Transcript: Episode 0005

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What about success?

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What about success?

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All but more success!

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What about success?

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Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast, I am Corey J. Moller, and I'm Woe.

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In this episode we will be discussing anonymity, pseudonymity, and a number of related issues.

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You may have noticed that we successfully returned to our intended episode length, which

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is to say just over an hour.

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And one final matter you may have noticed a small e next to this episode in your podcast

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That of course is the explicit flag.

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Now no, we have not turned into a blue podcast and we do not make frequent or really any

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use of expletives in this episode, and we do not intend to do so.

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However, we do use the word Sodomites and discuss an issue related to Sodomites.

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And in order to keep our podcast from being banned by the various podcast directories,

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we are essentially required to flag this episode as explicit.

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Of course that is an issue, Christians should be willing to discuss and about which they

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should know.

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So you need not have any fear in listening to this episode, although if you have children

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listening with you, you may have to explain some things if they are attentive children.

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If you read the show notes and why wouldn't you, they're short and generally informative,

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then you already know that we can be reached via telegram.

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We have a telegram channel.

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It is linked in the show notes and on the website.

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We can be reached via the comment system on the website.

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Additionally, we now have an email address for comments, questions, concerns, feedback.

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What have you?

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That email address is comments at stone-quire.com.

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So today's episode is going to be about a topic that we've had in mind for a while.

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It has come to the fore with recent events that have spilled out on Twitter and elsewhere.

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The subject is pseudonymity or anonymity versus men who use their full Christian names when

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they speak online.

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When people describe us as anonymous, or most people online as anonymous, it's really

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a mismanumer.

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To be anonymous is to have no attribution whatsoever.

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The definition of anonymous is nameless, wanting a name without the real name of the author.

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So for example, if someone leaves a pamphlet on your windshield and there's no attribution

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whatsoever, it doesn't say what group it's from or any sort of byline, that's anonymous.

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You have no idea where it came from.

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On the other hand, if there's a copyright statement or there's some sort of group name or

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maybe it says Publius or something, that's a pseudonym.

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That's not their legal name.

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It's not necessarily a specific person that you can attribute it to, but you can attribute

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it in generally what they have said to their identity.

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So I, for example, am not anonymous.

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I have never been anonymous online.

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I am pseudonymous.

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I've had multiple aliases over the years, not because I was up to anything sketchy, but

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frankly, I kept getting banned from Twitter.

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And so when I came back, I had to change my name or I would immediately get rebanned.

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And that's an interesting part of all of this because when most people hear I was banned

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from Twitter, your immediate thought is, well, you know, he must have done something

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to deserve it.

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He must have been a real jerk or he used terrible language or he was abusive or something.

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You know, obviously, if I was banned, I must have deserved it somehow.

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Well, what has come out and what is going to come out even further as Elon rips back

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the veil is that the people doing the banning, which all of us who were getting banned,

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knew for a fact.

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The banners were trannies, were sodomites, were pedophiles.

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Those are the people who didn't want me on Twitter, who didn't want me talking.

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So if you think that you're on the same page as those guys morally, that's probably a

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bigger question that we can ever answer on one of our episodes, but you should spend

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some serious time thinking about that.

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So I am pseudonymous, not because I'm ashamed of anything I say.

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I mean, the fact that I'm now, you know, putting my voice to it, it makes it inevitable.

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At some point, I will to be doxed and there will be absolute attribution to everything

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I've ever said, which I'm fine with.

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I'm not fine with being doxed.

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That's an evil, murderous thing for people to do, but there is no shame in anything that

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I have said, the things that I say online are the same things that I say in person.

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The difference between an in-person conversation and an online conversation is that in person,

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you have the other individual in front of you, their particular views where they're coming

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from, and you work with those if you're a normal human being trying to have a conversation.

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On the internet, it's different.

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The audience is a generic one.

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So in a sense, it's easier to speak directly to what I think, not because I'm hiding something

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in person and I'm blunt on the internet.

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It's just that I don't have to assume any particular givens for whom I'm speaking to.

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So I'm not anonymous.

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I'm in a attributable voice that has everything I've ever said.

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You can look at the very pseudonyms and say, yeah, this guy has said all that stuff and

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I did.

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Am I proud of all of it?

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No.

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I've said things were stupid.

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I've made tweets in the past that I deleted because that was awful.

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I shouldn't have said that.

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I'm a human being.

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So to say that I'm not ashamed of what I've posted doesn't necessarily mean I've never

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said anything idiotic because I have, but I've never said anything evil because I have.

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But the salient facts of the reasons that I was banned and will probably be banned again

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even with Elon are theological in nature.

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They come down to why all these fights are happening in the world and frankly why we're

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doing this podcast.

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So just at the outset, I want to make clear that when you say that people like me are anonymous,

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they're abusing the word forechan and the other image boards.

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Those are anonymous image boards.

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When you go to one, you click on a forum or a topic group, you click on a thread, you

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go down to the bottom, you just type in whatever you want to say and send and it appears.

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There's no login.

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There's no attribution you show up as anonymous.

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That's an interesting case because there's no reputation there and someone who is keen

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on reputation will think, oh, well, that's terrible.

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People can do whatever.

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But there's a flip side to that also is that you don't get any credit for being some brilliant

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person or for having certain credentials.

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You show up on the timeline with ever, whatever your current thought was and then you vanish.

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You never get any credit for it.

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You can't take credit because you're anonymous.

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That's what anonymous means.

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Again, I'm pseudonymous.

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I have years of posting on various pseudonyms that I take credit for all of it.

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Those are my thoughts.

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It's funny.

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I looked back at some of the things I was tweeting two, three years ago and their every

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bit is relevant today as they were then, even though when I was saying it then, a lot

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of the things I was saying for the first time.

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In fact, many of them were addressing this very question.

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It's interesting that you and I Courier are the two people talking about this because

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you are the least anonymous Lutheran out there who's the target of these very attacks.

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I'd like to first ask you is not a pseudonymous man, is Corey J. Mallor, who puts your name

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on everything.

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You are the ideal case.

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You're the ideal case for what these pastors think everyone should be doing.

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All the folks maybe don't know behind the scenes what it's like being Corey and a world

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where you say things that you believe that are hated by the world.

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Yes, saying that I am not anonymous or even pseudonymous is almost an understatement

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considering my website is my name.

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I have my actual profile picture of me on all of my accounts.

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In fact, it's in front of the brewery I go to after church, no less.

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Pretty much everyone knows I live in East Tennessee.

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It's not hard to find the church I attend.

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That's relevant because I have had individuals, pastors, in fact, who disagree with the things

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we have said, who have contacted my pastor, basically an proxy attempt to harass me.

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Even beyond that, there's the obvious social media you get death threats and things like

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that.

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Sometimes I've had particularly lovely DMs show up on Twitter and on Facebook back when

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I used that.

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That's been a long time ago though.

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Really, what those who say they do not want anonymity, really pseudonymity, but those

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who say they don't want it, they want the ability to harass people.

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That's what they're saying.

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They don't want to engage with the idea.

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They just want the potential.

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They want the power over that person to harass him and if they can destroy him.

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I'm a little more insulated than some.

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I'm not working for a large law firm as an attorney and so they can't call my supervisor

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and get me fired.

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They absolutely would if they could.

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I do not for a second doubt that some of the people from Twitter and elsewhere have

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complained to the bar.

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I haven't done anything that violates any rules, so all they've done is annoy some

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peon at the bar, but it's very obvious the pattern of behavior in which they're engaging

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what it is they want to do.

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They do not want to have a conversation as they will sometimes say they don't want to

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know the man on the other side of the screen.

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That's not it.

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They want to be able to locate that man to harass and destroy him.

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It is malice that animates these men.

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In some cases, there's also a bit of foolishness there, but ultimately it's malice.

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Yeah.

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And we were talking about this yesterday, the particularly hilarious thing about whenever

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these guys complain about anons as like these evil slanders, they always ignore the fact

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that you exist under your real name.

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While simultaneously whenever they refer to you in particular, they treat you like

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Voldemort on Twitter, they'll, they're afraid to type the name Corey Moller because they're

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afraid that somehow you're going to like appear like bloody Mary.

