published a book about Christian nationalism, the things that Thomas
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had also said about Christian nationalism on Twitter under a pseudonym suddenly became
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a way to destroy it.
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And the things that they want to destroy are the things that are true.
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And this gets back to what we're talking about earlier with Hans making his comments.
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And Larry calling us cowards, me in particular, because Larry doesn't know my name.
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So he can't call my pastor and say mean things about me.
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He has to just call me a coward online, which is fine.
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That's his right.
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It's sin.
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But we all have the right to quote unquote to sin.
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The reason I said earlier that these pastors, I think, are hiding behind their collars is
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that there's an implicit presumption in the claims from men like Larry and Hans when
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they say, well, if you just used your name, you would proclaim the truth boldly.
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The implicit claim that they are making is that with their collars on, with their real
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names, they're making the boldest proclamation and that no one could possibly make a bolder
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proclamation than they are.
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And that's what's really playing out here.
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Because someone who's pseudonymous says something that is quote unquote further to the
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right than these men, rather than, as in the case of the Mrs. Lackey episode, rather
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than saying, well, yeah, it is actually a question whether girls should be teaching theology.
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What do they do?
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They punch right.
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Because suddenly there is a man who has emerged who is trying to be more godly than them.
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And there's nothing that pisses off a Christian faster than someone who seems to be less with
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sin than them.
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Now on one hand, there is the obvious scriptural warrant against claiming to be without sin,
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which none of us would do.
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I can start an entire podcast separately, spin off from this about what a terrible person
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I have been in my life.
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And all the sins I continue to struggle with, the fact that I'm here talking should never
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in anyone's mind imply that I think I'm free from any degree of sin.
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I know I'm terrible.
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I'm less terrible than I was a few years ago because I've begun to confront these things
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more directly.
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And I've begun to confront these things more directly by looking to scripture.
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And when I look to scripture, I find things like women to remain silent in the churches.
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I find things like women or to have their heads covered in church, which is another scandal
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that's brewing in Lutheran church.
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When men who are not pastors find these things that were, as you said, they were the norm
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before Vatican II.
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They were the norm in all of Christianity, not just Lutheranism, women covered their heads
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in the fifties.
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Women didn't vote.
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What a preposterous idea of voting in church.
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It's despicable.
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Yet, these things that are normative today that are defended vehemently are, they're an
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achronistic.
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They have no place in a church where these things have never had any any scriptural justification.
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So men read the Bible.
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They say, hey, pastor, this isn't what we're doing.
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What's the deal?
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Rather than the pastors having their, their conscience is convicted by the Holy Spirit,
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they punch right, they attack right, hard.
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They won't go after the alka pastors that they're buddy, buddy with on Twitter for having
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been ordained by women dressed up in drag as tranny pastors like Ryan Cordell, who's
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good friends with lots of buffalo Twitter.
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They won't go after them, even though they're an open or unrepentant sin.
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And they are in a synod that is going to hell collectively unless they become Christian
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again.
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No, they punch right.
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They go after the guy who says, hey, maybe we should be doing better than we are doing.
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Because for you to say that a Christian could possibly sin is the worst thing you can
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ever do to say that someone could possibly sin, these men take as evil.
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When it's not, it is Christian love.
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Is there a bad way to do it?
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Absolutely.
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They're terrible ways to say, man, I think you're sinning.
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We try to avoid those and sometimes it's a struggle to avoid them.
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But that gives no one the excuse not to make the clear confession of the faith that is
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commanded of every Christian.
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And if you can't confess boldly, shut your mouth.
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I don't fault someone who doesn't want to lose his job and his mortgage from saying nothing.
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But if you want to wait into these waters, you better say what God says.
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You better not attack men because they're doing a better job than you.
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And that's what we're facing today.
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And that's what the pseudonym and he fight is about is the men who are caught anonymous,
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the pseudonymous men who are speaking with the clarity of scripture that the pastors
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will not, they're putting them to shame.
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And I think these pastors know that they are shamed by the men who are speaking more clearly
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than they are.
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How many of these pastors who claim to be boldly confessing everything in scripture have
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women voting in their congregations?
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I would wager this probably the majority if not all of them.
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I don't know.
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You can find it on some of their websites.
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But that's an evil thing.
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That's an evil and anachronistic thing that has no place in the church.
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And yet it is normed today.
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And so these guys who are like, well, you and I, you should boldly confess like I am.
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And then they keep their mouth shut when this stuff is going on.
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Give me a break.
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That's not a bold confession.
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That's hiding behind your collar.
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Well, and how many are communing women who support abortion?
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Or men who support abortion or open communists?
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Or any of a number of extremely high profile, obvious explicit sins?
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How many pastors even address the issue of abortion?
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At most you may get a tangential throwaway line in a sermon that implies that maybe abortion
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isn't such a good idea.
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But how often are pastors actually addressing the things that they know will get them in
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hot water?
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Well, maybe there's something in scripture about hot or cold instead of lukewarm.
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And maybe these pastors should be concerned about what they are doing and are not doing.
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But like you said, they always punch right.
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And so is the hand of fellowship to the left and nothing but violence toward the right.
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Because they want to look good to themselves and to the world.
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They want to be friendly with the world and they don't want anyone who by contrast makes
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them look like, well, maybe you aren't actually that Christian.
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Maybe you aren't actually obeying what God says because it looks like this person over
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here is actually saying the same things we find in this book.
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And you are watering them down.
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I have to agree with the way you made the abortion point, but I think that there's a way to make
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it correct.
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My anecdotal experience in the LCMS has been that every congregation I've ever been a
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part of has been rabidly pro-life.
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They've been very active in protesting abortion and funding for care centers to help those
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who are considering abortions.
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But where I would absolutely agree with you, I think virtually every pastor falls down.
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It's called a woman who seeks an abortion, a murderer because the abortion is always
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about the doctor.
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It's always about saving the life of a baby.
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It's never about a mother, but it's never ever about a mother hiring a hip man to murder
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her child and whether or not there are any women in his congregation who have hired
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hip men, which is all an abortion, quote, unquote, doctor is to murder her child.
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Now, because women don't sin, right?
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Yeah.
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It's not chivalrous to say that they could possibly do anything yet.
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The point to make is that, and again, bold confession also has to be done with sanity.
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Everything that I say on this podcast is a sort of thing that I say in person to people
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when the situation arises, sometimes I keep my mouth shut because I'm not a spurg.
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I'm not insane.
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I know, based on the context and the people I'm dealing with, whether or not I can have
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a fruitful conversation.
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So if someone, if someone at my congregation is openly pro-feminist, am I going to go
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directly after the things that fly in the face of that?
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No.
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Not because it's not true.
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Not because I'm ashamed of my confession, but because I know that the only way to change
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a feminist heart is to go around to find some way to address those errors.
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And frankly, the way is to get back to headship, which yes, it necessarily implicates feminism,
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but it's not a direct attack.
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It becomes an attack when they realize what's going on, but by then you're having a scriptural
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conversation.
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You're not having a personal one of accusation.
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So that's the difference between personal conversations and ones that happen online.
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As we talked about in the teaching episode number one, there are one-to-one relationships
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and there are one-to-many relationships where you discuss these things.
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Posting on Twitter or on a podcast or elsewhere is inherently one-to-many.
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So I speak with my voice and say most everything that I think, as I can convey it to people
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who will be receptive.
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Do I say absolutely everything I think on this podcast?
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No.
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Because it wouldn't be fruitful.
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In private conversation, I'll have those conversations with individuals.
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But again, it's not a question of shame or that I think that I'm hiding my sin from God.
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I don't think those things are sinful, but there are things that would not be productive
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to say on a podcast.
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There are things that I believe that would get this podcast deleted from all the podcast
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listings.
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So I will skirt those lines, not out of shame or out of a fear of proclamation, but
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understanding if I get shut down, no one hears anything.
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So there's a time and a place to address things and I don't fall people for choosing their
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battles, but like I said, choosing your battles means keeping your mouth shut, which I will
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do.
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I'll keep my mouth shut when the situation calls for it.
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Choosing your battles is never about punching quote-unquote right.
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I think that we're discussing this a few days ago.
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I think the left right spectrum, we all agree, is just about worthless.
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But at the same time, you kind of know what somebody means.
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When someone's to the left, there's an implication there that you can clearly understand what's
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going on.
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I think that at the far left, you have absolute satanic debauchery.
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You have complete departure from everything that God wants.
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And the closer you get to the right, ultimately, the closer you get to God's will, which is
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not to say that what is on the quote-unquote far right is necessarily godly, because there
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are a lot of pagans in those places who are instinctively trying to seek out godly things
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without knowing God, and that's never going to work.
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They're always going to make a mess, which is why I initially began talking about my Christian
01:10:39.120 --> 01:10:41.320
faith on Twitter about five years ago.
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I rebranded from one account to another and started talking about my faith because I saw
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this very issue.
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I saw that the confusion of politics and theology was actively destructive and was doing harm
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in the world.
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And I saw these guys on the right who didn't have God, but they had godly instincts about
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family, about vocation, about justice that are true and correct and fit perfectly with
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in a Christian worldview.
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And I look and see pastors attacking them for saying those things.
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And all I can do is grasp my head and think, what are these men doing?
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Trying to drive these men away from the church who are seeking out God in the best way
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that anyone can, but the pastors attack them because they're talking about things that
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are more godly than anything the pastor is willing to uphold within his congregation.
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And that's what this fight is about.
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And someone is pseudonymous when they don't face the immediate destruction of their personal
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life, of their family, of their livelihood, of their physical safety, yes, you can say
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things.
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They can't be said by someone who has a gun pointed his head, no kidding.
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And so for pastors to call us cowards because we don't expose our names and faces is it
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is itself cowardly.
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And let them go attack the left, let them go attack the men who learn at the feet of
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Sodomites rather than rebuking them.
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And then we will have a conversation about who is closer to what God wants.
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I actually don't think I've seen a single pastor on Twitter incidentally attack the leftist
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who all use pseudonyms.
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It's always the right.
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And I think we would do well to look at scripture as always.
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I don't think that Christ called us to be as smart as sheep.
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He used a different term there for a good reason.
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Yeah, modern Christianity is all about the innocent of stubs and completely leaves out
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the wisest serpents part.
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And that's a tough saying like many of Jesus sayings because the serpent was the craftiest
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of all animals and Satan possessed one and caused this whole mess.
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But we are not to be stupid, we are not to be fools.
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Being foolish is damnable.
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It is a sin to be a fool.
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We'll send you to hell.
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There's clear about that.
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And I think that the modern conception of Christianity, even within Lutheranism, is
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to embrace foolishness.
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Now not directly, but it's always done for the sake of the gospel.
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Well, we need to be foolish so that these people can have more Jesus.
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Why are you trying to give Jesus to people who are unrepentant in their sin?
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The law gospel dichotomy is a valuable distinction, but it has to correctly admit that you don't
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give the gospel to people who deny the law.
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You may hold it out as a promise to those who will follow the law who understand the law.
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But to say to someone who's unrepentant in their sin, let me tell you about Jesus and
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how you're all forgiven, is incoherent because they're unrepentant.
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They're like, but I'm free from sin.
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You have to start with convicting the conscience before you can get to the absolution.
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And these pastors who flee from the pseudonymous are afraid of having their consciousness convicted.
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That's ultimately what they're fleeing from.
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They don't want to hear men speaking about Scripture in a way that might possibly
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convict their own words and actions.
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And that's not to say that we're sitting in judgment or that we are greater Christians
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by any measure.
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A pastor devotes his entire life to one of sacrifice on behalf of his sheep as a shepherd.
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I have tremendous respect for that.
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So as hard as you'll ever hear me be on pastors, it is precisely because of the importance
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of the pastorial office that we are so adamant that pastors must be faithful and must not
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make these errors.
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One of my friends pointed out this past week, the great irony that all these pastors whose
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salaries are paid by men who are anonymous online are telling them to become non-anonymous
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and get fired and lose their jobs.
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One of these pastors things is going to happen to their salaries when anybody gets fired.
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When the most faithful men in your congregations who understand the ontological nature of these
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fights, when they get fired by the Sodomite and their HR department for saying this
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Sodomy is damnable, who's going to pay your bills?
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How are you going to afford Christmas for your kids when everyone in your parish can't
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afford to donate anything?
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That's a real question.
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And that's what this fight comes down to is to say that the bold Christian confession
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has to be mindless is, it's exactly what Satan wants.
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Satan wants men to be as innocent as doves and as dumb as sheep.
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There's no wisdom permitted in the world to say in a seeking because as long as men one
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by one get sent into the meek grinder of Salilinski's personal destruction, no one will ever
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be able to join voices.
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And the fight over Christian nationalism and all these other things is fundamentally
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about keeping each of us atomized to make sure that there's no unity of voice, that there's
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no consistency, that we all one by one, you say you're weird little thing and then you get
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doxed and then you have to admit how terrible you were and what a dark place you were in
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your life when you said it.
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And then everyone says all shocks, that's too bad.
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And you get your gifts and go canceled and then you're destroyed for life.
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One by one they want us destroyed, they want us isolated and kept apart.
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And the whole point of Christian nationalism, the whole point of the push towards overt Christian
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unity in the subjection to God is to say, hey, if all of us sheep are together and heard,
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the wolves can't pick us off, we get picked off when we're separated from the herd.
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That's why the lost sheep was such a big deal because that one sheep of the 99 was out
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alone.
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And the 99 were safe, they were together.
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They were still dumb as sheep, but they had strength in numbers because there was unity
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of just the mass of them.
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It was the one sheep who was in danger because he was off alone fending for himself.
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And that's what Satan's trying to do to everyone, pick us off, destroy us, send examples
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so that no one else will ever stray.
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Only in this case, the straying is not from Christianity, but it's straying from our
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churches into Christianity.
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And that's the fight that this is about.
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So as we wrap this episode up, I want to make a shocking reveal to won't really be a
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shocked anyone who's actually paid close attention to previous episodes.
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But this is also an episode about headship as pretty much all of them have been.
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The way that headship interacts with pseudonymity versus knowing a man's name points us back
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to Scripture.
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When we look at the sixth day of creation in Genesis 2 where Adam was created, let me just
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read this briefly.
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Then the Lord God said, it is not good that the man should be alone.
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I will make him a helper fit for him.
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Now out of the ground, the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of
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the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them.
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And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.
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The man gave names to the livestock and to the birds of the heavens and every beast of
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the field.
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But for Adam, there was not found a helper fit for him.
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So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man.
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And while he slept, took one of his ribs and closed up his place with flesh.
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And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man, he made into a woman and brought
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her to the man, then the man said, this at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.
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She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man.
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Now note that in both cases there for all the animals and then for the woman who was
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created, Adam as the designative head of creation under God had authority over the creatures
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and over eve by virtue.
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And as a part of his headship, that included naming them.
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Now that's very significant because to have a name is to have some form of authority over
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it.
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You know, when you're talking to someone, one of the first things you do is you want to
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ask their name.
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And that's sort of the natural inclination online except that in a place where pseudonymity
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is completely normative, it kind of shifts gears.
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And so when pastors are saying, I need to know your real name.
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They're not simply as, as Corey mentioned earlier, they're not simply trying to clarify.
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They're attempting to assert authority over you.
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And we can see this made clear at the other end of the scripture in Revelation 19.
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Then I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse.
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The one sitting on it was, is called faithful and true.
