Transcript: Episode 0031

“The Timeline of Recriminations”

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00:00:00 – 00:00:10:	Don't worry.

00:00:10 – 00:00:19:	Don't worry.

00:00:19 – 00:00:41:	Welcome to the Stone Choir podcast, I am Corey J. Mahler.

00:00:41 – 00:00:43:	And I'm woe.

00:00:43 – 00:00:47:	If Inside Baseball drama sounds like it's not your cup of tea, you can stop listening

00:00:47 – 00:00:48:	right now.

00:00:48 – 00:00:51:	You won't miss out on anything because this is not an episode where we're really going

00:00:51 – 00:00:54:	to be referring to in the future.

00:00:54 – 00:00:59:	There are a number of episodes that this is effectively a continuation of, kind of a culmination

00:00:59 – 00:01:00:	in some way.

00:01:00 – 00:01:04:	So we will link those in the show notes and we'll mention them as we go along.

00:01:04 – 00:01:10:	One other warning as we get started, this episode is going to seem kind of rambling

00:01:10 – 00:01:12:	in content.

00:01:12 – 00:01:15:	The reason for that is that we're going to be doing everything in order.

00:01:15 – 00:01:20:	We basically have assembled a timeline of events as they relate to Synod's attacks

00:01:20 – 00:01:22:	on layman.

00:01:22 – 00:01:27:	And those are, until you have the whole picture, it just kind of seems like, what does this

00:01:27 – 00:01:29:	have to do with each other?

00:01:29 – 00:01:33:	There are things that most of these things we knew as they were happening, that they

00:01:33 – 00:01:34:	were happening.

00:01:34 – 00:01:37:	There are some things we didn't know at the time and then we subsequently discovered.

00:01:37 – 00:01:42:	So in this timeline as we deliver it, we're just going to tell you point by point everything

00:01:42 – 00:01:43:	that's happened.

00:01:43 – 00:01:47:	As a result, it's probably going to seem a little confusing until we get to the end.

00:01:47 – 00:01:53:	So if you want to know what has been happening to the four men who were on the turnip stream

00:01:53 – 00:01:59:	dealing with the large cataclysm, this is for the time being the most canonical source

00:01:59 – 00:02:03:	of those things for Ryan's threads and some of the videos and some of the articles we're

00:02:03 – 00:02:04:	going to mention.

00:02:04 – 00:02:08:	The show notes are going to be very rich in terms of pointing to those resources.

00:02:08 – 00:02:11:	So we're not going to repeat a bunch of stuff that's been said elsewhere.

00:02:11 – 00:02:16:	If you have been following the story, we're not going to bore you too much with repeating

00:02:16 – 00:02:18:	those details because they're already well laid out.

00:02:18 – 00:02:21:	So we will incorporate those by reference as we go along.

00:02:21 – 00:02:25:	So again, feel free to just tune out right now if that's not something you have any

00:02:25 – 00:02:27:	interest in hearing.

00:02:27 – 00:02:31:	If on the other hand you want to hear what the Synod has been doing and at the end we'll

00:02:31 – 00:02:35:	be talking briefly just about some things that we can do in response as laymen who are

00:02:35 – 00:02:38:	concerned about the state of these things.

00:02:38 – 00:02:41:	So to begin with, we're going to zoom back to the middle of last year, nearly a year

00:02:41 – 00:02:42:	ago today.

00:02:42 – 00:02:49:	Before I mention the first item in this timeline, I want to point out that for those who may

00:02:49 – 00:02:56:	have the wrong understanding, have taken away the wrong implication from what Woe just said,

00:02:56 – 00:03:02:	this is inside baseball insofar as it involves what is happening to the church.

00:03:02 – 00:03:07:	This is not inside baseball specifically insofar as it pertains to what is happening to the

00:03:07 – 00:03:14:	LCMS because it's the LCMS and the AALC, as you will see soon enough today.

00:03:14 – 00:03:18:	It will be your church tomorrow, or maybe it was your church 10 years ago.

00:03:18 – 00:03:22:	This is something that Satan is doing to all of the churches.

00:03:22 – 00:03:26:	So it's inside baseball for the church, not specifically for the LCMS.

00:03:26 – 00:03:31:	This is going to be largely for the LCMS because the two of us are Lutheran.

00:03:31 – 00:03:38:	So starting with June, the 1st of June of 2022.

00:03:38 – 00:03:44:	My pastor received a complaint letter from three other pastors, Eric Johnson, Ben Meyer,

00:03:44 – 00:03:46:	and Daniel Ross.

00:03:46 – 00:03:51:	The letter itself I scanned, it is available, it'll be linked to in the show notes, it's

00:03:51 – 00:03:56:	linked to on my website, it was linked to on Twitter as well.

00:03:57 – 00:04:04:	This is sort of what kicked off some of this because the thrust of their complaint is that

00:04:04 – 00:04:12:	they didn't believe I was treating them appropriately on Twitter as they are pastors.

00:04:12 – 00:04:16:	The problem with their argument is that what I was doing was correcting their false doctrine

00:04:16 – 00:04:24:	because all three of these men constantly spout false doctrine on Twitter.

00:04:24 – 00:04:28:	And it's a real problem that we have with pastors across the spectrum in various different

00:04:28 – 00:04:30:	denominations, but that's how this started out.

00:04:30 – 00:04:37:	And so they sent the complaint letter, I met with my pastor and an elder and nothing came

00:04:37 – 00:04:38:	of it.

00:04:38 – 00:04:44:	I talked to them, I was not placed under discipline, and that was the end of that.

00:04:44 – 00:04:49:	Which made of course these three men very unhappy, and undoubtedly also those who are

00:04:49 – 00:04:52:	over them in the church very unhappy.

00:04:52 – 00:04:55:	And so we'll move forward a month from there.

00:04:55 – 00:05:02:	This is part of what really got things going because this next event is the one that caused

00:05:02 – 00:05:06:	many of us to start looking more deeply into these matters.

00:05:06 – 00:05:12:	And that was the LCMS Youth Gathering in Houston, that's the National Youth Gathering.

00:05:12 – 00:05:16:	And the reason that we started looking into this, the date is the 1st of July.

00:05:16 – 00:05:22:	The reason we started looking into this is that the organization calling itself Lutherans

00:05:22 – 00:05:28:	for racial justice played an outsized role in this youth gathering.

00:05:28 – 00:05:35:	And so you have this Marxist organization agitating along racial lines and others.

00:05:35 – 00:05:40:	Of course, you can go back and listen to our episode on Marxism and you'll understand

00:05:40 – 00:05:42:	what they were doing.

00:05:42 – 00:05:47:	But you have them taking over the youth gathering and the LCMS.

00:05:47 – 00:05:50:	And so they're indoctrinating the next generation in Marxist thinking.

00:05:50 – 00:05:52:	That is exactly what they're doing because that is how Marxists work.

00:05:52 – 00:05:56:	It is a subversion of an existing institution.

00:05:56 – 00:05:58:	And so we notice that is what is happening.

00:05:58 – 00:06:06:	And we have individuals who are involved in this will link to the bios for the men who

00:06:06 – 00:06:09:	claim to have started this.

00:06:09 – 00:06:15:	But you have Nunez as one of them, you have, I've forgotten the name of the pastor, remember

00:06:15 – 00:06:16:	his name?

00:06:16 – 00:06:18:	I don't recall off the top of my head.

00:06:18 – 00:06:20:	I'll link to it.

00:06:20 – 00:06:26:	But then you also have Salzburg, who is a literal pornographer from California, who

00:06:26 – 00:06:31:	is the co-founder of this organization.

00:06:31 – 00:06:34:	And so we started digging from there and this ties into other things.

00:06:34 – 00:06:39:	And you'll notice there are just tentacles throughout because that is how Satan works.

00:06:39 – 00:06:40:	That's how this worked.

00:06:40 – 00:06:46:	You have individuals who are in various places and start indoctrinating children here, start

00:06:46 – 00:06:49:	changing curriculum there.

00:06:49 – 00:06:54:	And that is how we started looking into these issues more deeply.

00:06:54 – 00:06:59:	And if you're not familiar with the national youth gathering, it is a large production.

00:06:59 – 00:07:04:	To give you a sense of the scale, the LCMS spent $9 million on this thing.

00:07:04 – 00:07:10:	It was a third of the annual budget last year spent specifically on getting all the kids

00:07:10 – 00:07:12:	together for a week.

00:07:12 – 00:07:14:	And it's always been known as kind of the lib thing.

00:07:14 – 00:07:19:	It's always been an ultra-lib youth event.

00:07:19 – 00:07:23:	So much so that there's actually a competing event called Higher Things that was set up

00:07:23 – 00:07:28:	without Senate oversight to be a confessional competitor to it.

00:07:28 – 00:07:32:	Unfortunately, they have gone down the same path because they all live in the same world.

00:07:32 – 00:07:36:	And so all these pastors, even when they're trying to be so-called confessional, they're

00:07:36 – 00:07:39:	still adopting the world's frame on all these issues.

00:07:39 – 00:07:45:	So Lutherans for Racial Justice first popped up about four weeks after George Floyd's suicide

00:07:45 – 00:07:47:	three years ago now.

00:07:47 – 00:07:53:	And so they are themselves an outgrowth of the Black Caucus within the Missouri Senate.

00:07:53 – 00:07:56:	So it's many of the same pastors in the Black Caucus.

00:07:56 – 00:08:02:	They rebranded some of their operations, they actually share some of the same legal entities.

00:08:02 – 00:08:07:	They're specifically now focusing on what they call racial justice inside the LCMS.

00:08:07 – 00:08:14:	And so the personalities are crucial because when we first started looking at it a year

00:08:14 – 00:08:21:	ago, we thought, wow, these racial agitators are taking things over.

00:08:21 – 00:08:24:	As all of the things we're subsequently going to describe here unfolded, we realized in

00:08:24 – 00:08:31:	retrospect Matt Harrison handed the reins to these racial agitators a year ago.

00:08:31 – 00:08:34:	Lutherans for Racial Justice has worked hand in hand with him.

00:08:34 – 00:08:40:	Now he's more conservative publicly than them, but it's a Mott and Bailey play where

00:08:40 – 00:08:46:	L4RJ will go further and then the nice centrist guys can pretend, oh, well, we don't want

00:08:46 – 00:08:49:	to be like Kendi, ex-Abraham, whatever.

00:08:49 – 00:08:51:	We want to be the conservatives.

00:08:51 – 00:08:53:	But then they keep saying exactly the same things.

00:08:53 – 00:08:58:	And oh, by the way, it's all targeted at white men like us who are saying, hey, let's believe

00:08:58 – 00:08:59:	the Bible.

00:08:59 – 00:09:03:	And that's probably going to look exactly like what it looked like 150 years ago.

00:09:03 – 00:09:09:	That is why the Missouri Senate is freaking out today about laymen talking when they have

00:09:09 – 00:09:14:	these $9 million budgets and then we say, oh, you know what, this looks like a pile

00:09:14 – 00:09:15:	of garbage.

00:09:15 – 00:09:16:	What are you doing?

00:09:16 – 00:09:18:	That interrupts their plans.

00:09:18 – 00:09:23:	I want to make sure that everyone has the names of those involved in this.

00:09:23 – 00:09:28:	And so I am going to go back over a handful of names here just so people can start to

00:09:28 – 00:09:31:	sort of mentally map what is going on here.

00:09:31 – 00:09:36:	And New York is going to come up an outsized number of times.

00:09:36 – 00:09:38:	And so we'll start with Eric Johnson.

00:09:38 – 00:09:43:	Eric Johnson is an SMP pastor in New York.

00:09:43 – 00:09:47:	I think he's still at Holy Trinity in Yonkers.

00:09:47 – 00:09:48:	I'm not exactly sure.

00:09:48 – 00:09:51:	He's actually, he's finishing him his MDiv.

00:09:51 – 00:09:52:	So he's in St. Louis now.

00:09:52 – 00:09:53:	He's not a pastor.

00:09:53 – 00:09:54:	Oh, is he?

00:09:54 – 00:09:55:	Okay.

00:09:55 – 00:09:56:	Okay.

00:09:56 – 00:09:57:	He's finishing that up.

00:09:57 – 00:09:58:	That's where he's what?

00:09:58 – 00:10:00:	I don't know if he'll go back there, but New York plays an outsized role in this.

00:10:00 – 00:10:02:	He was originally from New York.

00:10:02 – 00:10:05:	You can find his installation pictures and such.

00:10:05 – 00:10:12:	Daniel Ross is a pastor in Oklahoma, which for those who've been paying attention, you

00:10:12 – 00:10:16:	know that Ryan Turnip seed also Oklahoma.

00:10:16 – 00:10:20:	And then there is Ben Meyer, who is a pastor in Ohio.

00:10:20 – 00:10:24:	And so you'll note that we have these disparate pastors who came together and wrote a letter

00:10:24 – 00:10:26:	against me.

00:10:26 – 00:10:31:	We're going to see this sort of collusion more and more as we go on from here.

00:10:31 – 00:10:38:	Before you go on, Ben Meyer is crucially important because he is best friends with Jordan Cooper.

00:10:38 – 00:10:40:	Jordan Cooper is also AALC.

00:10:40 – 00:10:44:	Jordan Cooper has tangled with Corey in the past.

00:10:44 – 00:10:49:	Jordan Cooper, the AALC and Antifa have ties historically before we get to the things that

00:10:49 – 00:10:51:	have happened here.

00:10:51 – 00:10:58:	So when Ben Meyer shows up right off the bat, coming after Corey, that is not disconnected

00:10:58 – 00:11:01:	from his close personal friendship with Jordan.

00:11:01 – 00:11:04:	And when I say close personal friendship, he named his kid after him.

00:11:04 – 00:11:08:	So they're longtime friends, fine, whatever, you can be friends with people.

00:11:08 – 00:11:11:	Unless it's Corey and me, you're not allowed to be friends with us or you will go to hell.

00:11:11 – 00:11:14:	That's what the Missouri Synod has said and we'll get into that.

00:11:14 – 00:11:20:	That's pretty much the thrust of most of this conversation, most of these details, but everybody

00:11:20 – 00:11:24:	else gets to have friends as long as they're not us.

00:11:24 – 00:11:29:	And part of the reason that Jordan Cooper hates me in particular, but a number of others

00:11:29 – 00:11:34:	as well, one, he doesn't like to be challenged by anyone.

00:11:34 – 00:11:40:	And well, unfortunately for him, he routinely posts things that are just outright false.

00:11:40 – 00:11:47:	He's been called an open heretic by Kilcrease, who is a member of the CTCR, despite the fact

00:11:47 – 00:11:50:	that the LCMS and the ALC are in alter and pulpit fellowship.

00:11:50 – 00:11:55:	We have the supposed chief theologian, one of the chief theologians of the LCMS calling

00:11:55 – 00:11:59:	the chief theologian of the ALC an open heretic.

00:11:59 – 00:12:02:	And Kilcrease did apologize on Facebook.

00:12:02 – 00:12:07:	He got slapped on the wrist for that because pastors can't say bad things about other pastors,

00:12:07 – 00:12:11:	but laymen are absolutely fair game.

00:12:11 – 00:12:12:	Yes.

00:12:12 – 00:12:17:	And so part of the reason, the another part of the reason that Jordan Cooper does not

00:12:17 – 00:12:25:	like me is that I helped defend super Lutheran when he was being brought up basically for

00:12:25 – 00:12:32:	excommunication for heresy charges, more or less by the ALC.

00:12:32 – 00:12:36:	And that was brought, those charges were brought by Cooper.

00:12:36 – 00:12:39:	I did get them to admit that in the hearing.

00:12:39 – 00:12:41:	They didn't want to.

00:12:41 – 00:12:46:	This was, again, one of those, not as bad as some of the struggle sessions have been

00:12:46 – 00:12:51:	since then with the LCMS, but it was a sort of struggle session in which it was very

00:12:51 – 00:12:56:	nebulous who was charging, but I did get the tribunal to force the prosecution to admit

00:12:56 – 00:12:57:	that bit.

00:12:57 – 00:13:00:	So we do know that Jordan Cooper was the one who pushed for those charges.

00:13:00 – 00:13:01:	And again, it's because-

00:13:01 – 00:13:04:	And I believe that he's since publicly denied that.

00:13:04 – 00:13:05:	He has.

00:13:05 – 00:13:08:	I believe he's publicly denied that as well, despite the fact that there were half a dozen

00:13:08 – 00:13:11:	witnesses to that testimony from their side.

00:13:11 – 00:13:13:	Yes.

00:13:13 – 00:13:17:	The panel was seven men, there were two prosecutors, there was a recorder, and then there were

00:13:17 – 00:13:23:	three of us, four on the other side, depending on what part of the so-called trial.

00:13:23 – 00:13:27:	There were plenty of men in the room who heard exactly what was going on.

00:13:27 – 00:13:28:	But yes, he's denied that.

00:13:28 – 00:13:31:	They haven't released the recording, and they probably never will, assuming they even

00:13:31 – 00:13:34:	kept the thing.

00:13:34 – 00:13:38:	So that's the basic outline of this, and then the last two men that I wanted to mention

00:13:38 – 00:13:42:	to make sure people have the names here, I mentioned Joshua Salzburg, who is the pornographer

00:13:42 – 00:13:51:	from Culver City, so from Southern California, and then Matthew Gonzalez is a pastor in New

00:13:51 – 00:13:57:	York, the Bronx in this case, who is the other founder, the co-founder of Lutherans

00:13:57 – 00:14:01:	for Racial Justice, at least insofar as they mention it.

00:14:01 – 00:14:03:	I mentioned Nunez already, John Nunez.

00:14:03 – 00:14:11:	He is a frequent speaker on various things, Lutheran supposedly, and he is also involved

00:14:11 – 00:14:15:	in this, although his involvement is not as explicitly mentioned on their website and

00:14:15 – 00:14:22:	their materials, but he constantly comments on these racial grievance issues.

00:14:22 – 00:14:31:	And so moving on from there to October, October 19th, still 2022, obviously, we released the

00:14:31 – 00:14:34:	first episode of Stone Choir.

00:14:34 – 00:14:38:	That was, of course, our episode on headship teaching and women in the church, and part

00:14:38 – 00:14:42:	of the reason that we address that issue, well, one, it's an important issue and no

00:14:42 – 00:14:48:	one was really addressing it, and so it needs to be addressed, a constant theme on this podcast.

00:14:48 – 00:14:55:	But another part of it is that CPH had been and still is publishing theology written by

00:14:55 – 00:15:03:	women, some of it directed toward pastors, so we have women who are forbidden to speak

00:15:03 – 00:15:09:	in the church, forbidden to teach in the church, teaching pastors, and they try to get around

00:15:09 – 00:15:15:	this, of course, by saying, well, they're not teaching in the church, but go back and

00:15:15 – 00:15:16:	listen to the episode.

00:15:16 – 00:15:18:	That's not what scripture says.

00:15:18 – 00:15:26:	And so part of the reason we did that episode was to push back against this creeping heresy.

00:15:26 – 00:15:29:	You have women teaching pastors.

00:15:29 – 00:15:32:	Not only are they teaching in the church, they're teaching the men who are supposed

00:15:32 – 00:15:35:	to be doing the teaching in the church.

00:15:35 – 00:15:36:	It's abhorrent.

00:15:36 – 00:15:43:	It's an abomination, and yet it's happening in a supposedly conservative Lutheran synod.

00:15:43 – 00:15:48:	And the timing is important because we did that episode on the 19th of October.

00:15:48 – 00:15:52:	We had intended originally to begin Stone Choir on Reformation Day just because it seemed

00:15:52 – 00:15:54:	like a suitable number for this.

00:15:54 – 00:16:01:	But when Mrs. Jonathan Lacky shipped her book through CPH in early to mid-October, this

00:16:01 – 00:16:06:	subject blew up, and our group of friends was at the forefront of that.

00:16:06 – 00:16:11:	And so this book is going to the book that was part of the subject of the very first

00:16:11 – 00:16:17:	episode of Stone Choir comes up later on as one of the accusations against one of the

00:16:17 – 00:16:21:	men involved that he had spoken out against her book.

00:16:21 – 00:16:26:	And so there was lies told about him by his own pastor to his face in reference to the

00:16:26 – 00:16:28:	book that was at the beginning of this.

00:16:28 – 00:16:33:	So the reason we're laying all this groundwork before we get to the beginning of this year

00:16:33 – 00:16:38:	when the large catechism came out, which is the next thing, is that these pieces have

00:16:38 – 00:16:43:	been moving for a while, including Jordan Cooper's hatred of Corey and of me personally.

00:16:43 – 00:16:47:	Jordan Cooper, when he docked Super Lutheran, he thought that he was doxing me.

00:16:47 – 00:16:52:	When he got him defrocked and expelled from his own church, he thought that Super Lutheran

00:16:52 – 00:16:53:	was me on Twitter.

00:16:53 – 00:16:57:	And so it was directly an attack against me because I'd been going after him.

00:16:57 – 00:17:04:	And while I wish that I had not been the precipitate for that attack, Jordan is evil.

00:17:04 – 00:17:09:	And so when I said he was evil and he responded with more evil, what are good men supposed

00:17:09 – 00:17:11:	to do in these situations?

00:17:11 – 00:17:14:	And that's fundamentally what all of this is about.

00:17:14 – 00:17:21:	What are good men supposed to do when their own pastors are being evil?

00:17:21 – 00:17:25:	We called it Stone Choir because all we can do is cry out.

00:17:25 – 00:17:32:	We don't have a vocation to be either cheerleaders or crossing guards.

00:17:32 – 00:17:34:	We're not hall monitors.

00:17:34 – 00:17:39:	We're laymen who know the Bible well enough to say, that doesn't sound like what God said.

00:17:39 – 00:17:40:	Let's go look.

00:17:40 – 00:17:43:	And so that will be the recurring theme through all of this.

00:17:43 – 00:17:46:	Laymen say, hey, this doesn't look like scripture.

00:17:46 – 00:17:53:	And then pastors respond with malevolence, not disagreement, not, well, that's your opinion.

00:17:53 – 00:17:56:	Not I think that we should do this a different way in the church.

00:17:56 – 00:17:57:	Absolute malevolence.

00:17:57 – 00:18:01:	That's the overarching theme of what goes on behind the scenes.

00:18:01 – 00:18:05:	So the reason for doing this episode today and laying out this somewhat convoluted timeline

00:18:05 – 00:18:11:	is that as we put all these pieces together, it will become more and more clear that the

00:18:11 – 00:18:16:	malevolence is the dominating factor of those who oppose us.

00:18:16 – 00:18:18:	We could be right or wrong.

00:18:18 – 00:18:20:	We're just two random guys.

00:18:20 – 00:18:26:	Maybe we're full of crap, but everything that has been done to and against us is evil.

00:18:26 – 00:18:28:	It's plainly evil.

00:18:28 – 00:18:32:	It's gotten so bad that even people who publicly disagree with us and don't like us, some of

00:18:32 – 00:18:37:	them block us on Twitter, they think we're terrible people, they even admit that what

00:18:37 – 00:18:39:	the Synod has been doing is evil.