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And so they will have done that a couple times just to mess with them, but they were asking

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for it.

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Yeah.

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It's well deserved, but like they know your name and they're too afraid to say it.

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You're like Voldemort to these people who are intimately familiar with that ridiculous

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illusion, they, they, they have a name and then they won't use it, as you said, except

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to personally target you to seek harm against you in your life, in your livelihood and

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in your church.

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Well, they got me banned from Twitter.

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Yeah.

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Me too.

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Yeah, I was.

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Well, my Moller LCMS account on Twitter, fellow Christians got that one banned.

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I'm sure there were some others who were in there as well, but I had to accounts.

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I was not avoiding a ban or a suspension because my main account, which is my name, my

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full name I had had since 2012.

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So I wasn't really planning that far advanced to avoid a suspension.

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I had Moller LCMS.

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I originally intended to sort of split the two address politics and such on the main

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account and religious topics on the other.

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I wound up using the other almost exclusively because I was mostly talking about religious

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topics and very little about politics.

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But the reason the thing they used to report me to get me banned was they mass reported

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a particular tweet where I said that the punishment for the production of pornography should be

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capital punishment.

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I said they should be executed.

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That is a call for a change in the law, of course, but they all mass reported it as a threat,

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which of course is bearing false witness against me.

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But they used that in order to get me banned and that was largely fellow Christians.

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My main account got banned because I said something about the Eastern Orthodox and somehow

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someone brought it to the attention of Rod Dreyer and I know he's the one who got me

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banned because for those who aren't familiar with how this works, when you get banned

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suspended whatever they want to call it, you receive an email with the reason.

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Now it's probably a vague reason it may not be a relevant reason, but you get an email

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that contains a reason.

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If you are reported by a blue check because they have a special back channel, you receive

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nothing.

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Your account is just all of a sudden suspended.

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You can no longer log in.

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And that is what happened to my main account right after I interacted with Rod Dreyer and

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I have the screenshots that's easy to find.

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I'd like to apologize to our audience for this extremely online talk.

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There's a lot of stuff that happens on Twitter and Facebook and elsewhere that the reason

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that we're talking about this, this is not sour grapes over our accounts.

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This is about the much more fundamental issue of what is falsely called the culture war

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where people confuse theology with politics and vice versa.

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They're not able to understand where the line is if there's a line at all.

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So the reason we're talking about this is that we're trying to ultimately talk about

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where that line is between theology and politics because it's not where these guys are

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drawing it.

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And for better or worse, these things play out online.

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So while a lot of stuff happens on Twitter and elsewhere, we never want this podcast

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to be about the internet drama, about e-drama, like that's exhausting.

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I don't want to hear it.

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I know you don't want to hear it if you care about this podcast.

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So please don't mistake what we're saying is being about us and our accounts, whatever.

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But as Corey just said, the fact that Christians have gone after us to remove us from being

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able to speak at all because they don't like what we say about theology, that's much

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more deeply rooted than just internet talk.

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Like that's not about any particular website.

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That's a fundamental question of how the church is to operate, which is what we're talking

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about today.

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So I've already defined a pseudonym, but I'd just like to give you a few examples of if

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you think the pseudonyms are evil or they're a bad thing, anyone who knows Adamalgy knows

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that pseudomines false in Greek.

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Now that's in English, that has a very negative connotation to say something is false is the

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opposite of true.

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So that's gross.

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Like you won't find someone who's more obsessed with the truth than me.

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So for me to be saying something that pseudonyms are great or pseudonyms are fine, you could

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easily think falsely that I am somehow being an hypocrite.

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pseudonyms are aliases, they're nicknames, they're fictitious names, stage names, pen

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names, they're regnal names as well.

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So it's very common for kings and every pope to assume a new name when they ascend to

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their office.

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Most people listening have probably heard of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, you've all heard

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of Pope Francis.

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That's his pseudonym.

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He's not Francis, he's Torre, but in his office he has assumed the pseudonym.

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Now in his case, there's no disconnect between the two identities, but the identity of

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Pope has with it that association where a pseudonym goes along with it.

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It's also common as I mentioned, you know, stage names or in pen names, you know, everyone

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knows Mark Twain, almost as many no Samuel Clemens.

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The man was Samuel, the author was Mark, they were the same guy.

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Very few of you probably would recognize the same easier Daniela Vitch, but you all know

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Kirk Douglas.

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No one would know who I was talking about when I mentioned Bernard Schwartz, but everybody

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knows who Tony Curtis is.

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Some people might recognize a name named Nimrada Randhawa, but you all know Nicky Haley.

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And here's a great one, Alisa Zenovienia, Zenovvend, I could say this earlier, Zenovend

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Venevna Rosenbaum, who became Alice O'Connor and then became Ein Rand.

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Now nobody knows Alisa, but everybody knows Ein.

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In the case of those people, those were all Jews who came into Western countries.

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They shapeshifted into assuming our names so that when you heard Bernard Schwartz, you

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think, well, that guy's probably a Jew.

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Tony Curtis, like that's the, that's a waspious name imaginable.

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So maybe he's a Irish or Italian, but you wouldn't think that he was from the land of

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his origin and the people of his origin.

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So those are people who assume pseudonyms in order to shapeshift.

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I have a pseudonym just because that's how the internet works.

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I've been on the internet for decades and I've had, I had lost how many count on how many

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pseudonyms I've had.

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Again, not because like I'm covering my tracks.

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It's just that my identity online is not, it's just a pointer to my voice.

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So for example, Corey, you and I are in a group of a bunch of Lutherans, 50 odd guys.

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I know your name and I won't know one or two other guys, Christian names.

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The names that are written in the book of life for eternity as we talked about last week.

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But the vast majority, I only know pseudonyms and some of them have changed their pseudonyms

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fairly often.

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Now, this is an interesting case because one of the things that we do in this group is

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we will regularly pin prayer requests for guys, you know, sometimes half a time, a dozen

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times a day where someone is about to have the birth of a child or the child is sick or

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they're looking for a wife or they have a parent who's sick or dying, all sorts of

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things that happen in real life that are consequential, that are meaningful for prayer.

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And in every one of those cases, it's somebody with a pseudonym who's saying, hey guys, please

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pray for me.

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Now, because we understand what pseudonyms are for, we don't think, well, I'm going to ask

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God to pray for night George and his new baby.

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I hope God knows who I'm talking about because I don't, like that's nonsense.

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I know who he is.

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I know things about him.

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I just don't know his name.

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I don't care about his name and it's not apathy.

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It's that to me, he's KG and he's a close friend.

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God knows who he is.

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So when I take night George to God in prayer, I don't have any doubt that God knows exactly

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who I'm talking about.

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And the same is true of my pseudonym.

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God knows exactly who I am when I'm posting on the internet.

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And these pastors, these people who get angry that someone is posting without accountability,

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they want accountability, want to hold somebody's feet to the fire, is though, I think that

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I'm tricking God by using a different name than the one that's written in the book of

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life.

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I have no such delusions.

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I am accountable for every careless word.

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Like I said, I've had careless words and sometimes I'm ashamed of them like, nope, I got

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to get rid of that because that was, I should not have done that.

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That was shame before God because I said it and God saw me see it.

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The fact that it was attributed online to a pseudonym is meaningless between me and my

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creator.

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And the fact that some pastor who gets mad at me doesn't know my name is totally immaterial.

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As you said earlier, these guys never want to actually discuss the things we want to

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discuss.

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They will think that they're slandering you by calling you slavery, Lutheran.

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And I grew to you completely on that subject.

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We'll do an episode probably pretty soon about slavery and what God says about slavery because

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it's not what these men say.

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It's not what the world say.

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But rather than dealing with the text of Scripture, they just want to go straight for

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ad hominem and discrediting the person rather than talking about the ideas.

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And so, pseudonymity is valuable in that case because it keeps, keeps the attacks away from

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the person and forces the discussion onto the ideas.

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As I've said before and elsewhere, I have no credentials.

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I'm not a pastor.

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I don't know Greek.

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I have no training for any of this.

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I freely admit that.

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And if you think that that disqualifies me from being heard, then no listen.

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That's fine.