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And in righteousness he judges and makes war.
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His eyes are like a flame of fire and on his head or many diadams.
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And he has a name written that no one knows but himself.
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Now, sometimes in the past Christians have sort of fixated on this secret name of God.
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It's not particularly the New Testament.
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The implication for us that there is a name of God that is not known to us is one of
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authority.
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God has not given us that name to call him by because it is his own.
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And he has authority because only he knows it.
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As exactly what, though, you're a pseudonymous coward thing comes down to.
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Is it pastors don't know our name so they don't have authority over us.
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And they seek to reveal that which is hidden from them as an act of dominance.
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So when we go back to Larry Bean and the other pastor on Goddastine said John Bussman related
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to synodemity, I just want to quote Larry again.
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He accused me and my friends of quote, approaching theology with a mindset of a cowering keyboard
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warrior using a pseudonym.
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Now this is particularly rich coming from Larry to say that you're a coward if you don't
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use your real name.
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Everybody implying that he who uses his real name has the strength and the courage that
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is denied to those who do not use the real name.
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This is funny because I know for a fact that Larry Bean is well aware of the demon that
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we mentioned last week.
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Rick McCafferty is a pulpit, it is a Lutheran pastor in our own pulpits.
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He is an open and unrepentant universalist.
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And Larry knows this, Larry's not about this for many months.
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Now Larry has never said anything about it on his blog.
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He's never said anything about Goddastine.
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He has multiple blogs.
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I couldn't find him saying anything anywhere.
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I don't care if he wrote a letter to Rick McCafferty's beat deep here or not, who by the
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way endorses this stuff because he put it on the district website.
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Larry is the coward here because Larry, rather than punching to his own level, going after
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pastors and pulpits that he shares by virtue of also being in the synod, there's a man
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who's a universalist who's going to hell and is going to take his sheep with him.
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Larry knows, Larry is silent.
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He's completely silent.
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I am naming Rick McCafferty and other anons have gone after him as well because no pastors
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will do it.
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Now tell me who's the coward.
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I'm using a pseudonym, but I'm naming a real man.
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Is that cowardly?
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No.
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The point is the church.
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The point is what's happening in the church.
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The reason that these men like Larry are pissed off that there are synonymous men addressing
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these issues is that the men like Larry are too afraid to do it because you know what?
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The Missouri Synod amended its bylaws to make it a corporate crime for a pastor to publicly
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denounce another pastor's faithlessness.
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That's evil.
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That is absolutely evil.
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This is an evil synod today that would say that a pastor is enjoined from addressing
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the error of others publicly.
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That has never happened in the history of theology.
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It's wound up in false interpretations of the 8th Commandment and Matthew 18 that have
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been roundly refuted for a long time.
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Goddastines that self-published something that I transcribed a number a month ago from
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Professor Markcord, who's sainted now, who clearly laid out that these claims that if
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a pastor or anyone else does something theological and you don't like it because it's not scriptural,
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you must approach them in private to deal with it.
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That's nonsense.
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It's not scriptural.
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It's not from God.
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What is is its camouflage and its cover for evil men to continue doing their evil things.
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So Corey, you and I are addressing these things publicly because they are public matters.
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Rick McCafferty is a public universalist and Larry Bean is a public coward for not naming
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him.
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Rather, he punches down.
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Ironically, the very men who are further to the right than him who are pseudonymous,
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who defend him when other pastors like Matt Stannock and Jeremy Stanky and some of these
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other vipers slander him for being a Confederate is Osad somehow that's a bad thing.
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When Larry respects his ancestors from the south, he's obeying the 4th Commandment, there's
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nothing evil about that.
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But just like these guys attack Christian nationalism, they attack all these other things
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in the attack racism.
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It is fundamentally all an attack on the church.
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So for Larry to be attacking a non's quote unquote, he's attacking the only guys in the
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Senate who actually have his back.
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And I have his back too.
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I really like Larry.
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I respect him a lot.
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By calling him out here, I'm not disavowing him or throwing under the bus.
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I'm simply pointing out that this misconstrual of pseudonymity as some vice or some weakness
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is nonsense.
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And it's punching to the right and it's attacking the very men who were the, frankly,
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the only ones who were actually fighting for what remains of the Senate's faithfulness.
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Goddastines is a great place and I like what they do, but they're fighting for the liturgy.
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That fight is in the revier mirror.
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We're fighting now for the first article.
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For whether or not we even believe in God anymore.
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That's what we're losing control of.
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I love the liturgy, but it's not protecting us from these universalists anymore than
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the Constitution has protected this country from people subverting it because when you
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take something like the liturgy or the Constitution, you can use it as cover for whatever you
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want to do.
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And addressing that is something that the Anons are doing, that the pseudonymists are doing.
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And I welcome the support of other pastors to get out in front of these things.
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Like we said on the very first episode, Cory and I are the stones who are crying out because
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these men, these pastors who are not anonymous are failing to do so.
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We would have nothing to say if these pastors who hate pseudonymity would just do their
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damn jobs.
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And if they think it's their job to punch down and to attack the pseudonymous men who
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are addressing theology, then they certainly must confess that it's their job to address
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universalists and vipers in their own pulpits.
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So let's see that happen.
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00:00:28 – 00:00:43: Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast, I am Corey J. Moller, and I'm Woe.
00:00:43 – 00:00:50: In this episode we will be discussing anonymity, pseudonymity, and a number of related issues.
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00:02:29 – 00:02:34: So today's episode is going to be about a topic that we've had in mind for a while.
00:02:34 – 00:02:40: It has come to the fore with recent events that have spilled out on Twitter and elsewhere.
00:02:40 – 00:02:47: The subject is pseudonymity or anonymity versus men who use their full Christian names when
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00:02:50 – 00:02:56: When people describe us as anonymous, or most people online as anonymous, it's really
00:02:56 – 00:02:57: a mismanumer.
00:02:57 – 00:03:01: To be anonymous is to have no attribution whatsoever.
00:03:01 – 00:03:07: The definition of anonymous is nameless, wanting a name without the real name of the author.
00:03:07 – 00:03:12: So for example, if someone leaves a pamphlet on your windshield and there's no attribution
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00:03:16 – 00:03:18: You have no idea where it came from.
00:03:18 – 00:03:23: On the other hand, if there's a copyright statement or there's some sort of group name or
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00:03:29 – 00:03:34: It's not necessarily a specific person that you can attribute it to, but you can attribute
00:03:34 – 00:03:38: it in generally what they have said to their identity.
00:03:38 – 00:03:41: So I, for example, am not anonymous.
00:03:41 – 00:03:43: I have never been anonymous online.
00:03:43 – 00:03:44: I am pseudonymous.
00:03:44 – 00:03:49: I've had multiple aliases over the years, not because I was up to anything sketchy, but
00:03:49 – 00:03:52: frankly, I kept getting banned from Twitter.
00:03:52 – 00:03:57: And so when I came back, I had to change my name or I would immediately get rebanned.
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00:04:07 – 00:04:12: He must have been a real jerk or he used terrible language or he was abusive or something.
00:04:12 – 00:04:16: You know, obviously, if I was banned, I must have deserved it somehow.
00:04:16 – 00:04:20: Well, what has come out and what is going to come out even further as Elon rips back
00:04:20 – 00:04:25: the veil is that the people doing the banning, which all of us who were getting banned,
00:04:25 – 00:04:27: knew for a fact.
00:04:27 – 00:04:31: The banners were trannies, were sodomites, were pedophiles.
00:04:31 – 00:04:36: Those are the people who didn't want me on Twitter, who didn't want me talking.
00:04:36 – 00:04:41: So if you think that you're on the same page as those guys morally, that's probably a
00:04:41 – 00:04:45: bigger question that we can ever answer on one of our episodes, but you should spend
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00:04:47 – 00:04:51: So I am pseudonymous, not because I'm ashamed of anything I say.
00:04:51 – 00:04:56: I mean, the fact that I'm now, you know, putting my voice to it, it makes it inevitable.
00:04:56 – 00:05:00: At some point, I will to be doxed and there will be absolute attribution to everything
00:05:00 – 00:05:02: I've ever said, which I'm fine with.
00:05:02 – 00:05:04: I'm not fine with being doxed.
00:05:04 – 00:05:10: That's an evil, murderous thing for people to do, but there is no shame in anything that
00:05:10 – 00:05:15: I have said, the things that I say online are the same things that I say in person.
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00:05:21 – 00:05:25: you have the other individual in front of you, their particular views where they're coming
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00:05:30 – 00:05:33: On the internet, it's different.
00:05:33 – 00:05:34: The audience is a generic one.
00:05:34 – 00:05:40: So in a sense, it's easier to speak directly to what I think, not because I'm hiding something
00:05:40 – 00:05:44: in person and I'm blunt on the internet.
00:05:44 – 00:05:49: It's just that I don't have to assume any particular givens for whom I'm speaking to.
00:05:49 – 00:05:52: So I'm not anonymous.
00:05:52 – 00:05:58: I'm in a attributable voice that has everything I've ever said.
00:05:58 – 00:06:02: You can look at the very pseudonyms and say, yeah, this guy has said all that stuff and
00:06:02 – 00:06:03: I did.
00:06:03 – 00:06:05: Am I proud of all of it?
00:06:05 – 00:06:06: No.
00:06:06 – 00:06:07: I've said things were stupid.
00:06:07 – 00:06:10: I've made tweets in the past that I deleted because that was awful.
00:06:10 – 00:06:11: I shouldn't have said that.
00:06:11 – 00:06:13: I'm a human being.
00:06:13 – 00:06:18: So to say that I'm not ashamed of what I've posted doesn't necessarily mean I've never
00:06:18 – 00:06:23: said anything idiotic because I have, but I've never said anything evil because I have.
00:06:23 – 00:06:30: But the salient facts of the reasons that I was banned and will probably be banned again
00:06:30 – 00:06:35: even with Elon are theological in nature.
00:06:35 – 00:06:39: They come down to why all these fights are happening in the world and frankly why we're
00:06:39 – 00:06:40: doing this podcast.
00:06:40 – 00:06:46: So just at the outset, I want to make clear that when you say that people like me are anonymous,
00:06:46 – 00:06:50: they're abusing the word forechan and the other image boards.
00:06:50 – 00:06:53: Those are anonymous image boards.
00:06:53 – 00:06:57: When you go to one, you click on a forum or a topic group, you click on a thread, you
00:06:57 – 00:07:02: go down to the bottom, you just type in whatever you want to say and send and it appears.
00:07:02 – 00:07:03: There's no login.
00:07:03 – 00:07:07: There's no attribution you show up as anonymous.
00:07:07 – 00:07:14: That's an interesting case because there's no reputation there and someone who is keen
00:07:14 – 00:07:16: on reputation will think, oh, well, that's terrible.
00:07:16 – 00:07:18: People can do whatever.
00:07:18 – 00:07:24: But there's a flip side to that also is that you don't get any credit for being some brilliant
00:07:24 – 00:07:27: person or for having certain credentials.
00:07:27 – 00:07:33: You show up on the timeline with ever, whatever your current thought was and then you vanish.
00:07:33 – 00:07:34: You never get any credit for it.
00:07:34 – 00:07:37: You can't take credit because you're anonymous.
00:07:37 – 00:07:39: That's what anonymous means.
00:07:39 – 00:07:40: Again, I'm pseudonymous.
00:07:40 – 00:07:46: I have years of posting on various pseudonyms that I take credit for all of it.
00:07:46 – 00:07:47: Those are my thoughts.
00:07:47 – 00:07:48: It's funny.
00:07:48 – 00:07:52: I looked back at some of the things I was tweeting two, three years ago and their every
00:07:52 – 00:07:57: bit is relevant today as they were then, even though when I was saying it then, a lot
00:07:57 – 00:07:59: of the things I was saying for the first time.
00:07:59 – 00:08:04: In fact, many of them were addressing this very question.
00:08:04 – 00:08:08: It's interesting that you and I Courier are the two people talking about this because
00:08:08 – 00:08:15: you are the least anonymous Lutheran out there who's the target of these very attacks.
00:08:15 – 00:08:22: I'd like to first ask you is not a pseudonymous man, is Corey J. Mallor, who puts your name
00:08:22 – 00:08:23: on everything.
00:08:23 – 00:08:25: You are the ideal case.
00:08:25 – 00:08:30: You're the ideal case for what these pastors think everyone should be doing.
00:08:30 – 00:08:35: All the folks maybe don't know behind the scenes what it's like being Corey and a world
00:08:35 – 00:08:39: where you say things that you believe that are hated by the world.
00:08:39 – 00:08:45: Yes, saying that I am not anonymous or even pseudonymous is almost an understatement
00:08:45 – 00:08:48: considering my website is my name.
00:08:48 – 00:08:55: I have my actual profile picture of me on all of my accounts.
00:08:55 – 00:09:00: In fact, it's in front of the brewery I go to after church, no less.
00:09:00 – 00:09:02: Pretty much everyone knows I live in East Tennessee.
00:09:02 – 00:09:06: It's not hard to find the church I attend.
00:09:06 – 00:09:11: That's relevant because I have had individuals, pastors, in fact, who disagree with the things
00:09:11 – 00:09:21: we have said, who have contacted my pastor, basically an proxy attempt to harass me.
00:09:21 – 00:09:25: Even beyond that, there's the obvious social media you get death threats and things like
00:09:25 – 00:09:26: that.
00:09:26 – 00:09:32: Sometimes I've had particularly lovely DMs show up on Twitter and on Facebook back when
00:09:32 – 00:09:33: I used that.
00:09:33 – 00:09:35: That's been a long time ago though.
00:09:35 – 00:09:42: Really, what those who say they do not want anonymity, really pseudonymity, but those
00:09:42 – 00:09:46: who say they don't want it, they want the ability to harass people.
00:09:46 – 00:09:47: That's what they're saying.
00:09:47 – 00:09:49: They don't want to engage with the idea.
00:09:49 – 00:09:52: They just want the potential.
00:09:52 – 00:09:58: They want the power over that person to harass him and if they can destroy him.
00:09:58 – 00:10:00: I'm a little more insulated than some.
00:10:00 – 00:10:06: I'm not working for a large law firm as an attorney and so they can't call my supervisor
00:10:06 – 00:10:08: and get me fired.
00:10:08 – 00:10:11: They absolutely would if they could.
00:10:11 – 00:10:15: I do not for a second doubt that some of the people from Twitter and elsewhere have
00:10:15 – 00:10:17: complained to the bar.
00:10:17 – 00:10:21: I haven't done anything that violates any rules, so all they've done is annoy some
00:10:21 – 00:10:28: peon at the bar, but it's very obvious the pattern of behavior in which they're engaging
00:10:28 – 00:10:30: what it is they want to do.
00:10:30 – 00:10:36: They do not want to have a conversation as they will sometimes say they don't want to
00:10:36 – 00:10:38: know the man on the other side of the screen.
00:10:38 – 00:10:40: That's not it.
00:10:40 – 00:10:45: They want to be able to locate that man to harass and destroy him.
00:10:45 – 00:10:48: It is malice that animates these men.
00:10:48 – 00:10:54: In some cases, there's also a bit of foolishness there, but ultimately it's malice.
00:10:54 – 00:10:55: Yeah.
00:10:55 – 00:11:00: And we were talking about this yesterday, the particularly hilarious thing about whenever
00:11:00 – 00:11:06: these guys complain about anons as like these evil slanders, they always ignore the fact
00:11:06 – 00:11:09: that you exist under your real name.