00:18:39 – 00:18:40:	And they don't know the half of this.

00:18:40 – 00:18:42:	They know some of the details, they don't know all of it.

00:18:42 – 00:18:44:	The reason we're doing this episode is to lay it all out.

00:18:44 – 00:18:46:	And so everyone will have the facts.

00:18:46 – 00:18:50:	You think what you're going to think about it, but we're going to give you point by

00:18:50 – 00:18:53:	point every detail of what's happened.

00:18:53 – 00:18:58:	And I will go ahead and commit myself to producing a public version of this timeline.

00:18:58 – 00:19:00:	Obviously, we're looking at our notes here.

00:19:00 – 00:19:02:	We have the timeline in front of us.

00:19:02 – 00:19:07:	I'll produce a public version of this that will be a little easier to follow.

00:19:07 – 00:19:08:	I don't know that it'll come out with the episode.

00:19:08 – 00:19:11:	It may take me a little longer than that to get it done because I do have to edit the

00:19:11 – 00:19:17:	episode after we record, but I will eventually get that done so people have something they

00:19:17 – 00:19:21:	can actually see and follow a little more clearly.

00:19:21 – 00:19:29:	And so from there, we move on to the beginning of this year, and that is the 20th of January.

00:19:29 – 00:19:35:	We received one of the earliest copies of the annotated large catechism, the large catechism

00:19:35 – 00:19:40:	whichever term you want to use for this horrible thing.

00:19:40 – 00:19:45:	And so we started going through it because that's what you do and Synod publishes something

00:19:45 – 00:19:51:	that is very clearly meant to be a doctrinal standard, despite the fact that they will

00:19:51 – 00:19:53:	try to disclaim that.

00:19:53 – 00:19:58:	This is a doctrinal standard for the LCMS because pastors are not going to be allowed

00:19:58 – 00:20:01:	to publicly disagree with this.

00:20:01 – 00:20:04:	Pastors are going to be pushed to use this in their congregations.

00:20:04 – 00:20:08:	Pastors are going to use this to teach their congregants.

00:20:08 – 00:20:12:	This is the doctrine of the LCMS.

00:20:12 – 00:20:19:	This is what Matt Harrison and the CTCR and various others are pushing into the pulpits

00:20:20 – 00:20:24:	and into the congregations and therefore into your homes.

00:20:24 – 00:20:29:	And so we started reading through this collection of essays and we found Marxism throughout

00:20:29 – 00:20:31:	the entire thing.

00:20:31 – 00:20:34:	We found racial grievances.

00:20:34 – 00:20:40:	We found minimization of pedophilia, really a apology for pedophilia.

00:20:40 – 00:20:46:	We found all sorts of the sorts of problems that you would expect from say a large university

00:20:46 – 00:20:53:	or a large corporation with a big program, a big dye program, diversity, inclusion and

00:20:53 – 00:20:55:	equity.

00:20:55 – 00:21:00:	That's what we found in these essays and so we started critiquing them.

00:21:00 – 00:21:05:	We started going through and pointing out the problems and it of course took a little

00:21:05 – 00:21:08:	while because this is a fairly substantial book.

00:21:08 – 00:21:11:	It takes a while to go through and read these things.

00:21:11 – 00:21:17:	However, it is abundantly clear on the face of many of these essays what they are and that

00:21:17 – 00:21:21:	they do not belong in this book.

00:21:21 – 00:21:23:	Not only because of the content.

00:21:23 – 00:21:26:	You don't even need to get to the content in some cases.

00:21:26 – 00:21:28:	You can look at the names of the authors.

00:21:28 – 00:21:32:	There are men who are decidedly not Orthodox Lutheran.

00:21:32 – 00:21:36:	There are men who are heretics writing for this.

00:21:36 – 00:21:39:	There are essays written by Elka in this thing.

00:21:39 – 00:21:44:	They're essays written by girls, which was the very first thing that we dealt with.

00:21:44 – 00:21:48:	I think one of the tricks has been played by the other side is that they will say,

00:21:48 – 00:21:50:	oh, well, they're just essays.

00:21:50 – 00:21:54:	It's a modern contemporary commentary on these issues.

00:21:54 – 00:21:57:	Those aren't doctrinally blinding.

00:21:57 – 00:22:02:	A month later, Matt Harrison proved what a lie that was by something that he put out

00:22:02 – 00:22:07:	where he cited the small catechism that he had published in 2017 with exactly the same

00:22:07 – 00:22:09:	kind of annotations.

00:22:09 – 00:22:15:	Matt Harrison, the false prophet, added new doctrine to the small catechism in 2017.

00:22:15 – 00:22:20:	Then this year, he said that we are going to hell for disagreeing with his false doctrine.

00:22:20 – 00:22:22:	It's nothing in the small catechism.

00:22:22 – 00:22:25:	It's new annotations.

00:22:25 – 00:22:28:	Once again, this is the game that they play.

00:22:28 – 00:22:33:	They don't have the guts to actually tamper with our confessional documents, but what

00:22:33 – 00:22:34:	do they do?

00:22:34 – 00:22:38:	They do the equivalent of a presidential signing statement where they reinterpret it in a

00:22:38 – 00:22:42:	modern way and then they hold you to their modern interpretation.

00:22:42 – 00:22:48:	If what you say about what Lutherans have held for 500 years is contradictory to the

00:22:48 – 00:22:53:	modern interpretation in their comments and their essays, they say you're going to hell

00:22:53 – 00:22:55:	and they excommunicate you.

00:22:55 – 00:22:58:	That's precisely what's happened in this circumstance.

00:22:58 – 00:23:03:	Partly in response to this, in fact, the same day, I read somewhat quickly, so I got through

00:23:03 – 00:23:05:	a lot of the book.

00:23:05 – 00:23:10:	I posted two tweets and I'll just go ahead and read those two tweets.

00:23:10 – 00:23:13:	We'll link to them in the show notes as well.

00:23:13 – 00:23:18:	The first one, the entire LCMS leadership is apostate or derelict.

00:23:18 – 00:23:23:	They must all be removed and forever barred, no exceptions.

00:23:23 – 00:23:26:	That was directly a response to the large catechism.

00:23:26 – 00:23:28:	Yes, I also had other things in mind.

00:23:28 – 00:23:35:	I obviously remember what Matt Harrison had written at the time of George Floyd's suicide

00:23:35 – 00:23:40:	and that is still up to the great shame of every single pastor in the LCMS that has not

00:23:40 – 00:23:45:	been removed from the LCMS website.

00:23:45 – 00:23:49:	For those who haven't read it, I'll link it in the show notes, but it also, one of this

00:23:49 – 00:23:57:	alien points that it advances is that racism is the original sin of America, which of course

00:23:57 – 00:23:59:	that's just rank heresy.

00:23:59 – 00:24:05:	But the second tweet that I put out was these interlopers and subverters will be removed.

00:24:05 – 00:24:10:	These men, in single quotes, have no claim to the historical Lutheran church and they

00:24:10 – 00:24:13:	have no connection to the men who came before them.

00:24:13 – 00:24:17:	As for me and many others, we will continue attending Opa's church, and of course I'm

00:24:17 – 00:24:25:	referencing CFW Valter there, who wrote on many of these issues that have become so controversial

00:24:25 – 00:24:30:	in our times and in fact sides with us as do all of the historical divines of the Lutheran

00:24:30 – 00:24:37:	church because the men who are currently in charge of the LCMS are not Lutheran, they're

00:24:37 – 00:24:38:	not even Christian.

00:24:38 – 00:24:44:	Those two particular tweets are crucial because although you provided no context at the time,

00:24:44 – 00:24:47:	you were already reading the large cataclysm.

00:24:47 – 00:24:51:	You said these things the next day, the next thing we were going to talk about is Ryan

00:24:51 – 00:24:56:	Ternopseed's initial thread about this that went very viral at the time it had over a

00:24:56 – 00:25:01:	quarter million views just on Twitter and a lot more on other websites.

00:25:01 – 00:25:08:	These comments from Corey have been used in private, in secret, misconstrued as accusations

00:25:08 – 00:25:14:	against us and against other men, making utterly false claims about what he said.

00:25:14 – 00:25:19:	So those comments were one of the very first things that Corey said that were directly

00:25:19 – 00:25:24:	used to try to destroy the four men involved in what happens next.

00:25:24 – 00:25:31:	And as you mentioned, the part that happens next that really kicks off the annotated large

00:25:31 – 00:25:37:	cataclysm controversy is Ryan's thread because that of course gains considerable traction

00:25:37 – 00:25:43:	and that was posted on Saturday, that is the 21st of January and we'll link to that for

00:25:43 – 00:25:47:	those who have not gone through and read it or need a refresher and it just pulls out

00:25:47 – 00:25:56:	some of the more egregious bits of what is contained in that annotated large cataclysm.

00:25:56 – 00:26:02:	Some of the worst parts of the Marxist thinking, the false doctrine, things like that.

00:26:02 – 00:26:05:	We could have made the thread 20 times as long quite easily.

00:26:05 – 00:26:11:	I could go through and critique that volume of essays and it would take me weeks worth

00:26:11 – 00:26:14:	of podcast episodes at four hours of pop.

00:26:14 – 00:26:19:	It is an endless source of false doctrine and that is why we went as hard as we did

00:26:19 – 00:26:26:	against it because it is full of false doctrine and it is clearly intended to become the standard

00:26:26 – 00:26:28:	for the LCMS.

00:26:28 – 00:26:35:	If this particular collection of essays is permitted to stand, the LCMS is no longer a

00:26:35 – 00:26:37:	Christian body.

00:26:37 – 00:26:41:	That is what is at stake here.

00:26:41 – 00:26:48:	One of the most damning things in the thread in the large cataclysm is the minimization

00:26:48 – 00:26:50:	of what really is called pedophilia.

00:26:50 – 00:26:52:	It really shouldn't be.

00:26:52 – 00:26:57:	Pedophilia is basically a derivation of the Greek word for boy lover.

00:26:57 – 00:27:01:	There's nothing loving about that.

00:27:01 – 00:27:04:	What we're talking about is child rape.

00:27:04 – 00:27:09:	That's an upsetting thing to say because it's a deeply upsetting and disconcerting thing

00:27:09 – 00:27:10:	to think about.

00:27:10 – 00:27:15:	The idea that children could be raped by adults should be unthinkable.

00:27:15 – 00:27:20:	It shouldn't even be able to be something that someone could contemplate, let alone

00:27:20 – 00:27:22:	have it exist in the world.

00:27:22 – 00:27:26:	Yet, we know that there are these so-called pedophiles.

00:27:26 – 00:27:29:	There are these child rapists and they're everywhere.

00:27:29 – 00:27:34:	More and more in the political sphere, we find out, oh, turns out that guy was what

00:27:34 – 00:27:35:	we call a pedo.

00:27:35 – 00:27:38:	He was a child rapist.

00:27:38 – 00:27:42:	This is going to come up towards the end of this because the single most damning screenshot

00:27:42 – 00:27:48:	from all of this was the one where the essay by a girl in the sixth commandment portion

00:27:48 – 00:27:54:	talking about adultery classified pedophilia as a sexual orientation.

00:27:54 – 00:27:57:	Put it in the same sentence as polyamory somehow.

00:27:57 – 00:28:00:	How did polyamory come up?

00:28:00 – 00:28:09:	What the Missouri Synod said in this girl's voice is a pedophilia, the rape of children

00:28:09 – 00:28:12:	is a speck in your neighbor's eye.

00:28:12 – 00:28:16:	For some reason, they didn't do that in the fifth commandment one about murder.

00:28:16 – 00:28:21:	If your neps door neighbor is murdering people, if he's a serial killer, it would not occur

00:28:21 – 00:28:26:	to you as a Christian to think, huh, well, he's killing and eating people.

00:28:26 – 00:28:31:	It's Jeffrey Dahmer, and so he's doing these really bad things, but I got a lot of sin

00:28:31 – 00:28:32:	in my heart too.

00:28:32 – 00:28:34:	I can't judge him.

00:28:34 – 00:28:37:	That's not a Christian response, not by a million miles.

00:28:37 – 00:28:42:	Part of the reason that we did the episode on the fact that there are different degrees

00:28:42 – 00:28:49:	of sin is that this antinomian view that all sins are equal, man, sure they might be raping

00:28:49 – 00:28:53:	kids, but you looked at a girl on the McKinney once, it's all the same.

00:28:53 – 00:28:56:	That is a demonic lie from the pit of hell.

00:28:56 – 00:28:58:	Yes, both are sins.

00:28:58 – 00:29:01:	Yes, are both damning because damnation is binary.

00:29:01 – 00:29:05:	There's no, well, maybe you don't go to hell for that.

00:29:05 – 00:29:10:	Without Christ's sacrifice on the cross, you go to hell for every single sin or any individual

00:29:10 – 00:29:15:	sin, including the fact that you were born with original sin.

00:29:15 – 00:29:22:	The idea that a sin is different in degree or different in weight is plainly understood

00:29:22 – 00:29:23:	by every Christian.

00:29:23 – 00:29:28:	That's a reason that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed while the other towns around them

00:29:28 – 00:29:29:	were not destroyed.

00:29:29 – 00:29:30:	The other towns had sinners.

00:29:30 – 00:29:34:	They did not have sinners who were committing sodomy and rape.

00:29:34 – 00:29:40:	God hates that and he destroys it and he commands it to be destroyed.

00:29:40 – 00:29:46:	When that was made public, it rightly pissed off a lot of people, especially a lot of mothers

00:29:46 – 00:29:48:	in the LCMS.

00:29:48 – 00:29:52:	Mothers tend to take personally when someone says, maybe raping kids isn't so bad.

00:29:52 – 00:29:56:	Mothers do too, but mothers in particular, when you come after their kids, you're playing

00:29:56 – 00:29:58:	with fire.

00:29:58 – 00:30:06:	This rightly incensed people and lately, just in the last two weeks, most of the attacks

00:30:06 – 00:30:10:	against us against Stonequire are in defense of pedophilia.

00:30:10 – 00:30:11:	We'll get to that towards the end.

00:30:11 – 00:30:19:	I just want to remember that one salient fact because throughout all of this, the reason

00:30:19 – 00:30:26:	that laymen are facing these dire consequences, this persecution, this murder in our own church

00:30:26 – 00:30:31:	is because laymen said, hey, maybe child rape is something where we don't just paper it

00:30:31 – 00:30:34:	over and say, yeah, man, that's sin.

00:30:34 – 00:30:36:	It's a good thing Jesus died for them too.

00:30:36 – 00:30:38:	Let's go share the gospel.

00:30:38 – 00:30:41:	That's not where you begin when someone's raping children.

00:30:41 – 00:30:43:	I've said that term repeatedly.

00:30:43 – 00:30:45:	It's disgusting.

00:30:45 – 00:30:50:	The fact that we have pastors trying to defend it and say, well, what about the child rapist?

00:30:50 – 00:30:51:	We need to reach out to them with the gospel.

00:30:51 – 00:30:55:	Yeah, you can do that in the electric chair.

00:30:55 – 00:30:57:	Tell them about God and flip the switch.

00:30:57 – 00:31:00:	That is the only thing that the state should be doing with these men.

00:31:00 – 00:31:04:	They should not be permitted to live.

00:31:04 – 00:31:06:	For me to say that is a political position.

00:31:06 – 00:31:09:	You may say, well, no, we do something else with them.

00:31:09 – 00:31:15:	The only concern for many of the pastors involved in this is we're not sharing the gospel enough.

00:31:15 – 00:31:19:	We're not focused enough on the gospel with child rapists.

00:31:19 – 00:31:22:	What I have to say in response to that is not fit for this podcast.

00:31:22 – 00:31:29:	I'm actually going to link to, I think for the first time in this podcast, in the show

00:31:29 – 00:31:33:	notes, a specific Supreme Court case.

00:31:33 – 00:31:42:	I'm going to link to the Supreme Court case that struck down the use of the death penalty

00:31:42 – 00:31:44:	for child rapists.

00:31:44 – 00:31:48:	I am not going to recommend, I may put a little disclaimer on it even, I'm not going to recommend

00:31:48 – 00:31:52:	that most of you read the fact pattern for it.

00:31:52 – 00:31:56:	But some of you, and you'll know who you are, should read through that.

00:31:56 – 00:32:04:	So you can have some idea of how truly wicked some men are and our courts are and therefore

00:32:04 – 00:32:10:	our country is and our synod is becoming, the church is becoming.

00:32:10 – 00:32:13:	It's all of one piece.

00:32:13 – 00:32:20:	And moving on, Matt Harrison posts on the following Monday, the 23rd of January.

00:32:20 – 00:32:31:	He posts on Facebook basically responding to some of this controversy and really he

00:32:31 – 00:32:37:	botches it, not necessarily as badly here as later on, but we do eventually actually

00:32:37 – 00:32:47:	get them to halt the distribution of the large catechism in response to some of what

00:32:47 – 00:32:51:	we brought to light.

00:32:51 – 00:32:55:	But of course it was cynical because it was resumed shortly afterward.

00:32:55 – 00:32:57:	It wasn't even delayed very long.

00:32:57 – 00:32:59:	I believe this is when it was delayed.

00:32:59 – 00:33:02:	It was delayed on the 23rd.

00:33:03 – 00:33:11:	We got the notice that sales were going to be halted shortly before we began the turn

00:33:11 – 00:33:12:	upstream.

00:33:12 – 00:33:13:	Yes.

00:33:13 – 00:33:19:	It was a quick response on their part specifically because the one thing that Matt Harrison and

00:33:19 – 00:33:25:	many in the LCMS leadership hate is bad press.

00:33:25 – 00:33:31:	It's almost like dealing with Asian politicians like Chinese or to a lesser degree, but still

00:33:31 – 00:33:35:	Japanese politicians were saving face is the biggest thing and that carries over to their

00:33:35 – 00:33:37:	corporate culture as well.

00:33:37 – 00:33:42:	But they're almost behaving in that manner where if they get bad press, that is the thing

00:33:42 – 00:33:45:	that gets them to respond.

00:33:45 – 00:33:49:	Of course, they're animated by Satan ultimately because we see that with the doctrines they

00:33:49 – 00:33:56:	are attempting to push through into pulpits and congregations, but it's the bad press

00:33:56 – 00:34:00:	that really gets them to act because they're acting in self-interest.

00:34:00 – 00:34:07:	As you mentioned, we then do the turnip stream, which is when we went on Ryan Turnip Seed's

00:34:07 – 00:34:15:	YouTube channel and discussed some of these passages from the annotated large catechism

00:34:15 – 00:34:19:	and why they are false doctrine, why they are a problem, what exactly it is they are

00:34:19 – 00:34:23:	pushing into the churches.

00:34:23 – 00:34:27:	That was a three-hour stream that involved four men, involved Corey, me, Ryan, and a

00:34:27 – 00:34:30:	friend of ours who goes by the name of Ash.

00:34:30 – 00:34:37:	That stream, the two days after the thread, is the kickoff for everything that's happened

00:34:37 – 00:34:38:	since.

00:34:38 – 00:34:45:	It's now been put in writing in public that the Synod admits that all the retaliation,

00:34:45 – 00:34:53:	all the doxing, all the threats, all the excommunication are in direct retaliation for the layman participating

00:34:53 – 00:34:55:	in that stream particular.

00:34:55 – 00:35:00:	The 23rd of January is functionally the beginning of this story.

00:35:00 – 00:35:05:	Everything we've said thus far, with the exception of the large clatechism being published in

00:35:05 – 00:35:09:	the first place, this is the moment when all of this began.

00:35:09 – 00:35:13:	Notably, it's about three months after Stone Coir started.

00:35:13 – 00:35:19:	We started really because we felt that our hand was forced by how bad things were getting

00:35:19 – 00:35:25:	after the national youth gathering and then after the Mrs. Molly Lackey book.

00:35:25 – 00:35:26:	We felt we had no choice.

00:35:26 – 00:35:27:	We had to begin doing this.

00:35:27 – 00:35:33:	We decided to do it before Lackey's book, but the timing forced it.

00:35:33 – 00:35:37:	Everything that's happened since then has confirmed to us that we were right to begin

00:35:37 – 00:35:42:	this and that Satan is soiling his britches as a result of us doing this.

00:35:42 – 00:35:46:	Never in my life have I seen a nobody podcast.

00:35:46 – 00:35:48:	Two guys, no one knows anything about.

00:35:48 – 00:35:51:	Nobody cares about other than some people hate us, a few people like us.

00:35:51 – 00:35:54:	We had no marketing budget.

00:35:54 – 00:36:01:	It's a nothing podcast, and yet the volume of hatred and terror coming from men who are

00:36:01 – 00:36:06:	advocating pedophilia and normalization, that's the story here.

00:36:06 – 00:36:08:	That is the real story.

00:36:08 – 00:36:09:	Not about us.

00:36:09 – 00:36:12:	It's not about people picking on us or saying mean things.

00:36:12 – 00:36:17:	It's about the fact that when two laymen will actually begin to say, hey, this is not what

00:36:17 – 00:36:18:	the Bible says.

00:36:18 – 00:36:20:	Our churches are doing something wrong.

00:36:20 – 00:36:25:	The entire edifice of the LCMS began to crumble.

00:36:25 – 00:36:26:	We didn't do that.

00:36:26 – 00:36:33:	All we did was shine a light on what's happening, and the hysterics, and the opprobrium, and

00:36:33 – 00:36:38:	the devilish actions that have followed since then make it crystal clear to any Christian

00:36:38 – 00:36:41:	that we are on the right track.

00:36:41 – 00:36:46:	Not to say that we're completely without sin or everything we ever do is sanctified,

00:36:46 – 00:36:51:	but the fact that we are doing this has caused such evil in response, and we're going to

00:36:51 – 00:36:57:	go into the details of some of the evil, many of those details have not been known previous

00:36:57 – 00:37:00:	to this podcast today.

00:37:00 – 00:37:04:	We knew as all these things were happening that they were happening, we were talking

00:37:04 – 00:37:10:	amongst our friends, and initially, as we're living these moments day by day, we were trying

00:37:10 – 00:37:14:	to wrap our heads around it, like what is going on?

00:37:14 – 00:37:21:	I want to say we were shocked by how bad the large cataclysm was, but it was certainly

00:37:21 – 00:37:27:	stark that Harrison would push things so far left, so publicly.

00:37:27 – 00:37:32:	That's risky on his part, and the risk was made clear by the response to the turnip

00:37:32 – 00:37:35:	stream, to the thread, and everything that happened after that.

00:37:35 – 00:37:41:	As Corey said, Harrison doesn't want anyone to say anything bad about him ever.

00:37:41 – 00:37:46:	When Hermonotten died and the other guy took over Christian News, Harrison called him on

00:37:46 – 00:37:50:	the phone and said he was going to hold him personally accountable for if he ever used

00:37:50 – 00:37:55:	Matt Harrison's name in vain, and because that man was a pastor, he was bound by it,

00:37:55 – 00:37:59:	because Harrison has corporate control over pastors.

00:37:59 – 00:38:01:	Who doesn't know Harrison control?