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If in spite of the fact that I have no credentials, you hear what I say and think, huh, that's

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interesting.

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Or, wow, I really think this is valuable.

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That's between you and your understanding of Scripture through what the Holy Spirit

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has revealed to you that you would hear what I say and say, yeah, I think they agree

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with that.

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It's got nothing to do with credentials.

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So, guys who need their collar and their avatar online and they need to have their titles

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in order to be recognized, I think, is a very different kind of hiding behind something.

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They accuse me of hiding behind a pseudonym.

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Frankly, I think most of them are hiding behind their collars.

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Well, as mentioned, that is one of the benefits of pseudonymity is that the only thing that

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matters is what you said.

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And so those who are pseudonymous cannot make an appeal to credentials or to experience

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anything outside of what they have said.

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And so it is wholly about the argument.

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And in this case, we are basing everything we say on Scripture.

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And so those who are making these points under a pseudonymous account are simply making

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the point they are not saying, well, I'm a pastor.

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So you have to listen to me or I have this degree or that degree or this knowledge.

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In my case, I'm obviously not pseudonymous.

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But I am still making an appeal to the things I have said.

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You will note that on my website and on my accounts, I'm not adding all the letters

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that I could add after my name.

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I did for a little while simply to annoy a handful of people that really found that

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noxious because it amused me.

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But I've removed all that stuff because it's not actually particularly relevant to the

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things I'm saying.

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Yes, if the topic of European Union antitrust comes up, okay, fine.

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My credentials are now relevant.

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My training is relevant.

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But when it comes to these things, we are appealing to the Word of God.

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We are appealing to those who have the Spirit to hear God's voice and the things we are

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saying.

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And so the credentials are not relevant.

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Is being a pastor relevant to some of this stuff in some way?

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Well certainly when it comes to the stricter judgment, but in a very real way, the only

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thing that is relevant is whether or not the man who is speaking is repeating God's word.

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He may have whatever sort of clothing he wants on.

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He may have whatever degrees he wants, but what matters is what he is saying and being pseudonymous

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is actually in some way a benefit with regard to that.

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And it's not unprecedented within the faith he learned earlier.

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I mentioned we have a friend who goes by night, George, for obvious reasons.

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That's the Junker Yorg was one of Luther's pseudonyms when he was pursued by men who

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were trying to murder him.

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Yeah, and many, many people don't actually, I think that many people would not actually

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know who Junker Yorg is.

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They don't know that story.

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But after the diet of Vorms in 1521, Friedrich the Wise, one of Luther's patrons had him

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kidnapped, so to speak.

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He had him intercepted in the countryside on the way back from the diet because he had

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basically just been declared an outlaw in the old sense of the term.

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Someone could kill him without consequence.

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And so in order to protect him, they kidnapped him, spirited him away to Vartburg.

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And he assumed the name of Junker Yorg, more or less night, George.

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It's a little difference in emphasis there, but it's close enough of a translation.

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And so he lived essentially as a minor noble in Vartburg Castle in rooms that had traditionally

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been used for minor nobles who had basically fallen out of favor, but not so far that they

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needed to be executed.

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So it was not quite prison, but sort of house arrest.

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But while he was there, he had two squires who waited on him.

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He lived as a minor noble.

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Incidentally, he may have put on a little weight while he was there because he switched

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from a monk's diet to a minor noble's diet, very different thing.

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He interacted with other nobles.

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But while he was there, operating under this pseudonym, he translated the Bible.

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Essentially, the first time you really have the Bible in the vernacular being widespread.

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Obviously, yes, Greek at the time would have been vernacular, but it no longer was.

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Neither was Latin.

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And so we have, he also wrote two volumes worth of his works while he was in that castle.

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And so we have an instance in our own history.

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And this is the case for all Protestants, not just Lutherans, but obviously particularly

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for Lutherans, of a man operating under a pseudonym and achieving a great deal of good

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and doing it for a perfectly legitimate reason.

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In his case, he would have been killed if he had been found, if he had been using his name

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and been discovered.

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Today, the stakes aren't really that much different.

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Know the emperor is not going to literally drag you into the town square and chop off

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your head.

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If you express these unpopular opinions online and are found out, but the agents of our

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evil government are certainly going to find you, are going to get you fired, are going

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to make your life miserable, are going to send you death threats, may very well cause

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you physical harm.

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In some cases, this stuff does actually eventually in murder because some of our adversaries,

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some of our enemies are willing to go that far.

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That's the reason that we're talking about this is that there's, there are real world

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consequences to these pastors claiming that you must unmask yourself or you are a coward.

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One of my first exposures to the, the spirit behind what a lot of these pastors think was

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a year or so ago when I was on Jonathan Fisk's Discord, Fiskord, he obviously is the admin.

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There were like 600 people on the thing.

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I was in a channel with Adam Coons and a number of other pastors who my respect.

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And one day there was a conversation and I think, I don't remember the details.

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I think there was like a disagreement between me and another member, which was pretty typical.

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I was, I was there basically to be hated, but to speak the truth in a place where maybe

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a few people would hear it.

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Anyway, something happened and Jonathan Fisk falsely accused me of a sin in front of

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everyone from hundreds of people.

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He said that I had just sinned and the accusation was not borne out by any of the evidence.

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So that made her slanderous and because he's not only a pastor, but he is the admin, that

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made a powerful slander like it's one thing.

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If I is just a nobody on Discord, say something mean about somebody else, nobody cares.

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When the admin and the pastor who's, it's named after says something, everybody cares.

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So I rebuked him.

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I said, that was false.

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You need to repent and you need to take that back.

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You've harmed or I put my reputation.

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And his, the only reason I'm telling this story, it's not that I'm mad that someone

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was mean to me online.

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I remember it because I learned something very important that day from his response.

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Fisk responded by scoffing at me and essentially saying, I don't even know your name.

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You're not a real person.

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I can't possibly sin against you because I don't know who you are.

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And that was the end of it.

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Like as far as I was concerned, as far as he was concerned, because I was pseudonymous,

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he could do any manner of harm to my reputation, which is a real thing.

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I have a reputation because all of my comments online are attributable to a pseudonym, but

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to me.

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And he said, that's nothing.

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I can rob you of your reputation because it's not even you.

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You're not even really human being unless you use your real name.

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This is something that played out again this year in what was the inspiration for our

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very first episode where we talked about Mrs. Johnathan Lackey's book that was published

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by CPH that was teaching theology to the church.

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And Corey, you and my and I, our friend group were the first people within Lutheranism

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to discuss this.

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We discussed it in private and like, what's going on at CPH?

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Why are they, why are they unable to find pastors to teach theology?

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Like do we have a shortage?

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No, there's not a shortage of pastors.

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There may be a shortage of theologians, but that's a separate problem.

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But why is it that the organ of our synod is propping up a 25-year-old girl to teach theology?

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Jesus didn't even begin teaching theology until he was 30.

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But we disregard that example.

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He's like, well, okay, this girl, she's got a ton of gifts.

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She might even be better at Jesus that teaching theology.

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So she's upheld and she's given a publishing deal and her book is propped up and issues

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etc.

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It makes it the book of the month and everybody loves it.

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And some of our friends are like, this doesn't seem to be consistent with Scripture.

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Let's go look at where Scripture says that I do not permit a woman to speak.

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She is to be silent in the church.

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And the discussion was, you know, well, it doesn't the church mean that she can't preach.

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And basically, all the pastors concluded that there's nothing in the Bible that prevents

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a girl from doing anything except investing, giving communion, and standing in the pulpit

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and preaching.

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Everything else is up for grabs.

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Now most of them will deny that, but that's functionally what their arguments are.

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Whenever they look to 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 1 Corinthians 14, they see those texts strictly

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as protecting their pastoral office and not being about headship, we disagreed.

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So we started discussing it online and saying, hey, look at this book.

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Look what's going on.

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And it quickly spread because it was rightly controversial that a girl is teaching theology.

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And I want to read just a couple clips from what appeared on the God of Steens blog and

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on Larry Beans blog as a follow up.

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The first clip here that I'm going to read for you is from John Busman.

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He's a pastor.

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In the middle of his post, he just mentioned as an aside that he's Mrs. Jonathan Lackie's

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pastor.