00:11:09 – 00:11:15: While simultaneously whenever they refer to you in particular, they treat you like
00:11:15 – 00:11:21: Voldemort on Twitter, they'll, they're afraid to type the name Corey Moller because they're
00:11:21 – 00:11:25: afraid that somehow you're going to like appear like bloody Mary.
00:11:25 – 00:11:31: And so they will have done that a couple times just to mess with them, but they were asking
00:11:31 – 00:11:32: for it.
00:11:32 – 00:11:33: Yeah.
00:11:33 – 00:11:38: It's well deserved, but like they know your name and they're too afraid to say it.
00:11:38 – 00:11:42: You're like Voldemort to these people who are intimately familiar with that ridiculous
00:11:42 – 00:11:48: illusion, they, they, they have a name and then they won't use it, as you said, except
00:11:48 – 00:11:55: to personally target you to seek harm against you in your life, in your livelihood and
00:11:55 – 00:11:56: in your church.
00:11:56 – 00:11:58: Well, they got me banned from Twitter.
00:11:58 – 00:11:59: Yeah.
00:11:59 – 00:12:00: Me too.
00:12:00 – 00:12:01: Yeah, I was.
00:12:01 – 00:12:06: Well, my Moller LCMS account on Twitter, fellow Christians got that one banned.
00:12:06 – 00:12:10: I'm sure there were some others who were in there as well, but I had to accounts.
00:12:10 – 00:12:17: I was not avoiding a ban or a suspension because my main account, which is my name, my
00:12:17 – 00:12:19: full name I had had since 2012.
00:12:19 – 00:12:24: So I wasn't really planning that far advanced to avoid a suspension.
00:12:24 – 00:12:25: I had Moller LCMS.
00:12:25 – 00:12:30: I originally intended to sort of split the two address politics and such on the main
00:12:30 – 00:12:33: account and religious topics on the other.
00:12:33 – 00:12:37: I wound up using the other almost exclusively because I was mostly talking about religious
00:12:37 – 00:12:39: topics and very little about politics.
00:12:39 – 00:12:47: But the reason the thing they used to report me to get me banned was they mass reported
00:12:47 – 00:12:54: a particular tweet where I said that the punishment for the production of pornography should be
00:12:54 – 00:12:55: capital punishment.
00:12:55 – 00:12:57: I said they should be executed.
00:12:57 – 00:13:02: That is a call for a change in the law, of course, but they all mass reported it as a threat,
00:13:02 – 00:13:05: which of course is bearing false witness against me.
00:13:05 – 00:13:10: But they used that in order to get me banned and that was largely fellow Christians.
00:13:10 – 00:13:14: My main account got banned because I said something about the Eastern Orthodox and somehow
00:13:14 – 00:13:19: someone brought it to the attention of Rod Dreyer and I know he's the one who got me
00:13:19 – 00:13:24: banned because for those who aren't familiar with how this works, when you get banned
00:13:24 – 00:13:30: suspended whatever they want to call it, you receive an email with the reason.
00:13:30 – 00:13:34: Now it's probably a vague reason it may not be a relevant reason, but you get an email
00:13:34 – 00:13:36: that contains a reason.
00:13:36 – 00:13:41: If you are reported by a blue check because they have a special back channel, you receive
00:13:41 – 00:13:43: nothing.
00:13:43 – 00:13:45: Your account is just all of a sudden suspended.
00:13:45 – 00:13:47: You can no longer log in.
00:13:47 – 00:13:53: And that is what happened to my main account right after I interacted with Rod Dreyer and
00:13:53 – 00:13:57: I have the screenshots that's easy to find.
00:13:58 – 00:14:05: I'd like to apologize to our audience for this extremely online talk.
00:14:05 – 00:14:10: There's a lot of stuff that happens on Twitter and Facebook and elsewhere that the reason
00:14:10 – 00:14:14: that we're talking about this, this is not sour grapes over our accounts.
00:14:14 – 00:14:21: This is about the much more fundamental issue of what is falsely called the culture war
00:14:21 – 00:14:26: where people confuse theology with politics and vice versa.
00:14:26 – 00:14:30: They're not able to understand where the line is if there's a line at all.
00:14:30 – 00:14:34: So the reason we're talking about this is that we're trying to ultimately talk about
00:14:34 – 00:14:38: where that line is between theology and politics because it's not where these guys are
00:14:38 – 00:14:39: drawing it.
00:14:39 – 00:14:43: And for better or worse, these things play out online.
00:14:43 – 00:14:48: So while a lot of stuff happens on Twitter and elsewhere, we never want this podcast
00:14:48 – 00:14:52: to be about the internet drama, about e-drama, like that's exhausting.
00:14:52 – 00:14:53: I don't want to hear it.
00:14:53 – 00:14:55: I know you don't want to hear it if you care about this podcast.
00:14:55 – 00:15:02: So please don't mistake what we're saying is being about us and our accounts, whatever.
00:15:02 – 00:15:07: But as Corey just said, the fact that Christians have gone after us to remove us from being
00:15:07 – 00:15:13: able to speak at all because they don't like what we say about theology, that's much
00:15:13 – 00:15:17: more deeply rooted than just internet talk.
00:15:17 – 00:15:20: Like that's not about any particular website.
00:15:20 – 00:15:24: That's a fundamental question of how the church is to operate, which is what we're talking
00:15:24 – 00:15:26: about today.
00:15:26 – 00:15:32: So I've already defined a pseudonym, but I'd just like to give you a few examples of if
00:15:32 – 00:15:37: you think the pseudonyms are evil or they're a bad thing, anyone who knows Adamalgy knows
00:15:37 – 00:15:40: that pseudomines false in Greek.
00:15:40 – 00:15:46: Now that's in English, that has a very negative connotation to say something is false is the
00:15:46 – 00:15:47: opposite of true.
00:15:47 – 00:15:49: So that's gross.
00:15:49 – 00:15:53: Like you won't find someone who's more obsessed with the truth than me.
00:15:53 – 00:15:59: So for me to be saying something that pseudonyms are great or pseudonyms are fine, you could
00:15:59 – 00:16:06: easily think falsely that I am somehow being an hypocrite.
00:16:06 – 00:16:13: pseudonyms are aliases, they're nicknames, they're fictitious names, stage names, pen
00:16:13 – 00:16:17: names, they're regnal names as well.
00:16:17 – 00:16:23: So it's very common for kings and every pope to assume a new name when they ascend to
00:16:23 – 00:16:25: their office.
00:16:25 – 00:16:30: Most people listening have probably heard of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, you've all heard
00:16:30 – 00:16:31: of Pope Francis.
00:16:31 – 00:16:32: That's his pseudonym.
00:16:32 – 00:16:39: He's not Francis, he's Torre, but in his office he has assumed the pseudonym.
00:16:39 – 00:16:45: Now in his case, there's no disconnect between the two identities, but the identity of
00:16:45 – 00:16:51: Pope has with it that association where a pseudonym goes along with it.
00:16:51 – 00:16:56: It's also common as I mentioned, you know, stage names or in pen names, you know, everyone
00:16:56 – 00:17:00: knows Mark Twain, almost as many no Samuel Clemens.
00:17:00 – 00:17:06: The man was Samuel, the author was Mark, they were the same guy.
00:17:06 – 00:17:10: Very few of you probably would recognize the same easier Daniela Vitch, but you all know
00:17:10 – 00:17:12: Kirk Douglas.
00:17:12 – 00:17:16: No one would know who I was talking about when I mentioned Bernard Schwartz, but everybody
00:17:16 – 00:17:20: knows who Tony Curtis is.
00:17:20 – 00:17:26: Some people might recognize a name named Nimrada Randhawa, but you all know Nicky Haley.
00:17:26 – 00:17:33: And here's a great one, Alisa Zenovienia, Zenovvend, I could say this earlier, Zenovend
00:17:33 – 00:17:40: Venevna Rosenbaum, who became Alice O'Connor and then became Ein Rand.
00:17:40 – 00:17:45: Now nobody knows Alisa, but everybody knows Ein.
00:17:45 – 00:17:50: In the case of those people, those were all Jews who came into Western countries.
00:17:50 – 00:17:56: They shapeshifted into assuming our names so that when you heard Bernard Schwartz, you
00:17:56 – 00:17:59: think, well, that guy's probably a Jew.
00:17:59 – 00:18:02: Tony Curtis, like that's the, that's a waspious name imaginable.
00:18:02 – 00:18:09: So maybe he's a Irish or Italian, but you wouldn't think that he was from the land of
00:18:09 – 00:18:11: his origin and the people of his origin.
00:18:11 – 00:18:15: So those are people who assume pseudonyms in order to shapeshift.
00:18:15 – 00:18:18: I have a pseudonym just because that's how the internet works.
00:18:18 – 00:18:22: I've been on the internet for decades and I've had, I had lost how many count on how many
00:18:22 – 00:18:23: pseudonyms I've had.
00:18:23 – 00:18:26: Again, not because like I'm covering my tracks.
00:18:26 – 00:18:35: It's just that my identity online is not, it's just a pointer to my voice.
00:18:35 – 00:18:41: So for example, Corey, you and I are in a group of a bunch of Lutherans, 50 odd guys.
00:18:41 – 00:18:44: I know your name and I won't know one or two other guys, Christian names.
00:18:44 – 00:18:50: The names that are written in the book of life for eternity as we talked about last week.
00:18:50 – 00:18:55: But the vast majority, I only know pseudonyms and some of them have changed their pseudonyms
00:18:55 – 00:18:56: fairly often.
00:18:56 – 00:19:00: Now, this is an interesting case because one of the things that we do in this group is
00:19:00 – 00:19:06: we will regularly pin prayer requests for guys, you know, sometimes half a time, a dozen
00:19:06 – 00:19:12: times a day where someone is about to have the birth of a child or the child is sick or
00:19:12 – 00:19:18: they're looking for a wife or they have a parent who's sick or dying, all sorts of
00:19:18 – 00:19:24: things that happen in real life that are consequential, that are meaningful for prayer.
00:19:24 – 00:19:29: And in every one of those cases, it's somebody with a pseudonym who's saying, hey guys, please
00:19:29 – 00:19:31: pray for me.
00:19:31 – 00:19:38: Now, because we understand what pseudonyms are for, we don't think, well, I'm going to ask
00:19:38 – 00:19:41: God to pray for night George and his new baby.
00:19:41 – 00:19:46: I hope God knows who I'm talking about because I don't, like that's nonsense.
00:19:46 – 00:19:47: I know who he is.
00:19:47 – 00:19:48: I know things about him.
00:19:48 – 00:19:49: I just don't know his name.
00:19:49 – 00:19:52: I don't care about his name and it's not apathy.
00:19:52 – 00:19:56: It's that to me, he's KG and he's a close friend.
00:19:56 – 00:19:57: God knows who he is.
00:19:57 – 00:20:03: So when I take night George to God in prayer, I don't have any doubt that God knows exactly
00:20:03 – 00:20:04: who I'm talking about.
00:20:04 – 00:20:07: And the same is true of my pseudonym.
00:20:07 – 00:20:11: God knows exactly who I am when I'm posting on the internet.
00:20:11 – 00:20:17: And these pastors, these people who get angry that someone is posting without accountability,
00:20:17 – 00:20:21: they want accountability, want to hold somebody's feet to the fire, is though, I think that
00:20:21 – 00:20:25: I'm tricking God by using a different name than the one that's written in the book of
00:20:25 – 00:20:26: life.
00:20:26 – 00:20:27: I have no such delusions.
00:20:27 – 00:20:30: I am accountable for every careless word.
00:20:30 – 00:20:34: Like I said, I've had careless words and sometimes I'm ashamed of them like, nope, I got
00:20:34 – 00:20:39: to get rid of that because that was, I should not have done that.
00:20:39 – 00:20:43: That was shame before God because I said it and God saw me see it.
00:20:43 – 00:20:47: The fact that it was attributed online to a pseudonym is meaningless between me and my
00:20:47 – 00:20:48: creator.
00:20:48 – 00:20:55: And the fact that some pastor who gets mad at me doesn't know my name is totally immaterial.
00:20:55 – 00:20:58: As you said earlier, these guys never want to actually discuss the things we want to
00:20:58 – 00:20:59: discuss.
00:20:59 – 00:21:03: They will think that they're slandering you by calling you slavery, Lutheran.
00:21:03 – 00:21:05: And I grew to you completely on that subject.
00:21:05 – 00:21:10: We'll do an episode probably pretty soon about slavery and what God says about slavery because
00:21:10 – 00:21:11: it's not what these men say.
00:21:11 – 00:21:13: It's not what the world say.
00:21:13 – 00:21:18: But rather than dealing with the text of Scripture, they just want to go straight for
00:21:18 – 00:21:24: ad hominem and discrediting the person rather than talking about the ideas.
00:21:24 – 00:21:30: And so, pseudonymity is valuable in that case because it keeps, keeps the attacks away from
00:21:30 – 00:21:35: the person and forces the discussion onto the ideas.
00:21:35 – 00:21:37: As I've said before and elsewhere, I have no credentials.
00:21:37 – 00:21:39: I'm not a pastor.
00:21:39 – 00:21:40: I don't know Greek.
00:21:40 – 00:21:42: I have no training for any of this.
00:21:42 – 00:21:43: I freely admit that.
00:21:43 – 00:21:48: And if you think that that disqualifies me from being heard, then no listen.
00:21:48 – 00:21:49: That's fine.
00:21:49 – 00:21:53: If in spite of the fact that I have no credentials, you hear what I say and think, huh, that's
00:21:53 – 00:21:54: interesting.
00:21:54 – 00:21:57: Or, wow, I really think this is valuable.
00:21:57 – 00:22:01: That's between you and your understanding of Scripture through what the Holy Spirit
00:22:01 – 00:22:05: has revealed to you that you would hear what I say and say, yeah, I think they agree
00:22:05 – 00:22:06: with that.
00:22:06 – 00:22:08: It's got nothing to do with credentials.
00:22:08 – 00:22:15: So, guys who need their collar and their avatar online and they need to have their titles
00:22:15 – 00:22:21: in order to be recognized, I think, is a very different kind of hiding behind something.
00:22:21 – 00:22:24: They accuse me of hiding behind a pseudonym.
00:22:24 – 00:22:27: Frankly, I think most of them are hiding behind their collars.
00:22:27 – 00:22:33: Well, as mentioned, that is one of the benefits of pseudonymity is that the only thing that
00:22:33 – 00:22:36: matters is what you said.
00:22:36 – 00:22:42: And so those who are pseudonymous cannot make an appeal to credentials or to experience
00:22:43 – 00:22:46: anything outside of what they have said.
00:22:46 – 00:22:50: And so it is wholly about the argument.
00:22:50 – 00:22:55: And in this case, we are basing everything we say on Scripture.
00:22:55 – 00:23:00: And so those who are making these points under a pseudonymous account are simply making
00:23:00 – 00:23:03: the point they are not saying, well, I'm a pastor.
00:23:03 – 00:23:09: So you have to listen to me or I have this degree or that degree or this knowledge.
00:23:09 – 00:23:13: In my case, I'm obviously not pseudonymous.
00:23:13 – 00:23:16: But I am still making an appeal to the things I have said.
00:23:16 – 00:23:21: You will note that on my website and on my accounts, I'm not adding all the letters
00:23:21 – 00:23:23: that I could add after my name.