00:38:01 – 00:38:03:	He doesn't control laymen.

00:38:03 – 00:38:06:	Corey and I have no relationship to Matt Harrison whatsoever.

00:38:06 – 00:38:08:	He's some guy in St. Louis.

00:38:08 – 00:38:12:	He's controlling a church that we're members of, and he's doing evil things.

00:38:12 – 00:38:15:	That makes this our business, and it makes this our problem.

00:38:15 – 00:38:18:	As Corey said at the beginning, all this stuff is playing out in other churches too,

00:38:18 – 00:38:23:	and many it's already happened, and some of the LCMS is now further down this path of

00:38:23 – 00:38:26:	absolute abject destruction.

00:38:26 – 00:38:28:	We're not going to take it silently.

00:38:28 – 00:38:32:	That's why we're here, to talk about what is happening.

00:38:32 – 00:38:36:	If we were just shouting into the void, and no one was listening, and nobody cared, the

00:38:36 – 00:38:38:	Synod would have ignored us.

00:38:38 – 00:38:41:	If no one heard what we were saying, we wouldn't matter.

00:38:41 – 00:38:43:	Honestly, that's what I expected.

00:38:43 – 00:38:48:	I expect that as we built up this library of episodes, a few people a year, and maybe

00:38:48 – 00:38:50:	later on, someone would stumble across it.

00:38:50 – 00:38:54:	I never expected that we would be at the center of what is bringing down Matt Harrison's

00:38:54 – 00:38:57:	evil administration, and yet here we are.

00:38:57 – 00:39:01:	This is what God is using us for, and I thank him for it, and I thank him for every amount

00:39:01 – 00:39:06:	of hatred poured out by all these pastors, because it proves that everything that we're

00:39:06 – 00:39:10:	describing to you is true and correct, and it is in service to God.

00:39:10 – 00:39:17:	And so part of our response to what we've just described was the episode here we stand,

00:39:17 – 00:39:21:	which we published on the 25th of January.

00:39:21 – 00:39:25:	And in that episode, we pointed out that we aren't going anywhere.

00:39:25 – 00:39:30:	We are Lutherans, and we are going to remain Lutherans, because we actually take our confirmation

00:39:30 – 00:39:32:	oath seriously.

00:39:32 – 00:39:38:	The confirmation oath for those who are unfamiliar with the Lutheran rite of confirmation is,

00:39:38 – 00:39:44:	do you intend to continue steadfast in this confession and church, and to suffer all even

00:39:44 – 00:39:47:	death rather than fall away from it?

00:39:47 – 00:39:51:	And so every single confirmed Lutheran has said yes to that.

00:39:51 – 00:39:57:	Every Lutheran has publicly stated that his position is that he will suffer all even death

00:39:57 – 00:40:02:	before falling away from the Lutheran confession in the Lutheran church.

00:40:02 – 00:40:03:	We took that seriously.

00:40:03 – 00:40:05:	We take that seriously.

00:40:05 – 00:40:06:	And so we aren't going anywhere.

00:40:06 – 00:40:07:	We're going to remain Lutheran.

00:40:07 – 00:40:11:	We made that point very clear in that episode.

00:40:11 – 00:40:15:	One of the reasons that we did that episode was that a lot of people were asking us in

00:40:15 – 00:40:19:	the wake of the large cataclysm, why are you guys staying in this church body?

00:40:19 – 00:40:20:	Why don't you leave?

00:40:20 – 00:40:23:	In fact, that's something that's been asked to us personally, directly.

00:40:23 – 00:40:27:	Everyone involved in that stream, we're told by their pastors, why don't you guys just

00:40:27 – 00:40:29:	leave if you don't like it?

00:40:29 – 00:40:36:	Why don't you just disavow the vow that you took to God and before God to remain steadfast

00:40:36 – 00:40:38:	in the Lutheran church?

00:40:38 – 00:40:40:	Lutheran pastors say, you guys should just leave.

00:40:40 – 00:40:41:	Just go away.

00:40:41 – 00:40:46:	Even knowing that according to Lutheran doctrine, the word is not properly preached and the

00:40:46 – 00:40:51:	sacraments are not properly administered in other denominations, these pastors would basically

00:40:51 – 00:40:53:	send us to the wolves and say, you guys should leave.

00:40:53 – 00:40:55:	You should go somewhere else.

00:40:55 – 00:40:56:	I think that's stark.

00:40:56 – 00:41:01:	I think that you're a pastor and someone has doctrinal concerns.

00:41:01 – 00:41:07:	If your knee jerk response is, why don't you just go somewhere else, I would submit to

00:41:07 – 00:41:12:	you that you're not a shepherd, that you're basically a spiritual assassin.

00:41:12 – 00:41:17:	Some of the men who said that weren't actually evil men, and it was an honest inquisition,

00:41:17 – 00:41:22:	but we did the episode specifically to say, where else can we go?

00:41:22 – 00:41:26:	This is sound doctrine that's being attacked from within the church.

00:41:26 – 00:41:30:	It's not that the church doesn't hold true doctrine, it's that those in the church attempting

00:41:30 – 00:41:34:	to subvert it are destroying the doctrine that we hold to.

00:41:34 – 00:41:37:	We're not going to go somewhere else when other places don't hold to sound doctrine

00:41:37 – 00:41:38:	in the first place.

00:41:38 – 00:41:42:	We're going to fight for our church where that doctrine should be preserved because

00:41:42 – 00:41:45:	we know through time it has been.

00:41:45 – 00:41:47:	If God is with us, it will be here.

00:41:47 – 00:41:49:	That was exactly what I was going to point out.

00:41:49 – 00:41:54:	We're not going to go anywhere because the Lutheran church has the most correct doctrine

00:41:54 – 00:41:58:	and our confirmation of binds our consciences.

00:41:58 – 00:42:03:	We are going to remain Lutheran to the end, regardless of what may happen to the institutional

00:42:03 – 00:42:07:	Lutheran church in the interim.

00:42:07 – 00:42:13:	So following on, we have the first meeting of Ash with his pastor.

00:42:13 – 00:42:18:	It was a meeting like passing in the Narthex since, so Ash told his pastor that he had

00:42:18 – 00:42:23:	been involved in the large cataclysm, specifically the thread and the video stream.

00:42:23 – 00:42:27:	He wanted to let him know that he expected there would be some pushback and he didn't

00:42:27 – 00:42:33:	want his pastor to be blindsided by his online activities and he offered to give him his

00:42:33 – 00:42:36:	Twitter and his pastor's like, I'm not interested.

00:42:36 – 00:42:41:	In fact, I believe his pastor and elders said, we've got your back effectively.

00:42:41 – 00:42:42:	Ryan turnip seed.

00:42:42 – 00:42:47:	I don't remember the date, but he had a almost verbatim conversation with his own pastor.

00:42:47 – 00:42:49:	His pastor is even more disinterested.

00:42:49 – 00:42:55:	So immediately after doing the stream, two of the men said, hey, to their pastors, there

00:42:55 – 00:42:56:	might be some blowback.

00:42:56 – 00:42:57:	I want you to know what I'm doing.

00:42:57 – 00:42:59:	I did it in good consciousness.

00:42:59 – 00:43:02:	If you have questions, pastors like, we don't want to know.

00:43:02 – 00:43:03:	We have no questions.

00:43:03 – 00:43:06:	You're a parishioner, whatever, do what you're going to do.

00:43:06 – 00:43:10:	So the pastors were completely disinterested in the idea of layman speaking to doctrine

00:43:10 – 00:43:11:	online.

00:43:11 – 00:43:14:	They had no pastoral concern about that whatsoever.

00:43:14 – 00:43:17:	And that's going to come up later.

00:43:17 – 00:43:20:	This is probably a good place to point out.

00:43:20 – 00:43:24:	I'm not going to mention all the times that I have met with or talked to my pastor because

00:43:24 – 00:43:25:	that would be ridiculous.

00:43:25 – 00:43:26:	I've had coffee with him.

00:43:26 – 00:43:30:	I've been over to his house, et cetera.

00:43:30 – 00:43:38:	And so all throughout this, my pastor was made aware of my online activity and all of

00:43:38 – 00:43:39:	these various things.

00:43:39 – 00:43:42:	So none of this was a blind side for him.

00:43:42 – 00:43:46:	He was not taken unawares by these things.

00:43:46 – 00:43:50:	And so I don't want to give that impression by not listing all of the times that I have

00:43:50 – 00:43:52:	talked to him.

00:43:52 – 00:43:55:	As I said, I've had coffee with him a number of times, been over to his house, et cetera.

00:43:55 – 00:43:56:	So just bear that in mind.

00:43:56 – 00:44:02:	I'm not going to list them all here because it would be silly.

00:44:02 – 00:44:10:	But moving on from there, the next salient episode of this podcast is The Enemy's Playbook,

00:44:10 – 00:44:13:	and that was published on the 1st of February.

00:44:13 – 00:44:19:	What is the one where basically we went over how Marxists subvert institutions, how they

00:44:19 – 00:44:24:	take over organizations, just how these things work?

00:44:24 – 00:44:26:	We went over Satan's playbook.

00:44:26 – 00:44:33:	And those who are paying attention, you will see exactly that happening in this timeline

00:44:33 – 00:44:42:	of events because the LCMS leadership and others are following Satan's playbook because

00:44:42 – 00:44:45:	they are serving Satan.

00:44:45 – 00:44:48:	They're just following their master's playbook.

00:44:48 – 00:44:52:	And so if you don't remember that podcast, don't remember the content of that one, maybe

00:44:52 – 00:45:01:	go back and listen to that one after this one, and you will see exactly that playbook

00:45:01 – 00:45:05:	being put into action in this timeline.

00:45:05 – 00:45:10:	The salient fact from that is basically one line.

00:45:10 – 00:45:14:	Alinsky's Rules for Radicals is Satan's playbook.

00:45:14 – 00:45:21:	And Alinsky 13 says verbatim, pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

00:45:21 – 00:45:24:	Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.

00:45:24 – 00:45:27:	Go after people and not institutions.

00:45:27 – 00:45:29:	People hurt faster than institutions.

00:45:29 – 00:45:36:	Everything that has happened subsequent to the exposure of the pedophilia advocacy in

00:45:36 – 00:45:43:	the large cataclysm is specifically focused primarily around Corey because he is not pseudonymous.

00:45:43 – 00:45:45:	So he was the easiest, most prominent target.

00:45:45 – 00:45:51:	I am equally targeted, but because my name was not known at the time to Synod, they couldn't

00:45:51 – 00:45:53:	come after me personally.

00:45:53 – 00:45:58:	So they have very closely and very assiduously followed Alinsky Rule 13.

00:45:58 – 00:46:03:	They picked Corey, completely isolated him, made him persona non grata.

00:46:03 – 00:46:08:	It was a very deliberate, very conscious, very satanic act by Synod.

00:46:08 – 00:46:09:	And we knew it was coming.

00:46:09 – 00:46:10:	We didn't know to what degree.

00:46:10 – 00:46:12:	We didn't know what the details were going to be.

00:46:12 – 00:46:16:	But the reason that the very next episode we did was about Alinsky's Rules because we

00:46:16 – 00:46:20:	knew we were dealing with satanic men.

00:46:20 – 00:46:24:	We knew based on the content of the large cataclysm itself that we were dealing with

00:46:24 – 00:46:25:	demons.

00:46:25 – 00:46:26:	We were not dealing with Christians.

00:46:26 – 00:46:32:	We were not dealing with disputes about doctrine in, you know, maybe it could go either way.

00:46:32 – 00:46:34:	We were dealing with Satan himself.

00:46:34 – 00:46:37:	And everything that's happened since then has confirmed that we were absolutely correct.

00:46:37 – 00:46:41:	So if you go back and listen to that episode, and it's worth listening to, particularly

00:46:41 – 00:46:46:	in light of the context of this episode and the subs in all of these events, you can clearly

00:46:46 – 00:46:51:	see that it seems prophetic, like all the stuff we talked about happened, and it wasn't

00:46:51 – 00:46:54:	we're brilliant, and it wasn't we have some sort of vision.

00:46:54 – 00:46:56:	It's Satan's playbook.

00:46:56 – 00:46:59:	We knew we were up against Satan, so he just did what he always does.

00:46:59 – 00:47:03:	To flesh out your comments about why they targeted me.

00:47:03 – 00:47:06:	Part of it, yes, is that I'm very public.

00:47:06 – 00:47:08:	My accounts are all my name.

00:47:08 – 00:47:09:	My website is my name.

00:47:09 – 00:47:13:	My profile picture is my literal profile picture.

00:47:13 – 00:47:15:	You and Ash are pseudonymous.

00:47:15 – 00:47:19:	You are much more difficult for them to target, although Synod, of course, knows who both

00:47:19 – 00:47:22:	of you are.

00:47:22 – 00:47:27:	But outright doxing you in order to pursue you makes them look worse.

00:47:27 – 00:47:29:	So we know they have your docs.

00:47:29 – 00:47:33:	They've held back because, probably because attorneys got involved, not because they were

00:47:33 – 00:47:38:	necessarily bright enough to figure out strategically what they should or shouldn't do, but attorneys

00:47:38 – 00:47:41:	may have mentioned to them that there is potential liability here.

00:47:41 – 00:47:47:	And of course, in the case of Ryan, who is, again, as I am not pseudonymous, well, it

00:47:47 – 00:47:51:	looks bad when you're targeting someone as young as Ryan.

00:47:51 – 00:47:53:	And so they didn't like the optics of that.

00:47:53 – 00:47:56:	And of course, there are more inflammatory things that I've posted, and so it makes it

00:47:56 – 00:47:57:	easier to target me.

00:47:57 – 00:47:58:	I knew that.

00:47:58 – 00:48:01:	I know that every time I post.

00:48:01 – 00:48:03:	And so that's why they've gone after me.

00:48:03 – 00:48:07:	Unfortunately, for them, I don't really care, and I'm not a good person to target because

00:48:07 – 00:48:09:	I will hit back.

00:48:09 – 00:48:16:	But moving on from that episode, the enemy's playbook, to the resumption of the distribution

00:48:16 – 00:48:23:	of the large cataclysm, the pedochism, whatever we want to call it, literally the next day,

00:48:23 – 00:48:25:	the second of February.

00:48:25 – 00:48:28:	And Harrison resumed it.

00:48:28 – 00:48:35:	And as part of that resumption, he said that he deplored the un-Christian attacks against

00:48:35 – 00:48:39:	the annotated large cataclysm and its authors.

00:48:39 – 00:48:41:	And so he doubled down.

00:48:41 – 00:48:48:	He is now, he was before, but he is now 100% responsible for the content and has stamped

00:48:48 – 00:48:52:	it with his stamp of approval multiple times.

00:48:52 – 00:48:59:	We have been able to confirm that this collection of essays not only went through CTCR, which

00:48:59 – 00:49:03:	is the standard process for anything that is doctrinal and published by CPH.

00:49:03 – 00:49:08:	It has to go through a review process, but it went through the review process with the

00:49:08 – 00:49:13:	CTCR, CPH's review process, and Harrison's office.

00:49:13 – 00:49:20:	This is 100% stamped and approved by the LCMS leadership top to bottom.

00:49:20 – 00:49:22:	And that includes the VPs.

00:49:22 – 00:49:27:	He reiterated that when he reintroduced the publication, when he said, I deplored the

00:49:27 – 00:49:29:	un-Christian attacks.

00:49:29 – 00:49:32:	He also commended it to every Lutheran to every Christian.

00:49:32 – 00:49:33:	You should read this.

00:49:33 – 00:49:34:	You're going to love it.

00:49:34 – 00:49:35:	All the stuff about pedophilia, it's great.

00:49:35 – 00:49:36:	You're going to love it all.

00:49:36 – 00:49:43:	So the large, the annotated large cataclysm is the official doctrinal position of the

00:49:43 – 00:49:48:	LCMS, regardless of any comments they have made to the contrary.

00:49:48 – 00:49:50:	It has been approved by Matt Harrison.

00:49:50 – 00:49:52:	It has been approved by the CTCR.

00:49:52 – 00:49:55:	It has been approved by members of the seminaries.

00:49:55 – 00:49:58:	I think it has by CTS as well, not just St. Louis.

00:49:58 – 00:50:02:	Well, yeah, Rast, Larry Rast, the president of-

00:50:02 – 00:50:03:	That's the general right.

00:50:03 – 00:50:04:	Yes.

00:50:04 – 00:50:07:	Rast is president of the Four Wayne Seminary.

00:50:07 – 00:50:11:	He's also, I believe he's the president, Pro Tem of CTCR.

00:50:11 – 00:50:12:	He was directly and personally involved.

00:50:12 – 00:50:18:	And we're not going to get the specific details of his personal life, but suffice it to say

00:50:18 – 00:50:25:	that these changes in doctrine surrounding sexuality that are pushed in the large cataclysm

00:50:25 – 00:50:31:	are in many cases self-defense of Matt Harrison's personal friends whose own families have fallen

00:50:31 – 00:50:35:	into sexual sin that needs to be papered over.

00:50:35 – 00:50:39:	So it's not simply that they're changing doctrine to be more worldly, is that they're

00:50:39 – 00:50:46:	changing doctrine because their own family and friends have fallen into sin, to demonic

00:50:46 – 00:50:50:	possession, into privacy, and they're trying to cover for them.

00:50:50 – 00:50:53:	They're trying to say, well, let's just have a lot of love for this.

00:50:53 – 00:50:54:	We don't want any law.

00:50:54 – 00:50:57:	We want to scare people away with the law.

00:50:57 – 00:51:01:	So the personnel involved, while we're not going to mention them here specifically, it's

00:51:01 – 00:51:06:	not a coincidence that many of these things are present, that men involved knew who they

00:51:06 – 00:51:09:	were providing cover for when they said these things.

00:51:09 – 00:51:13:	The same with regard to Harrison and his family and some of the comments in the small cataclysm

00:51:13 – 00:51:17:	previous to the re-released large cataclysm.

00:51:17 – 00:51:24:	There's a lot of mercenary actions going on in all of this.

00:51:24 – 00:51:30:	But after the resumption of the distribution of the annotated large cataclysm, we'll take

00:51:30 – 00:51:37:	a sort of detour here to briefly mention something that is tangentially related and becomes more

00:51:37 – 00:51:40:	relevant actually by the day.

00:51:40 – 00:51:49:	But on the 7th of February, Chris Rosebro, who goes by Pirate Christian on various social

00:51:49 – 00:51:52:	media platforms, he has a discernment ministry so called.

00:51:52 – 00:51:59:	He is also an online pastor who consecrates the sacrament, as much as it pains me even

00:51:59 – 00:52:05:	to say those words in that order, who supposedly consecrates the sacrament over the internet.

00:52:05 – 00:52:10:	But he registers a website called Operation Valkyrie.

00:52:10 – 00:52:12:	Do not visit that website.

00:52:12 – 00:52:16:	If you want to look at any of the articles, make sure to use an archive link.

00:52:16 – 00:52:22:	You can find those various places they've been shared on Twitter by various individuals

00:52:22 – 00:52:25:	who are mutuals with us.

00:52:25 – 00:52:27:	Do not go there directly, it will dox you.

00:52:27 – 00:52:31:	If you're not worried about that, then I guess that's on you.

00:52:31 – 00:52:37:	But at any rate, this is an operation that he is conducting with his son.

00:52:37 – 00:52:41:	I don't know for absolute certainty that he registered it, it may have been someone close

00:52:41 – 00:52:42:	to him.

00:52:42 – 00:52:49:	But at any rate, Rosebro controls this and his son is one of the authors on this site.

00:52:49 – 00:52:53:	What's notable about the date is that when this was registered on February 7th, we had

00:52:53 – 00:52:57:	no idea because he didn't do anything with it for a couple months.

00:52:57 – 00:53:03:	So this is one of the few elements of this timeline where as we plug it back in retroactively

00:53:03 – 00:53:07:	once we discovered it, a whole lot of things downstream click.

00:53:07 – 00:53:11:	So at the time, we didn't know because he wasn't using this blog to come after us.

00:53:11 – 00:53:17:	Subsequently, he said sometime, I think beginning of April, roughly, that he had been doing

00:53:17 – 00:53:21:	this operation for a couple months, specifically coming after us.

00:53:21 – 00:53:31:	So the relevance of him registering Operation Valkyrie on February 7th is that he was doing

00:53:31 – 00:53:36:	things behind the scenes in secret, targeting Stone Choir, and the big reveal was a couple

00:53:36 – 00:53:37:	months later.

00:53:37 – 00:53:39:	And it's very clearly his own blog.

00:53:39 – 00:53:43:	He has yet to take credit for it personally and publicly, but he's the only one who's

00:53:43 – 00:53:44:	boosted it.

00:53:44 – 00:53:48:	He's the first one who boosts it, he has his fingerprints all over it.

00:53:48 – 00:53:53:	He's writing for Chris's, his son, his Josh, and probably a couple other pastors are writing

00:53:53 – 00:53:55:	for it as well, his friends.

00:53:55 – 00:54:01:	So it's their blog that was literally stood up to attack Stone Choir, to attack laymen

00:54:01 – 00:54:05:	in another Senate because we're LCMS, he's AALC, but that's part of the reason we told

00:54:05 – 00:54:11:	the story about Jordan and these AALC connections that go back for years.

00:54:11 – 00:54:16:	So we didn't know at the time that this had occurred, but later on it becomes very relevant.

00:54:16 – 00:54:22:	And so basically he's just publishing articles attempting to rebut things that we've said.

00:54:22 – 00:54:24:	They aren't worth reading.

00:54:24 – 00:54:29:	If you want to laugh, I guess go read them, but the more salient thing here is that the

00:54:29 – 00:54:34:	name they chose really reveals a lot about them.

00:54:34 – 00:54:40:	Those who are familiar with World War II will perhaps recognize Operation Valkyrie.

00:54:40 – 00:54:43:	It actually has multiple senses in that context.

00:54:43 – 00:54:48:	It was the name of the continuity of government operation for the Third Reich, but it was

00:54:48 – 00:54:56:	also the name of the July 20th plot, which was an attempt to assassinate Adolf Hitler

00:54:56 – 00:55:01:	and overthrow the Third Reich government by a coup d'etat.

00:55:01 – 00:55:05:	And so you've probably seen the picture.

00:55:05 – 00:55:12:	There was the use of an explosive to completely level a conference room, but Hitler was saved

00:55:12 – 00:55:17:	by the particularly thick table leg.

00:55:17 – 00:55:21:	And so he just had damage to his eardrums and such, but he survived.

00:55:21 – 00:55:26:	But the reason it's relevant here is because that is how these gentlemen see themselves.

00:55:26 – 00:55:31:	They believe that they're part of some sort of resistance movement attempting to overthrow,

00:55:31 – 00:55:34:	I don't know, apparently I'm an evil dictator, despite the fact that I don't control anything

00:55:34 – 00:55:37:	other than my own garden.

00:55:37 – 00:55:44:	But apparently their goal is to destroy evil as they see it, and I am that evil.

00:55:44 – 00:55:50:	And so is Woe, and so is anyone who is objected to these materials.