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He really buried the lead there by launching into a multi-page diatribe that I'll get into

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here and failing to mention that it was his own parishioner.

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He was defending so forcefully.

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Nothing wrong with defending her, but say up front, I'm her pastor.

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Let me tell you what I think.

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By doing the lead, I believe.

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Defending himself.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's the one who either correctly or incorrectly taught her husband and her.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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By us questioning the nature of the headship of a woman teaching theology, we were implicitly

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questioning his headship.

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John, John Busman's headship as her pastor.

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And so he was absolutely defending himself indirectly.

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So here's what he said.

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So why the backlash?

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I actually think it's simply people with absolutely nothing better to do than to anonymously

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troll people and try to discourage them from fulfilling their vocation.

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We have those types enter into the goddess bug comment section all the time.

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You know the types.

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There are a couple of things there.

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Anonymously is always connected to troll.

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If you're anonymous, you're automatically a troll.

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This is Peter Sladen's big thing.

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He's a social media manager for the LCMS.

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He goes around calling people trolls all the time.

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He's blocked numerous pastors in our own synod from the official LCMS website because

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they follow trolls on Twitter.

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So see, this is this troll thing.

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This slander of calling someone a troll is exactly what Jonathan Fisk did to me.

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He said, I don't know your name.

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I don't like something you said rather than apologizing for slandering you, I'm going

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to label you a pseudonymous troll and then you're nothing.

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That's exactly what these other pastors, this what Busman did and what Bill Larry is going

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to do in a minute.

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Say, these are trolls.

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They're not really human beings.

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And the other thing that will be a subject for another day, but no, he said trying to discourage

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them, meaning girls, from fulfilling their vocation, meaning teaching theology to men.

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Now that's a textbook case of question begging because that's what they do.

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They say, well, obviously God gave her the gift to teach.

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So if she's teaching, it must be from God.

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And if you don't like her teaching, you must be opposed to God.

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Those are the rhetorical tricks they get played in these fights.

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In a subsequent post on Godestines, Bernal Eckert, you know, this is mostly written by Larry

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Bean, the Bernal posted under his name with credit to Larry.

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I said this, Father Busman's post brought to our attention to this, which is good.

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Not only a question of where the scriptural line is drawn in the real world regarding

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women teaching and publishing in their own time, place, and culture, but also regarding

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the roles of men and women and chivalry, quote, in the colon chivalry, chivalry, the swarming

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of a woman by anonymous men as recently happened in the Twitter world is not chivalrous Christian

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masculine behavior.

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And we all agree on that.

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This is fascinating for a few reasons one, we never said a single word to Molly on Twitter

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that was hostile or abrasive or overly critical.

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I, when you use Twitter, there's an advanced search where you can look and see everyone

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who has addressed another account by name.

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We looked at all the posts that anyone anywhere on the internet had said to Mrs. Lackey.

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There wasn't a single thing that was mean that was hateful.

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The only comment that we found was from one of our friends who said something nice to

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her, even in a thread where he was criticizing the fact that this book had been published.

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So for Larry and Bernel to say that the swarming of a woman on Twitter is slander.

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It is a lie.

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There is zero evidence for it.

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And it's one of these lies that these guys are happy to propagate because again, we've

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been labeled as trolls.

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So if it's a troll, no hold barred, you can say whatever you want about a troll because

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they're not really human.

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There's no, there's no question of sinning against a troll.

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So when they make those slander's accusations as pastors, as the guys who write the goddess

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blog, everyone who doesn't know anything automatically assumes that that actually happened.

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Most people believe that people were saying mean things to Mrs. Lackey on the internet.

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It literally never happened.

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I want to emphasize that it never happened.

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And at these men will repeat this over and over again and they're free to do so in their

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minds morally because the people speaking were pseudonymous.

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If they had not been pseudonymous, what would they have done?

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They would have called their pastors and said, you need to put this person on the lesser

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ban unless they repent for this sin where there was no sin.

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And they know that.

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So that's why we're talking about this because when someone makes accusations against a

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person without his name, they think they can't possibly sin against them.

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So when you see doxing and you see threats against livelihood and even flesh, they think

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it's okay, even though it's exactly what Antifa does.

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The post on goddess blog goes on.

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Finally, it's been our policy for several years not to allow anonymous posts.

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We decided we need to enforce it.

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There may have been a need for anonymity and discussing political and hot button social

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topics.

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But when it comes to discussing our faith, we are called upon to confess further putting

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your name on something requires that you put more thought into your comment to choose

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your words and your accusations more carefully and suggest subjects you to consequences within

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the church.

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They you'll be held accountable by your pastor and the case of pastors by your brothers

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and the ministerium.

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So that goes directly to what we just said.

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They don't want to discuss the ideas.

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They want punishment.

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They presume to act as judge, jury, and executioner in these theological discussions and they seek

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the destruction of the men with whom they disagree.

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There was another word that Larry used in their shovel for us and that absolutely came

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from him.

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He's a southerner.

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He's very proud of his southerner heritage and I respect that half my family is from

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the south.

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I get it.

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But I think it's ironic that in a discussion of a woman teaching theology, Larry and others

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would suddenly invoke these terms of chivalry and you can't say mean things to a girl.

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If you assume for the sake of argument that is legitimate for a girl to be teaching theology,

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she has stepped into the ring.

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She has made herself subject to criticism as every theologian is subject to criticism

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for what they say and whether they have the right to say it.

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So ironically, by begging chivalry as a defense of her honor, he was actually agreeing

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with us that she has no business talking about theology in the first place.

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And on Larry's own blog, he repeated a week later.

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Her pastor complained that she was being anonymously attacked on social media and he was angry

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and protective of this member of his flock.

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The nature of some social media platforms lends to swarming by trolls.

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This is where we are right now as men, who indeed are supposed to lead the church, refuse

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to use their real names, but instead approach theology with a mindset of a cowering keyboard

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warrior using a pseudonym.

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When it comes to the Christian faith, we should not resort to pseudo anything.

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We come from a long tradition of men and women, clergy and laity, willing to confess and

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take the consequences of their countercultural confession of Christ.

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Be strong and show yourself a man, O Christian.

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Now, he said some other things in the article.

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We did actually defend that there's an appropriate place for pseudonymity, but he specifically

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carved out a theology as a place where it's utterly impermissible, which is interesting

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when you look back to the Luther case where clearly Luther was speaking about theology.

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He was writing on theology and he was doing so pseudonymously.

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Pastors live sheltered lives, particularly pastors who go straight from seminary to, there

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is go straight from college to seminary to the parish.

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They never live a single day in the real life, so they don't know what to like to have an

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HR department, to have diversity, equity and inclusion training, to have annual multi-hour

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brainwashing sessions where you were forced to confess the sodomy and transgenderism and

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all of these other demonic evils are normative and tolerable and necessary parts of life.

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So this is what we're talking about, drawing the line between theology and politics.

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If someone is in the workplace and they're told that they have to call a coworker who

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is a man by his assumed name as a woman and his new identity, is that political or is

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that theological?

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Is that a lie he's allowed to tell because it's in the workplace and really it's not

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about John 316, so what if he calls John Jeanette?

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That's theological.

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That is a confession of the faith because to call a man a woman is to deny the creator

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of that person.

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That's a first article denial.

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When I was taught as a child, I believe in God the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and

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earth and of all things, visible and invisible.

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That applies to me as a man and to someone else as a woman.

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And so for someone to come along and say, you need to call this man a woman.

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That's the most profound theological statement that I can make in this day because your employer

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is not attacking justification.

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He's not asking you to say, so do you think, let's see how you can save yourself before

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God?

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And it's not even a pinch of incense.

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He said, you need to deny your creator by saying that this person was made in a different

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image.

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Well, Satan has learned over the intervening centuries.

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We had the knockdown dragout fight that actually culminated in more than one war over justification.

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Satan is still attacking that with regard to the many false churches that exist, but

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he's not attacking us with that because you are not going to get Lutherans who deny

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article four.

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That's just not going to happen.

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But you don't need to do that if you can get them to go ahead and deny the first article

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of the creed.

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Because if you don't have the Father, well, you don't have the Son, the same as if you

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don't have the Son, don't have the Father, because God is one, three and one, of course.