00:23:23 – 00:23:27: I did for a little while simply to annoy a handful of people that really found that
00:23:27 – 00:23:31: noxious because it amused me.
00:23:31 – 00:23:35: But I've removed all that stuff because it's not actually particularly relevant to the
00:23:35 – 00:23:37: things I'm saying.
00:23:37 – 00:23:44: Yes, if the topic of European Union antitrust comes up, okay, fine.
00:23:44 – 00:23:46: My credentials are now relevant.
00:23:46 – 00:23:48: My training is relevant.
00:23:48 – 00:23:51: But when it comes to these things, we are appealing to the Word of God.
00:23:51 – 00:23:56: We are appealing to those who have the Spirit to hear God's voice and the things we are
00:23:56 – 00:23:57: saying.
00:23:57 – 00:24:00: And so the credentials are not relevant.
00:24:00 – 00:24:04: Is being a pastor relevant to some of this stuff in some way?
00:24:04 – 00:24:09: Well certainly when it comes to the stricter judgment, but in a very real way, the only
00:24:09 – 00:24:16: thing that is relevant is whether or not the man who is speaking is repeating God's word.
00:24:16 – 00:24:21: He may have whatever sort of clothing he wants on.
00:24:21 – 00:24:26: He may have whatever degrees he wants, but what matters is what he is saying and being pseudonymous
00:24:26 – 00:24:33: is actually in some way a benefit with regard to that.
00:24:33 – 00:24:35: And it's not unprecedented within the faith he learned earlier.
00:24:35 – 00:24:39: I mentioned we have a friend who goes by night, George, for obvious reasons.
00:24:39 – 00:24:44: That's the Junker Yorg was one of Luther's pseudonyms when he was pursued by men who
00:24:44 – 00:24:47: were trying to murder him.
00:24:47 – 00:24:52: Yeah, and many, many people don't actually, I think that many people would not actually
00:24:52 – 00:24:54: know who Junker Yorg is.
00:24:54 – 00:24:56: They don't know that story.
00:24:56 – 00:25:04: But after the diet of Vorms in 1521, Friedrich the Wise, one of Luther's patrons had him
00:25:04 – 00:25:07: kidnapped, so to speak.
00:25:07 – 00:25:12: He had him intercepted in the countryside on the way back from the diet because he had
00:25:12 – 00:25:20: basically just been declared an outlaw in the old sense of the term.
00:25:20 – 00:25:22: Someone could kill him without consequence.
00:25:22 – 00:25:27: And so in order to protect him, they kidnapped him, spirited him away to Vartburg.
00:25:27 – 00:25:31: And he assumed the name of Junker Yorg, more or less night, George.
00:25:31 – 00:25:35: It's a little difference in emphasis there, but it's close enough of a translation.
00:25:35 – 00:25:41: And so he lived essentially as a minor noble in Vartburg Castle in rooms that had traditionally
00:25:41 – 00:25:46: been used for minor nobles who had basically fallen out of favor, but not so far that they
00:25:46 – 00:25:48: needed to be executed.
00:25:48 – 00:25:53: So it was not quite prison, but sort of house arrest.
00:25:53 – 00:25:56: But while he was there, he had two squires who waited on him.
00:25:56 – 00:25:57: He lived as a minor noble.
00:25:57 – 00:26:00: Incidentally, he may have put on a little weight while he was there because he switched
00:26:00 – 00:26:04: from a monk's diet to a minor noble's diet, very different thing.
00:26:04 – 00:26:07: He interacted with other nobles.
00:26:07 – 00:26:15: But while he was there, operating under this pseudonym, he translated the Bible.
00:26:15 – 00:26:22: Essentially, the first time you really have the Bible in the vernacular being widespread.
00:26:22 – 00:26:27: Obviously, yes, Greek at the time would have been vernacular, but it no longer was.
00:26:27 – 00:26:29: Neither was Latin.
00:26:29 – 00:26:35: And so we have, he also wrote two volumes worth of his works while he was in that castle.
00:26:35 – 00:26:38: And so we have an instance in our own history.
00:26:38 – 00:26:42: And this is the case for all Protestants, not just Lutherans, but obviously particularly
00:26:42 – 00:26:49: for Lutherans, of a man operating under a pseudonym and achieving a great deal of good
00:26:49 – 00:26:52: and doing it for a perfectly legitimate reason.
00:26:52 – 00:26:57: In his case, he would have been killed if he had been found, if he had been using his name
00:26:57 – 00:26:58: and been discovered.
00:26:58 – 00:27:03: Today, the stakes aren't really that much different.
00:27:03 – 00:27:07: Know the emperor is not going to literally drag you into the town square and chop off
00:27:07 – 00:27:09: your head.
00:27:09 – 00:27:17: If you express these unpopular opinions online and are found out, but the agents of our
00:27:17 – 00:27:21: evil government are certainly going to find you, are going to get you fired, are going
00:27:21 – 00:27:25: to make your life miserable, are going to send you death threats, may very well cause
00:27:25 – 00:27:27: you physical harm.
00:27:27 – 00:27:33: In some cases, this stuff does actually eventually in murder because some of our adversaries,
00:27:33 – 00:27:38: some of our enemies are willing to go that far.
00:27:38 – 00:27:42: That's the reason that we're talking about this is that there's, there are real world
00:27:42 – 00:27:51: consequences to these pastors claiming that you must unmask yourself or you are a coward.
00:27:51 – 00:27:57: One of my first exposures to the, the spirit behind what a lot of these pastors think was
00:27:57 – 00:28:04: a year or so ago when I was on Jonathan Fisk's Discord, Fiskord, he obviously is the admin.
00:28:04 – 00:28:06: There were like 600 people on the thing.
00:28:06 – 00:28:12: I was in a channel with Adam Coons and a number of other pastors who my respect.
00:28:12 – 00:28:15: And one day there was a conversation and I think, I don't remember the details.
00:28:15 – 00:28:19: I think there was like a disagreement between me and another member, which was pretty typical.
00:28:19 – 00:28:24: I was, I was there basically to be hated, but to speak the truth in a place where maybe
00:28:24 – 00:28:25: a few people would hear it.
00:28:25 – 00:28:33: Anyway, something happened and Jonathan Fisk falsely accused me of a sin in front of
00:28:33 – 00:28:35: everyone from hundreds of people.
00:28:35 – 00:28:40: He said that I had just sinned and the accusation was not borne out by any of the evidence.
00:28:40 – 00:28:46: So that made her slanderous and because he's not only a pastor, but he is the admin, that
00:28:46 – 00:28:48: made a powerful slander like it's one thing.
00:28:48 – 00:28:54: If I is just a nobody on Discord, say something mean about somebody else, nobody cares.
00:28:54 – 00:28:59: When the admin and the pastor who's, it's named after says something, everybody cares.
00:28:59 – 00:29:00: So I rebuked him.
00:29:00 – 00:29:02: I said, that was false.
00:29:02 – 00:29:05: You need to repent and you need to take that back.
00:29:05 – 00:29:08: You've harmed or I put my reputation.
00:29:08 – 00:29:11: And his, the only reason I'm telling this story, it's not that I'm mad that someone
00:29:11 – 00:29:13: was mean to me online.
00:29:13 – 00:29:18: I remember it because I learned something very important that day from his response.
00:29:18 – 00:29:23: Fisk responded by scoffing at me and essentially saying, I don't even know your name.
00:29:23 – 00:29:25: You're not a real person.
00:29:25 – 00:29:30: I can't possibly sin against you because I don't know who you are.
00:29:30 – 00:29:31: And that was the end of it.
00:29:31 – 00:29:35: Like as far as I was concerned, as far as he was concerned, because I was pseudonymous,
00:29:35 – 00:29:40: he could do any manner of harm to my reputation, which is a real thing.
00:29:40 – 00:29:46: I have a reputation because all of my comments online are attributable to a pseudonym, but
00:29:46 – 00:29:47: to me.
00:29:47 – 00:29:48: And he said, that's nothing.
00:29:48 – 00:29:51: I can rob you of your reputation because it's not even you.
00:29:51 – 00:29:55: You're not even really human being unless you use your real name.
00:29:55 – 00:30:00: This is something that played out again this year in what was the inspiration for our
00:30:00 – 00:30:06: very first episode where we talked about Mrs. Johnathan Lackey's book that was published
00:30:06 – 00:30:11: by CPH that was teaching theology to the church.
00:30:11 – 00:30:20: And Corey, you and my and I, our friend group were the first people within Lutheranism
00:30:20 – 00:30:21: to discuss this.
00:30:21 – 00:30:25: We discussed it in private and like, what's going on at CPH?
00:30:25 – 00:30:29: Why are they, why are they unable to find pastors to teach theology?
00:30:29 – 00:30:31: Like do we have a shortage?
00:30:31 – 00:30:33: No, there's not a shortage of pastors.
00:30:33 – 00:30:37: There may be a shortage of theologians, but that's a separate problem.
00:30:37 – 00:30:45: But why is it that the organ of our synod is propping up a 25-year-old girl to teach theology?
00:30:45 – 00:30:48: Jesus didn't even begin teaching theology until he was 30.
00:30:48 – 00:30:50: But we disregard that example.
00:30:50 – 00:30:53: He's like, well, okay, this girl, she's got a ton of gifts.
00:30:53 – 00:30:56: She might even be better at Jesus that teaching theology.
00:30:56 – 00:31:01: So she's upheld and she's given a publishing deal and her book is propped up and issues
00:31:01 – 00:31:02: etc.
00:31:02 – 00:31:05: It makes it the book of the month and everybody loves it.
00:31:05 – 00:31:10: And some of our friends are like, this doesn't seem to be consistent with Scripture.
00:31:10 – 00:31:14: Let's go look at where Scripture says that I do not permit a woman to speak.
00:31:14 – 00:31:17: She is to be silent in the church.
00:31:17 – 00:31:20: And the discussion was, you know, well, it doesn't the church mean that she can't preach.
00:31:20 – 00:31:25: And basically, all the pastors concluded that there's nothing in the Bible that prevents
00:31:25 – 00:31:31: a girl from doing anything except investing, giving communion, and standing in the pulpit
00:31:31 – 00:31:32: and preaching.
00:31:32 – 00:31:34: Everything else is up for grabs.
00:31:34 – 00:31:38: Now most of them will deny that, but that's functionally what their arguments are.
00:31:38 – 00:31:44: Whenever they look to 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 14, they see those texts strictly
00:31:44 – 00:31:50: as protecting their pastoral office and not being about headship, we disagreed.
00:31:50 – 00:31:54: So we started discussing it online and saying, hey, look at this book.
00:31:54 – 00:31:55: Look what's going on.
00:31:55 – 00:32:01: And it quickly spread because it was rightly controversial that a girl is teaching theology.
00:32:01 – 00:32:06: And I want to read just a couple clips from what appeared on the God of Steens blog and
00:32:06 – 00:32:10: on Larry Beans blog as a follow up.
00:32:10 – 00:32:12: The first clip here that I'm going to read for you is from John Busman.
00:32:12 – 00:32:14: He's a pastor.
00:32:14 – 00:32:20: In the middle of his post, he just mentioned as an aside that he's Mrs. Jonathan Lackie's
00:32:20 – 00:32:21: pastor.
00:32:21 – 00:32:27: He really buried the lead there by launching into a multi-page diatribe that I'll get into
00:32:27 – 00:32:31: here and failing to mention that it was his own parishioner.
00:32:31 – 00:32:33: He was defending so forcefully.
00:32:33 – 00:32:36: Nothing wrong with defending her, but say up front, I'm her pastor.
00:32:36 – 00:32:38: Let me tell you what I think.
00:32:38 – 00:32:39: By doing the lead, I believe.
00:32:39 – 00:32:40: Defending himself.
00:32:40 – 00:32:41: Yeah.
00:32:41 – 00:32:42: Yeah.
00:32:42 – 00:32:48: That's the one who either correctly or incorrectly taught her husband and her.
00:32:48 – 00:32:49: Yeah.
00:32:49 – 00:32:50: Absolutely.
00:32:50 – 00:32:57: By us questioning the nature of the headship of a woman teaching theology, we were implicitly
00:32:57 – 00:32:59: questioning his headship.
00:32:59 – 00:33:01: John, John Busman's headship as her pastor.
00:33:01 – 00:33:05: And so he was absolutely defending himself indirectly.
00:33:05 – 00:33:07: So here's what he said.
00:33:07 – 00:33:08: So why the backlash?
00:33:08 – 00:33:13: I actually think it's simply people with absolutely nothing better to do than to anonymously
00:33:13 – 00:33:19: troll people and try to discourage them from fulfilling their vocation.
00:33:19 – 00:33:23: We have those types enter into the goddess bug comment section all the time.
00:33:23 – 00:33:24: You know the types.
00:33:24 – 00:33:26: There are a couple of things there.
00:33:26 – 00:33:29: Anonymously is always connected to troll.
00:33:29 – 00:33:31: If you're anonymous, you're automatically a troll.
00:33:31 – 00:33:33: This is Peter Sladen's big thing.
00:33:33 – 00:33:36: He's a social media manager for the LCMS.
00:33:36 – 00:33:37: He goes around calling people trolls all the time.
00:33:37 – 00:33:43: He's blocked numerous pastors in our own synod from the official LCMS website because
00:33:43 – 00:33:45: they follow trolls on Twitter.
00:33:45 – 00:33:47: So see, this is this troll thing.
00:33:47 – 00:33:52: This slander of calling someone a troll is exactly what Jonathan Fisk did to me.
00:33:52 – 00:33:53: He said, I don't know your name.
00:33:53 – 00:33:57: I don't like something you said rather than apologizing for slandering you, I'm going
00:33:57 – 00:34:01: to label you a pseudonymous troll and then you're nothing.
00:34:01 – 00:34:05: That's exactly what these other pastors, this what Busman did and what Bill Larry is going
00:34:05 – 00:34:06: to do in a minute.
00:34:06 – 00:34:07: Say, these are trolls.
00:34:07 – 00:34:09: They're not really human beings.
00:34:09 – 00:34:13: And the other thing that will be a subject for another day, but no, he said trying to discourage
00:34:13 – 00:34:20: them, meaning girls, from fulfilling their vocation, meaning teaching theology to men.
00:34:20 – 00:34:26: Now that's a textbook case of question begging because that's what they do.
00:34:26 – 00:34:29: They say, well, obviously God gave her the gift to teach.
00:34:29 – 00:34:31: So if she's teaching, it must be from God.
00:34:31 – 00:34:34: And if you don't like her teaching, you must be opposed to God.
00:34:34 – 00:34:39: Those are the rhetorical tricks they get played in these fights.
00:34:39 – 00:34:43: In a subsequent post on Godestines, Bernal Eckert, you know, this is mostly written by Larry
00:34:43 – 00:34:47: Bean, the Bernal posted under his name with credit to Larry.
00:34:47 – 00:34:54: I said this, Father Busman's post brought to our attention to this, which is good.
00:34:54 – 00:34:58: Not only a question of where the scriptural line is drawn in the real world regarding
00:34:58 – 00:35:03: women teaching and publishing in their own time, place, and culture, but also regarding
00:35:03 – 00:35:11: the roles of men and women and chivalry, quote, in the colon chivalry, chivalry, the swarming
00:35:11 – 00:35:18: of a woman by anonymous men as recently happened in the Twitter world is not chivalrous Christian
00:35:18 – 00:35:19: masculine behavior.