00:55:50 – 00:55:52:	It's much more explicit than that.

00:55:52 – 00:55:55:	They celebrate murdering Nazis.

00:55:55 – 00:55:58:	And then, oh, by the way, separately they say that we are Nazis.

00:55:58 – 00:56:03:	So at least once a week, you'll see multiple pastors on Twitter joking about murdering

00:56:03 – 00:56:08:	Nazis, celebrating murdering Nazis, saying that murdering Nazis is basically one of

00:56:08 – 00:56:12:	the highest forms of a good work that any Christian can do.

00:56:12 – 00:56:17:	And then the same day or the next day, they'll say, Cory is a Nazi.

00:56:17 – 00:56:18:	I am a Nazi.

00:56:18 – 00:56:20:	Our friends are Nazis.

00:56:20 – 00:56:24:	Anyone who believes what we believe about X, Y, and Z are Nazis.

00:56:24 – 00:56:28:	The connection between we're going to murder Nazis and these laymen are Nazis cannot be

00:56:28 – 00:56:32:	dismissed.

00:56:32 – 00:56:34:	They're just taking a page out of the playbook of the left.

00:56:34 – 00:56:40:	The left has been doing this for years where anyone who is right of X arbitrary individual

00:56:40 – 00:56:46:	or position is a Nazi because that is the level of political discourse in the modern

00:56:46 – 00:56:52:	West, that if you're to the right of this arbitrary position, you're a Nazi, and it

00:56:52 – 00:56:54:	is always good to murder Nazis.

00:56:54 – 00:56:56:	In fact, you can't murder a Nazi.

00:56:56 – 00:57:00:	You can only kill him if they were smart enough to actually distinguish those terms.

00:57:00 – 00:57:01:	But that's what's happening here.

00:57:01 – 00:57:07:	We're just adopting that playbook, that page from the playbook of the left because, again,

00:57:07 – 00:57:10:	same master.

00:57:10 – 00:57:12:	But here is an interesting part.

00:57:12 – 00:57:18:	Three days later, so note that Rosebrough starts his little Operation Valkyrie thing

00:57:18 – 00:57:20:	on the 7th.

00:57:20 – 00:57:30:	Three days later on the 10th, Antifa poses my summary of, I guess, my bio and a dox attempt

00:57:30 – 00:57:32:	on me.

00:57:32 – 00:57:33:	Some of the information is doxing.

00:57:33 – 00:57:36:	A lot of the information is already public.

00:57:36 – 00:57:40:	But it's not the point that the information in some cases is already public.

00:57:40 – 00:57:43:	The point is the goal of what is being done here.

00:57:43 – 00:57:46:	This is the isolation freeze targeting.

00:57:46 – 00:57:51:	This is the Alinskyite tactics that you see in action here.

00:57:51 – 00:57:56:	And pastors are some of the first ones to pick up and run with this.

00:57:56 – 00:57:58:	There are pastors who follow this account on Twitter.

00:57:58 – 00:58:00:	There are pastors who promote this stuff.

00:58:00 – 00:58:03:	There are pastors who share this information.

00:58:03 – 00:58:11:	And this becomes sort of a proxy, an excuse for some of the things that happen with my

00:58:11 – 00:58:17:	pastor, former pastor, and congregation, and that will then continue to happen to others.

00:58:17 – 00:58:23:	They haven't doxed anyone else yet, but that does not mean that they will not do so.

00:58:23 – 00:58:28:	Notably, this is the same tactic that was employed against Superluthorin.

00:58:28 – 00:58:35:	And in that case, they actually tagged Jordan Cooper at the end of that thread, tacitly

00:58:35 – 00:58:40:	acknowledging his links to Antifa groups.

00:58:40 – 00:58:45:	And there are things that happen specifically to Super, with personal information that could

00:58:45 – 00:58:48:	not have come from outside the AALC.

00:58:48 – 00:58:53:	And that's the case as well with what's in the Makair action dox of Corey.

00:58:53 – 00:58:58:	When they list several of my previous Twitter accounts, previous pseudonyms, there's no

00:58:58 – 00:59:04:	way that my current account could be tied to those in a way that Antifa would have had

00:59:04 – 00:59:09:	access because Antifa was clearly not following me for years, not this group of Antifa.

00:59:09 – 00:59:14:	Others have, but this particular group, which is primarily based out of Portland with direct

00:59:14 – 00:59:18:	connections to Italy somehow, maybe they're crypto-fascists, that'd be exciting.

00:59:18 – 00:59:26:	They specifically include details that could only have possibly come from Lutheran pastors.

00:59:26 – 00:59:32:	And the blog that they're using to be explicit, the URL that the Makaira action blog is on,

00:59:32 – 00:59:40:	the only possible way you can have a blog on that is if you are vetted in and by Antifa.

00:59:40 – 00:59:41:	There's no other possible way.

00:59:41 – 00:59:45:	So we're not talking about Blogspot.

00:59:45 – 00:59:49:	It's a specific Antifa hosting company with Antifa DNS.

00:59:49 – 00:59:53:	Everything about it is 100% vetted Antifa.

00:59:53 – 00:59:58:	And the information on it came in part from Lutheran pastors.

59:58 – 01:00:04
And so when two months later, Chris said, I've been working on this operation for months,

01:00:04 – 01:00:10:	and he sets up his domain before Makaira action drops their docs on Corey and one of his friends

01:00:10 – 01:00:14:	at his church.

01:00:14 – 01:00:19:	That's speculative, that's circumstantial, but in full view of everything else, there's

01:00:19 – 01:00:23:	no doubt in my mind that the two are directly linked.

01:00:23 – 01:00:27:	I would agree completely, because we've seen this before, we've seen it play out.

01:00:27 – 01:00:32:	We've seen this connection between Antifa and individuals supposedly in the Lutheran

01:00:32 – 01:00:40:	church who have the explicit goal of moving the Lutheran church to the left of basically

01:00:40 – 01:00:42:	turning the LCMS.

01:00:42 – 01:00:48:	And insofar as it's not already there, the ALC into just another Elka.

01:00:48 – 01:00:53:	And so the follow on from this docs, as I said, it was going to be used as an excuse

01:00:53 – 01:01:01:	and here's the use of it as an excuse on the following Sunday, two days later, the 12th.

01:01:01 – 01:01:08:	My pastor comes up to me after, I believe he told me before the service, very briefly

01:01:08 – 01:01:15:	mentioned it as I walked in, and then I talked to him afterward because we had a potluck

01:01:15 – 01:01:18:	after the service, so I talked to him then.

01:01:18 – 01:01:23:	He told me there was going to be a meeting, an elders meeting, and I was to attend it,

01:01:23 – 01:01:27:	and that was on the following day on Monday.

01:01:27 – 01:01:31:	So I provided him with some links to make sure that he was well informed what was going

01:01:31 – 01:01:32:	on.

01:01:32 – 01:01:39:	I linked to the Antifa docs notably through an archive so that it would not dox him and

01:01:39 – 01:01:44:	some of the stone choir materials and things so that he would be ready for this meeting

01:01:44 – 01:01:49:	and have a better idea of what was going on.

01:01:49 – 01:01:51:	Whether or not he read those, I don't know.

01:01:51 – 01:01:57:	I suspect that many of those who were present at the meeting did not read those.

01:01:57 – 01:02:01:	And so Monday, the next day, the elders meeting took place.

01:02:01 – 01:02:05:	Now, of course, I was not informed of the nature of the meeting.

01:02:05 – 01:02:08:	I was just told there was going to be a meeting I needed to be present.

01:02:08 – 01:02:13:	I wasn't told who was going to be present, what the subject was.

01:02:13 – 01:02:16:	I wasn't provided any information.

01:02:16 – 01:02:19:	But anyway, I show up to this meeting.

01:02:19 – 01:02:24:	And before we get to the meeting itself, just as an interesting aside, something that is

01:02:24 – 01:02:31:	worth noting, and for those who pay close attention to these things in life, this is salient,

01:02:31 – 01:02:35:	the day before the front door of the church broke.

01:02:35 – 01:02:40:	And so everyone who attended this meeting had to enter through a small door on the back

01:02:40 – 01:02:43:	of the church building that's practically hidden by bushes.

01:02:43 – 01:02:48:	Honestly, I don't think I even knew it was there before this meeting.

01:02:48 – 01:02:52:	But after entering through this narrow little hallway on the backside of the church, I went

01:02:52 – 01:02:56:	to the meeting room where we usually have Bible studies and such.

01:02:56 – 01:03:02:	And as it turns out, it was actually the elderboard, Pastor Graves, who is the circuit visitor

01:03:02 – 01:03:09:	for Mid-South, Pastor Manum, my former pastor.

01:03:09 – 01:03:15:	And it was not a meeting because a meeting is a coming together of various individuals

01:03:15 – 01:03:17:	for the discussion of certain subjects.

01:03:17 – 01:03:19:	That is just the definition of a meeting.

01:03:19 – 01:03:20:	There was no discussion.

01:03:20 – 01:03:23:	I had no chance to respond to anything.

01:03:23 – 01:03:29:	There was simply a reading of charges against me by Pastor Manum.

01:03:29 – 01:03:33:	And then I was told to leave.

01:03:33 – 01:03:36:	I was not even provided with a copy of the charges.

01:03:36 – 01:03:38:	I asked for that.

01:03:38 – 01:03:44:	One of the other pastors in attendance notably did stage a very ineffectual, but I will give

01:03:44 – 01:03:47:	him credit where credit is due.

01:03:47 – 01:03:50:	He did say that I should have been provided with something and that it wasn't entirely

01:03:50 – 01:03:51:	appropriate.

01:03:51 – 01:03:58:	He was very quickly shut down by Graves, who is the circuit visitor who is directly connected

01:03:58 – 01:04:01:	to Synod, who is one of the individuals who is very clearly pushing this.

01:04:01 – 01:04:06:	I don't know if it came to him directly from Synod or if it came through the district president.

01:04:06 – 01:04:10:	Most likely it came through the district president, who is Pavala.

01:04:10 – 01:04:12:	You may notice that name.

01:04:12 – 01:04:16:	His son is on Twitter and active and posts things that are in keeping with the other

01:04:16 – 01:04:19:	pastors we've mentioned so far.

01:04:19 – 01:04:26:	But that is essentially where I was told that very clearly their goal was going to be to

01:04:26 – 01:04:28:	excommunicate me.

01:04:28 – 01:04:32:	They didn't explicitly say it at the time because they didn't really tell me anything

01:04:32 – 01:04:36:	other than the reading of the charges and then telling me to leave the property.

01:04:36 – 01:04:41:	It's worth noting with regard to hierarchy for anyone who's not familiar with, even

01:04:41 – 01:04:47:	in the LCMS, I think a lot of people don't know this, the LCMS has a president beneath

01:04:47 – 01:04:51:	the president, our district presidents, I think they're like 31 of them, roughly, if

01:04:51 – 01:04:53:	I remember correctly.

01:04:53 – 01:04:56:	And then within the districts, those are divided into circuits.

01:04:56 – 01:05:02:	And so the lowest form of hierarchy in the Missouri Synod is the circuit visitor.

01:05:02 – 01:05:08:	It's a pastor who doesn't directly have authority, but he kind of has supervisory duties.

01:05:08 – 01:05:16:	And so the presence of a circuit visitor at any of these meetings implicitly involves

01:05:16 – 01:05:20:	synod hierarchy, which was also explicit in this case and in the other cases.

01:05:20 – 01:05:25:	But it's worth noting that when we say circuit visitor or circuit pastor, we're talking about

01:05:25 – 01:05:30:	someone who is there as a representative of LCMS corporate.

01:05:30 – 01:05:31:	It's not just a pastor.

01:05:31 – 01:05:32:	It's not just another witness.

01:05:32 – 01:05:37:	It is a man who is an agent of the LCMS corporation.

01:05:37 – 01:05:43:	So we're dealing with synod officials acting in their official capacity as synod agents.

01:05:43 – 01:05:50:	And so after this meeting, I texted Pastor Manum as a sort of follow-up and I stated

01:05:50 – 01:05:51:	that I had three requests.

01:05:51 – 01:05:57:	I again renewed my request for a copy of the charging document, as it is simply in keeping

01:05:57 – 01:06:03:	with good order to actually give the accused a copy of the document with the charges.

01:06:03 – 01:06:09:	Second, I asked him if he had an intent to get a restraining order against me as it was

01:06:09 – 01:06:15:	made fairly clear in the meeting that I was not particularly welcome at the church, particularly

01:06:15 – 01:06:17:	by one of the elders.

01:06:17 – 01:06:18:	It was made very clear.

01:06:18 – 01:06:25:	And then the third request was a review of the charge because they did have a charge

01:06:25 – 01:06:29:	about Jordan Cooper and my comments about Jordan Cooper on social media.

01:06:29 – 01:06:34:	I asked for a review of that in light of the fact that Kilcrease had called Jordan Cooper

01:06:34 – 01:06:37:	an open heretic.

01:06:37 – 01:06:45:	Because if one of the chief, supposed theologians of the LCMS is calling a man an open heretic,

01:06:45 – 01:06:50:	I as a layman can hardly be faulted for saying the exact same thing.

01:06:50 – 01:06:54:	In Kilcrease, his name is really important because he is one of the principal architects

01:06:54 – 01:06:57:	of the large cataclysm.

01:06:57 – 01:06:58:	He is on the CTCR.

01:06:58 – 01:07:03:	He is one of the men most directly involved with it, along with John Pless, who's very

01:07:03 – 01:07:06:	good old friends with Matt Harrison.

01:07:06 – 01:07:12:	In the immediate aftermath of the turnip stream and turnip seeds thread on Twitter, Jack Kilcrease

01:07:12 – 01:07:15:	lost his mind on Facebook.

01:07:15 – 01:07:19:	He began spreading insane slander about us.

01:07:19 – 01:07:25:	And he specifically said on Facebook that as soon as Matt got back from his Maui vacation

01:07:25 – 01:07:29:	that we ruined, he was going to get to and make sure that he understood that these men

01:07:29 – 01:07:33:	who were opposed to the pedacism were in fact Nazis.

01:07:33 – 01:07:39:	And that's precisely what Matt reiterated when he re-released the large cataclysm.

01:07:39 – 01:07:44:	When he described the un-Christian conduct by those men, that was the aftermath of Kilcrease

01:07:44 – 01:07:46:	getting to him.

01:07:46 – 01:07:53:	Now, that's important because Kilcrease's wife follows Antifa's blog.

01:07:53 – 01:07:59:	They follow Makai Reaction, as well as Peter Slayton, who's the LCMS social media manager.

01:07:59 – 01:08:05:	Now, interesting thing about Slayton's following, as far as we can tell based on the timing,

01:08:05 – 01:08:10:	Slayton was already following Makai Reaction on Twitter before they dropped any docs, which

01:08:10 – 01:08:15:	is interesting because that blog and that account were literally set up for the purpose

01:08:15 – 01:08:17:	of doxing Corey.

01:08:17 – 01:08:19:	There'd never been any activity previously.

01:08:19 – 01:08:22:	The first thing that they did was to dox Corey.

01:08:22 – 01:08:25:	No one had ever heard of him before until they showed up.

01:08:25 – 01:08:30:	By all accounts, it appears that Peter Slayton had prior knowledge that Makai Reaction was

01:08:30 – 01:08:34:	going to be doing this, which is relevant because he's an LCMS employee.

01:08:34 – 01:08:36:	Kilcrease is an employee.

01:08:36 – 01:08:37:	Kilcrease is part of CTCR.

01:08:37 – 01:08:40:	As far as I know, I don't think he's remunerated for that.

01:08:40 – 01:08:41:	Slayton is salaried.

01:08:41 – 01:08:44:	He's paid a lot of money.

01:08:44 – 01:08:48:	He has had an axe to grind against Corey for years.

01:08:48 – 01:08:55:	In fact, the Book of Concord disaster that Corey can link in the show notes as well, Joshua

01:08:55 – 01:09:00:	Shear and Peter Slayton were two of the men instrumental in removing the Book of Concord

01:09:00 – 01:09:03:	from the internet because they hated Corey so much.

01:09:03 – 01:09:10:	In secret, those men spread slander and lies about Corey destroying his reputation so that

01:09:10 – 01:09:16:	they could try to steal the work that he had done with Paul McCain's senior's approval

01:09:16 – 01:09:19:	to redesign the Book of Concord website.

01:09:19 – 01:09:24:	The fact that Slayton, who hates Corey, who's been destroying his reputation for years,

01:09:24 – 01:09:31:	would be one of the very first people following the Antifa Twitter account and that Bethany

01:09:31 – 01:09:36:	Kilcrease would follow right in his wake is very telling.

01:09:36 – 01:09:41:	This is circumstantial evidence, but the more of this stuff that piles up, the more clear

01:09:41 – 01:09:48:	it is that the LCMS, ALC, and Antifa have all been colluding since the very beginning

01:09:48 – 01:09:54:	of all of this in response to the large cataclysm and layman pushing against it.

01:09:54 – 01:09:58:	I guess we should probably point out at some point that Makaira is Greek for slaughter

01:09:58 – 01:10:02:	knife, something that those who have not read some of the materials surrounding this will

01:10:02 – 01:10:07:	not know, so it's very clear what the sort of mindset and intent of those doing these

01:10:07 – 01:10:08:	things.

01:10:08 – 01:10:12:	Well, what their mindset is.

01:10:12 – 01:10:20:	But moving on from there, the very next day, that Tuesday the 14th, a friend of mine at

01:10:20 – 01:10:25:	the congregation who has now also left that congregation was interrogated for nearly four

01:10:25 – 01:10:34:	hours by Pastor Manum, by the elders, and by Pastor Graves, the circuit visitor.

01:10:34 – 01:10:39:	Basically, he was interrogated for being my friend, because we would go out and get beers

01:10:39 – 01:10:41:	after the service.

01:10:41 – 01:10:46:	We sat next to each other in the congregation in the sanctuary.

01:10:46 – 01:10:53:	And so he was placed under the lesser ban, essentially, for associating with me, because

01:10:53 – 01:10:56:	he wasn't given any charges.

01:10:56 – 01:10:59:	He was actually given a chance to defend himself, whereas I was not even given the chance to

01:10:59 – 01:11:06:	speak, except insofar as I did comment as I was packing up my things to leave, of course.

01:11:06 – 01:11:11:	But he was placed under the lesser ban because of his association with me.

01:11:11 – 01:11:14:	And that is a theme that we see throughout all of this.

01:11:14 – 01:11:16:	It is guilt by association.

01:11:16 – 01:11:24:	Now, drawing out something about a man by virtue of those with whom he spends his time

01:11:24 – 01:11:28:	is one thing, and you can't do that to some degree.

01:11:28 – 01:11:35:	But you cannot place someone under the lesser ban because he has a friend with whom you disagree.

01:11:35 – 01:11:39:	The lesser ban means he's barred from communion, means that Indy was not allowed to commune

01:11:39 – 01:11:45:	to that congregation anymore, which itself is an explicit statement that you are in a

01:11:45 – 01:11:48:	state of open, unrepentant sin.

01:11:48 – 01:11:53:	Effectively, you are going to hell unless you repent for what we're charging you for.

01:11:53 – 01:11:54:	What did they charge him with?

01:11:54 – 01:11:56:	No sin of his own.

01:11:56 – 01:12:01:	When the three and a half hour interrogation of Indy amounted to questions about things

01:12:01 – 01:12:06:	that Corey had said, nothing that Indy had said, what did Corey say and did he agree

01:12:06 – 01:12:07:	with it?

01:12:07 – 01:12:13:	And he was told that if he didn't completely disavow Corey, he would be excommunicated.

01:12:13 – 01:12:17:	And they immediately placed him under the lesser ban because he refused to disavow his

01:12:17 – 01:12:21:	friend for what his friend had said, regardless of whether or not he'd agreed with any thing

01:12:21 – 01:12:25:	Corey had said, which is important because this comes up again later.

01:12:25 – 01:12:30:	This is a script that was written by Synod that was delivered to these men.

01:12:30 – 01:12:36:	Because remember, Manum had no interest in tangling with Corey before Makaira Action.

01:12:36 – 01:12:40:	He had no interest in placing him under the lesser ban, excommunication, nothing.

01:12:40 – 01:12:44:	He never dared to challenge Corey until this happened.

01:12:44 – 01:12:46:	The very next week, what does he do?

01:12:46 – 01:12:48:	He bars one of his friends from Communion.

01:12:48 – 01:12:52:	Now, if you're a pastor and you're listening to this, your blood pressure should be through

01:12:52 – 01:12:54:	the roof.

01:12:54 – 01:12:56:	You heard about it when it happened to Ryan Ternopseed.

01:12:56 – 01:13:00:	We're telling you for the first time, that was not the first time that this happened.

01:13:00 – 01:13:02:	This evil is scripted.

01:13:02 – 01:13:05:	It's coming from Matt Harris and the False Prophet in St. Louis.

01:13:05 – 01:13:09:	And it's being done in defense of what?

01:13:09 – 01:13:10:	You know what?

01:13:10 – 01:13:16:	Church cataclysm, pedophilia advocacy, minimizing every heinous sin and making things into sins

01:13:16 – 01:13:18:	that are not sins at all.

01:13:18 – 01:13:22:	This is being done in the name of Christ, which is something that Paris is going to say shortly.

01:13:22 – 01:13:24:	This is a profound evil.

01:13:24 – 01:13:29:	And so the lesser ban is saying that he's an open sin for being friends with Corey.

01:13:29 – 01:13:30:	Is that church doctrine?

01:13:30 – 01:13:31:	No.

01:13:31 – 01:13:32:	Is it Alinsky's rules?

01:13:32 – 01:13:33:	Yes.

01:13:33 – 01:13:40:	So that same day, Manum sent me an email asking me not to attend the midweek service, because

01:13:40 – 01:13:44:	of course, we're dealing with Lent here.

01:13:44 – 01:13:50:	And so I agreed as an explicit show of good faith, but, and this is something I don't

01:13:50 – 01:13:56:	always do, I requested a copy of the Constitution and bylaws in exchange, as it were, for my

01:13:56 – 01:14:01:	show of good faith and not attending because he mentioned security concerns.

01:14:01 – 01:14:08:	And when anti-fuzz and play, I think it is fair to the elders to give them that consideration

01:14:08 – 01:14:14:	of a day or really the better part of a week to deal with any concerns considering that

01:14:14 – 01:14:16:	radical group.

01:14:16 – 01:14:20:	And so as a sign of good faith, I agreed not to attend the midweek service.

01:14:20 – 01:14:25:	But the reason that I requested a copy of the Constitution and bylaws is that I was telegraphing

01:14:25 – 01:14:31:	to Pastor Manum that I was well aware of the restrictions on how he could proceed with

01:14:31 – 01:14:33:	an excommunication.

01:14:33 – 01:14:39:	I wanted him to know that if he did not follow the bylaws to the letter, it would cause future

01:14:39 – 01:14:41:	problems.

01:14:41 – 01:14:44:	Of course, they did not follow the bylaws.