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But that is how Satan is attacking the church today.

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It's how he's attacking Christians.

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He is attacking us with ontology, a word that people are going to hear a lot from this

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podcast, but probably not very much from anywhere else.

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The nature of things matters because God is the author of that nature.

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Yes, our nature is fallen because of sin.

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It is corrupted, but God is still the author of what that nature was intended to be and

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insofar as our nature reflects what God intended it to be.

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It is directly God's good creature, God's good creation.

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And when we deny that, it is, as you said, a denial of God.

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You cannot say that black is white and white is black.

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Woe to those who call good evil and evil good.

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God is very clear about this in Scripture.

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You do not get to deny the reality of things and continue to claim that you are in fact

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still a Christian because you've denied your creator.

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And all of these fights that are called social justice or critical theory, these things

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are coming from the so-called left hand kingdom, which is a dichotomy that we need to dissect

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and put in its proper place in a future episode.

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But when pastors like Larry say, well, if you're talking about the faith, you got to use

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your name.

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Well, it's talking about the faith to talk about sodomites and the fact that sodomites

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reproduce by raping children.

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One of the other pastors who has recently been posting some better things is Hans Feeney,

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the Lutheran satire guy.

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His last name is Feeney, but his grandfather was a priest.

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He's a member of the priest dynasty, which I say lovingly, not with any criticism.

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He's probably among the weakest of the prices, the current crop, the guys like Mark and

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Christian are outstanding.

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Rolf is one of the older ones.

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He's a great man who will boldly speak the truth about these things.

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And so recently, there was a comment from Hans on Twitter specifically talking about

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the fact that sodomites reproduce by raping children, which is a fact.

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I've had eight, I've had nine homosexual friends over the course of my life.

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Every single one of them had stories about their first sexual encounter with an adult

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when they were between 12 and 14.

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And they became sodomites themselves because that was the easiest way to cope with having

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been raped as a child.

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They were groomed first like it wasn't, it wasn't overtly forcible rape, but no one

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saying would agree that a 12 year old can consent to having sex.

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And yeah, that was the case in each of these.

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And so now that's anecdata, but it's also on our percent anecdata.

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And that is borne out by the surveys and by the discussions and by just talking to these

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people.

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They will all be open if they talk long enough about the fact that their first encounters

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with men of the same sex were as children, it's literally how they reproduce.

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Nobody wants to talk about that in the church because we want to talk about LGBTQ

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by identity.

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That is such a perverse and demonic acronym.

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It should never be in the mouth of any Christian and God forgive me for having said it, but

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I want to point out the fact that when you use those, the rainbow flag multi-colored aspect

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of, well, sexuality is just this huge, it's a variety of things, it can be anything.

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It cuts to the heart of theology.

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It cuts to the heart of God made man and woman and gave them to each other to be fruitful

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and multiply.

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And all of these perversions, which are not only damnable, but God repeatedly commands

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the physical destruction of those who commit those things.

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Homosexual men will actually go even farther than just discussing those things.

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Because as a psychological defense mechanism that's part of it, they will actually go so

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far as to brag about how young they were when they were molested, when they were raped.

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And a lot of pastors, I don't think, have ever been around that subset of the population,

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they don't understand these things.

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And another thing to go back to when you said that pastors are at least those who are

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first career, not second career, not going to be as insulated, but depending on the age

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still fairly insulated from what's happening today, they don't realize that what you just

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said, and by my sitting here, what I have said, and I agree with everything you said

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to be explicit about it.

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But simply by my sitting here, if I had just remained silent, I would be fired if I were

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working at a large corporation or even a medium size one, because someone would report

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me to HR and HR would fire me just because you said it and I was sitting here in silence.

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As I said, what is in Scripture?

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And that's where the fundamental disconnect is where these pastors don't understand.

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All this stuff is theology.

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Christian nationalism is theology, it's not politics.

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Just as whether or not a woman can be writing a theological book is theology, it's not politics.

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Whether a man can have sex with a man is not politics, it's theology.

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We have these artificial lines that we've begun to permit to be drawn by Satan in our

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world, and they're deliberately having us into a corner where there's effectively nothing

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left of the Christian life, except for talking about John 316, and otherwise just shut

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up in mind your own business, and that's effectively what these pastors are doing.

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You had mentioned second career, and you're absolutely right that the timing is vital to

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his credit Larry Bean as a second career guy, he originally had a real job, but he had

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a professional job, so he has experienced a rural world to some extent.

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But that was 15 years ago, going on 20 years ago before he went to seminary.

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I can tell you from the group of guys that we have now, we have a good mix of zoomers,

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millennials, and actors in the group, I've said this repeatedly, the 20-year-old guys

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in our group, the things that happened to them in college today are so much worse than

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that the 25-year-olds remember that they have a hard time believing it.

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Now imagine someone who's got another 20 years on that, you have no frame of reference.

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So a pastor who's been out of the workplace for 15 years literally has no idea what the

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workplace is like today when it comes to these things.

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He knows what it's like to have a boss, he knows what it's like to have co-workers and

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to navigate office politics and that stuff, but the specific theological warfare that's

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being waged by Satan against the consciences of Christians in the workplace everywhere,

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pastors have no idea.

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And pastors are insulated from this stuff.

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And I mention Hans, he alluded to these statistics about homosexuals reproducing by raping

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children.

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When someone mentioned, when someone challenged him in the comments, he then backpedaled.

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And so I'm just speculating, you know, why are we seeing in those numbers?

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I'm not going to make this claim with certainty because I wasn't there, but it is my firm belief

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based on supposition.

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Hans got that and many of his other good recent plate takes on Twitter in the last two months

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or so from Price Chat.

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I think that Mark and Christian had been an influence on the things that he said online

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recently because there are things he's never said before and there are things that you

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and I say all the time, the things that are quote unquote, based, there are things that

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we get you fired in the workplace for saying them.

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He's recently been saying them, which is good because when we say when we get banned

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from Twitter, he has immunity and we get banned from Twitter by Christians for saying

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them.

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But I'm glad that someone is least saying them and they're being heard because they're

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vitally important.

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You want to talk a little bit about the Stephen Wolf book and the Thomas A. Cortefer?

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Sure.

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A little bit.

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Just before that, I want to mention that I think it was two or maybe three years ago at

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this point.

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I got into the exact same issue, the fact that homosexuals Sodomites reproduced by raping

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children with Dapani, Simeyoki, a Finnish pastor, Lutheran pastor.

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And I made a statement along the same lines what we've been saying and he pushed back against

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it because his initial reaction, his innate sense of what he needs to do is he wants to

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become the defense of impenetent sinners against a Christian.

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And I, of course, double down, but that's, that is an ongoing battle that we have been

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having all over the place.

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And pastors are often either not fighting on the correct side or simply just not fighting

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at all.

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But to, to move on to what's happened with a court and you'll have to fill in some

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of the details, I think you may have followed this more closely than I have.

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But essentially what happened is a co-host of Ars Politica made some comments, true comments

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by and large.

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Some of them may have been, it may be a little uncharitable, harshly worded, but true statements

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on a pseudonymous account.

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It came out that it was his account.

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He's now admitted that in a post and essentially Twitter and other social media set up a lynch

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mob to destroy his life, to get him fired, to have him lose his income.

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This is a man who has wife and one child or I think it's a couple, yeah, he may have

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a couple.

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Yeah.

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But their whole goal was just to utterly destroy this man for saying things that 50 years

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ago, 60, 70, however long, not very long ago, you could have said on TV and no one would

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have just been a normal thing to hear and a lynch mob of insane people, evil wicked people

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decided to destroy him, many of whom prefaced their comments with as a Christian and then

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went on to say the most vile things about someone who actually is a Christian in order to

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destroy him.

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Yep.

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And the reason that the R's Politica podcast connection is relevant is that his co-host,

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Thomas's co-host of R's Politica is Stephen Wolf, who wrote the recent book on Christian

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nationalism, which is a subject we had just a couple weeks ago, so they're trying this

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whole thing has been a proxy attack on Christian nationalism by evil people.

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They see Christian nationalism as a subject as so dangerous to the satanic work that the

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devil and all of his demons are successfully advancing in the world.