00:35:19 – 00:35:21: And we all agree on that.
00:35:21 – 00:35:30: This is fascinating for a few reasons one, we never said a single word to Molly on Twitter
00:35:30 – 00:35:35: that was hostile or abrasive or overly critical.
00:35:35 – 00:35:39: I, when you use Twitter, there's an advanced search where you can look and see everyone
00:35:39 – 00:35:42: who has addressed another account by name.
00:35:42 – 00:35:47: We looked at all the posts that anyone anywhere on the internet had said to Mrs. Lackey.
00:35:47 – 00:35:51: There wasn't a single thing that was mean that was hateful.
00:35:51 – 00:35:55: The only comment that we found was from one of our friends who said something nice to
00:35:55 – 00:36:00: her, even in a thread where he was criticizing the fact that this book had been published.
00:36:00 – 00:36:07: So for Larry and Bernel to say that the swarming of a woman on Twitter is slander.
00:36:07 – 00:36:08: It is a lie.
00:36:08 – 00:36:11: There is zero evidence for it.
00:36:11 – 00:36:15: And it's one of these lies that these guys are happy to propagate because again, we've
00:36:15 – 00:36:16: been labeled as trolls.
00:36:16 – 00:36:22: So if it's a troll, no hold barred, you can say whatever you want about a troll because
00:36:22 – 00:36:23: they're not really human.
00:36:23 – 00:36:26: There's no, there's no question of sinning against a troll.
00:36:26 – 00:36:32: So when they make those slander's accusations as pastors, as the guys who write the goddess
00:36:32 – 00:36:37: blog, everyone who doesn't know anything automatically assumes that that actually happened.
00:36:37 – 00:36:42: Most people believe that people were saying mean things to Mrs. Lackey on the internet.
00:36:42 – 00:36:44: It literally never happened.
00:36:44 – 00:36:48: I want to emphasize that it never happened.
00:36:48 – 00:36:53: And at these men will repeat this over and over again and they're free to do so in their
00:36:53 – 00:36:58: minds morally because the people speaking were pseudonymous.
00:36:58 – 00:37:00: If they had not been pseudonymous, what would they have done?
00:37:00 – 00:37:03: They would have called their pastors and said, you need to put this person on the lesser
00:37:03 – 00:37:09: ban unless they repent for this sin where there was no sin.
00:37:09 – 00:37:10: And they know that.
00:37:10 – 00:37:18: So that's why we're talking about this because when someone makes accusations against a
00:37:18 – 00:37:22: person without his name, they think they can't possibly sin against them.
00:37:22 – 00:37:28: So when you see doxing and you see threats against livelihood and even flesh, they think
00:37:28 – 00:37:33: it's okay, even though it's exactly what Antifa does.
00:37:33 – 00:37:36: The post on goddess blog goes on.
00:37:36 – 00:37:40: Finally, it's been our policy for several years not to allow anonymous posts.
00:37:40 – 00:37:42: We decided we need to enforce it.
00:37:42 – 00:37:45: There may have been a need for anonymity and discussing political and hot button social
00:37:45 – 00:37:46: topics.
00:37:46 – 00:37:51: But when it comes to discussing our faith, we are called upon to confess further putting
00:37:51 – 00:37:55: your name on something requires that you put more thought into your comment to choose
00:37:55 – 00:38:01: your words and your accusations more carefully and suggest subjects you to consequences within
00:38:01 – 00:38:02: the church.
00:38:02 – 00:38:06: They you'll be held accountable by your pastor and the case of pastors by your brothers
00:38:06 – 00:38:07: and the ministerium.
00:38:07 – 00:38:09: So that goes directly to what we just said.
00:38:09 – 00:38:12: They don't want to discuss the ideas.
00:38:12 – 00:38:14: They want punishment.
00:38:14 – 00:38:19: They presume to act as judge, jury, and executioner in these theological discussions and they seek
00:38:19 – 00:38:23: the destruction of the men with whom they disagree.
00:38:23 – 00:38:27: There was another word that Larry used in their shovel for us and that absolutely came
00:38:27 – 00:38:28: from him.
00:38:28 – 00:38:29: He's a southerner.
00:38:29 – 00:38:33: He's very proud of his southerner heritage and I respect that half my family is from
00:38:33 – 00:38:34: the south.
00:38:34 – 00:38:35: I get it.
00:38:35 – 00:38:44: But I think it's ironic that in a discussion of a woman teaching theology, Larry and others
00:38:44 – 00:38:52: would suddenly invoke these terms of chivalry and you can't say mean things to a girl.
00:38:52 – 00:38:58: If you assume for the sake of argument that is legitimate for a girl to be teaching theology,
00:38:58 – 00:39:00: she has stepped into the ring.
00:39:00 – 00:39:06: She has made herself subject to criticism as every theologian is subject to criticism
00:39:06 – 00:39:10: for what they say and whether they have the right to say it.
00:39:10 – 00:39:17: So ironically, by begging chivalry as a defense of her honor, he was actually agreeing
00:39:17 – 00:39:21: with us that she has no business talking about theology in the first place.
00:39:21 – 00:39:26: And on Larry's own blog, he repeated a week later.
00:39:26 – 00:39:30: Her pastor complained that she was being anonymously attacked on social media and he was angry
00:39:30 – 00:39:32: and protective of this member of his flock.
00:39:32 – 00:39:39: The nature of some social media platforms lends to swarming by trolls.
00:39:39 – 00:39:43: This is where we are right now as men, who indeed are supposed to lead the church, refuse
00:39:43 – 00:39:49: to use their real names, but instead approach theology with a mindset of a cowering keyboard
00:39:49 – 00:39:52: warrior using a pseudonym.
00:39:52 – 00:39:56: When it comes to the Christian faith, we should not resort to pseudo anything.
00:39:56 – 00:40:01: We come from a long tradition of men and women, clergy and laity, willing to confess and
00:40:01 – 00:40:05: take the consequences of their countercultural confession of Christ.
00:40:05 – 00:40:08: Be strong and show yourself a man, O Christian.
00:40:08 – 00:40:10: Now, he said some other things in the article.
00:40:10 – 00:40:14: We did actually defend that there's an appropriate place for pseudonymity, but he specifically
00:40:14 – 00:40:19: carved out a theology as a place where it's utterly impermissible, which is interesting
00:40:19 – 00:40:24: when you look back to the Luther case where clearly Luther was speaking about theology.
00:40:24 – 00:40:30: He was writing on theology and he was doing so pseudonymously.
00:40:30 – 00:40:42: Pastors live sheltered lives, particularly pastors who go straight from seminary to, there
00:40:42 – 00:40:44: is go straight from college to seminary to the parish.
00:40:44 – 00:40:49: They never live a single day in the real life, so they don't know what to like to have an
00:40:49 – 00:40:55: HR department, to have diversity, equity and inclusion training, to have annual multi-hour
00:40:55 – 00:41:02: brainwashing sessions where you were forced to confess the sodomy and transgenderism and
00:41:02 – 00:41:10: all of these other demonic evils are normative and tolerable and necessary parts of life.
00:41:10 – 00:41:19: So this is what we're talking about, drawing the line between theology and politics.
00:41:19 – 00:41:23: If someone is in the workplace and they're told that they have to call a coworker who
00:41:23 – 00:41:30: is a man by his assumed name as a woman and his new identity, is that political or is
00:41:30 – 00:41:31: that theological?
00:41:31 – 00:41:35: Is that a lie he's allowed to tell because it's in the workplace and really it's not
00:41:35 – 00:41:40: about John 316, so what if he calls John Jeanette?
00:41:40 – 00:41:41: That's theological.
00:41:41 – 00:41:46: That is a confession of the faith because to call a man a woman is to deny the creator
00:41:46 – 00:41:48: of that person.
00:41:48 – 00:41:50: That's a first article denial.
00:41:50 – 00:41:55: When I was taught as a child, I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and
00:41:55 – 00:41:59: earth and of all things, visible and invisible.
00:41:59 – 00:42:03: That applies to me as a man and to someone else as a woman.
00:42:03 – 00:42:07: And so for someone to come along and say, you need to call this man a woman.
00:42:07 – 00:42:11: That's the most profound theological statement that I can make in this day because your employer
00:42:11 – 00:42:14: is not attacking justification.
00:42:14 – 00:42:18: He's not asking you to say, so do you think, let's see how you can save yourself before
00:42:18 – 00:42:19: God?
00:42:19 – 00:42:21: And it's not even a pinch of incense.
00:42:21 – 00:42:25: He said, you need to deny your creator by saying that this person was made in a different
00:42:25 – 00:42:26: image.
00:42:26 – 00:42:32: Well, Satan has learned over the intervening centuries.
00:42:32 – 00:42:42: We had the knockdown dragout fight that actually culminated in more than one war over justification.
00:42:42 – 00:42:47: Satan is still attacking that with regard to the many false churches that exist, but
00:42:47 – 00:42:54: he's not attacking us with that because you are not going to get Lutherans who deny
00:42:54 – 00:42:55: article four.
00:42:55 – 00:42:58: That's just not going to happen.
00:42:58 – 00:43:02: But you don't need to do that if you can get them to go ahead and deny the first article
00:43:02 – 00:43:04: of the creed.
00:43:04 – 00:43:07: Because if you don't have the Father, well, you don't have the Son, the same as if you
00:43:07 – 00:43:13: don't have the Son, don't have the Father, because God is one, three and one, of course.
00:43:13 – 00:43:17: But that is how Satan is attacking the church today.
00:43:17 – 00:43:18: It's how he's attacking Christians.
00:43:18 – 00:43:23: He is attacking us with ontology, a word that people are going to hear a lot from this
00:43:23 – 00:43:27: podcast, but probably not very much from anywhere else.
00:43:27 – 00:43:33: The nature of things matters because God is the author of that nature.
00:43:33 – 00:43:35: Yes, our nature is fallen because of sin.
00:43:35 – 00:43:42: It is corrupted, but God is still the author of what that nature was intended to be and
00:43:42 – 00:43:45: insofar as our nature reflects what God intended it to be.
00:43:45 – 00:43:51: It is directly God's good creature, God's good creation.
00:43:51 – 00:43:55: And when we deny that, it is, as you said, a denial of God.
00:43:55 – 00:44:00: You cannot say that black is white and white is black.
00:44:00 – 00:44:03: Woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
00:44:03 – 00:44:06: God is very clear about this in Scripture.
00:44:06 – 00:44:12: You do not get to deny the reality of things and continue to claim that you are in fact
00:44:12 – 00:44:16: still a Christian because you've denied your creator.
00:44:16 – 00:44:23: And all of these fights that are called social justice or critical theory, these things
00:44:23 – 00:44:30: are coming from the so-called left hand kingdom, which is a dichotomy that we need to dissect
00:44:30 – 00:44:34: and put in its proper place in a future episode.
00:44:34 – 00:44:38: But when pastors like Larry say, well, if you're talking about the faith, you got to use
00:44:38 – 00:44:39: your name.
00:44:39 – 00:44:44: Well, it's talking about the faith to talk about sodomites and the fact that sodomites
00:44:44 – 00:44:47: reproduce by raping children.
00:44:47 – 00:44:55: One of the other pastors who has recently been posting some better things is Hans Feeney,
00:44:55 – 00:44:57: the Lutheran satire guy.
00:44:57 – 00:45:01: His last name is Feeney, but his grandfather was a priest.
00:45:01 – 00:45:08: He's a member of the priest dynasty, which I say lovingly, not with any criticism.
00:45:09 – 00:45:13: He's probably among the weakest of the prices, the current crop, the guys like Mark and
00:45:13 – 00:45:15: Christian are outstanding.
00:45:15 – 00:45:17: Rolf is one of the older ones.
00:45:17 – 00:45:21: He's a great man who will boldly speak the truth about these things.
00:45:21 – 00:45:27: And so recently, there was a comment from Hans on Twitter specifically talking about
00:45:27 – 00:45:31: the fact that sodomites reproduce by raping children, which is a fact.
00:45:31 – 00:45:37: I've had eight, I've had nine homosexual friends over the course of my life.
00:45:37 – 00:45:41: Every single one of them had stories about their first sexual encounter with an adult
00:45:41 – 00:45:43: when they were between 12 and 14.
00:45:43 – 00:45:49: And they became sodomites themselves because that was the easiest way to cope with having
00:45:49 – 00:45:51: been raped as a child.
00:45:51 – 00:45:57: They were groomed first like it wasn't, it wasn't overtly forcible rape, but no one
00:45:57 – 00:46:01: saying would agree that a 12 year old can consent to having sex.
00:46:01 – 00:46:04: And yeah, that was the case in each of these.
00:46:04 – 00:46:10: And so now that's anecdata, but it's also on our percent anecdata.
00:46:10 – 00:46:15: And that is borne out by the surveys and by the discussions and by just talking to these
00:46:15 – 00:46:16: people.
00:46:16 – 00:46:22: They will all be open if they talk long enough about the fact that their first encounters
00:46:22 – 00:46:30: with men of the same sex were as children, it's literally how they reproduce.
00:46:30 – 00:46:34: Nobody wants to talk about that in the church because we want to talk about LGBTQ
00:46:34 – 00:46:36: by identity.
00:46:36 – 00:46:39: That is such a perverse and demonic acronym.
00:46:39 – 00:46:43: It should never be in the mouth of any Christian and God forgive me for having said it, but
00:46:43 – 00:46:51: I want to point out the fact that when you use those, the rainbow flag multi-colored aspect
00:46:51 – 00:46:58: of, well, sexuality is just this huge, it's a variety of things, it can be anything.
00:46:58 – 00:47:00: It cuts to the heart of theology.
00:47:00 – 00:47:05: It cuts to the heart of God made man and woman and gave them to each other to be fruitful
00:47:05 – 00:47:06: and multiply.
00:47:06 – 00:47:12: And all of these perversions, which are not only damnable, but God repeatedly commands
00:47:12 – 00:47:16: the physical destruction of those who commit those things.
00:47:16 – 00:47:22: Homosexual men will actually go even farther than just discussing those things.
00:47:22 – 00:47:26: Because as a psychological defense mechanism that's part of it, they will actually go so
00:47:26 – 00:47:31: far as to brag about how young they were when they were molested, when they were raped.
00:47:31 – 00:47:37: And a lot of pastors, I don't think, have ever been around that subset of the population,
00:47:37 – 00:47:39: they don't understand these things.
00:47:39 – 00:47:44: And another thing to go back to when you said that pastors are at least those who are
00:47:44 – 00:47:48: first career, not second career, not going to be as insulated, but depending on the age
00:47:48 – 00:47:54: still fairly insulated from what's happening today, they don't realize that what you just
00:47:54 – 00:47:59: said, and by my sitting here, what I have said, and I agree with everything you said
00:47:59 – 00:48:01: to be explicit about it.
00:48:01 – 00:48:05: But simply by my sitting here, if I had just remained silent, I would be fired if I were
00:48:05 – 00:48:12: working at a large corporation or even a medium size one, because someone would report
00:48:12 – 00:48:20: me to HR and HR would fire me just because you said it and I was sitting here in silence.
00:48:20 – 00:48:23: As I said, what is in Scripture?
00:48:23 – 00:48:27: And that's where the fundamental disconnect is where these pastors don't understand.
00:48:27 – 00:48:28: All this stuff is theology.