01:14:44 – 01:14:51:	As I mentioned in my article, the requirement for excommunication at first Lutheran is that

01:14:51 – 01:14:54:	the vote of the congregation be unanimous.

01:14:55 – 01:15:01:	Now, the reason, part of the reason, they placed Indy under the lesser ban is that they

01:15:01 – 01:15:06:	were going to try to argue that because he was under the lesser ban, he was no longer

01:15:06 – 01:15:07:	a member.

01:15:07 – 01:15:08:	That's not, of course, the case.

01:15:08 – 01:15:12:	The way the bylaws work is that you are a member until you're excommunicated.

01:15:12 – 01:15:18:	And so the vote having to be unanimous, they would never be able to excommunicate me simply

01:15:18 – 01:15:22:	because Indy was still a member of the congregation.

01:15:22 – 01:15:24:	Now there were other individuals as well.

01:15:24 – 01:15:25:	I have to stop and correct you.

01:15:25 – 01:15:27:	That's not actually true.

01:15:27 – 01:15:32:	You had the original copy of first Lutheran's bylaws, which did say unanimous.

01:15:32 – 01:15:36:	So after Indy's meeting, that was what we believed.

01:15:36 – 01:15:42:	When you did later get a copy of them, they had amended those bylaws to make it two-thirds.

01:15:42 – 01:15:43:	So whether or not Indy was present.

01:15:43 – 01:15:45:	There's a technicality there.

01:15:45 – 01:15:46:	Is there?

01:15:46 – 01:15:47:	Okay.

01:15:47 – 01:15:48:	Yeah, there is.

01:15:48 – 01:15:51:	The technicality in it, and I think it's good that they did this, it's actually reasonable.

01:15:51 – 01:15:55:	It's a two-thirds vote if the accused is not present.

01:15:55 – 01:15:59:	If the accused is present, it is unanimous.

01:15:59 – 01:16:05:	And so the problem for them is that the accused must be present.

01:16:05 – 01:16:06:	That is in the bylaws.

01:16:06 – 01:16:12:	The only way that they are allowed to resort to that two-thirds option is if the accused,

01:16:12 – 01:16:15:	in this case, if I refuse to attend.

01:16:15 – 01:16:18:	If I refuse to attend, they need a two-thirds vote.

01:16:18 – 01:16:22:	I didn't refuse to attend, as we will get to soon enough.

01:16:22 – 01:16:24:	They barred me from the property.

01:16:24 – 01:16:27:	And so they didn't follow the rules at any...

01:16:27 – 01:16:33:	Everything they did was a violation of the bylaws to say nothing of the various injunctions

01:16:33 – 01:16:36:	in Scripture with regard to how you were to treat a fellow Christian.

01:16:36 – 01:16:44:	So no, according to the civil law, they have just completely and utterly, well, they're

01:16:44 – 01:16:47:	screwed to be blunt.

01:16:47 – 01:16:53:	But to move on from there, there's a sort of note in between things that are happening

01:16:53 – 01:16:56:	in my story here.

01:16:56 – 01:17:04:	Lutherans for racial justice on that Thursday, the 16th, discuss the Antifa docks, and they

01:17:04 – 01:17:11:	divulge having had prior knowledge of Harrison's press release, which comes out not yet.

01:17:11 – 01:17:12:	It comes out on the 21st.

01:17:12 – 01:17:17:	So they're pointing out five days before that they know that a press release is coming

01:17:17 – 01:17:18:	from Harrison.

01:17:18 – 01:17:24:	And this is the discussion between Matt Gonzalez and Ken Ferry, who is the latter running for

01:17:24 – 01:17:28:	president of the LCMS.

01:17:28 – 01:17:34:	But now to return to what is happening to me in this timeline, that Friday, the 17th,

01:17:34 – 01:17:40:	Monum emailed me again to ask this time that I not attend the divine service on Sunday.

01:17:40 – 01:17:42:	This time I declined.

01:17:42 – 01:17:48:	I pointed out that not attending the midweek service, and I always attend midweek services.

01:17:48 – 01:17:52:	I pointed out that not attending the midweek service was a sign of good faith, that he

01:17:52 – 01:17:56:	had had adequate time, and that I would be attending the service.

01:17:56 – 01:18:03:	I additionally texted him to make sure that he checked his email so he knew that I was

01:18:03 – 01:18:08:	intending to attend the service, and that he would have adequate time to prepare as

01:18:08 – 01:18:10:	it were.

01:18:10 – 01:18:17:	Notably, he said in his email that he sent via certified letter a copy of the email.

01:18:17 – 01:18:18:	I never actually received that one.

01:18:18 – 01:18:20:	I don't have reason to believe he didn't send it.

01:18:20 – 01:18:27:	I think that most likely USPS has it somewhere, and I just didn't get a notification.

01:18:27 – 01:18:34:	But he sent his email on Friday, I sent my reply actually on the 18th on Saturday.

01:18:34 – 01:18:43:	Then on the 19th, that Sunday, as always, I got ready to attend the service at 9.30,

01:18:43 – 01:18:47:	which is when the divine service, there's one service, the divine service at 1st Lutheran.

01:18:47 – 01:18:55:	I picked up donuts in the morning, as I usually do, as I've done every week, and I drove to

01:18:55 – 01:18:56:	the church.

01:18:56 – 01:19:03:	However, it would seem that God did not want to give Pastor Monim the opportunity to actually

01:19:03 – 01:19:06:	talk to me about these issues.

01:19:06 – 01:19:12:	Because for those who don't know me personally, and maybe didn't pay particularly close attention

01:19:12 – 01:19:17:	to what Antifa said, I am always on time for the divine service.

01:19:17 – 01:19:24:	I have been late, I believe, twice in the past six to ten years.

01:19:24 – 01:19:29:	And by one of those, I mean late by ten seconds, literally ten seconds.

01:19:29 – 01:19:33:	This time, for the first time in ten years, I was actually late.

01:19:33 – 01:19:37:	I was probably fifteen or twenty minutes late.

01:19:37 – 01:19:44:	And the reason for that is that I witnessed, directly in front of me, a chase, crash, and

01:19:44 – 01:19:46:	then foot chase with the police.

01:19:46 – 01:19:53:	They, some individual, probably on drugs, pulled out from a side street, directly in

01:19:53 – 01:19:58:	front of me while I was on my way to church, got chased by two squad cars, crashed into

01:19:58 – 01:20:03:	the median, completely blocked the road, jumped out of his car, took off, the police tackled

01:20:03 – 01:20:04:	him.

01:20:04 – 01:20:06:	It took a while for me to get out of there.

01:20:06 – 01:20:11:	I gave a brief statement because, of course, I saw basically the entire thing.

01:20:11 – 01:20:13:	And so I was late.

01:20:13 – 01:20:18:	The reason that it is salient that I was late is that Pastor Manum and the elders were

01:20:18 – 01:20:23:	standing outside waiting for me to show up so they could intercept me because they had

01:20:23 – 01:20:25:	called the police on me.

01:20:25 – 01:20:30:	Well, I didn't get to talk to Pastor Manum because of that delay.

01:20:30 – 01:20:35:	I did get to talk to, well, really only the police because the elders would not talk to

01:20:35 – 01:20:36:	me.

01:20:36 – 01:20:40:	I had a copy of the Constitution and Bylaws and these various other things to point out

01:20:40 – 01:20:44:	where they were clearly in the wrong because that is the Christian response.

01:20:44 – 01:20:48:	When you have an erring brother or erstwhile brother, former brother, however we want to

01:20:48 – 01:20:53:	say this, you point out to him when he is in the wrong, where he is in the wrong, why

01:20:53 – 01:20:56:	he is wrong and hope that he will repent.

01:20:56 – 01:20:58:	That was my goal.

01:20:58 – 01:21:03:	It did not turn out that way for reasons well beyond my control.

01:21:03 – 01:21:06:	And so I talked to the police and that video is available.

01:21:06 – 01:21:08:	You can watch that.

01:21:08 – 01:21:12:	The police were very polite and they did their job.

01:21:12 – 01:21:17:	Obviously, I explained some of it to them for the purpose of having the video and for

01:21:17 – 01:21:21:	the purpose of the elders who were still standing there because I know the police can't do anything

01:21:21 – 01:21:22:	about this.

01:21:22 – 01:21:26:	This is a matter for the civil courts if it goes to that, not for the police to solve

01:21:26 – 01:21:28:	that in there.

01:21:28 – 01:21:33:	It's important to note with regard to threats.

01:21:33 – 01:21:37:	There were no threats from Antifa or anyone else.

01:21:37 – 01:21:43:	Interestingly, if you look at the original Makai reaction docs of you, the only demands

01:21:43 – 01:21:49:	that Antifa made were excommunicate you from your church and bar you from going back to

01:21:49 – 01:21:51:	that brewery.

01:21:51 – 01:21:54:	They subsequently got their wish on both counts.

01:21:54 – 01:21:55:	There was never any direct threat.

01:21:55 – 01:21:58:	I do like they included the brewery one.

01:21:58 – 01:21:59:	Yeah.

01:21:59 – 01:22:00:	It's so ridiculous.

01:22:00 – 01:22:05:	It goes to Luther's explanation where he talks about how Satan doesn't want us to even have

01:22:05 – 01:22:07:	a morsel of food and peace.

01:22:07 – 01:22:09:	That's literally what happened here.

01:22:09 – 01:22:13:	And so there were idiot pastors on Twitter and there are all these slanders elsewhere

01:22:13 – 01:22:18:	saying you were a threat to the church or Antifa was a threat to the church that there

01:22:18 – 01:22:21:	was direct physical threats.

01:22:21 – 01:22:24:	Every single such claim is absolutely false.

01:22:24 – 01:22:29:	There is only slander coming from within the Missouri Senate and specifically coming from

01:22:29 – 01:22:35:	Manum and 1st Lutheran of Knoxville to claim that there was some sort of unspecified threat

01:22:35 – 01:22:37:	of violence.

01:22:37 – 01:22:39:	That was the basis for no trespassing you.

01:22:39 – 01:22:43:	And so they didn't get a restraining order, but what they did, a lesser version of it,

01:22:43 – 01:22:49:	but effectively the same thing is to no trespass you, which means your name is now permanently

01:22:49 – 01:22:52:	in the police records with that address.

01:22:52 – 01:22:58:	And so at any point in the future, if Corey ever sets foot on 1st Lutheran property, he

01:22:58 – 01:23:03:	will be immediately subject to arrest without appeal because by saying you are trespassing

01:23:03 – 01:23:10:	if you come back, it basically primes any future contact to be automatically a crime.

01:23:10 – 01:23:15:	So it's kind of like a restraining order except it doesn't have to have additional buffers.

01:23:15 – 01:23:18:	And that stands to this day.

01:23:18 – 01:23:22:	Corey is permanently barred from returning to his church.

01:23:22 – 01:23:26:	And see, there are people who don't like Corey, who don't like what he says, who think he's

01:23:27 – 01:23:34:	a heretic, even if you're 100% correct that Corey is the monster that the LCMS says he

01:23:35 – 01:23:41:	is, is this how you deal with someone who's not actually causing problems?

01:23:41 – 01:23:45:	And one of the amazing thing that played out subsequently is that Hans Feeney and some

01:23:45 – 01:23:50:	of these other chicken pastors went so far as to say, well, of course they would bar

01:23:50 – 01:23:51:	him from being there.

01:23:51 – 01:23:53:	He would just speak in his own defense.

01:23:53 – 01:23:56:	Why would we let him proclaim Hitler in church?

01:23:56 – 01:23:58:	Because that's anything you've ever done.

01:23:58 – 01:24:05:	And so again, this is pure Alinskyi tactics to prevent you from ever physically being

01:24:05 – 01:24:09:	there again, is complete personal destruction.

01:24:09 – 01:24:13:	And any bystanders, you think, well, anybody who gets thrown out of church and the cops

01:24:13 – 01:24:15:	are called, he's got to be bad.

01:24:15 – 01:24:16:	And that's the whole point.

01:24:16 – 01:24:23:	The optics of the situation are so evil in terms of the person who's being targeted that

01:24:23 – 01:24:26:	most people are just going to say, well, he must have done something.

01:24:26 – 01:24:28:	Corey must have done something.

01:24:28 – 01:24:31:	He wouldn't be subjected to this if he hadn't done something.

01:24:31 – 01:24:32:	And that's all it takes.

01:24:32 – 01:24:33:	That's not Christian.

01:24:33 – 01:24:36:	That's not consistent with the eighth commandment.

01:24:36 – 01:24:40:	And yet it's the only thing that we've seen within our own church.

01:24:40 – 01:24:45:	And yes, it is worth mentioning that I am also barred from going back to Schultzbräu,

01:24:45 – 01:24:48:	which is the brewery where I used to go with Indy.

01:24:48 – 01:24:52:	And we would record Tisseraiden, which is have a number of episodes of that up.

01:24:52 – 01:24:54:	I may finish editing the others and release them.

01:24:55 – 01:24:58:	There's really no reason not to do that now.

01:24:58 – 01:25:03:	But they managed to get me barred from that because of the Antifa docs.

01:25:03 – 01:25:06:	And again, this is a family owned business.

01:25:06 – 01:25:10:	I don't entirely blame them because they are afraid of what could be done to their

01:25:10 – 01:25:12:	business by this violent group.

01:25:13 – 01:25:19:	And so everyone knows that Antifa is a violent, leftist, a radical group that will firebomb

01:25:19 – 01:25:21:	your business, say.

01:25:21 – 01:25:23:	And so I don't I don't blame them for that.

01:25:23 – 01:25:26:	So please don't send them nasty messages or anything like that.

01:25:26 – 01:25:28:	It's it's not their fault.

01:25:28 – 01:25:31:	They got caught up in things that are beyond their control.

01:25:31 – 01:25:33:	Just leave them be.

01:25:34 – 01:25:40:	But that same Sunday, Pastor Monum announces from the pulpit, actually not from the pulpit.

01:25:40 – 01:25:44:	He's it's from the the lectern, the lectern at first Lutherans on the left,

01:25:44 – 01:25:45:	the pulpits on the right.

01:25:45 – 01:25:50:	He announced from the lectern that there were some issues and they had been dealt

01:25:50 – 01:25:54:	with, and he did this with a smile, and you can watch the video and judge for

01:25:54 – 01:25:57:	yourself what exactly is going on there.

01:25:58 – 01:26:05:	And so we move on to President Harrison's press release, as it were on the 21st of

01:26:05 – 01:26:11:	February, and that is President Harrison denounces disturbing ideologies.

01:26:12 – 01:26:18:	And essentially, this is his comment where he denounces the alt right and

01:26:18 – 01:26:20:	racist and all these various other things.

01:26:21 – 01:26:26:	He basically lists out Satan's talking points, the left's talking points, and says

01:26:26 – 01:26:30:	that he denounces them in the name of the Missouri Synod, in the name of the

01:26:30 – 01:26:34:	president of the Missouri Synod, the vice presidents of the Missouri Synod, the

01:26:34 – 01:26:38:	35 district presidents of the Missouri Synod, the ministerium, the congregations.

01:26:39 – 01:26:44:	Basically, he says that he does this in the name of the entire LCMS and in the

01:26:44 – 01:26:44:	name of Christ.

01:26:45 – 01:26:51:	And what is denounced is the horrible and racist teachings to quote him of the

01:26:51 – 01:26:59:	so-called alt right in Toto, which is to include white supremacy, Nazism, pro

01:26:59 – 01:27:05:	slavery, anti-interracial marriage, women as property, fascism, death to

01:27:05 – 01:27:06:	homosexuals, even genocide.

01:27:09 – 01:27:12:	Now those who have actually read the Old Testament may notice that there are some

01:27:12 – 01:27:13:	problems here.

01:27:13 – 01:27:18:	Because the Old Testament, as we have mentioned previously, does not ban

01:27:18 – 01:27:23:	slavery, in fact, tells the Israelites to take slaves in some cases.

01:27:25 – 01:27:29:	We'll ignore some of the other ones, but I will point out that the so-called

01:27:29 – 01:27:37:	death to homosexuals, one, we haven't actually called for that, except in so

01:27:37 – 01:27:42:	far as perhaps we have quoted the Old Testament, because that is what God

01:27:42 – 01:27:44:	says in the Old Testament.

01:27:44 – 01:27:49:	And of course, genocide, that would be a correct characterization of what God

01:27:49 – 01:27:51:	commanded Israel to do to the Canaanites.

01:27:51 – 01:27:57:	So this is Matt Harrison, in the name of the LCMS, in the name of the

01:27:57 – 01:28:01:	entirety of the leadership of the LCMS, in the name of all the congregations of

01:28:01 – 01:28:05:	the LCMS, condemning the Old Testament.

01:28:06 – 01:28:12:	If this isn't at least Marcionism, I don't know what this is, but this is

01:28:12 – 01:28:13:	incredibly wicked.

01:28:13 – 01:28:15:	This is a rejection of Christianity.

01:28:16 – 01:28:20:	Matt Harrison is not a Christian, because a Christian could not write this.

01:28:22 – 01:28:25:	And we waited six weeks before we responded to it.

01:28:25 – 01:28:30:	The episode that you've probably heard against the Antichrist was a line-by-line

01:28:30 – 01:28:31:	refutation of that.

01:28:31 – 01:28:37:	What's particularly interesting about the death for homosexuals line is that in

01:28:37 – 01:28:43:	the news just this past week, the nation of Uganda has passed laws which permit

01:28:43 – 01:28:48:	that it is now legal in Uganda for the state to execute homosexuals.

01:28:49 – 01:28:53:	And all manner of homosexuality is now illegal, including grooming, and

01:28:53 – 01:28:59:	interestingly, including publication of anything that advocates such, which would

01:28:59 – 01:29:04:	mean that the LCMS, CPH, based on some of the things that were written in the new

01:29:04 – 01:29:09:	large catechism, they could make a case in Uganda that the CPH would be breaking

01:29:09 – 01:29:11:	the law and be stripped of their license to publish there.

01:29:12 – 01:29:15:	So that's interesting for a couple of reasons.

01:29:15 – 01:29:17:	One, it's not completely out of left field.

01:29:17 – 01:29:23:	Not only is it still in scripture, it's still the law in many places, and it's

01:29:23 – 01:29:27:	relevant to the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod in particular, because this

01:29:28 – 01:29:33:	coming July, the LCMS is going to be voting on full altar and pulpit

01:29:33 – 01:29:37:	fellowship with the Ugandan Lutheran Church, with the church in the very

01:29:37 – 01:29:42:	nation that has now passed this law that says that homosexuals can and should be

01:29:42 – 01:29:43:	executed.

01:29:43 – 01:29:47:	So I'm really curious to see how that plays out.

01:29:47 – 01:29:53:	Is the Ugandan Lutheran Church going to be made to denounce this in the name of

01:29:53 – 01:29:56:	so-called Christ as the false prophet Matt Harrison did?

01:29:56 – 01:30:00:	If he's consistent, he'll say, well, yeah, sure, you're black, sure, you're

01:30:00 – 01:30:02:	African, but you still got to follow the rules.

01:30:03 – 01:30:09:	Or is this alt-right hysteria something that came from Jack Kilkrease's mouth?

01:30:10 – 01:30:11:	It's, of course, the latter.

01:30:11 – 01:30:14:	I don't think they're going to say anything about the Lutheran church in

01:30:14 – 01:30:18:	Uganda, because all they care about is scoring political points and also

01:30:18 – 01:30:19:	protecting sodomites.

01:30:20 – 01:30:24:	And getting back to the initial point about the pedacism and something we've

01:30:24 – 01:30:29:	said on a previous episode, sodomites reproduced by raping children.

01:30:30 – 01:30:32:	The two are directly connected.

01:30:32 – 01:30:37:	If you know someone who describes themselves as homosexual, gay, whatever

01:30:37 – 01:30:42:	euphemism they use, they are almost certainly the victim of child rape.

01:30:42 – 01:30:43:	That's a terrible thing.

01:30:44 – 01:30:49:	And as a Christian to acknowledge that this horrible thing was done to them as a

01:30:49 – 01:30:55:	child, it's an important part of making them whole within the church, because by

01:30:55 – 01:31:01:	and large, sodomites who live that lifestyle as adults are doing so, specifically

01:31:01 – 01:31:04:	as a coping mechanism for the horrors that were done to them as children.

01:31:05 – 01:31:10:	So see, all these nasty, vile, disgusting things that are difficult to even talk

01:31:10 – 01:31:12:	about, they're part and parcel.

01:31:13 – 01:31:18:	And for the Missouri Synod to give up ground on any one of these things, on

01:31:18 – 01:31:22:	doing something that Jesus said, you'd be better off having a millstone

01:31:22 – 01:31:26:	tied around your neck on the last day than to do this to one of these little

01:31:26 – 01:31:32:	children, the church that we belong to, that I still belong to, Corey has been

01:31:32 – 01:31:33:	falsely excommunicated.

01:31:33 – 01:31:35:	He's not, he's still a Lutheran.

01:31:35 – 01:31:38:	He's still an LCMS Lutheran, unless he doesn't want to be anymore.

01:31:38 – 01:31:41:	But as we made clear, we take our vows seriously.

01:31:41 – 01:31:44:	False prophets don't get to kick men out of the church.

01:31:44 – 01:31:45:	It just doesn't happen.

01:31:45 – 01:31:46:	It's not real.

01:31:47 – 01:31:48:	They broke all the rules.

01:31:48 – 01:31:49:	They lied in God's name.

01:31:49 – 01:31:52:	They continue lying in God's name, which is the reason that we

01:31:52 – 01:31:53:	will continue to fight.

01:31:54 – 01:31:59:	One other interesting thing to note, the 21st of February is when Harrison

01:31:59 – 01:32:02:	posted his screed on the LCMS.

01:32:03 – 01:32:06:	Actually, it didn't initially go out on the LCMS website.

01:32:06 – 01:32:07:	We should mention the timeline.

01:32:07 – 01:32:11:	He initially posted this on Facebook and not directly.

01:32:11 – 01:32:16:	It was a letter that was sent, I think, to the DPs and it was immediately

01:32:16 – 01:32:17:	leaked on Facebook.

01:32:17 – 01:32:19:	It went into wide circulation.

01:32:19 – 01:32:23:	We immediately circulated it because it directly names, not us by name, but it

01:32:23 – 01:32:30:	makes very clear that this screed is directed against the men online who

01:32:30 – 01:32:31:	oppose the large cataclysm.

01:32:32 – 01:32:35:	So Harrison specifically says that we are being personally targeted by what he says.

01:32:36 – 01:32:38:	He didn't have the guts to publish it personally.

01:32:38 – 01:32:42:	He leaked it on Facebook through an ally, through an agent.

01:32:43 – 01:32:47:	And then a couple of days later, published it on the internet for everyone, on

01:32:47 – 01:32:48:	the official LCMS blog.

01:32:48 – 01:32:52:	What's interesting about the timing is that this was after sundown, prior to

01:32:52 – 01:32:57:	Ash Wednesday, Corey's Church has weekly services throughout the year, or at

01:32:57 – 01:32:58:	least was prior to this.