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They used a proxy attack of the guy his co-host, like Thomas Acord didn't, as far as I

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know, contribute much of anything to the book.

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He just happened to be a friend of Stephen Wolf, the author.

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He was so important to Satan to destroy anyone's ability to even think about Christian

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nationalism that they destroyed a man they cost him his livelihood right in the hall

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day season.

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And then when someone set up a give send to go, which is like go fund me except for Christians,

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set up a give send to go charity drive for him, Christians then waged a campaign against

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give send go to deny him receiving that money that was charity from other Christians who

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wanted to help his family, because he just lost his job, which is to say they actually

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want him to starve literally, yes, starve.

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That's murder.

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That is attempted murder.

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It is murder in the heart, which is then manifesting itself as murder of the person.

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And it's being done because the things that he says, you said, some of the things like

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I wouldn't have phrased it that way.

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The points that he was trying to get to on his anonymous account are mostly things we've

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already said, just in the few short podcasts we've had about Christian nationalism, about

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race, about the fact that a nation is a race.

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If you talk about nationalism at all, you were nested it, serially talking about racism,

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about kinism, about belief that blood and soil go together and that that is scriptural.

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So that's what's under attack here.

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It's ironic that the people who are so hysterical against nationalism, they're implicitly

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advocating empire, because that's what the United States is today.

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It's an empire.

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It is a multi-ethnic empire, not in the sense that we have colonies in other places, but

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it is an empire of nations under one political umbrella called the United States.

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If we were a nation, there would be one racial group under its own dominion.

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We also do kind of have colonies, but that's a discussion of other time.

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Yeah, it is.

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But again, if you go back and listen to what we said in the Christian nationalism episode,

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it was going further than they ever go on Mars Politico, and I think further than Thomas

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was comfortable going in his public life, but the things that he believed were grounded

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in Scripture because they were true, and he was a headmaster of a Christian school, and

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so it's understandable that he would have been afraid to tell the truth under his real

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name, not because he's, well, it's tragic the way he handled the situation.

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He did everything wrong, because what he did after Rod Draer and others doxed him and

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attributed his suitonomous comments to his public persona.

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Rather than saying, yes, I said those things, I stand by them.

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Maybe I should have said something a little bit differently, but the principle of what

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I said is absolutely true.

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He threw himself under the bus.

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He said, oh, I was, what I said was evil.

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I was in a dark place at that time, which is a horrible thing to say, because that seeds

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the entire frame to the left, where it goes back to this whole loser anonymous troll

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thing, to say that, oh, someone can only believe what he said about race if you're a loser,

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if you're in a dark place, if you maybe need to put under a psychiatric hold.

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Those are the only people who are going to possibly believe these things.

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That throws all of us under the bus, so I wish he just kept his mouth shut because he

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did more harm in the aftermath than by anything you ever actually said.

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But these are the consequences.

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We will need an entire episode really on tactics and frame and related topics, since quite

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frankly, Christians are terrible at it.

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And it's a problem.

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Actively bad.

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Yeah.

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The Christian impulse to apologize to confess is weaponized by Satan in these cases, where

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Satan gets us confessing the things that aren't sins against God.

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And as soon as you do that, you have lost God.

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You have made a false confession.

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You were offering sacrifices.

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Yes.

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It is a first commandment violation to offer sacrifices to other gods, which is exactly

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what all these confessions of false sins are.

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But again, this goes back to the central point of this episode that Thomas Acord was

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a public figure on our political.

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And he was already hated for some of the things he said.

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But when his co-host published a book about Christian nationalism, the things that Thomas

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had also said about Christian nationalism on Twitter under a pseudonym suddenly became

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a way to destroy it.

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And the things that they want to destroy are the things that are true.

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And this gets back to what we're talking about earlier with Hans making his comments.

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And Larry calling us cowards, me in particular, because Larry doesn't know my name.

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So he can't call my pastor and say mean things about me.

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He has to just call me a coward online, which is fine.

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That's his right.

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It's sin.

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But we all have the right to quote unquote to sin.

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The reason I said earlier that these pastors, I think, are hiding behind their collars is

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that there's an implicit presumption in the claims from men like Larry and Hans when

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they say, well, if you just used your name, you would proclaim the truth boldly.

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The implicit claim that they are making is that with their collars on, with their real

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names, they're making the boldest proclamation and that no one could possibly make a bolder

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proclamation than they are.

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And that's what's really playing out here.

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Because someone who's pseudonymous says something that is quote unquote further to the

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right than these men, rather than, as in the case of the Mrs. Lackey episode, rather

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than saying, well, yeah, it is actually a question whether girls should be teaching theology.

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What do they do?

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They punch right.

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Because suddenly there is a man who has emerged who is trying to be more godly than them.

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And there's nothing that pisses off a Christian faster than someone who seems to be less with

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sin than them.

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Now on one hand, there is the obvious scriptural warrant against claiming to be without sin,

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which none of us would do.

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I can start an entire podcast separately, spin off from this about what a terrible person

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I have been in my life.

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And all the sins I continue to struggle with, the fact that I'm here talking should never

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in anyone's mind imply that I think I'm free from any degree of sin.

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I know I'm terrible.

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I'm less terrible than I was a few years ago because I've begun to confront these things

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more directly.

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And I've begun to confront these things more directly by looking to scripture.

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And when I look to scripture, I find things like women to remain silent in the churches.

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I find things like women or to have their heads covered in church, which is another scandal

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that's brewing in Lutheran church.

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When men who are not pastors find these things that were, as you said, they were the norm

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before Vatican II.

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They were the norm in all of Christianity, not just Lutheranism, women covered their heads

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in the fifties.

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Women didn't vote.

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What a preposterous idea of voting in church.

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It's despicable.

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Yet, these things that are normative today that are defended vehemently are, they're an

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achronistic.

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They have no place in a church where these things have never had any any scriptural justification.

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So men read the Bible.

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They say, hey, pastor, this isn't what we're doing.

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What's the deal?

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Rather than the pastors having their, their conscience is convicted by the Holy Spirit,

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they punch right, they attack right, hard.

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They won't go after the alka pastors that they're buddy, buddy with on Twitter for having

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been ordained by women dressed up in drag as tranny pastors like Ryan Cordell, who's

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good friends with lots of buffalo Twitter.

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They won't go after them, even though they're an open or unrepentant sin.

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And they are in a synod that is going to hell collectively unless they become Christian

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again.

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No, they punch right.

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They go after the guy who says, hey, maybe we should be doing better than we are doing.

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Because for you to say that a Christian could possibly sin is the worst thing you can

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ever do to say that someone could possibly sin, these men take as evil.

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When it's not, it is Christian love.

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Is there a bad way to do it?

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Absolutely.

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They're terrible ways to say, man, I think you're sinning.

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We try to avoid those and sometimes it's a struggle to avoid them.

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But that gives no one the excuse not to make the clear confession of the faith that is

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commanded of every Christian.

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And if you can't confess boldly, shut your mouth.

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I don't fault someone who doesn't want to lose his job and his mortgage from saying nothing.

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But if you want to wait into these waters, you better say what God says.

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You better not attack men because they're doing a better job than you.

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And that's what we're facing today.

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And that's what the pseudonym and he fight is about is the men who are caught anonymous,

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the pseudonymous men who are speaking with the clarity of scripture that the pastors

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will not, they're putting them to shame.

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And I think these pastors know that they are shamed by the men who are speaking more clearly

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than they are.

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How many of these pastors who claim to be boldly confessing everything in scripture have

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women voting in their congregations?

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I would wager this probably the majority if not all of them.

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I don't know.

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You can find it on some of their websites.

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But that's an evil thing.

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That's an evil and anachronistic thing that has no place in the church.

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And yet it is normed today.

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And so these guys who are like, well, you and I, you should boldly confess like I am.

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And then they keep their mouth shut when this stuff is going on.

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Give me a break.

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That's not a bold confession.

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That's hiding behind your collar.

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Well, and how many are communing women who support abortion?

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Or men who support abortion or open communists?

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Or any of a number of extremely high profile, obvious explicit sins?

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How many pastors even address the issue of abortion?