00:48:28 – 00:48:33: Christian nationalism is theology, it's not politics.
00:48:33 – 00:48:38: Just as whether or not a woman can be writing a theological book is theology, it's not politics.
00:48:38 – 00:48:43: Whether a man can have sex with a man is not politics, it's theology.
00:48:43 – 00:48:48: We have these artificial lines that we've begun to permit to be drawn by Satan in our
00:48:48 – 00:48:53: world, and they're deliberately having us into a corner where there's effectively nothing
00:48:53 – 00:48:58: left of the Christian life, except for talking about John 316, and otherwise just shut
00:48:58 – 00:49:03: up in mind your own business, and that's effectively what these pastors are doing.
00:49:03 – 00:49:07: You had mentioned second career, and you're absolutely right that the timing is vital to
00:49:07 – 00:49:13: his credit Larry Bean as a second career guy, he originally had a real job, but he had
00:49:13 – 00:49:18: a professional job, so he has experienced a rural world to some extent.
00:49:18 – 00:49:24: But that was 15 years ago, going on 20 years ago before he went to seminary.
00:49:24 – 00:49:29: I can tell you from the group of guys that we have now, we have a good mix of zoomers,
00:49:29 – 00:49:35: millennials, and actors in the group, I've said this repeatedly, the 20-year-old guys
00:49:35 – 00:49:41: in our group, the things that happened to them in college today are so much worse than
00:49:41 – 00:49:46: that the 25-year-olds remember that they have a hard time believing it.
00:49:46 – 00:49:51: Now imagine someone who's got another 20 years on that, you have no frame of reference.
00:49:51 – 00:49:57: So a pastor who's been out of the workplace for 15 years literally has no idea what the
00:49:57 – 00:50:00: workplace is like today when it comes to these things.
00:50:00 – 00:50:03: He knows what it's like to have a boss, he knows what it's like to have co-workers and
00:50:03 – 00:50:09: to navigate office politics and that stuff, but the specific theological warfare that's
00:50:09 – 00:50:14: being waged by Satan against the consciences of Christians in the workplace everywhere,
00:50:14 – 00:50:16: pastors have no idea.
00:50:16 – 00:50:19: And pastors are insulated from this stuff.
00:50:19 – 00:50:25: And I mention Hans, he alluded to these statistics about homosexuals reproducing by raping
00:50:25 – 00:50:26: children.
00:50:26 – 00:50:30: When someone mentioned, when someone challenged him in the comments, he then backpedaled.
00:50:30 – 00:50:36: And so I'm just speculating, you know, why are we seeing in those numbers?
00:50:36 – 00:50:41: I'm not going to make this claim with certainty because I wasn't there, but it is my firm belief
00:50:41 – 00:50:44: based on supposition.
00:50:44 – 00:50:49: Hans got that and many of his other good recent plate takes on Twitter in the last two months
00:50:49 – 00:50:51: or so from Price Chat.
00:50:51 – 00:50:55: I think that Mark and Christian had been an influence on the things that he said online
00:50:55 – 00:50:58: recently because there are things he's never said before and there are things that you
00:50:58 – 00:51:03: and I say all the time, the things that are quote unquote, based, there are things that
00:51:03 – 00:51:06: we get you fired in the workplace for saying them.
00:51:06 – 00:51:10: He's recently been saying them, which is good because when we say when we get banned
00:51:10 – 00:51:14: from Twitter, he has immunity and we get banned from Twitter by Christians for saying
00:51:14 – 00:51:15: them.
00:51:15 – 00:51:18: But I'm glad that someone is least saying them and they're being heard because they're
00:51:18 – 00:51:21: vitally important.
00:51:21 – 00:51:26: You want to talk a little bit about the Stephen Wolf book and the Thomas A. Cortefer?
00:51:26 – 00:51:27: Sure.
00:51:27 – 00:51:29: A little bit.
00:51:29 – 00:51:32: Just before that, I want to mention that I think it was two or maybe three years ago at
00:51:32 – 00:51:33: this point.
00:51:33 – 00:51:39: I got into the exact same issue, the fact that homosexuals Sodomites reproduced by raping
00:51:39 – 00:51:46: children with Dapani, Simeyoki, a Finnish pastor, Lutheran pastor.
00:51:46 – 00:51:52: And I made a statement along the same lines what we've been saying and he pushed back against
00:51:52 – 00:51:59: it because his initial reaction, his innate sense of what he needs to do is he wants to
00:51:59 – 00:52:05: become the defense of impenetent sinners against a Christian.
00:52:05 – 00:52:09: And I, of course, double down, but that's, that is an ongoing battle that we have been
00:52:09 – 00:52:11: having all over the place.
00:52:11 – 00:52:17: And pastors are often either not fighting on the correct side or simply just not fighting
00:52:17 – 00:52:19: at all.
00:52:19 – 00:52:24: But to, to move on to what's happened with a court and you'll have to fill in some
00:52:24 – 00:52:27: of the details, I think you may have followed this more closely than I have.
00:52:27 – 00:52:35: But essentially what happened is a co-host of Ars Politica made some comments, true comments
00:52:35 – 00:52:36: by and large.
00:52:36 – 00:52:42: Some of them may have been, it may be a little uncharitable, harshly worded, but true statements
00:52:42 – 00:52:45: on a pseudonymous account.
00:52:45 – 00:52:49: It came out that it was his account.
00:52:49 – 00:52:56: He's now admitted that in a post and essentially Twitter and other social media set up a lynch
00:52:57 – 00:53:02: mob to destroy his life, to get him fired, to have him lose his income.
00:53:02 – 00:53:08: This is a man who has wife and one child or I think it's a couple, yeah, he may have
00:53:08 – 00:53:09: a couple.
00:53:09 – 00:53:10: Yeah.
00:53:10 – 00:53:18: But their whole goal was just to utterly destroy this man for saying things that 50 years
00:53:18 – 00:53:24: ago, 60, 70, however long, not very long ago, you could have said on TV and no one would
00:53:25 – 00:53:32: have just been a normal thing to hear and a lynch mob of insane people, evil wicked people
00:53:32 – 00:53:39: decided to destroy him, many of whom prefaced their comments with as a Christian and then
00:53:39 – 00:53:45: went on to say the most vile things about someone who actually is a Christian in order to
00:53:45 – 00:53:47: destroy him.
00:53:47 – 00:53:48: Yep.
00:53:49 – 00:53:56: And the reason that the R's Politica podcast connection is relevant is that his co-host,
00:53:56 – 00:54:00: Thomas's co-host of R's Politica is Stephen Wolf, who wrote the recent book on Christian
00:54:00 – 00:54:08: nationalism, which is a subject we had just a couple weeks ago, so they're trying this
00:54:08 – 00:54:17: whole thing has been a proxy attack on Christian nationalism by evil people.
00:54:17 – 00:54:25: They see Christian nationalism as a subject as so dangerous to the satanic work that the
00:54:25 – 00:54:29: devil and all of his demons are successfully advancing in the world.
00:54:29 – 00:54:35: They used a proxy attack of the guy his co-host, like Thomas Acord didn't, as far as I
00:54:35 – 00:54:38: know, contribute much of anything to the book.
00:54:38 – 00:54:42: He just happened to be a friend of Stephen Wolf, the author.
00:54:42 – 00:54:48: He was so important to Satan to destroy anyone's ability to even think about Christian
00:54:48 – 00:54:53: nationalism that they destroyed a man they cost him his livelihood right in the hall
00:54:53 – 00:54:54: day season.
00:54:54 – 00:55:00: And then when someone set up a give send to go, which is like go fund me except for Christians,
00:55:00 – 00:55:07: set up a give send to go charity drive for him, Christians then waged a campaign against
00:55:07 – 00:55:13: give send go to deny him receiving that money that was charity from other Christians who
00:55:13 – 00:55:18: wanted to help his family, because he just lost his job, which is to say they actually
00:55:18 – 00:55:22: want him to starve literally, yes, starve.
00:55:22 – 00:55:23: That's murder.
00:55:23 – 00:55:24: That is attempted murder.
00:55:24 – 00:55:29: It is murder in the heart, which is then manifesting itself as murder of the person.
00:55:29 – 00:55:33: And it's being done because the things that he says, you said, some of the things like
00:55:33 – 00:55:34: I wouldn't have phrased it that way.
00:55:35 – 00:55:39: The points that he was trying to get to on his anonymous account are mostly things we've
00:55:39 – 00:55:43: already said, just in the few short podcasts we've had about Christian nationalism, about
00:55:43 – 00:55:47: race, about the fact that a nation is a race.
00:55:47 – 00:55:53: If you talk about nationalism at all, you were nested it, serially talking about racism,
00:55:53 – 00:56:00: about kinism, about belief that blood and soil go together and that that is scriptural.
00:56:00 – 00:56:02: So that's what's under attack here.
00:56:02 – 00:56:09: It's ironic that the people who are so hysterical against nationalism, they're implicitly
00:56:09 – 00:56:13: advocating empire, because that's what the United States is today.
00:56:13 – 00:56:14: It's an empire.
00:56:14 – 00:56:20: It is a multi-ethnic empire, not in the sense that we have colonies in other places, but
00:56:20 – 00:56:27: it is an empire of nations under one political umbrella called the United States.
00:56:27 – 00:56:35: If we were a nation, there would be one racial group under its own dominion.
00:56:35 – 00:56:40: We also do kind of have colonies, but that's a discussion of other time.
00:56:40 – 00:56:42: Yeah, it is.
00:56:42 – 00:56:48: But again, if you go back and listen to what we said in the Christian nationalism episode,
00:56:48 – 00:56:52: it was going further than they ever go on Mars Politico, and I think further than Thomas
00:56:52 – 00:56:59: was comfortable going in his public life, but the things that he believed were grounded
00:56:59 – 00:57:03: in Scripture because they were true, and he was a headmaster of a Christian school, and
00:57:03 – 00:57:09: so it's understandable that he would have been afraid to tell the truth under his real
00:57:09 – 00:57:14: name, not because he's, well, it's tragic the way he handled the situation.
00:57:14 – 00:57:22: He did everything wrong, because what he did after Rod Draer and others doxed him and
00:57:22 – 00:57:28: attributed his suitonomous comments to his public persona.
00:57:28 – 00:57:33: Rather than saying, yes, I said those things, I stand by them.
00:57:33 – 00:57:36: Maybe I should have said something a little bit differently, but the principle of what
00:57:36 – 00:57:39: I said is absolutely true.
00:57:39 – 00:57:41: He threw himself under the bus.
00:57:41 – 00:57:43: He said, oh, I was, what I said was evil.
00:57:43 – 00:57:49: I was in a dark place at that time, which is a horrible thing to say, because that seeds
00:57:49 – 00:57:55: the entire frame to the left, where it goes back to this whole loser anonymous troll
00:57:55 – 00:58:02: thing, to say that, oh, someone can only believe what he said about race if you're a loser,
00:58:02 – 00:58:08: if you're in a dark place, if you maybe need to put under a psychiatric hold.
00:58:08 – 00:58:11: Those are the only people who are going to possibly believe these things.
00:58:11 – 00:58:14: That throws all of us under the bus, so I wish he just kept his mouth shut because he
00:58:14 – 00:58:20: did more harm in the aftermath than by anything you ever actually said.
00:58:20 – 00:58:22: But these are the consequences.
00:58:22 – 00:58:28: We will need an entire episode really on tactics and frame and related topics, since quite
00:58:28 – 00:58:31: frankly, Christians are terrible at it.
00:58:31 – 00:58:32: And it's a problem.
00:58:32 – 00:58:33: Actively bad.
00:58:33 – 00:58:34: Yeah.
00:58:34 – 00:58:42: The Christian impulse to apologize to confess is weaponized by Satan in these cases, where
00:58:42 – 00:58:47: Satan gets us confessing the things that aren't sins against God.
00:58:47 – 00:58:49: And as soon as you do that, you have lost God.
00:58:49 – 00:58:51: You have made a false confession.
00:58:51 – 00:58:53: You were offering sacrifices.
00:58:53 – 00:58:54: Yes.
00:58:54 – 00:59:01: It is a first commandment violation to offer sacrifices to other gods, which is exactly
00:59:01 – 00:59:06: what all these confessions of false sins are.
00:59:06 – 00:59:12: But again, this goes back to the central point of this episode that Thomas Acord was
00:59:12 – 00:59:13: a public figure on our political.
00:59:13 – 00:59:16: And he was already hated for some of the things he said.
00:59:16 – 00:59:23: But when his co-host published a book about Christian nationalism, the things that Thomas
00:59:23 – 00:59:28: had also said about Christian nationalism on Twitter under a pseudonym suddenly became
00:59:28 – 00:59:30: a way to destroy it.
00:59:30 – 00:59:33: And the things that they want to destroy are the things that are true.
00:59:33 – 00:59:39: And this gets back to what we're talking about earlier with Hans making his comments.
00:59:39 – 00:59:43: And Larry calling us cowards, me in particular, because Larry doesn't know my name.
00:59:43 – 00:59:47: So he can't call my pastor and say mean things about me.
00:59:47 – 00:59:49: He has to just call me a coward online, which is fine.
00:59:49 – 00:59:50: That's his right.
00:59:50 – 00:59:51: It's sin.
00:59:51 – 00:59:56: But we all have the right to quote unquote to sin.
59:56 – 01:00:00
The reason I said earlier that these pastors, I think, are hiding behind their collars is
01:00:00 – 01:00:06: that there's an implicit presumption in the claims from men like Larry and Hans when
01:00:06 – 01:00:12: they say, well, if you just used your name, you would proclaim the truth boldly.
01:00:12 – 01:00:17: The implicit claim that they are making is that with their collars on, with their real
01:00:17 – 01:00:23: names, they're making the boldest proclamation and that no one could possibly make a bolder
01:00:23 – 01:00:25: proclamation than they are.
01:00:25 – 01:00:28: And that's what's really playing out here.
01:00:28 – 01:00:34: Because someone who's pseudonymous says something that is quote unquote further to the
01:00:34 – 01:00:41: right than these men, rather than, as in the case of the Mrs. Lackey episode, rather
01:00:41 – 01:00:46: than saying, well, yeah, it is actually a question whether girls should be teaching theology.
01:00:46 – 01:00:47: What do they do?
01:00:47 – 01:00:48: They punch right.
01:00:48 – 01:00:53: Because suddenly there is a man who has emerged who is trying to be more godly than them.
01:00:53 – 01:00:58: And there's nothing that pisses off a Christian faster than someone who seems to be less with
01:00:58 – 01:01:00: sin than them.
01:01:00 – 01:01:07: Now on one hand, there is the obvious scriptural warrant against claiming to be without sin,
01:01:07 – 01:01:09: which none of us would do.
01:01:09 – 01:01:13: I can start an entire podcast separately, spin off from this about what a terrible person
01:01:13 – 01:01:15: I have been in my life.
01:01:15 – 01:01:20: And all the sins I continue to struggle with, the fact that I'm here talking should never
01:01:20 – 01:01:24: in anyone's mind imply that I think I'm free from any degree of sin.
01:01:24 – 01:01:25: I know I'm terrible.
01:01:25 – 01:01:30: I'm less terrible than I was a few years ago because I've begun to confront these things
01:01:30 – 01:01:31: more directly.
01:01:31 – 01:01:36: And I've begun to confront these things more directly by looking to scripture.