01:32:58 – 01:33:02:	So the Wednesday service was actually outside of Lent.

01:33:02 – 01:33:04:	Lent began the very next week.

01:33:04 – 01:33:07:	And so Ash Wednesday is the next day in our timeline.

01:33:08 – 01:33:14:	Harrison waited until sundown, effectively in the Jewish way of measuring time.

01:33:14 – 01:33:16:	Sundown is the beginning of the next day.

01:33:17 – 01:33:23:	And so it was effectively Ash Wednesday when this attack by Synod was launched

01:33:23 – 01:33:27:	against Stone Choir and against anyone who agrees with anything we said.

01:33:27 – 01:33:31:	Because we said, Indy was told he is not a Christian.

01:33:31 – 01:33:34:	He is an unrepentant sin for being friends with Corey, for listening to the

01:33:34 – 01:33:38:	things that he said, not repeating them, just listening, just being friends.

01:33:38 – 01:33:39:	You're listening.

01:33:40 – 01:33:42:	You may or may not consider yourself friends.

01:33:42 – 01:33:45:	You are also no longer a Christian because you hear our voices.

01:33:46 – 01:33:48:	That's what Matt Harrison wants the whole world to think.

01:33:48 – 01:33:53:	And what's funny is that February, our audience was way smaller than it is today.

01:33:53 – 01:33:56:	We've at least doubled, maybe tripled in size since then.

01:33:56 – 01:34:03:	So all the hysteria has not tamped down interest in true sound teaching, but it

01:34:03 – 01:34:08:	has brought attention from the world to there's something going on here.

01:34:08 – 01:34:11:	If these men who are doing these things are so afraid of a couple guys of the

01:34:11 – 01:34:14:	podcast, maybe it's worth finding out why.

01:34:14 – 01:34:15:	So we're glad you're still listening.

01:34:16 – 01:34:21:	Yes, I should have mentioned that it was pre-Lent or Shrove Tide, a term we no

01:34:21 – 01:34:24:	longer really use, which of course starts with Septuagosima Sunday.

01:34:25 – 01:34:28:	And so we had the midweek services as well.

01:34:29 – 01:34:36:	But you mentioned the issue of the sodomy laws and how recently those have

01:34:36 – 01:34:37:	existed.

01:34:37 – 01:34:41:	And so I'm going to actually link a second Supreme Court case, Lawrence v.

01:34:41 – 01:34:42:	Texas in this case.

01:34:42 – 01:34:44:	The previous one was Kennedy v.

01:34:44 – 01:34:44:	Louisiana.

01:34:46 – 01:34:51:	And that was the case that struck down anti-sodomy laws, or you can just

01:34:51 – 01:34:56:	call them sodomy laws in the U.S., struck them down as unconstitutional, saying

01:34:56 – 01:35:01:	that there is a substantive due process right to intimate consensual sexual

01:35:01 – 01:35:05:	conduct or contact in the U.S.

01:35:05 – 01:35:07:	And so that is now protected by U.S.

01:35:07 – 01:35:07:	law.

01:35:07 – 01:35:08:	And that was struck down.

01:35:08 – 01:35:12:	Many are going to think that, oh, that must have happened in the 60s or, you

01:35:12 – 01:35:14:	know, the 70s, the 80s are the latest.

01:35:14 – 01:35:15:	That was 2003.

01:35:16 – 01:35:24:	So the current mania, the current hysteria with regard to supposedly anti-sodomy

01:35:24 – 01:35:29:	opinions or anti-homosexual opinions is very new.

01:35:30 – 01:35:31:	It is novel.

01:35:31 – 01:35:32:	It is in the past handful of years.

01:35:33 – 01:35:36:	Satan is pushing for this stuff very hard.

01:35:37 – 01:35:40:	And he is pushing for it, not just in society, but also in the church.

01:35:40 – 01:35:45:	And men like Matt Harrison and Jack Kilkrease, Jordan Cooper, and so many

01:35:45 – 01:35:48:	others are facilitating what Satan is doing to the church.

01:35:49 – 01:35:51:	He has already done it to society.

01:35:51 – 01:35:53:	The church is the last bulwark against it.

01:35:53 – 01:35:58:	If the church falls, there is nothing to stop the horrors that are coming.

01:35:58 – 01:36:04:	And so that same day, Ash Wednesday, in this case, not the Tuesday, when

01:36:04 – 01:36:09:	Harrison released his statement, Ash reiterated to his pastor that Harrison

01:36:10 – 01:36:14:	was in part targeting him personally with that press release.

01:36:14 – 01:36:19:	And so the next day, Thursday, Ash was summoned to the church by his pastor.

01:36:20 – 01:36:25:	Again, you're going to note that this is a familiar sequence of events here.

01:36:25 – 01:36:31:	He was ambushed by the elderboard of his church and synod through DP

01:36:31 – 01:36:36:	Naren's asked Ash to resign as an elder of his church.

01:36:37 – 01:36:40:	I have some notes here from Ash that I want to reference in part.

01:36:41 – 01:36:44:	These are things that Ash said directly in his own defense.

01:36:44 – 01:36:48:	So this is something that we weren't personally witnessed to, but this is

01:36:48 – 01:36:53:	from the man who was targeted at this meeting where he was ambushed by his

01:36:53 – 01:36:54:	pastor with the elders.

01:36:54 – 01:36:55:	He wasn't told they were going to be there.

01:36:56 – 01:37:03:	He was explicitly told that he was put on the radar of synod because of the

01:37:03 – 01:37:04:	large cataclysm stream.

01:37:04 – 01:37:09:	So this is the day after alt-right ideologies, these disconcerting

01:37:09 – 01:37:14:	anti-unChristian beliefs are condemned in public by synod, by all the VPs and

01:37:14 – 01:37:15:	by all the DPs.

01:37:16 – 01:37:21:	Ash was told point blank, we have summoned you here because you were on

01:37:21 – 01:37:23:	that stream and he was on that stream.

01:37:23 – 01:37:27:	Every man on that stream has subsequently been targeted by synod.

01:37:27 – 01:37:28:	This is a fact.

01:37:28 – 01:37:32:	It is a provable fact with dozens of witnesses.

01:37:33 – 01:37:36:	He was asked to resign his eldership.

01:37:36 – 01:37:39:	One of the things that he was told was that he had at some point on Twitter

01:37:39 – 01:37:43:	had mentioned that he was an elder and that really set Harrison off.

01:37:43 – 01:37:48:	And so Harrison demanded through his DP Nairans, through his pastor, that he be

01:37:48 – 01:37:50:	removed as an elder.

01:37:50 – 01:37:56:	And there were some other things that were unrelated to any of this where he

01:37:56 – 01:37:58:	chose to step down as an elder.

01:37:58 – 01:38:03:	It was not his own wishes, but he did not also wish to fight.

01:38:04 – 01:38:08:	So he stepped down as an elder because Matt Harrison commanded it.

01:38:08 – 01:38:08:	Why?

01:38:08 – 01:38:09:	Because he was on the stream.

01:38:10 – 01:38:12:	Was there a single thing that he said on the stream that was false?

01:38:12 – 01:38:14:	No, absolutely not.

01:38:14 – 01:38:15:	It'll be in the show notes.

01:38:15 – 01:38:16:	You can go listen for yourself.

01:38:16 – 01:38:20:	Not one thing that he said or any of us said is not defensible.

01:38:20 – 01:38:23:	Even if you disagree with our opinions, the idea that someone would be placed

01:38:23 – 01:38:27:	under church discipline, told you're living in unrepentant sin, that you cannot

01:38:27 – 01:38:32:	receive the body and blood of Christ until you repent for what you said, for

01:38:32 – 01:38:38:	that level of scrutiny to be applied to for laymen who had comments about what

01:38:38 – 01:38:43:	the sin had published in our name is literally unprecedented.

01:38:44 – 01:38:47:	Nothing like this has ever happened in the history of the Missouri Senate.

01:38:47 – 01:38:49:	It may have happened in other church bodies.

01:38:49 – 01:38:49:	I don't know.

01:38:51 – 01:38:57:	He said that he claimed, Ash's pastor claimed that Matt Harrison had been

01:38:57 – 01:39:01:	subjected to threats of violence and that the authorities had been called to

01:39:01 – 01:39:05:	investigate the four of us who had been on the turnip stream.

01:39:06 – 01:39:10:	He stated that he believed it involved the local authorities where Ash lives and

01:39:10 – 01:39:11:	that the FBI was involved as well.

01:39:12 – 01:39:16:	He said the Synod watches the social media of certain members and maintains a

01:39:16 – 01:39:17:	database of dossiers on them.

01:39:18 – 01:39:21:	That list includes Ash and every other man on the stream.

01:39:21 – 01:39:23:	So what do we have here?

01:39:24 – 01:39:28:	We have behavior that would be more the fitting of Scientology.

01:39:28 – 01:39:30:	This is what happens in cults.

01:39:31 – 01:39:34:	Part of the reason we're doing this stream where it's running, we're almost

01:39:34 – 01:39:37:	two hours now, this might be a four hour stream.

01:39:37 – 01:39:39:	Sorry, or you're welcome if you're a trucker.

01:39:40 – 01:39:43:	We have a number of truckers who beg us for longer episodes.

01:39:43 – 01:39:45:	Some people like there's no endless and all that, whatever.

01:39:46 – 01:39:54:	The fact that Harrison, that his Synod is maintaining files on laymen to target

01:39:54 – 01:39:57:	them based on their opposition to him is screwed up.

01:39:58 – 01:39:59:	It is call behavior.

01:39:59 – 01:40:00:	That is, it's sick.

01:40:01 – 01:40:02:	Who does that?

01:40:02 – 01:40:05:	Well, the sort of man that publishes the pedochism is who does that?

01:40:05 – 01:40:10:	Because as he told the new editor of Christian News, don't you dare take my name

01:40:10 – 01:40:10:	in vain.

01:40:11 – 01:40:13:	You better not say anything negative about me.

01:40:13 – 01:40:14:	What do we do?

01:40:14 – 01:40:18:	We said that this is false doctrine and he said, that's about me.

01:40:18 – 01:40:19:	You said false doctrine.

01:40:19 – 01:40:22:	I know I'm a false shepherd.

01:40:22 – 01:40:23:	I know I'm a false prophet.

01:40:24 – 01:40:29:	Now, if you go back and listen to the turnip stream again, we were conciliatory.

01:40:29 – 01:40:30:	We held back.

01:40:31 – 01:40:34:	Corey and I in particular did not say many of the things that we wanted to say

01:40:34 – 01:40:35:	at that time.

01:40:35 – 01:40:39:	We knew that Harrison was going to be a scumbag because we knew he wasn't Christian.

01:40:40 – 01:40:44:	We held our tongues because at the moment of the stream, he had pulled back the

01:40:44 – 01:40:45:	cataclysm.

01:40:46 – 01:40:47:	We're going to let it play out.

01:40:47 – 01:40:51:	Whatever he wants to do in public, he's going to do in public and we will respond.

01:40:51 – 01:40:53:	We weren't going to try to get ahead of it and say how bad he was.

01:40:54 – 01:40:55:	Let him do what he's going to do.

01:40:56 – 01:41:01:	Either Scientology or the Stasi would be another one that would come to mind.

01:41:02 – 01:41:07:	The former internal security force of the DDR, the East German

01:41:08 – 01:41:12:	communist government, very keeping with what they do.

01:41:13 – 01:41:19:	When East Germany fell and they got into those records, it became clear that a

01:41:19 – 01:41:22:	quarter of the entire East German population was reporting on the rest.

01:41:23 – 01:41:27:	That's where the Senate is headed.

01:41:30 – 01:41:36:	One of the other things to highlight there is that we were targeted not only as

01:41:36 – 01:41:39:	Harrison maintaining dossiers on us, but he called the cops.

01:41:39 – 01:41:40:	Now think about that.

01:41:40 – 01:41:46:	He called the cops on four men who went on a stream and said, this is false doctrine.

01:41:46 – 01:41:48:	The pastor said that the FBI was involved.

01:41:49 – 01:41:54:	What's interesting about that, his pastor told him that the FBI had been involved

01:41:54 – 01:41:54:	in this stream.

01:41:54 – 01:41:57:	He said, May, he had heard the FBI.

01:41:57 – 01:42:04:	He knew that the same evening after Ash was told this by his pastor that the cops

01:42:04 – 01:42:09:	had been called on all four of us, that the FBI was looking into us, one of our

01:42:09 – 01:42:14:	other friends on Twitter who had nothing to do with the stream, but he was a Twitter

01:42:14 – 01:42:17:	mutual, so he had interacted with us.

01:42:17 – 01:42:22:	He got a knock on the door from the cops at 10 PM that evening, the same evening

01:42:22 – 01:42:26:	that Ash was told by his pastor, yeah, we called the cops.

01:42:26 – 01:42:27:	The Senate called the cops on you guys.

01:42:28 – 01:42:33:	Our friend got a knock on the door from the police who said, one of your tweets

01:42:33 – 01:42:38:	related to abortion was reported to the FBI, we're here to check on you.

01:42:38 – 01:42:39:	And they walked away.

01:42:39 – 01:42:42:	They said, there's nothing to charge you with a crime.

01:42:42 – 01:42:43:	We're going to report back.

01:42:43 – 01:42:44:	You have an FBI file.

01:42:44 – 01:42:46:	This contact is going in your FBI file.

01:42:47 – 01:42:52:	So in the same evening, we had two separate reports from friends saying the FBI

01:42:52 – 01:42:52:	has been contacted.

01:42:52 – 01:42:54:	The police have been called.

01:42:55 – 01:42:59:	After that, subsequent to that, like I think 1130 that night, I tweeted about the

01:42:59 – 01:43:00:	FBI.

01:43:00 – 01:43:04:	Now, Ash had told Corey and me that this had happened because again, is all this

01:43:04 – 01:43:06:	is unfolding in real time.

01:43:06 – 01:43:10:	We're just friends talking about what happened and is Ash going to keep secret

01:43:10 – 01:43:12:	that his pastor has told him authoritatively.

01:43:13 – 01:43:15:	The cops were called on all four of you.

01:43:15 – 01:43:18:	Of course, our friend is going to tell us that that's not any sort of conspiracy.

01:43:18 – 01:43:19:	That's just being a good friend.

01:43:19 – 01:43:22:	You know what, Senate called the cops on you.

01:43:22 – 01:43:23:	The FBI is involved.

01:43:23 – 01:43:27:	I would not have tweeted about the FBI being involved until our friend got a

01:43:27 – 01:43:30:	knock confirming that the FBI was called on all four of us.

01:43:31 – 01:43:32:	I have an FBI file.

01:43:32 – 01:43:35:	Now, I don't know if I did before, probably not because I'm not a criminal.

01:43:36 – 01:43:40:	Synod accused us of terrorism, accused us of violent threats.

01:43:40 – 01:43:46:	Synod opened an FBI file against us for speaking about false doctrine.

01:43:47 – 01:43:51:	When we say that Matt Harrison is a false prophet and a wolf and anti-Christ,

01:43:52 – 01:43:55:	this is why this is evil behavior.

01:43:55 – 01:43:59:	It is expressly prohibited by scripture for a Christian to go to the

01:43:59 – 01:44:02:	authorities against another Christian.

01:44:02 – 01:44:05:	And even on paper, I'm still a Christian.

01:44:05 – 01:44:08:	I'm still in good standing in my congregation.

01:44:08 – 01:44:10:	Nothing has been done to me.

01:44:10 – 01:44:13:	I am a Christian in fellowship with Matt, in theory.

01:44:13 – 01:44:16:	I have no fellowship with him because I have no fellowship with Satan.

01:44:17 – 01:44:21:	But the fact that these things are being done to us and that we were finding out

01:44:21 – 01:44:24:	in real time, we didn't say that this stuff, we intimated some of it.

01:44:24 – 01:44:29:	I warned other people, by the way, I had a duty to my followers to warn them.

01:44:30 – 01:44:34:	Employees of the LCMS are going through our timelines and calling the cops on us.

01:44:34 – 01:44:35:	You should be aware of that.

01:44:37 – 01:44:39:	That's, it's unconscionable.

01:44:39 – 01:44:40:	It is absolutely evil.

01:44:41 – 01:44:43:	Matt Harrison did this.

01:44:44 – 01:44:50:	And so this is something that those who engage on Twitter and elsewhere

01:44:50 – 01:44:52:	should probably consider.

01:44:53 – 01:44:58:	There are certain things that the FBI in particular, but law enforcement

01:44:58 – 01:45:03:	more generally are going to take, I wouldn't say seriously, but they're

01:45:03 – 01:45:04:	going to treat them as if they're serious.

01:45:04 – 01:45:06:	And one is critiquing abortion.

01:45:07 – 01:45:08:	I'm not telling you not to do so.

01:45:08 – 01:45:11:	I am saying that there are real considerations if you do.

01:45:12 – 01:45:14:	I've obviously staked out my position.

01:45:14 – 01:45:18:	I have an article on my site called Killing Abortionist's Moral, and it's

01:45:18 – 01:45:21:	been up since 2019 and I will not take it down.

01:45:22 – 01:45:25:	So I've very clearly chosen my position on this matter.

01:45:26 – 01:45:33:	But you can see with how society, the enforcers of society, react to these

01:45:33 – 01:45:40:	things, what they truly value and abortion is a sacrament for our society.

01:45:40 – 01:45:44:	It is a sacrament in our secular, so-called religion.

01:45:45 – 01:45:50:	And if you attack their idols, they are going to respond as you would expect

01:45:50 – 01:45:52:	someone to respond when you're attacking his God.

01:45:53 – 01:45:56:	Now, if only Christians would respond that way when people attack God, but

01:45:57 – 01:46:00:	that's a topic for another episode, perhaps.

01:46:02 – 01:46:04:	But we very much have attacked their gods.

01:46:04 – 01:46:08:	This is something that plays out in the course of Ash's interrogation

01:46:08 – 01:46:11:	by his pastors and his elders who ambushed him.

01:46:11 – 01:46:13:	He goes through what his gods are.

01:46:13 – 01:46:17:	He begins by saying, his pastor begins by saying that Ash is guilty by

01:46:17 – 01:46:19:	association with us.

01:46:19 – 01:46:20:	Where do we hear that before?

01:46:21 – 01:46:21:	With Indy.

01:46:22 – 01:46:26:	So at this point, when Ash told us he recounted what had happened in this

01:46:26 – 01:46:29:	interrogation, at this point, we knew it was a pattern.

01:46:30 – 01:46:32:	Corey obviously was directly targeted.

01:46:32 – 01:46:34:	He was read the riot act and then they called the cops.

01:46:35 – 01:46:38:	Indy was interrogated for three hours for guilt by association.

01:46:39 – 01:46:43:	Ash was interrogated for hours for guilt by association.

01:46:44 – 01:46:45:	The association with what?

01:46:45 – 01:46:48:	Association with Stonequire, with Corey, with me.

01:46:49 – 01:46:53:	And to get to the gods, the things that Corey had said and that I have said

01:46:53 – 01:46:59:	online that caused them to interrogate Ash to say, you're not a Christian,

01:46:59 – 01:47:05:	if you're friends with these men, they related to race, to interracial marriage,

01:47:06 – 01:47:11:	to a subjection of women, to the idea that perhaps women can be legally property.

01:47:12 – 01:47:16:	These are all things that we've done episodes on since then, not in response

01:47:16 – 01:47:21:	to this directly, but because these are the false gods of this age.

01:47:21 – 01:47:23:	Interracial marriage is an interesting one.

01:47:23 – 01:47:26:	We've hardly said anything about it on Stonequire.

01:47:26 – 01:47:28:	It's been mentioned as an aside.

01:47:28 – 01:47:33:	After Harrison vehemently defended it in his screed against us, we took a few

01:47:33 – 01:47:38:	minutes in that episode to talk about it, not to lay out a defense of what we think,

01:47:38 – 01:47:43:	but simply to point out that just like with sodomy laws, where Harrison doesn't

01:47:43 – 01:47:48:	think it should be illegal for sodomites, that it should be legal for sodomites to

01:47:48 – 01:47:51:	do whatever they're doing as long as they're not hurting anyone, basically,

01:47:51 – 01:47:55:	do as thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Lutheran confession.

01:47:55 – 01:47:56:	That's what he's saying.

01:47:57 – 01:48:01:	By the way, if it's bad, then they need Jesus, but they're not going to stop

01:48:01 – 01:48:03:	wanting to do those evil things.

01:48:03 – 01:48:06:	That's one of the things in the large cataclysm.

01:48:06 – 01:48:10:	If you are beset by these sins, there's no sanctification for you.

01:48:11 – 01:48:14:	If you want to rape children, you're always going to want it.

01:48:14 – 01:48:16:	If you're a sodomite, you're always going to want those things.

01:48:16 – 01:48:21:	It literally says that there's no hope for you, even in Christ, to be freed from such

01:48:21 – 01:48:26:	evil burdens, which is paddling false, is directly in contradiction to Scripture,

01:48:26 – 01:48:28:	to Christian doctrine, to Lutheran doctrine.

01:48:29 – 01:48:30:	Why is Harrison pushing it?

01:48:30 – 01:48:31:	Because he needs to.

01:48:32 – 01:48:34:	He needs to push these lies.

01:48:34 – 01:48:39:	One of the remarkable things that happened in this meeting on February 23rd

01:48:39 – 01:48:43:	was that another pastor's name was invoked slanderously.

01:48:43 – 01:48:48:	Ash's pastor directly went after Mark Pruice to attack Ash.

01:48:48 – 01:48:53:	I don't think Mark Pruice isn't on Twitter as far as I don't believe he is,

01:48:53 – 01:48:59:	but the fact that Mark Pruice had ever said anything related to the station of women

01:49:00 – 01:49:06:	with regard to the station of men is vis-a-vis gender equality, as is called today.

01:49:09 – 01:49:10:	Ash was interrogated.

01:49:10 – 01:49:13:	Do you, like Mark Pruice, say the women should not speak outside of the home

01:49:13 – 01:49:14:	and certainly not to other men?

01:49:18 – 01:49:22:	When Ash was surprised that he would invoke Mark Pruice's name,

01:49:23 – 01:49:27:	and Ash said something in fact they didn't think he went that hard, Ash's pastor said,

01:49:27 – 01:49:30:	oh yes, it's my understanding that he goes every bit as hard,

01:49:30 – 01:49:33:	and he's recruited other men in Wyoming to do this way of thinking,

01:49:33 – 01:49:37:	and they're starting a college to spread these views,

01:49:37 – 01:49:39:	to which Ash can only chuckle and say them why he's at a co-ed college.

01:49:40 – 01:49:45:	So this slander that's being directed and secret against us,

01:49:45 – 01:49:47:	if you pastors think you're skating by, you're not.

01:49:47 – 01:49:51:	This pastor, Ash's pastor, directly slandered Mark Pruice.

01:49:51 – 01:49:54:	These slander is a key part of all of this.

01:49:54 – 01:49:58:	The reason I'm giving this specific example publicly is that it's evil,

01:49:58 – 01:50:01:	it's malicious, and it's par for the course.