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At most you may get a tangential throwaway line in a sermon that implies that maybe abortion

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isn't such a good idea.

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But how often are pastors actually addressing the things that they know will get them in

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hot water?

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Well, maybe there's something in scripture about hot or cold instead of lukewarm.

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And maybe these pastors should be concerned about what they are doing and are not doing.

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But like you said, they always punch right.

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And so is the hand of fellowship to the left and nothing but violence toward the right.

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Because they want to look good to themselves and to the world.

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They want to be friendly with the world and they don't want anyone who by contrast makes

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them look like, well, maybe you aren't actually that Christian.

01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:05.280
Maybe you aren't actually obeying what God says because it looks like this person over

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here is actually saying the same things we find in this book.

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And you are watering them down.

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I have to agree with the way you made the abortion point, but I think that there's a way to make

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it correct.

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My anecdotal experience in the LCMS has been that every congregation I've ever been a

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part of has been rabidly pro-life.

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They've been very active in protesting abortion and funding for care centers to help those

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who are considering abortions.

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But where I would absolutely agree with you, I think virtually every pastor falls down.

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It's called a woman who seeks an abortion, a murderer because the abortion is always

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about the doctor.

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It's always about saving the life of a baby.

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It's never about a mother, but it's never ever about a mother hiring a hip man to murder

01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:02.080
her child and whether or not there are any women in his congregation who have hired

01:07:02.080 --> 01:07:06.800
hip men, which is all an abortion, quote, unquote, doctor is to murder her child.

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Now, because women don't sin, right?

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Yeah.

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It's not chivalrous to say that they could possibly do anything yet.

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The point to make is that, and again, bold confession also has to be done with sanity.

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Everything that I say on this podcast is a sort of thing that I say in person to people

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when the situation arises, sometimes I keep my mouth shut because I'm not a spurg.

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I'm not insane.

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I know, based on the context and the people I'm dealing with, whether or not I can have

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a fruitful conversation.

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So if someone, if someone at my congregation is openly pro-feminist, am I going to go

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directly after the things that fly in the face of that?

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No.

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Not because it's not true.

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Not because I'm ashamed of my confession, but because I know that the only way to change

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a feminist heart is to go around to find some way to address those errors.

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And frankly, the way is to get back to headship, which yes, it necessarily implicates feminism,

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but it's not a direct attack.

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It becomes an attack when they realize what's going on, but by then you're having a scriptural

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conversation.

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You're not having a personal one of accusation.

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So that's the difference between personal conversations and ones that happen online.

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As we talked about in the teaching episode number one, there are one-to-one relationships

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and there are one-to-many relationships where you discuss these things.

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Posting on Twitter or on a podcast or elsewhere is inherently one-to-many.

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So I speak with my voice and say most everything that I think, as I can convey it to people

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who will be receptive.

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Do I say absolutely everything I think on this podcast?

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No.

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Because it wouldn't be fruitful.

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In private conversation, I'll have those conversations with individuals.

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But again, it's not a question of shame or that I think that I'm hiding my sin from God.

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I don't think those things are sinful, but there are things that would not be productive

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to say on a podcast.

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There are things that I believe that would get this podcast deleted from all the podcast

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listings.

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So I will skirt those lines, not out of shame or out of a fear of proclamation, but

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understanding if I get shut down, no one hears anything.

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So there's a time and a place to address things and I don't fall people for choosing their

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battles, but like I said, choosing your battles means keeping your mouth shut, which I will

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do.

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I'll keep my mouth shut when the situation calls for it.

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Choosing your battles is never about punching quote-unquote right.

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I think that we're discussing this a few days ago.

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I think the left right spectrum, we all agree, is just about worthless.

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But at the same time, you kind of know what somebody means.

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When someone's to the left, there's an implication there that you can clearly understand what's

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going on.

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I think that at the far left, you have absolute satanic debauchery.

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You have complete departure from everything that God wants.

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And the closer you get to the right, ultimately, the closer you get to God's will, which is

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not to say that what is on the quote-unquote far right is necessarily godly, because there

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are a lot of pagans in those places who are instinctively trying to seek out godly things

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without knowing God, and that's never going to work.

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They're always going to make a mess, which is why I initially began talking about my Christian

01:10:39.120 --> 01:10:41.320
faith on Twitter about five years ago.

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I rebranded from one account to another and started talking about my faith because I saw

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this very issue.

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I saw that the confusion of politics and theology was actively destructive and was doing harm

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in the world.

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And I saw these guys on the right who didn't have God, but they had godly instincts about

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family, about vocation, about justice that are true and correct and fit perfectly with

01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:11.960
in a Christian worldview.

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And I look and see pastors attacking them for saying those things.

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And all I can do is grasp my head and think, what are these men doing?

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Trying to drive these men away from the church who are seeking out God in the best way

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that anyone can, but the pastors attack them because they're talking about things that

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are more godly than anything the pastor is willing to uphold within his congregation.

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And that's what this fight is about.

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And someone is pseudonymous when they don't face the immediate destruction of their personal

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life, of their family, of their livelihood, of their physical safety, yes, you can say

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things.

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They can't be said by someone who has a gun pointed his head, no kidding.

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And so for pastors to call us cowards because we don't expose our names and faces is it

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is itself cowardly.

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And let them go attack the left, let them go attack the men who learn at the feet of

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Sodomites rather than rebuking them.

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And then we will have a conversation about who is closer to what God wants.

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I actually don't think I've seen a single pastor on Twitter incidentally attack the leftist

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who all use pseudonyms.

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It's always the right.

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And I think we would do well to look at scripture as always.

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I don't think that Christ called us to be as smart as sheep.

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He used a different term there for a good reason.

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Yeah, modern Christianity is all about the innocent of stubs and completely leaves out

01:12:55.320 --> 01:12:57.800
the wisest serpents part.

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And that's a tough saying like many of Jesus sayings because the serpent was the craftiest

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of all animals and Satan possessed one and caused this whole mess.

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But we are not to be stupid, we are not to be fools.

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Being foolish is damnable.

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It is a sin to be a fool.

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We'll send you to hell.

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There's clear about that.

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And I think that the modern conception of Christianity, even within Lutheranism, is

01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:32.480
to embrace foolishness.

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Now not directly, but it's always done for the sake of the gospel.

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Well, we need to be foolish so that these people can have more Jesus.

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Why are you trying to give Jesus to people who are unrepentant in their sin?

01:13:46.200 --> 01:13:56.960
The law gospel dichotomy is a valuable distinction, but it has to correctly admit that you don't

01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:00.680
give the gospel to people who deny the law.

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You may hold it out as a promise to those who will follow the law who understand the law.

01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:13.960
But to say to someone who's unrepentant in their sin, let me tell you about Jesus and

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how you're all forgiven, is incoherent because they're unrepentant.

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They're like, but I'm free from sin.

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You have to start with convicting the conscience before you can get to the absolution.

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And these pastors who flee from the pseudonymous are afraid of having their consciousness convicted.

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That's ultimately what they're fleeing from.

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They don't want to hear men speaking about Scripture in a way that might possibly

01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:43.040
convict their own words and actions.

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And that's not to say that we're sitting in judgment or that we are greater Christians

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by any measure.

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A pastor devotes his entire life to one of sacrifice on behalf of his sheep as a shepherd.

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I have tremendous respect for that.

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So as hard as you'll ever hear me be on pastors, it is precisely because of the importance

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of the pastorial office that we are so adamant that pastors must be faithful and must not

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make these errors.

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One of my friends pointed out this past week, the great irony that all these pastors whose

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salaries are paid by men who are anonymous online are telling them to become non-anonymous

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and get fired and lose their jobs.

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One of these pastors things is going to happen to their salaries when anybody gets fired.

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When the most faithful men in your congregations who understand the ontological nature of these

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fights, when they get fired by the Sodomite and their HR department for saying this

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Sodomy is damnable, who's going to pay your bills?

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How are you going to afford Christmas for your kids when everyone in your parish can't

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afford to donate anything?

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That's a real question.

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And that's what this fight comes down to is to say that the bold Christian confession

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has to be mindless is, it's exactly what Satan wants.

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Satan wants men to be as innocent as doves and as dumb as sheep.