01:01:36 – 01:01:40: And when I look to scripture, I find things like women to remain silent in the churches.
01:01:40 – 01:01:44: I find things like women or to have their heads covered in church, which is another scandal
01:01:44 – 01:01:47: that's brewing in Lutheran church.
01:01:47 – 01:01:54: When men who are not pastors find these things that were, as you said, they were the norm
01:01:54 – 01:01:56: before Vatican II.
01:01:56 – 01:02:01: They were the norm in all of Christianity, not just Lutheranism, women covered their heads
01:02:01 – 01:02:02: in the fifties.
01:02:02 – 01:02:05: Women didn't vote.
01:02:05 – 01:02:07: What a preposterous idea of voting in church.
01:02:07 – 01:02:08: It's despicable.
01:02:08 – 01:02:14: Yet, these things that are normative today that are defended vehemently are, they're an
01:02:14 – 01:02:15: achronistic.
01:02:15 – 01:02:24: They have no place in a church where these things have never had any any scriptural justification.
01:02:24 – 01:02:27: So men read the Bible.
01:02:27 – 01:02:30: They say, hey, pastor, this isn't what we're doing.
01:02:30 – 01:02:31: What's the deal?
01:02:31 – 01:02:36: Rather than the pastors having their, their conscience is convicted by the Holy Spirit,
01:02:36 – 01:02:39: they punch right, they attack right, hard.
01:02:39 – 01:02:44: They won't go after the alka pastors that they're buddy, buddy with on Twitter for having
01:02:44 – 01:02:51: been ordained by women dressed up in drag as tranny pastors like Ryan Cordell, who's
01:02:51 – 01:02:53: good friends with lots of buffalo Twitter.
01:02:53 – 01:02:57: They won't go after them, even though they're an open or unrepentant sin.
01:02:57 – 01:03:02: And they are in a synod that is going to hell collectively unless they become Christian
01:03:02 – 01:03:03: again.
01:03:03 – 01:03:05: No, they punch right.
01:03:05 – 01:03:09: They go after the guy who says, hey, maybe we should be doing better than we are doing.
01:03:09 – 01:03:14: Because for you to say that a Christian could possibly sin is the worst thing you can
01:03:14 – 01:03:19: ever do to say that someone could possibly sin, these men take as evil.
01:03:19 – 01:03:21: When it's not, it is Christian love.
01:03:21 – 01:03:23: Is there a bad way to do it?
01:03:23 – 01:03:24: Absolutely.
01:03:24 – 01:03:27: They're terrible ways to say, man, I think you're sinning.
01:03:27 – 01:03:31: We try to avoid those and sometimes it's a struggle to avoid them.
01:03:31 – 01:03:37: But that gives no one the excuse not to make the clear confession of the faith that is
01:03:37 – 01:03:39: commanded of every Christian.
01:03:39 – 01:03:43: And if you can't confess boldly, shut your mouth.
01:03:43 – 01:03:48: I don't fault someone who doesn't want to lose his job and his mortgage from saying nothing.
01:03:48 – 01:03:53: But if you want to wait into these waters, you better say what God says.
01:03:53 – 01:03:56: You better not attack men because they're doing a better job than you.
01:03:56 – 01:03:58: And that's what we're facing today.
01:03:58 – 01:04:02: And that's what the pseudonym and he fight is about is the men who are caught anonymous,
01:04:02 – 01:04:07: the pseudonymous men who are speaking with the clarity of scripture that the pastors
01:04:07 – 01:04:10: will not, they're putting them to shame.
01:04:10 – 01:04:15: And I think these pastors know that they are shamed by the men who are speaking more clearly
01:04:15 – 01:04:16: than they are.
01:04:16 – 01:04:21: How many of these pastors who claim to be boldly confessing everything in scripture have
01:04:21 – 01:04:23: women voting in their congregations?
01:04:23 – 01:04:26: I would wager this probably the majority if not all of them.
01:04:26 – 01:04:27: I don't know.
01:04:27 – 01:04:30: You can find it on some of their websites.
01:04:30 – 01:04:32: But that's an evil thing.
01:04:32 – 01:04:36: That's an evil and anachronistic thing that has no place in the church.
01:04:36 – 01:04:38: And yet it is normed today.
01:04:38 – 01:04:43: And so these guys who are like, well, you and I, you should boldly confess like I am.
01:04:43 – 01:04:46: And then they keep their mouth shut when this stuff is going on.
01:04:46 – 01:04:47: Give me a break.
01:04:47 – 01:04:48: That's not a bold confession.
01:04:48 – 01:04:50: That's hiding behind your collar.
01:04:50 – 01:04:55: Well, and how many are communing women who support abortion?
01:04:55 – 01:04:59: Or men who support abortion or open communists?
01:04:59 – 01:05:06: Or any of a number of extremely high profile, obvious explicit sins?
01:05:06 – 01:05:11: How many pastors even address the issue of abortion?
01:05:11 – 01:05:18: At most you may get a tangential throwaway line in a sermon that implies that maybe abortion
01:05:18 – 01:05:21: isn't such a good idea.
01:05:21 – 01:05:25: But how often are pastors actually addressing the things that they know will get them in
01:05:25 – 01:05:26: hot water?
01:05:26 – 01:05:31: Well, maybe there's something in scripture about hot or cold instead of lukewarm.
01:05:31 – 01:05:37: And maybe these pastors should be concerned about what they are doing and are not doing.
01:05:37 – 01:05:39: But like you said, they always punch right.
01:05:39 – 01:05:46: And so is the hand of fellowship to the left and nothing but violence toward the right.
01:05:46 – 01:05:50: Because they want to look good to themselves and to the world.
01:05:50 – 01:05:56: They want to be friendly with the world and they don't want anyone who by contrast makes
01:05:56 – 01:06:00: them look like, well, maybe you aren't actually that Christian.
01:06:00 – 01:06:05: Maybe you aren't actually obeying what God says because it looks like this person over
01:06:05 – 01:06:09: here is actually saying the same things we find in this book.
01:06:09 – 01:06:14: And you are watering them down.
01:06:14 – 01:06:18: I have to agree with the way you made the abortion point, but I think that there's a way to make
01:06:18 – 01:06:19: it correct.
01:06:19 – 01:06:24: My anecdotal experience in the LCMS has been that every congregation I've ever been a
01:06:24 – 01:06:28: part of has been rabidly pro-life.
01:06:28 – 01:06:34: They've been very active in protesting abortion and funding for care centers to help those
01:06:34 – 01:06:36: who are considering abortions.
01:06:36 – 01:06:41: But where I would absolutely agree with you, I think virtually every pastor falls down.
01:06:41 – 01:06:47: It's called a woman who seeks an abortion, a murderer because the abortion is always
01:06:47 – 01:06:48: about the doctor.
01:06:48 – 01:06:50: It's always about saving the life of a baby.
01:06:50 – 01:06:56: It's never about a mother, but it's never ever about a mother hiring a hip man to murder
01:06:56 – 01:07:02: her child and whether or not there are any women in his congregation who have hired
01:07:02 – 01:07:06: hip men, which is all an abortion, quote, unquote, doctor is to murder her child.
01:07:06 – 01:07:09: Now, because women don't sin, right?
01:07:09 – 01:07:10: Yeah.
01:07:10 – 01:07:18: It's not chivalrous to say that they could possibly do anything yet.
01:07:18 – 01:07:26: The point to make is that, and again, bold confession also has to be done with sanity.
01:07:26 – 01:07:31: Everything that I say on this podcast is a sort of thing that I say in person to people
01:07:31 – 01:07:37: when the situation arises, sometimes I keep my mouth shut because I'm not a spurg.
01:07:37 – 01:07:38: I'm not insane.
01:07:38 – 01:07:43: I know, based on the context and the people I'm dealing with, whether or not I can have
01:07:43 – 01:07:45: a fruitful conversation.
01:07:45 – 01:07:52: So if someone, if someone at my congregation is openly pro-feminist, am I going to go
01:07:52 – 01:07:57: directly after the things that fly in the face of that?
01:07:57 – 01:07:58: No.
01:07:58 – 01:07:59: Not because it's not true.
01:07:59 – 01:08:03: Not because I'm ashamed of my confession, but because I know that the only way to change
01:08:03 – 01:08:09: a feminist heart is to go around to find some way to address those errors.
01:08:09 – 01:08:15: And frankly, the way is to get back to headship, which yes, it necessarily implicates feminism,
01:08:15 – 01:08:17: but it's not a direct attack.
01:08:17 – 01:08:22: It becomes an attack when they realize what's going on, but by then you're having a scriptural
01:08:22 – 01:08:23: conversation.
01:08:23 – 01:08:26: You're not having a personal one of accusation.
01:08:26 – 01:08:30: So that's the difference between personal conversations and ones that happen online.
01:08:30 – 01:08:35: As we talked about in the teaching episode number one, there are one-to-one relationships
01:08:35 – 01:08:39: and there are one-to-many relationships where you discuss these things.
01:08:39 – 01:08:43: Posting on Twitter or on a podcast or elsewhere is inherently one-to-many.
01:08:43 – 01:08:51: So I speak with my voice and say most everything that I think, as I can convey it to people
01:08:51 – 01:08:53: who will be receptive.
01:08:53 – 01:08:55: Do I say absolutely everything I think on this podcast?
01:08:55 – 01:08:56: No.
01:08:56 – 01:08:57: Because it wouldn't be fruitful.
01:08:57 – 01:09:01: In private conversation, I'll have those conversations with individuals.
01:09:01 – 01:09:06: But again, it's not a question of shame or that I think that I'm hiding my sin from God.
01:09:06 – 01:09:10: I don't think those things are sinful, but there are things that would not be productive
01:09:10 – 01:09:11: to say on a podcast.
01:09:11 – 01:09:15: There are things that I believe that would get this podcast deleted from all the podcast
01:09:15 – 01:09:16: listings.
01:09:16 – 01:09:22: So I will skirt those lines, not out of shame or out of a fear of proclamation, but
01:09:22 – 01:09:26: understanding if I get shut down, no one hears anything.
01:09:26 – 01:09:33: So there's a time and a place to address things and I don't fall people for choosing their
01:09:33 – 01:09:39: battles, but like I said, choosing your battles means keeping your mouth shut, which I will
01:09:39 – 01:09:40: do.
01:09:40 – 01:09:44: I'll keep my mouth shut when the situation calls for it.
01:09:44 – 01:09:48: Choosing your battles is never about punching quote-unquote right.
01:09:48 – 01:09:51: I think that we're discussing this a few days ago.
01:09:51 – 01:09:55: I think the left right spectrum, we all agree, is just about worthless.
01:09:55 – 01:09:58: But at the same time, you kind of know what somebody means.
01:09:58 – 01:10:02: When someone's to the left, there's an implication there that you can clearly understand what's
01:10:02 – 01:10:03: going on.
01:10:03 – 01:10:09: I think that at the far left, you have absolute satanic debauchery.
01:10:09 – 01:10:13: You have complete departure from everything that God wants.
01:10:13 – 01:10:19: And the closer you get to the right, ultimately, the closer you get to God's will, which is
01:10:19 – 01:10:24: not to say that what is on the quote-unquote far right is necessarily godly, because there
01:10:24 – 01:10:31: are a lot of pagans in those places who are instinctively trying to seek out godly things
01:10:31 – 01:10:34: without knowing God, and that's never going to work.
01:10:34 – 01:10:39: They're always going to make a mess, which is why I initially began talking about my Christian
01:10:39 – 01:10:41: faith on Twitter about five years ago.
01:10:41 – 01:10:46: I rebranded from one account to another and started talking about my faith because I saw
01:10:46 – 01:10:47: this very issue.
01:10:47 – 01:10:53: I saw that the confusion of politics and theology was actively destructive and was doing harm
01:10:53 – 01:10:55: in the world.
01:10:55 – 01:11:01: And I saw these guys on the right who didn't have God, but they had godly instincts about
01:11:01 – 01:11:09: family, about vocation, about justice that are true and correct and fit perfectly with
01:11:09 – 01:11:11: in a Christian worldview.
01:11:11 – 01:11:16: And I look and see pastors attacking them for saying those things.
01:11:16 – 01:11:19: And all I can do is grasp my head and think, what are these men doing?
01:11:19 – 01:11:23: Trying to drive these men away from the church who are seeking out God in the best way
01:11:23 – 01:11:29: that anyone can, but the pastors attack them because they're talking about things that
01:11:29 – 01:11:34: are more godly than anything the pastor is willing to uphold within his congregation.
01:11:34 – 01:11:36: And that's what this fight is about.
01:11:36 – 01:11:42: And someone is pseudonymous when they don't face the immediate destruction of their personal
01:11:42 – 01:11:49: life, of their family, of their livelihood, of their physical safety, yes, you can say
01:11:49 – 01:11:50: things.
01:11:50 – 01:11:55: They can't be said by someone who has a gun pointed his head, no kidding.
01:11:55 – 01:12:03: And so for pastors to call us cowards because we don't expose our names and faces is it
01:12:03 – 01:12:05: is itself cowardly.
01:12:05 – 01:12:10: And let them go attack the left, let them go attack the men who learn at the feet of
01:12:10 – 01:12:13: Sodomites rather than rebuking them.
01:12:13 – 01:12:19: And then we will have a conversation about who is closer to what God wants.
01:12:19 – 01:12:25: I actually don't think I've seen a single pastor on Twitter incidentally attack the leftist
01:12:25 – 01:12:27: who all use pseudonyms.
01:12:27 – 01:12:33: It's always the right.
01:12:33 – 01:12:38: And I think we would do well to look at scripture as always.
01:12:38 – 01:12:44: I don't think that Christ called us to be as smart as sheep.
01:12:44 – 01:12:48: He used a different term there for a good reason.
01:12:48 – 01:12:55: Yeah, modern Christianity is all about the innocent of stubs and completely leaves out
01:12:55 – 01:12:57: the wisest serpents part.
01:12:57 – 01:13:04: And that's a tough saying like many of Jesus sayings because the serpent was the craftiest
01:13:04 – 01:13:10: of all animals and Satan possessed one and caused this whole mess.
01:13:10 – 01:13:15: But we are not to be stupid, we are not to be fools.
01:13:15 – 01:13:17: Being foolish is damnable.
01:13:17 – 01:13:20: It is a sin to be a fool.
01:13:20 – 01:13:21: We'll send you to hell.
01:13:21 – 01:13:23: There's clear about that.
01:13:23 – 01:13:29: And I think that the modern conception of Christianity, even within Lutheranism, is
01:13:29 – 01:13:32: to embrace foolishness.
01:13:32 – 01:13:36: Now not directly, but it's always done for the sake of the gospel.
01:13:36 – 01:13:40: Well, we need to be foolish so that these people can have more Jesus.
01:13:40 – 01:13:46: Why are you trying to give Jesus to people who are unrepentant in their sin?
01:13:46 – 01:13:56: The law gospel dichotomy is a valuable distinction, but it has to correctly admit that you don't
01:13:56 – 01:14:00: give the gospel to people who deny the law.
01:14:00 – 01:14:06: You may hold it out as a promise to those who will follow the law who understand the law.
01:14:06 – 01:14:13: But to say to someone who's unrepentant in their sin, let me tell you about Jesus and
01:14:13 – 01:14:17: how you're all forgiven, is incoherent because they're unrepentant.
01:14:17 – 01:14:19: They're like, but I'm free from sin.