01:50:02 – 01:50:08:	Reputations are being destroyed in secret by pastors of the Missouri Senate every day.

01:50:08 – 01:50:13:	These Senate agents are freely lying about anyone they don't like,

01:50:13 – 01:50:16:	and for what? For saying what's in the Bible,

01:50:16 – 01:50:20:	to say that women should not speak in the church service, is in the Bible.

01:50:21 – 01:50:23:	Men who disagree with that disagree with God.

01:50:24 – 01:50:27:	And if you and I want to have an argument over it, that's fine.

01:50:27 – 01:50:28:	I don't think you're going to hell.

01:50:28 – 01:50:30:	I think you're wrong, and I think I can prove it from Scripture.

01:50:30 – 01:50:34:	These men will destroy your life, they'll destroy your reputation,

01:50:34 – 01:50:36:	and they will expel you from church for believing it.

01:50:36 – 01:50:39:	This is not a Christian church, this is a cult.

01:50:40 – 01:50:43:	So after attacking Ash for a Christian view of headship

01:50:43 – 01:50:46:	and interrogating whether he agreed with us that the Bible was right,

01:50:47 – 01:50:50:	the next question was, was he all right?

01:50:50 – 01:50:53:	And he sort of laughed because it's such an idiotic term.

01:50:53 – 01:50:55:	And it's a term that Harrison used.

01:50:55 – 01:50:57:	It's a term that Kilcrease has used for years.

01:50:58 – 01:51:04:	And when Ash asked what it was, one of the elders said a terrorist verbatim.

01:51:04 – 01:51:05:	He said, a terrorist.

01:51:05 – 01:51:08:	And Ash laughed because he thought he was joking, as that was so absurd.

01:51:08 – 01:51:10:	And he clarified that he was utterly serious.

01:51:11 – 01:51:14:	He stated that Ash said, I'm no terrorist.

01:51:14 – 01:51:19:	But the implication is that when Matt Harrison says, all right, he means terrorist.

01:51:19 – 01:51:21:	How do we know that?

01:51:21 – 01:51:22:	He called the FBI.

01:51:22 – 01:51:25:	Now, if you're paying attention to anything else in the new cycle,

01:51:25 – 01:51:27:	you know how important that is.

01:51:27 – 01:51:31:	Because the Biden administration is currently attempting to infiltrate Christian churches,

01:51:32 – 01:51:37:	specifically to look for violent white supremacist terrorism.

01:51:38 – 01:51:42:	What is the Missouri Synod giving to the FBI?

01:51:42 – 01:51:44:	Violent white supremacist terrorists.

01:51:44 – 01:51:45:	That is their claim.

01:51:47 – 01:51:49:	Harrison says that flat out in writing.

01:51:49 – 01:51:52:	And he's said it multiple times since then in public,

01:51:52 – 01:51:55:	in events that he thought were private, but they were not.

01:51:55 – 01:51:59:	Everything that Harrison does according to his public office is per se public.

01:51:59 – 01:52:03:	Unless it is a one-on-one thing within the past oral office,

01:52:03 – 01:52:05:	what he is doing is public conduct.

01:52:05 – 01:52:10:	So when he gets up at a convention or he gives a speech

01:52:10 – 01:52:14:	and he calls us white supremacists and makes illusions to us being terrorists,

01:52:15 – 01:52:17:	that endangers our lives.

01:52:17 – 01:52:20:	When he called the FBI, he endangered our lives.

01:52:20 – 01:52:22:	That's how people get swatted.

01:52:22 – 01:52:24:	That's how terrible things, violent things happen

01:52:24 – 01:52:27:	that are horrific tragedies.

01:52:27 – 01:52:31:	And the bloodshed is virtually always the target, which is the whole point.

01:52:31 – 01:52:35:	This intimidation, this threats, this is the terrorism.

01:52:35 – 01:52:37:	You want to talk about terrorism?

01:52:37 – 01:52:39:	What Antifa does is terrorism.

01:52:39 – 01:52:42:	When people are so afraid of the name Antifa

01:52:42 – 01:52:46:	that they'll kick you out because they're afraid of Antifa showing up,

01:52:46 – 01:52:49:	that is the threat of violence achieving their goals.

01:52:49 – 01:52:52:	That's literally what Senate is doing here

01:52:52 – 01:52:55:	by labeling us as alt-right and as terrorists saying that those are synonymous.

01:52:56 – 01:53:02:	That is jeopardizing our lives, our physical flesh and blood

01:53:02 – 01:53:04:	and our property and our reputations.

01:53:05 – 01:53:07:	This is not small stuff.

01:53:07 – 01:53:08:	And again, what started it?

01:53:09 – 01:53:12:	The large catechism with annotations.

01:53:13 – 01:53:13:	That's it.

01:53:14 – 01:53:15:	Here's some published something.

01:53:15 – 01:53:18:	We said, hey, there's some bad doctrine in here, cops called.

01:53:20 – 01:53:22:	That is, it's unspeakable.

01:53:24 – 01:53:27:	One of the last things that came up in Ash's interrogation,

01:53:27 – 01:53:29:	and the reason we mentioned this first,

01:53:29 – 01:53:33:	was he was accused of viciously attacking Mrs. Jonathan Lackey.

01:53:33 – 01:53:36:	The very first episode he did, back when Ash was still on Twitter,

01:53:37 – 01:53:40:	when we were talking about this, the very first episode,

01:53:41 – 01:53:47:	we go over all the details where CPH publishing that book was something evil.

01:53:47 – 01:53:50:	Publishing a book by a girl teaching theology is evil.

01:53:50 – 01:53:53:	Evil is that which is contrary to God's will.

01:53:53 – 01:53:55:	Scripture is clear that that is not to happen.

01:53:55 – 01:53:57:	The Missouri Synod is doing it.

01:53:57 – 01:53:59:	The Missouri Synod is doing evil things.

01:53:59 – 01:54:02:	In those threads, I don't think we initially called them evil.

01:54:02 – 01:54:04:	We just said, this is not obeying God.

01:54:05 – 01:54:07:	Ash is very gentle.

01:54:07 – 01:54:08:	He's very nice.

01:54:08 – 01:54:13:	He doesn't go one-tenth as hard as we would on our softest days.

01:54:13 – 01:54:14:	That's fine. I love them for it.

01:54:14 – 01:54:19:	We need reasonable men who can say the correct things

01:54:19 – 01:54:21:	in ways that don't get everybody's hackles up.

01:54:22 – 01:54:23:	That's not why we're here, though.

01:54:25 – 01:54:29:	The fact that going back to October of last year

01:54:29 – 01:54:30:	is one of the charges against Ash,

01:54:31 – 01:54:34:	shows that what Ash's pastor said is true.

01:54:34 – 01:54:37:	There are dossiers at Synod against us.

01:54:37 – 01:54:39:	What are they against us for?

01:54:39 – 01:54:41:	For disagreeing with Synod.

01:54:41 – 01:54:42:	This is called behavior.

01:54:42 – 01:54:47:	Ash said something about a woman publishing a book with CPH.

01:54:47 – 01:54:50:	Matt Harrison's Janissaries jotted it down,

01:54:50 – 01:54:52:	put it on his permanent file,

01:54:52 – 01:54:55:	and when it came time to place him under church discipline,

01:54:55 – 01:54:55:	he was accused of it.

01:54:56 – 01:54:57:	Do you want to be in this church?

01:54:58 – 01:54:59:	I'll ask you point blank.

01:54:59 – 01:55:03:	Would you want to be in a church that would do this to a layman?

01:55:03 – 01:55:04:	Even if he was in the wrong,

01:55:04 – 01:55:06:	even if someone was doing bad things,

01:55:06 – 01:55:10:	is having dossiers and calling police church discipline?

01:55:11 – 01:55:13:	Is it how Christians treat each other?

01:55:14 – 01:55:17:	The answer is unequivocally no.

01:55:18 – 01:55:20:	It is the conduct, however, of the Missouri Synod.

01:55:21 – 01:55:23:	And so the next item,

01:55:23 – 01:55:25:	which was actually the same day,

01:55:25 – 01:55:29:	this was a busy Thursday, the 23rd of February,

01:55:29 – 01:55:35:	I published the first summary of what was going on

01:55:35 – 01:55:38:	in the Missouri Synod with regard to these matters.

01:55:38 – 01:55:40:	And that is my article, The Apostasy of Missouri,

01:55:41 – 01:55:45:	that goes through more than an outline,

01:55:45 – 01:55:48:	but not with the level of detail that we are including here.

01:55:49 – 01:55:54:	But it highlights what was being done by Matt Harrison and his lackeys.

01:55:55 – 01:55:58:	I started, of course, with Super Lutheran, the Godcast, and the ALC,

01:55:58 – 01:56:02:	because that is where some of this started with regard to Jordan Cooper

01:56:02 – 01:56:04:	and part of why he hates me particularly.

01:56:05 – 01:56:07:	And part of why he hates Woe,

01:56:07 – 01:56:10:	although to some degree mistakenly,

01:56:10 – 01:56:15:	believing he was Super Lutheran, not the same person.

01:56:15 – 01:56:16:	I'm well aware of that.

01:56:17 – 01:56:19:	And that's all linked to that,

01:56:19 – 01:56:21:	because that has the complaint letter and such.

01:56:22 – 01:56:24:	The reason that Jordan Cooper hates me personally

01:56:24 – 01:56:28:	is that I was doing significant damage to the lies that he was telling online.

01:56:28 – 01:56:32:	Three years ago, Cooper was bragging about driving

01:56:32 – 01:56:34:	so-called alt-right men from the church.

01:56:34 – 01:56:36:	And I used to be a fan of Cooper.

01:56:36 – 01:56:38:	I used to watch all his videos.

01:56:38 – 01:56:40:	Like, I pointed people to him and said,

01:56:40 – 01:56:42:	here's some good Lutheran content.

01:56:42 – 01:56:45:	I didn't start as an enemy or an adversary of any of these guys.

01:56:46 – 01:56:48:	It wasn't until I saw more and more of their conduct

01:56:48 – 01:56:53:	that I realized that what seemed to be in some parts faithful,

01:56:53 – 01:56:58:	and frankly, the conduct, the statements that they make in many cases,

01:56:58 – 01:57:02:	is true to Lutheran doctrine, just as when Satan quotes Scripture,

01:57:02 – 01:57:04:	he's saying what God says.

01:57:04 – 01:57:07:	But when they get into these modern religious views

01:57:07 – 01:57:12:	on sex, on both intercourse and biological sex,

01:57:12 – 01:57:13:	when they get into questions of headship,

01:57:14 – 01:57:18:	suddenly these men break ranks with Christianity,

01:57:18 – 01:57:23:	and they go, you know, what is colloquially called far left?

01:57:23 – 01:57:24:	What it is is Satanic.

01:57:25 – 01:57:27:	Cooper began doing that more and more.

01:57:27 – 01:57:30:	He began doing things like denying that there's an ontological basis

01:57:31 – 01:57:35:	for the pastoral office being limited by God to men for a reason.

01:57:36 – 01:57:39:	See, these guys don't think that Jesus was born a man.

01:57:39 – 01:57:40:	They think he was born human.

01:57:40 – 01:57:44:	They just happen to accidentally have masculine characteristics.

01:57:45 – 01:57:48:	When you read the description and revelation of Christ before the throne,

01:57:49 – 01:57:51:	it's the perfect picture of masculinity.

01:57:52 – 01:57:57:	You would never read the description and think that this was not a man.

01:57:58 – 01:58:02:	It is so much a man that we are only typologically men

01:58:02 – 01:58:07:	in the image of the antitype of Christ as the perfect man.

01:58:09 – 01:58:11:	I don't simply mean in his incarnate body,

01:58:11 – 01:58:15:	but we're made in the image of that which pre-existed.

01:58:16 – 01:58:17:	And it's masculine.

01:58:18 – 01:58:22:	All three parts of the Trinity refer to with masculine pronouns.

01:58:22 – 01:58:23:	That's not a coincidence.

01:58:23 – 01:58:25:	That's not a linguistic trick.

01:58:25 – 01:58:27:	It's what God gave us.

01:58:27 – 01:58:31:	And so men like Cooper started doing more and more subversive things.

01:58:31 – 01:58:35:	I started going after him, not targeting him personally,

01:58:35 – 01:58:39:	but saying, this guy who claims to be Lutheran is saying stuff that's not Lutheran.

01:58:39 – 01:58:43:	Same thing we're doing with Harrison, or we did initially with Harrison.

01:58:43 – 01:58:46:	These men say they're Lutheran, but they're not saying Lutheran things.

01:58:46 – 01:58:47:	Something's wrong.

01:58:48 – 01:58:51:	Cooper personally got me banned from Twitter a few years ago because

01:58:52 – 01:58:57:	his reputation as a Lutheran was being harmed by me pointing out facts.

01:58:57 – 01:59:02:	Like when he says he's learning at the feet of sodomites in Lesbianville, USA,

01:59:02 – 01:59:04:	which is verbatim from one of his tweets,

01:59:04 – 01:59:08:	and defense to someone saying that he should just mind his own business

01:59:08 – 01:59:09:	when talking about sodomites.

01:59:09 – 01:59:11:	That was his defense.

01:59:11 – 01:59:13:	I grew up in Lesbianville, USA.

01:59:13 – 01:59:17:	I have a place at the table because I sat under the table with these sodomites.

01:59:17 – 01:59:19:	I learned from them.

01:59:19 – 01:59:22:	And so I can communicate with you in their terms.

01:59:23 – 01:59:25:	This is the spirit of the AALC.

01:59:25 – 01:59:28:	So when he went after Super, he hated Super anyway.

01:59:28 – 01:59:29:	He hated me.

01:59:30 – 01:59:32:	He was confused briefly thinking we were the same person.

01:59:32 – 01:59:34:	He was going to destroy Super no matter what,

01:59:34 – 01:59:37:	because Super's ministry online was effective.

01:59:38 – 01:59:44:	Super brought thousands of men out of darkness, men who were angry,

01:59:44 – 01:59:46:	all the things that they say about us,

01:59:46 – 01:59:52:	men who were deaf to the word of God, all they saw was horror in the world.

01:59:54 – 01:59:57:	Some of them listened to the God cast with Super Lutheran,

01:59:57 – 02:00:01:	and he helped bring them to Christ by talking about Scripture

02:00:01 – 02:00:04:	and by dealing with their issues, the things that they knew about

02:00:04 – 02:00:07:	in honest terms and in Christian terms.

02:00:07 – 02:00:12:	That is the single worst thing that you can do in Lutheranism today.

02:00:12 – 02:00:14:	It's what Cory's been doing for years.

02:00:14 – 02:00:15:	It's what I've been doing for years.

02:00:16 – 02:00:19:	Super, Cory and I have all been targeted by the AALC

02:00:19 – 02:00:22:	for trying to reach out to men that the world despises.

02:00:22 – 02:00:23:	Who are they?

02:00:23 – 02:00:24:	They're white men.

02:00:24 – 02:00:25:	They're conservative.

02:00:25 – 02:00:27:	In some cases, they're not Christian at all,

02:00:27 – 02:00:31:	and I want more than anything to fix that by telling them about God.

02:00:31 – 02:00:36:	But you cannot tell a man about God if you start by lying to him about creation.

02:00:38 – 02:00:40:	All the episodes we did on race, on headship, on everyone else,

02:00:41 – 02:00:44:	all those other subjects, there are many men who are not Christian

02:00:44 – 02:00:50:	or they're marginally Christian, who when they hear those things described

02:00:50 – 02:00:53:	in an honest way by Christians like Cory, Super and I,

02:00:54 – 02:00:55:	they're like, okay, I get it.

02:00:55 – 02:01:01:	I see now the Christianity is not what Nietzsche says,

02:01:01 – 02:01:05:	that it's not what Antifa says or what Biden says,

02:01:05 – 02:01:08:	that it's actually something that is true and faithful to God,

02:01:08 – 02:01:10:	and I won't be ashamed to hold as a man.

02:01:11 – 02:01:13:	Because a man who doesn't know God,

02:01:14 – 02:01:17:	knows that he has to protect his family and his community,

02:01:17 – 02:01:18:	wants to be a good man.

02:01:19 – 02:01:23:	Those are things that God placed in his heart, his own creation.

02:01:24 – 02:01:27:	That is the image of God, which is damaged in the fall,

02:01:27 – 02:01:29:	and it's only by bringing these men the gospel

02:01:29 – 02:01:31:	that they can have the image of God restored,

02:01:31 – 02:01:35:	such as they can live Christian lives and be with us in heaven.

02:01:36 – 02:01:40:	Harrison, AALC, none of these people want to see those men in our churches.

02:01:40 – 02:01:42:	They want to drive them out.

02:01:42 – 02:01:45:	So why are there dossiers in St. Louis for us

02:01:46 – 02:01:48:	to ensure that as many of these men

02:01:48 – 02:01:49:	are driven from the church as possible?

02:01:51 – 02:01:54:	Two quick points about Super Lutheran,

02:01:54 – 02:01:57:	the God cast Jordan Cooper and the AALC,

02:01:57 – 02:01:59:	and yes, that's two points about four things.

02:02:01 – 02:02:09:	First, the AALC is well aware of exactly what Jordan Cooper is doing

02:02:10 – 02:02:14:	and what he has said, and I know that for a fact,

02:02:14 – 02:02:17:	because I handed them the hard drive that had screenshots

02:02:17 – 02:02:21:	of many of his tweets and links to his YouTube videos

02:02:21 – 02:02:25:	where he has said things that are abominable, that are false,

02:02:25 – 02:02:26:	where he has made these comments

02:02:26 – 02:02:28:	that he is driving men away from Lutheranism.

02:02:29 – 02:02:32:	So they know, I handed that to the panel

02:02:33 – 02:02:36:	and the gentlemen who were the prosecuting attorneys,

02:02:36 – 02:02:40:	as it were, not attorneys actually, but pastors,

02:02:41 – 02:02:43:	they had access to that information.

02:02:44 – 02:02:47:	They are friends with all of the individuals.

02:02:47 – 02:02:50:	One of them is the head pastor of the AALC.

02:02:51 – 02:02:54:	So they know this is not something that is hidden from them.

02:02:54 – 02:02:57:	This is not something that Cooper is doing in secret.

02:02:57 – 02:02:58:	Of course, he's doing it publicly on the internet,

02:02:58 – 02:03:02:	but that doesn't mean that some of these older pastors are aware.

02:03:02 – 02:03:04:	They do know and I know they know.

02:03:04 – 02:03:07:	And secondly, when it comes to the number of men

02:03:07 – 02:03:10:	who have come into the faith or returned to the faith,

02:03:10 – 02:03:13:	because of the Godcast, because of the work that Superluthoran

02:03:13 – 02:03:16:	and others are doing on the Godcast,

02:03:17 – 02:03:21:	I know how many, because I've seen the emails,

02:03:21 – 02:03:22:	I've seen the messages,

02:03:24 – 02:03:26:	because that was one of the arguments that was made

02:03:26 – 02:03:27:	before that panel.

02:03:27 – 02:03:29:	This is an effective ministry.

02:03:30 – 02:03:32:	If a ministry is effective,

02:03:32 – 02:03:34:	it is because it is blessed by God.

02:03:34 – 02:03:36:	It is because it is speaking the truth,

02:03:36 – 02:03:38:	because a tree is known by its fruit.

02:03:38 – 02:03:41:	And so a tree that is bearing fruit is a good tree.

02:03:43 – 02:03:44:	It doesn't mean the tree is perfect.

02:03:44 – 02:03:47:	It doesn't mean the doctrine is always 100% on point.

02:03:47 – 02:03:49:	Of course, we may have disagreements.

02:03:50 – 02:03:52:	But if God is blessing it,

02:03:52 – 02:03:54:	then who are these men to stand in the way of it

02:03:54 – 02:03:56:	and tell God that he is wrong?

02:03:57 – 02:03:58:	But to return to the timeline,

02:03:58 – 02:04:02:	the next day, the 24th of February,

02:04:02 – 02:04:05:	Ash made a phone call to D.P. Naran's,

02:04:05 – 02:04:08:	in order to request a meeting regarding these allegations,

02:04:09 – 02:04:10:	because that is what Christians do.

02:04:11 – 02:04:16:	Christians, the first step is to meet with your brother personally.

02:04:16 – 02:04:20:	And that has basically not been done in any of these cases,

02:04:20 – 02:04:23:	but it has been done in the last couple of years.

02:04:23 – 02:04:26:	It has not been done in any of these cases.

02:04:26 – 02:04:30:	It has always been an ambush by a panel, at best.

02:04:30 – 02:04:33:	In my case, it was not even a discussion with the panel.

02:04:33 – 02:04:35:	But in most of these cases,

02:04:35 – 02:04:37:	it has been an ambush and an interrogation.

02:04:38 – 02:04:40:	And that is not how this is supposed to be conducted.

02:04:40 – 02:04:42:	That is not how Christians conduct themselves.

02:04:42 – 02:04:46:	That is not what Scripture says Christians must do.

02:04:46 – 02:04:48:	And so Ash here is doing the right thing.

02:04:49 – 02:04:52:	He is contacting directly a man.

02:04:53 – 02:04:55:	He has been told is bringing these charges against him,

02:04:56 – 02:04:58:	promoting these allegations,

02:04:58 – 02:05:00:	and saying we need to have a discussion as Christians.

02:05:03 – 02:05:05:	So moving to the next month,

02:05:05 – 02:05:07:	this is of course now March, the first of March in fact,

02:05:09 – 02:05:12:	Ryan's father received an email from his pastor.

02:05:13 – 02:05:16:	And basically the thrust of that email,

02:05:16 – 02:05:21:	you can find some of this information in Ryan's thread,

02:05:21 – 02:05:22:	but the basic thrust of the email

02:05:22 – 02:05:25:	was that Ryan's father would need to recuse himself

02:05:25 – 02:05:28:	for many hearings regarding Ryan,

02:05:28 – 02:05:30:	because of course he has, I guess,

02:05:30 – 02:05:32:	an implied conflict of interest as it were.

02:05:33 – 02:05:36:	Which is not really a standard that we have in the church,

02:05:37 – 02:05:40:	because the standard in the church is God's word.

02:05:40 – 02:05:41:	The standard is what is true and right.

02:05:42 – 02:05:46:	And a man should hold himself and others to that standard.

02:05:48 – 02:05:49:	In this case, it would be showing partiality.

02:05:49 – 02:05:52:	This is actually a case where partiality would be in play.

02:05:52 – 02:05:55:	If you show, yes, your own children,

02:05:56 – 02:06:01:	partiality in that you do not hold them to the standard of scripture,

02:06:01 – 02:06:03:	then you run afoul of that injunction in scripture.

02:06:05 – 02:06:08:	But the implication here by Ryan's pastor

02:06:08 – 02:06:11:	is that Ryan's father is not going to be able to hold himself

02:06:11 – 02:06:12:	to the standard of scripture.

02:06:13 – 02:06:16:	It's an insult, it's slander against Ryan's father.