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There's no wisdom permitted in the world to say in a seeking because as long as men one

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by one get sent into the meek grinder of Salilinski's personal destruction, no one will ever

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be able to join voices.

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And the fight over Christian nationalism and all these other things is fundamentally

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about keeping each of us atomized to make sure that there's no unity of voice, that there's

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no consistency, that we all one by one, you say you're weird little thing and then you get

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doxed and then you have to admit how terrible you were and what a dark place you were in

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your life when you said it.

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And then everyone says all shocks, that's too bad.

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And you get your gifts and go canceled and then you're destroyed for life.

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One by one they want us destroyed, they want us isolated and kept apart.

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And the whole point of Christian nationalism, the whole point of the push towards overt Christian

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unity in the subjection to God is to say, hey, if all of us sheep are together and heard,

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the wolves can't pick us off, we get picked off when we're separated from the herd.

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That's why the lost sheep was such a big deal because that one sheep of the 99 was out

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alone.

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And the 99 were safe, they were together.

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They were still dumb as sheep, but they had strength in numbers because there was unity

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of just the mass of them.

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It was the one sheep who was in danger because he was off alone fending for himself.

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And that's what Satan's trying to do to everyone, pick us off, destroy us, send examples

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so that no one else will ever stray.

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Only in this case, the straying is not from Christianity, but it's straying from our

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churches into Christianity.

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And that's the fight that this is about.

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So as we wrap this episode up, I want to make a shocking reveal to won't really be a

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shocked anyone who's actually paid close attention to previous episodes.

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But this is also an episode about headship as pretty much all of them have been.

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The way that headship interacts with pseudonymity versus knowing a man's name points us back

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to Scripture.

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When we look at the sixth day of creation in Genesis 2 where Adam was created, let me just

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read this briefly.

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Then the Lord God said, it is not good that the man should be alone.

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I will make him a helper fit for him.

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Now out of the ground, the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of

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the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them.

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And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.

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The man gave names to the livestock and to the birds of the heavens and every beast of

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the field.

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But for Adam, there was not found a helper fit for him.

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So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man.

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And while he slept, took one of his ribs and closed up his place with flesh.

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And the rib that the Lord God had taken from the man, he made into a woman and brought

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her to the man, then the man said, this at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.

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She shall be called woman because she was taken out of man.

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Now note that in both cases there for all the animals and then for the woman who was

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created, Adam as the designative head of creation under God had authority over the creatures

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and over eve by virtue.

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And as a part of his headship, that included naming them.

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Now that's very significant because to have a name is to have some form of authority over

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it.

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You know, when you're talking to someone, one of the first things you do is you want to

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ask their name.

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And that's sort of the natural inclination online except that in a place where pseudonymity

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is completely normative, it kind of shifts gears.

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And so when pastors are saying, I need to know your real name.

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They're not simply as, as Corey mentioned earlier, they're not simply trying to clarify.

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They're attempting to assert authority over you.

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And we can see this made clear at the other end of the scripture in Revelation 19.

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Then I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse.

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The one sitting on it was, is called faithful and true.

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And in righteousness he judges and makes war.

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His eyes are like a flame of fire and on his head or many diadams.

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And he has a name written that no one knows but himself.

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Now, sometimes in the past Christians have sort of fixated on this secret name of God.

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It's not particularly the New Testament.

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The implication for us that there is a name of God that is not known to us is one of

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authority.

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God has not given us that name to call him by because it is his own.

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And he has authority because only he knows it.

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As exactly what, though, you're a pseudonymous coward thing comes down to.

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Is it pastors don't know our name so they don't have authority over us.

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And they seek to reveal that which is hidden from them as an act of dominance.

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So when we go back to Larry Bean and the other pastor on Goddastine said John Bussman related

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to synodemity, I just want to quote Larry again.

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He accused me and my friends of quote, approaching theology with a mindset of a cowering keyboard

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warrior using a pseudonym.

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Now this is particularly rich coming from Larry to say that you're a coward if you don't

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use your real name.

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Everybody implying that he who uses his real name has the strength and the courage that

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is denied to those who do not use the real name.

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This is funny because I know for a fact that Larry Bean is well aware of the demon that

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we mentioned last week.

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Rick McCafferty is a pulpit, it is a Lutheran pastor in our own pulpits.

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He is an open and unrepentant universalist.

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And Larry knows this, Larry's not about this for many months.

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Now Larry has never said anything about it on his blog.

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He's never said anything about Goddastine.

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He has multiple blogs.

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I couldn't find him saying anything anywhere.

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I don't care if he wrote a letter to Rick McCafferty's beat deep here or not, who by the

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way endorses this stuff because he put it on the district website.

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Larry is the coward here because Larry, rather than punching to his own level, going after

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pastors and pulpits that he shares by virtue of also being in the synod, there's a man

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who's a universalist who's going to hell and is going to take his sheep with him.

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Larry knows, Larry is silent.

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He's completely silent.

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I am naming Rick McCafferty and other anons have gone after him as well because no pastors

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will do it.

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Now tell me who's the coward.

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I'm using a pseudonym, but I'm naming a real man.

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Is that cowardly?

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No.

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The point is the church.

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The point is what's happening in the church.

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The reason that these men like Larry are pissed off that there are synonymous men addressing

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these issues is that the men like Larry are too afraid to do it because you know what?

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The Missouri Synod amended its bylaws to make it a corporate crime for a pastor to publicly

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denounce another pastor's faithlessness.

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That's evil.

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That is absolutely evil.

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This is an evil synod today that would say that a pastor is enjoined from addressing

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the error of others publicly.

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That has never happened in the history of theology.

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It's wound up in false interpretations of the 8th Commandment and Matthew 18 that have

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been roundly refuted for a long time.

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Goddastines that self-published something that I transcribed a number a month ago from

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Professor Markcord, who's sainted now, who clearly laid out that these claims that if

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a pastor or anyone else does something theological and you don't like it because it's not scriptural,

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you must approach them in private to deal with it.

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That's nonsense.

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It's not scriptural.

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It's not from God.

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What is is its camouflage and its cover for evil men to continue doing their evil things.

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So Corey, you and I are addressing these things publicly because they are public matters.

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Rick McCafferty is a public universalist and Larry Bean is a public coward for not naming

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him.

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Rather, he punches down.

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Ironically, the very men who are further to the right than him who are pseudonymous,

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who defend him when other pastors like Matt Stannock and Jeremy Stanky and some of these

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other vipers slander him for being a Confederate is Osad somehow that's a bad thing.

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When Larry respects his ancestors from the south, he's obeying the 4th Commandment, there's

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nothing evil about that.

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But just like these guys attack Christian nationalism, they attack all these other things

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in the attack racism.

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It is fundamentally all an attack on the church.

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So for Larry to be attacking a non's quote unquote, he's attacking the only guys in the

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Senate who actually have his back.

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And I have his back too.

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I really like Larry.

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I respect him a lot.

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By calling him out here, I'm not disavowing him or throwing under the bus.

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I'm simply pointing out that this misconstrual of pseudonymity as some vice or some weakness

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is nonsense.

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And it's punching to the right and it's attacking the very men who were the, frankly,

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the only ones who were actually fighting for what remains of the Senate's faithfulness.

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Goddastines is a great place and I like what they do, but they're fighting for the liturgy.

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That fight is in the revier mirror.

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We're fighting now for the first article.

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For whether or not we even believe in God anymore.

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That's what we're losing control of.

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I love the liturgy, but it's not protecting us from these universalists anymore than

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the Constitution has protected this country from people subverting it because when you

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take something like the liturgy or the Constitution, you can use it as cover for whatever you

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want to do.

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And addressing that is something that the Anons are doing, that the pseudonymists are doing.

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And I welcome the support of other pastors to get out in front of these things.

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Like we said on the very first episode, Cory and I are the stones who are crying out because

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these men, these pastors who are not anonymous are failing to do so.

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We would have nothing to say if these pastors who hate pseudonymity would just do their

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damn jobs.

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And if they think it's their job to punch down and to attack the pseudonymous men who

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are addressing theology, then they certainly must confess that it's their job to address

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universalists and vipers in their own pulpits.

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So let's see that happen.