01:14:19 – 01:14:25: You have to start with convicting the conscience before you can get to the absolution.
01:14:25 – 01:14:33: And these pastors who flee from the pseudonymous are afraid of having their consciousness convicted.
01:14:33 – 01:14:35: That's ultimately what they're fleeing from.
01:14:35 – 01:14:40: They don't want to hear men speaking about Scripture in a way that might possibly
01:14:40 – 01:14:43: convict their own words and actions.
01:14:43 – 01:14:48: And that's not to say that we're sitting in judgment or that we are greater Christians
01:14:48 – 01:14:49: by any measure.
01:14:49 – 01:14:55: A pastor devotes his entire life to one of sacrifice on behalf of his sheep as a shepherd.
01:14:55 – 01:14:57: I have tremendous respect for that.
01:14:57 – 01:15:03: So as hard as you'll ever hear me be on pastors, it is precisely because of the importance
01:15:03 – 01:15:08: of the pastorial office that we are so adamant that pastors must be faithful and must not
01:15:08 – 01:15:10: make these errors.
01:15:10 – 01:15:16: One of my friends pointed out this past week, the great irony that all these pastors whose
01:15:16 – 01:15:22: salaries are paid by men who are anonymous online are telling them to become non-anonymous
01:15:22 – 01:15:24: and get fired and lose their jobs.
01:15:24 – 01:15:28: One of these pastors things is going to happen to their salaries when anybody gets fired.
01:15:28 – 01:15:32: When the most faithful men in your congregations who understand the ontological nature of these
01:15:32 – 01:15:38: fights, when they get fired by the Sodomite and their HR department for saying this
01:15:38 – 01:15:42: Sodomy is damnable, who's going to pay your bills?
01:15:42 – 01:15:45: How are you going to afford Christmas for your kids when everyone in your parish can't
01:15:45 – 01:15:47: afford to donate anything?
01:15:47 – 01:15:49: That's a real question.
01:15:49 – 01:15:53: And that's what this fight comes down to is to say that the bold Christian confession
01:15:53 – 01:16:00: has to be mindless is, it's exactly what Satan wants.
01:16:00 – 01:16:07: Satan wants men to be as innocent as doves and as dumb as sheep.
01:16:07 – 01:16:12: There's no wisdom permitted in the world to say in a seeking because as long as men one
01:16:12 – 01:16:20: by one get sent into the meek grinder of Salilinski's personal destruction, no one will ever
01:16:20 – 01:16:23: be able to join voices.
01:16:23 – 01:16:26: And the fight over Christian nationalism and all these other things is fundamentally
01:16:26 – 01:16:31: about keeping each of us atomized to make sure that there's no unity of voice, that there's
01:16:31 – 01:16:37: no consistency, that we all one by one, you say you're weird little thing and then you get
01:16:37 – 01:16:41: doxed and then you have to admit how terrible you were and what a dark place you were in
01:16:41 – 01:16:43: your life when you said it.
01:16:43 – 01:16:46: And then everyone says all shocks, that's too bad.
01:16:46 – 01:16:49: And you get your gifts and go canceled and then you're destroyed for life.
01:16:49 – 01:16:53: One by one they want us destroyed, they want us isolated and kept apart.
01:16:53 – 01:17:00: And the whole point of Christian nationalism, the whole point of the push towards overt Christian
01:17:00 – 01:17:07: unity in the subjection to God is to say, hey, if all of us sheep are together and heard,
01:17:07 – 01:17:12: the wolves can't pick us off, we get picked off when we're separated from the herd.
01:17:12 – 01:17:16: That's why the lost sheep was such a big deal because that one sheep of the 99 was out
01:17:16 – 01:17:18: alone.
01:17:18 – 01:17:21: And the 99 were safe, they were together.
01:17:21 – 01:17:25: They were still dumb as sheep, but they had strength in numbers because there was unity
01:17:25 – 01:17:27: of just the mass of them.
01:17:27 – 01:17:32: It was the one sheep who was in danger because he was off alone fending for himself.
01:17:32 – 01:17:37: And that's what Satan's trying to do to everyone, pick us off, destroy us, send examples
01:17:37 – 01:17:39: so that no one else will ever stray.
01:17:39 – 01:17:44: Only in this case, the straying is not from Christianity, but it's straying from our
01:17:44 – 01:17:46: churches into Christianity.
01:17:46 – 01:17:52: And that's the fight that this is about.
01:17:52 – 01:17:57: So as we wrap this episode up, I want to make a shocking reveal to won't really be a
01:17:57 – 01:18:01: shocked anyone who's actually paid close attention to previous episodes.
01:18:01 – 01:18:07: But this is also an episode about headship as pretty much all of them have been.
01:18:07 – 01:18:14: The way that headship interacts with pseudonymity versus knowing a man's name points us back
01:18:14 – 01:18:15: to Scripture.
01:18:15 – 01:18:21: When we look at the sixth day of creation in Genesis 2 where Adam was created, let me just
01:18:21 – 01:18:23: read this briefly.
01:18:23 – 01:18:27: Then the Lord God said, it is not good that the man should be alone.
01:18:27 – 01:18:29: I will make him a helper fit for him.
01:18:29 – 01:18:34: Now out of the ground, the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of
01:18:34 – 01:18:38: the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them.
01:18:38 – 01:18:42: And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.
01:18:42 – 01:18:46: The man gave names to the livestock and to the birds of the heavens and every beast of
01:18:46 – 01:18:47: the field.
01:18:47 – 01:18:50: But for Adam, there was not found a helper fit for him.
01:18:50 – 01:18:53: So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man.
01:18:53 – 01:18:58: And while he slept, took one of his ribs and closed up his place with flesh.
01:18:58 – 01:19:02: And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man, he made into a woman and brought
01:19:02 – 01:19:08: her to the man, then the man said, this at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.
01:19:08 – 01:19:13: She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man.
01:19:13 – 01:19:19: Now note that in both cases there for all the animals and then for the woman who was
01:19:19 – 01:19:29: created, Adam as the designative head of creation under God had authority over the creatures
01:19:29 – 01:19:32: and over eve by virtue.
01:19:32 – 01:19:36: And as a part of his headship, that included naming them.
01:19:36 – 01:19:42: Now that's very significant because to have a name is to have some form of authority over
01:19:42 – 01:19:43: it.
01:19:43 – 01:19:47: You know, when you're talking to someone, one of the first things you do is you want to
01:19:47 – 01:19:48: ask their name.
01:19:48 – 01:19:51: And that's sort of the natural inclination online except that in a place where pseudonymity
01:19:51 – 01:19:55: is completely normative, it kind of shifts gears.
01:19:55 – 01:19:59: And so when pastors are saying, I need to know your real name.
01:19:59 – 01:20:05: They're not simply as, as Corey mentioned earlier, they're not simply trying to clarify.
01:20:05 – 01:20:09: They're attempting to assert authority over you.
01:20:09 – 01:20:15: And we can see this made clear at the other end of the scripture in Revelation 19.
01:20:15 – 01:20:18: Then I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse.
01:20:18 – 01:20:21: The one sitting on it was, is called faithful and true.
01:20:21 – 01:20:24: And in righteousness he judges and makes war.
01:20:24 – 01:20:28: His eyes are like a flame of fire and on his head or many diadams.
01:20:28 – 01:20:32: And he has a name written that no one knows but himself.
01:20:32 – 01:20:38: Now, sometimes in the past Christians have sort of fixated on this secret name of God.
01:20:38 – 01:20:42: It's not particularly the New Testament.
01:20:42 – 01:20:49: The implication for us that there is a name of God that is not known to us is one of
01:20:49 – 01:20:50: authority.
01:20:50 – 01:20:55: God has not given us that name to call him by because it is his own.
01:20:55 – 01:20:59: And he has authority because only he knows it.
01:20:59 – 01:21:03: As exactly what, though, you're a pseudonymous coward thing comes down to.
01:21:03 – 01:21:07: Is it pastors don't know our name so they don't have authority over us.
01:21:07 – 01:21:14: And they seek to reveal that which is hidden from them as an act of dominance.
01:21:14 – 01:21:24: So when we go back to Larry Bean and the other pastor on Goddastine said John Bussman related
01:21:24 – 01:21:27: to synodemity, I just want to quote Larry again.
01:21:27 – 01:21:33: He accused me and my friends of quote, approaching theology with a mindset of a cowering keyboard
01:21:33 – 01:21:36: warrior using a pseudonym.
01:21:36 – 01:21:42: Now this is particularly rich coming from Larry to say that you're a coward if you don't
01:21:42 – 01:21:44: use your real name.
01:21:44 – 01:21:50: Everybody implying that he who uses his real name has the strength and the courage that
01:21:50 – 01:21:55: is denied to those who do not use the real name.
01:21:55 – 01:22:00: This is funny because I know for a fact that Larry Bean is well aware of the demon that
01:22:00 – 01:22:02: we mentioned last week.
01:22:02 – 01:22:07: Rick McCafferty is a pulpit, it is a Lutheran pastor in our own pulpits.
01:22:07 – 01:22:10: He is an open and unrepentant universalist.
01:22:10 – 01:22:13: And Larry knows this, Larry's not about this for many months.
01:22:13 – 01:22:16: Now Larry has never said anything about it on his blog.
01:22:16 – 01:22:19: He's never said anything about Goddastine.
01:22:19 – 01:22:20: He has multiple blogs.
01:22:20 – 01:22:21: I couldn't find him saying anything anywhere.
01:22:21 – 01:22:25: I don't care if he wrote a letter to Rick McCafferty's beat deep here or not, who by the
01:22:25 – 01:22:30: way endorses this stuff because he put it on the district website.
01:22:30 – 01:22:38: Larry is the coward here because Larry, rather than punching to his own level, going after
01:22:38 – 01:22:43: pastors and pulpits that he shares by virtue of also being in the synod, there's a man
01:22:43 – 01:22:47: who's a universalist who's going to hell and is going to take his sheep with him.
01:22:47 – 01:22:49: Larry knows, Larry is silent.
01:22:49 – 01:22:51: He's completely silent.
01:22:51 – 01:22:56: I am naming Rick McCafferty and other anons have gone after him as well because no pastors
01:22:56 – 01:22:57: will do it.
01:22:57 – 01:23:00: Now tell me who's the coward.
01:23:00 – 01:23:03: I'm using a pseudonym, but I'm naming a real man.
01:23:03 – 01:23:04: Is that cowardly?
01:23:04 – 01:23:05: No.
01:23:05 – 01:23:06: The point is the church.
01:23:06 – 01:23:08: The point is what's happening in the church.
01:23:08 – 01:23:15: The reason that these men like Larry are pissed off that there are synonymous men addressing
01:23:15 – 01:23:20: these issues is that the men like Larry are too afraid to do it because you know what?
01:23:20 – 01:23:27: The Missouri Synod amended its bylaws to make it a corporate crime for a pastor to publicly
01:23:27 – 01:23:30: denounce another pastor's faithlessness.
01:23:30 – 01:23:31: That's evil.
01:23:31 – 01:23:33: That is absolutely evil.
01:23:33 – 01:23:37: This is an evil synod today that would say that a pastor is enjoined from addressing
01:23:37 – 01:23:39: the error of others publicly.
01:23:39 – 01:23:42: That has never happened in the history of theology.
01:23:42 – 01:23:47: It's wound up in false interpretations of the 8th Commandment and Matthew 18 that have
01:23:47 – 01:23:50: been roundly refuted for a long time.
01:23:50 – 01:23:54: Goddastines that self-published something that I transcribed a number a month ago from
01:23:54 – 01:24:01: Professor Markcord, who's sainted now, who clearly laid out that these claims that if
01:24:01 – 01:24:06: a pastor or anyone else does something theological and you don't like it because it's not scriptural,
01:24:06 – 01:24:09: you must approach them in private to deal with it.
01:24:09 – 01:24:10: That's nonsense.
01:24:10 – 01:24:11: It's not scriptural.
01:24:11 – 01:24:12: It's not from God.
01:24:12 – 01:24:18: What is is its camouflage and its cover for evil men to continue doing their evil things.
01:24:18 – 01:24:23: So Corey, you and I are addressing these things publicly because they are public matters.
01:24:23 – 01:24:28: Rick McCafferty is a public universalist and Larry Bean is a public coward for not naming
01:24:28 – 01:24:29: him.
01:24:29 – 01:24:31: Rather, he punches down.
01:24:31 – 01:24:36: Ironically, the very men who are further to the right than him who are pseudonymous,
01:24:36 – 01:24:41: who defend him when other pastors like Matt Stannock and Jeremy Stanky and some of these
01:24:41 – 01:24:48: other vipers slander him for being a Confederate is Osad somehow that's a bad thing.
01:24:48 – 01:24:55: When Larry respects his ancestors from the south, he's obeying the 4th Commandment, there's
01:24:55 – 01:24:57: nothing evil about that.
01:24:57 – 01:25:01: But just like these guys attack Christian nationalism, they attack all these other things
01:25:01 – 01:25:03: in the attack racism.
01:25:03 – 01:25:06: It is fundamentally all an attack on the church.
01:25:06 – 01:25:11: So for Larry to be attacking a non's quote unquote, he's attacking the only guys in the
01:25:11 – 01:25:13: Senate who actually have his back.
01:25:13 – 01:25:14: And I have his back too.
01:25:14 – 01:25:15: I really like Larry.
01:25:15 – 01:25:16: I respect him a lot.
01:25:16 – 01:25:20: By calling him out here, I'm not disavowing him or throwing under the bus.
01:25:20 – 01:25:29: I'm simply pointing out that this misconstrual of pseudonymity as some vice or some weakness
01:25:29 – 01:25:30: is nonsense.
01:25:30 – 01:25:34: And it's punching to the right and it's attacking the very men who were the, frankly,
01:25:34 – 01:25:39: the only ones who were actually fighting for what remains of the Senate's faithfulness.
01:25:39 – 01:25:44: Goddastines is a great place and I like what they do, but they're fighting for the liturgy.
01:25:44 – 01:25:46: That fight is in the revier mirror.
01:25:46 – 01:25:49: We're fighting now for the first article.
01:25:49 – 01:25:51: For whether or not we even believe in God anymore.
01:25:51 – 01:25:53: That's what we're losing control of.
01:25:53 – 01:25:57: I love the liturgy, but it's not protecting us from these universalists anymore than
01:25:57 – 01:26:02: the Constitution has protected this country from people subverting it because when you
01:26:02 – 01:26:07: take something like the liturgy or the Constitution, you can use it as cover for whatever you
01:26:07 – 01:26:08: want to do.
01:26:08 – 01:26:13: And addressing that is something that the Anons are doing, that the pseudonymists are doing.
01:26:13 – 01:26:18: And I welcome the support of other pastors to get out in front of these things.
01:26:18 – 01:26:23: Like we said on the very first episode, Cory and I are the stones who are crying out because
01:26:23 – 01:26:28: these men, these pastors who are not anonymous are failing to do so.
01:26:28 – 01:26:32: We would have nothing to say if these pastors who hate pseudonymity would just do their
01:26:32 – 01:26:34: damn jobs.
01:26:34 – 01:26:39: And if they think it's their job to punch down and to attack the pseudonymous men who
01:26:39 – 01:26:44: are addressing theology, then they certainly must confess that it's their job to address
01:26:44 – 01:26:47: universalists and vipers in their own pulpits.
01:26:47 – 01:26:48: So let's see that happen.