02:06:17 – 02:06:20:	And so Ryan, that same day,

02:06:20 – 02:06:23:	speaks with his pastor at the Midweek service,

02:06:23 – 02:06:27:	and his pastor admits that the Oklahoma DP is involved.

02:06:27 – 02:06:29:	And the reason this is relevant

02:06:29 – 02:06:31:	is because all along, what have we seen?

02:06:31 – 02:06:33:	The district presidents are involved.

02:06:33 – 02:06:36:	And the reason the district presidents are involved

02:06:36 – 02:06:40:	is because all of this is being orchestrated by synod

02:06:40 – 02:06:42:	and pushed to the districts and from the districts

02:06:43 – 02:06:44:	pushed to the congregations.

02:06:44 – 02:06:46:	And this is part of why, of course,

02:06:46 – 02:06:49:	I say that Pavela, in my case, was undoubtedly involved,

02:06:49 – 02:06:51:	because he is the district president.

02:06:53 – 02:06:58:	And that same day, Woe met with an elder.

02:06:58 – 02:07:01:	I suppose you'll give us more details about that, though.

02:07:03 – 02:07:06:	So, again, as all this stuff is playing out,

02:07:07 – 02:07:09:	we were discussing this as friends,

02:07:09 – 02:07:12:	again, not as some sort of shadowy conspiracy,

02:07:12 – 02:07:15:	just, hey, we're all being targeted, what's the latest?

02:07:16 – 02:07:19:	Someone says, oh, I got a text from my pastor

02:07:19 – 02:07:21:	to go to this meeting by the second or third one.

02:07:21 – 02:07:23:	We're like, yeah, it's an ambush.

02:07:23 – 02:07:24:	Let us know how it goes.

02:07:25 – 02:07:29:	So, on the same day, on that Wednesday,

02:07:30 – 02:07:34:	after seeing Harrison's screed against me,

02:07:34 – 02:07:36:	after seeing what had been done to these other laymen,

02:07:38 – 02:07:42:	I knew that I was probably going to be doxxed pretty soon.

02:07:42 – 02:07:43:	I didn't know by whom.

02:07:44 – 02:07:46:	I didn't have any specific reason for that,

02:07:46 – 02:07:48:	but I knew that the intensity of hatred,

02:07:48 – 02:07:50:	the fact that the FBI was involved,

02:07:50 – 02:07:54:	the fact that I was personally accused of terrorism,

02:07:54 – 02:07:56:	that I was personally accused of violence,

02:07:56 – 02:07:58:	and that the feds had been told that,

02:07:58 – 02:08:00:	I knew that it was probably just a matter of time,

02:08:00 – 02:08:04:	and probably not very long before I was personally doxxed.

02:08:04 – 02:08:08:	And so, I have three elders at the time.

02:08:09 – 02:08:13:	One of them, the oldest one whom I've talked to the most,

02:08:13 – 02:08:19:	his name is Tom, I knew that when Synod did finally doxx me

02:08:19 – 02:08:22:	and came to the Board of Elders and said,

02:08:22 – 02:08:23:	here's what's going on.

02:08:23 – 02:08:25:	You have a terrorist in your midst.

02:08:25 – 02:08:27:	I knew that of the three elders,

02:08:27 – 02:08:29:	Tom would be the most hurt by it.

02:08:29 – 02:08:30:	I knew that he would be upset.

02:08:30 – 02:08:32:	He would be confused.

02:08:32 – 02:08:35:	He has some health problems that would have made this worse for him.

02:08:35 – 02:08:40:	For his sake, I went to Tom and spoke to him for about 90 minutes.

02:08:41 – 02:08:43:	And so, during that one-on-one meeting with him,

02:08:43 – 02:08:47:	I said, first, Tom, I'm coming to you as my elder.

02:08:47 – 02:08:52:	This is an official contact in your office, in the church.

02:08:53 – 02:08:54:	I gave him the rundown.

02:08:54 – 02:08:59:	I told him the short version of the backstory of what's going on here,

02:08:59 – 02:09:03:	that I was one of the men who had spoken against this synodical publication,

02:09:03 – 02:09:08:	that I believe that there were serious problems and Demek II Synod at large,

02:09:08 – 02:09:12:	that while they didn't touch on our local congregation yet,

02:09:12 – 02:09:13:	they would inevitably down the road,

02:09:13 – 02:09:16:	because if a denomination gets worse and worse,

02:09:16 – 02:09:19:	it's inherently going to produce worse pastors.

02:09:19 – 02:09:21:	And so, the next time you're looking for a pastor,

02:09:22 – 02:09:23:	you're going to be screwed.

02:09:24 – 02:09:26:	And in my case, my church has been vacant

02:09:26 – 02:09:30:	since actually right around the time we decided to do Stone Choir.

02:09:31 – 02:09:34:	I had, at the time that we decided to do it,

02:09:34 – 02:09:35:	my pastor hadn't left yet.

02:09:35 – 02:09:38:	He basically popped smoke and just vanished.

02:09:39 – 02:09:41:	Shortly after we had decided to do this.

02:09:41 – 02:09:43:	Now, if my pastor had stuck around,

02:09:43 – 02:09:47:	I would have told him about Stone Choir from the very first episode.

02:09:47 – 02:09:49:	I had had these conversations with him in the past.

02:09:49 – 02:09:51:	We'd spoken for hours.

02:09:51 – 02:09:54:	And he, like every other pastor I've ever talked to,

02:09:54 – 02:09:56:	he didn't tell me to go to seminary.

02:09:56 – 02:09:58:	He said, why aren't you teaching at seminary?

02:09:58 – 02:10:00:	That was his view of me spiritually at the time.

02:10:00 – 02:10:04:	So, I told him, there are things that I believe politically

02:10:04 – 02:10:06:	and otherwise that maybe you wouldn't agree with.

02:10:07 – 02:10:08:	I am pseudonymous.

02:10:08 – 02:10:10:	He explicitly told me to remain pseudonymous,

02:10:10 – 02:10:13:	I think in part because he hoped that someday I would go to seminary.

02:10:13 – 02:10:17:	I told him point blank, that was not happening for unrelated reasons.

02:10:19 – 02:10:21:	God took him off the board.

02:10:21 – 02:10:25:	God removed our pastor right at the time the Stone Choir got started.

02:10:25 – 02:10:28:	So, we don't have a pastor we haven't had one since.

02:10:29 – 02:10:31:	I would not have concealed this from my pastor,

02:10:31 – 02:10:33:	even while I was doing it pseudonymously.

02:10:34 – 02:10:36:	As a matter of spiritual oversight,

02:10:36 – 02:10:38:	I have respect for the process.

02:10:38 – 02:10:39:	I'm not a cowboy.

02:10:39 – 02:10:41:	I'm not a renegade.

02:10:41 – 02:10:44:	I understand that church discipline and good order is necessary.

02:10:44 – 02:10:48:	And I knew, again, before we had actually begun the podcast,

02:10:48 – 02:10:52:	that if and when I was doxxed, it would become his problem.

02:10:52 – 02:10:53:	So, I wanted him to know upfront,

02:10:53 – 02:10:55:	here are the problems I'm causing for you.

02:10:55 – 02:10:59:	Not in the sense that I have a guilty conscience about anything.

02:10:59 – 02:11:02:	Everything that we say and we publish and we do, we stand behind.

02:11:03 – 02:11:06:	Because we believe that we're doing it in faithfulness to God.

02:11:07 – 02:11:09:	Because we didn't have a pastor,

02:11:09 – 02:11:11:	Tom was basically the man for me to speak to.

02:11:11 – 02:11:16:	And because he was the most likely to be injured by the false accusations

02:11:16 – 02:11:19:	that I knew for a fact, we're going to be coming from Synod.

02:11:19 – 02:11:24:	Again, these wicked evil slanderous things directed at me, this defamation.

02:11:25 – 02:11:26:	I talked to him for 90 minutes.

02:11:26 – 02:11:28:	I said, here's what's going on.

02:11:28 – 02:11:32:	Here's, I sent him an email afterwards with Stone Choir and more or two other things.

02:11:32 – 02:11:35:	I send the link to Harrison's article,

02:11:35 – 02:11:39:	condemning me personally, saying that I have a wicked agenda.

02:11:41 – 02:11:42:	Because I didn't want him to be line-sided.

02:11:42 – 02:11:46:	And I told him point blank, there's some stuff that I say on the podcasts

02:11:46 – 02:11:47:	I know you're not going to agree with.

02:11:47 – 02:11:49:	His wife is an uber feminist.

02:11:49 – 02:11:52:	Feminism is a cancer in the church at large.

02:11:52 – 02:11:54:	It's a cancer in his home.

02:11:54 – 02:11:58:	I knew that those comments were going to upset him.

02:11:59 – 02:12:01:	In spite of that, I went to him out of Christian love for him.

02:12:04 – 02:12:06:	That was the last time I ever spoke to Tom.

02:12:06 – 02:12:07:	This was on March 1st.

02:12:08 – 02:12:13:	And so as we get down further the timeline, I'm going to point back to this day because

02:12:14 – 02:12:19:	what I would learn later was that when I was subsequently doxxed, Tom did it.

02:12:19 – 02:12:22:	My elder in his office, his elder did it.

02:12:22 – 02:12:25:	And he did it despite my explicit warning to him

02:12:25 – 02:12:29:	that by doxxing me, synod will jeopardize my life,

02:12:30 – 02:12:34:	will jeopardize my property, will destroy my reputation.

02:12:34 – 02:12:38:	Not because I have said anything wrong, because I say things like,

02:12:38 – 02:12:40:	a man is a man and a woman is a woman.

02:12:40 – 02:12:43:	And that's not the same thing and it's not interchangeable.

02:12:43 – 02:12:45:	That's enough to destroy a man's life today.

02:12:45 – 02:12:48:	Confessing how we're created is enough for you to be destroyed.

02:12:48 – 02:12:55:	But most urgently, the reputation is less of an immediate concern in doxxing

02:12:55 – 02:12:58:	than physical destruction, threats to my property and to my life.

02:12:59 – 02:13:04:	I told him point blank, please do not discuss this with anyone

02:13:04 – 02:13:09:	because it will cause personal, real, verifiable harm to me.

02:13:11 – 02:13:14:	Subsequently, learn he intended to do precisely that.

02:13:15 – 02:13:19:	And what was amazing was that that conversation was very cordial.

02:13:19 – 02:13:20:	I remember we hugged at the end.

02:13:20 – 02:13:21:	We certainly shook hands.

02:13:21 – 02:13:23:	It was a very friendly conversation.

02:13:23 – 02:13:25:	I went to him because we'd had such conversations in the past.

02:13:26 – 02:13:30:	When he heard Stonequire, he became possessed.

02:13:31 – 02:13:34:	And so as we get to some of the later details,

02:13:34 – 02:13:35:	I'm going to point back to that.

02:13:35 – 02:13:39:	But just remember on March 1st, I am the one who told my elder

02:13:39 – 02:13:40:	out of concern for himself.

02:13:40 – 02:13:46:	This was detrimental to me personally to tell another man,

02:13:46 – 02:13:48:	hey, here's something you're not going to like.

02:13:48 – 02:13:52:	But when these evil men come and slander me to you in secret,

02:13:52 – 02:13:55:	before I know what's going on, I don't want you to be hurt.

02:13:56 – 02:13:57:	That's my wicked agenda.

02:13:57 – 02:13:59:	These men who say I'm not a Christian,

02:13:59 – 02:14:01:	that's the kind of non-Christian that I am.

02:14:03 – 02:14:06:	So Friday of that week on the 3rd of March,

02:14:06 – 02:14:09:	so basically a little more than a week after Ash had reached out

02:14:09 – 02:14:11:	to DP Nairans to say,

02:14:12 – 02:14:14:	you have leveled these accusations against me personally.

02:14:14 – 02:14:16:	I like to talk to you because you're further up the chain.

02:14:17 – 02:14:19:	Nairans did get back to me, responded.

02:14:19 – 02:14:22:	Ash, may the request he wanted to discuss the fact that these

02:14:22 – 02:14:26:	instructions had come down from Synod through Nairans for him

02:14:26 – 02:14:29:	to resign as an elder, because that was a big problem for him.

02:14:29 – 02:14:30:	That's slanderous.

02:14:31 – 02:14:34:	That's something that is completely outside the bounds

02:14:34 – 02:14:35:	of our own polity.

02:14:35 – 02:14:40:	This is not our ecclesiology for a president to order an elder to me removed.

02:14:41 – 02:14:46:	We're not top down, which is something Matt said on his February 21st

02:14:46 – 02:14:49:	screen, and then he says, however, we're going to do it anyway.

02:14:49 – 02:14:51:	And this is exactly that playing out.

02:14:51 – 02:14:54:	So on March 3rd, when he talked to DP Nairans,

02:14:54 – 02:14:59:	he reiterated that these instructions have been passed through him from Synod.

02:14:59 – 02:15:02:	And so Ash wanted to find out what exactly was going on.

02:15:03 – 02:15:09:	And another thing that we didn't mention in the first meeting that Ash had with his pastor,

02:15:09 – 02:15:11:	his pastor was openly recording the entire meeting.

02:15:12 – 02:15:15:	Ash asked if he could have a copy of that at that time.

02:15:15 – 02:15:21:	And it was made clear to him that he would be given access to the record.

02:15:21 – 02:15:23:	So Ash didn't make his own recording at that time.

02:15:24 – 02:15:27:	When Ash asked for a copy of the recording,

02:15:28 – 02:15:33:	both Nairans and his own pastor said, no, you're not going to have it.

02:15:34 – 02:15:38:	And this comes up later on in conversations with Ryan

02:15:39 – 02:15:45:	in another Oklahoma congregation where his own pastor made fun of Ash for not having his own

02:15:45 – 02:15:51:	recording, which frankly is part of the reason why Ryan recorded that stuff,

02:15:51 – 02:15:55:	as he said in his own thread where he had these conversations with these men,

02:15:55 – 02:15:59:	according to their public office, and he posted those recordings.

02:15:59 – 02:16:05:	The reason for that wasn't that he's some sneaky little kid that's just sneaking around in the dark

02:16:05 – 02:16:06:	trying to get people.

02:16:08 – 02:16:12:	When Ash had this thing publicly recorded, he was denied a copy.

02:16:12 – 02:16:13:	He had no witnesses there.

02:16:13 – 02:16:16:	The only witnesses present for him were against him.

02:16:16 – 02:16:21:	He had no witness of his own to testify to what was said to what was done.

02:16:21 – 02:16:25:	And when he subsequently asked for a copy, he was denied.

02:16:25 – 02:16:30:	And so that at that point by March 3rd had been made very clear to all of us

02:16:30 – 02:16:32:	that none of this was going to be done above board

02:16:32 – 02:16:35:	and that we were the only people involved in any of this.

02:16:35 – 02:16:37:	With our own interests at heart.

02:16:39 – 02:16:45:	Something that happened in the immediate week after that, Ash

02:16:47 – 02:16:51:	had contact with one of the elders who had been there trying to reach out to him.

02:16:51 – 02:16:53:	Again, he tried to talk to Naren's.

02:16:53 – 02:16:55:	There was an attempt made to reach out to one of the elders.

02:16:56 – 02:17:01:	The elder refused to have communication by phone.

02:17:01 – 02:17:05:	And when asked point blank why not, the response was FBI.

02:17:07 – 02:17:13:	So those accusations of terrorism that occurred within his own congregation,

02:17:13 – 02:17:17:	the characterization of all of us as terrorists

02:17:17 – 02:17:21:	and the promise from the pastor from district

02:17:21 – 02:17:23:	the Synod had called the FBI,

02:17:24 – 02:17:28:	had sufficiently damaged his personal reputation with his own elders,

02:17:28 – 02:17:30:	with people in his own congregation,

02:17:30 – 02:17:34:	his church home that they literally refused to talk to him.

02:17:35 – 02:17:37:	This is cult behavior.

02:17:37 – 02:17:39:	I'm going to keep saying that because that's all it is.

02:17:39 – 02:17:43:	If you know anything about how cults conduct themselves internally,

02:17:43 – 02:17:44:	this is it.

02:17:45 – 02:17:50:	Fear, suspicion, slander and accusations,

02:17:50 – 02:17:52:	going to the police to make coercive threats against men,

02:17:52 – 02:17:57:	to bring them back into line for daring to speak against the leadership.

02:17:57 – 02:17:57:	That's what cults do.

02:17:58 – 02:17:59:	Forget bad Christians.

02:17:59 – 02:18:03:	Forget denominations that Corey and I disagree with doctrinally.

02:18:03 – 02:18:05:	Even they wouldn't do this stuff.

02:18:05 – 02:18:06:	Even a Methodist wouldn't do this.

02:18:07 – 02:18:10:	And yet the confessional Lutheran Missouri Synod

02:18:10 – 02:18:13:	is doing what even some cults are afraid to do.

02:18:16 – 02:18:19:	We're talking about these details specifically because everyone needs to know.

02:18:19 – 02:18:22:	Everyone in the Synod needs to know how Matt Harrison,

02:18:22 – 02:18:25:	this false prophet is conducting our church.

02:18:25 – 02:18:26:	It's not his church.

02:18:26 – 02:18:33:	It's not his personal plaything to do as he wants to spend $9 million giving kickbacks

02:18:33 – 02:18:38:	to his buddies in Lutherans for racial justice while they brainwash kids in universalism.

02:18:39 – 02:18:41:	We need to put an end to this.

02:18:41 – 02:18:42:	So at the end of this episode,

02:18:42 – 02:18:45:	we're going to be making some suggestions for how we can all accomplish that.

02:18:46 – 02:18:50:	And so in keeping with the theme of all this being relatively dense with things happening

02:18:50 – 02:18:57:	one right after the other, on the same day in fact that Naren's returned that call,

02:18:58 – 02:19:00:	Rolling Stone published an article on me.

02:19:01 – 02:19:05:	And I did know this one was coming because to step back a couple days,

02:19:06 – 02:19:09:	Tim Dickinson, who is the editor for that article,

02:19:09 – 02:19:13:	contacted me on Twitter on the 1st of March.

02:19:13 – 02:19:19:	And then on the 2nd of March, I spoke to him on the phone for just under 26 minutes.

02:19:19 – 02:19:21:	I do have a recording of that.

02:19:21 – 02:19:23:	I may very well just go ahead and release that.

02:19:24 – 02:19:30:	And then on the 3rd, that article was published in Rolling Stone.

02:19:31 – 02:19:35:	And this occurred simultaneously with publication a few other places,

02:19:35 – 02:19:39:	mostly just parroting the Rolling Stone article, for instance.

02:19:40 – 02:19:42:	MSN picked it up and ran with it.

02:19:42 – 02:19:47:	MSN's title was Hitler Loving Races Trying to Turn Lutheran Church into Haven for

02:19:47 – 02:19:49:	quote, Hardline Young Men, unquote.

02:19:50 – 02:19:55:	But the Rolling Stone article is he believes Hitler went to heaven

02:19:55 – 02:19:57:	and wants to take over the Lutheran Church.

02:19:59 – 02:20:02:	Now I could quibble with the contentions in the headline,

02:20:03 – 02:20:08:	but the point here is that the leadership of the LCMS,

02:20:08 – 02:20:15:	supposed church leadership, are marching in lockstep with media outlets like Rolling Stone.

02:20:18 – 02:20:24:	And as we mentioned in one of the earliest episodes, you need to look at the source of things.

02:20:26 – 02:20:31:	These ideas are not coming from the church.

02:20:32 – 02:20:34:	These ideas aren't coming from the media either.

02:20:34 – 02:20:39:	These ideas ultimately are coming from Satan and they are being parroted by the media

02:20:39 – 02:20:41:	and now unfortunately also by church leadership.

02:20:42 – 02:20:47:	And so if you see church leadership marching in lockstep with the established media,

02:20:48 – 02:20:53:	there's a very real problem because these are the media that constantly advocate for

02:20:53 – 02:20:59:	sodomy, for abortion, for mass so-called immigration, for all of these various evils

02:20:59 – 02:21:06:	that beset society and now the church is partaking of them, is in some cases an active

02:21:07 – 02:21:11:	participant in them or at least actively defending and even pushing for them.

02:21:12 – 02:21:15:	But to return to the timeline the very next day,

02:21:17 – 02:21:21:	Ryan's article on Christian nationalism is published on GAV News.

02:21:23 – 02:21:30:	Now of course that is one of the things that is absolutely hated by the media,

02:21:30 – 02:21:33:	Christian nationalism. They're afraid of it of course because they realize that if

02:21:33 – 02:21:37:	Christians were in control of the country, it would be a very real problem for some of these

02:21:37 – 02:21:44:	extremely wicked men, particularly individuals like Rolling Stone and those who write for it.

02:21:45 – 02:21:49:	As an aside, I am going to make a general recommendation that if you are called by the

02:21:49 – 02:21:53:	media, do not talk to them. If you are an exception to that rule, you know it.

02:21:54 – 02:21:58:	But you probably aren't. Do not talk to them, all they can do is make your life worse.

02:21:59 – 02:22:03:	I knew what I was doing, that's why I talked to them, I knew what would happen and

02:22:03 – 02:22:08:	they did exactly what I expected, so that played out. But Ryan's article on Christian

02:22:08 – 02:22:15:	nationalism gets a good response, which is great, it's good, we want people to see Christian nationalism,

02:22:16 – 02:22:21:	what we mean by it and what the goals are, but it gets another response because he receives

02:22:21 – 02:22:26:	a message from his pastor that same day and the circuit pastor and another congregation

02:22:26 – 02:22:32:	member are copied on that message. It asks for his availability to talk, but of course, as is the

02:22:32 – 02:22:41:	theme, did not list the subjects or any subject for that conversation. But to return to my part

02:22:41 – 02:22:48:	of the timeline, the very next day, this being a Sunday, my congregation voted to excommunicate me.

02:22:48 – 02:22:56:	As was mentioned earlier, I was not present. Per the bylaws, I must be present, it says that

02:22:56 – 02:23:02:	the accused must be present for the vote on excommunication. The only exception

02:23:03 – 02:23:10:	is if the accused cannot be found or refuses to attend. I don't know why you would be excommunicating

02:23:10 – 02:23:15:	someone who cannot be found because if he cannot be found, I don't see how he would have done

02:23:15 – 02:23:19:	something that's worthy of excommunication, but it's in there for sake of completeness.

02:23:20 – 02:23:25:	Really what the two thirds vote is for is so if someone refuses to attend, someone has truly

02:23:25 – 02:23:31:	apostatized, someone is living a profligate lifestyle that is anti-Christian and simply

02:23:31 – 02:23:35:	refuses to listen to anything the church says and will not come to the meeting, then it's a two

02:23:35 – 02:23:41:	thirds vote. That's entirely reasonable. I agree with that change to the bylaws. That was not in

02:23:41 – 02:23:45:	the original Constitution and bylaws, it is in the updated one. I think that's a good thing.

02:23:47 – 02:23:53:	But the actual part of the bylaws that was applicable in my case required a unanimous

02:23:53 – 02:24:00:	vote and required my presence. I was not present. Indy had been driven out of the church at that

02:24:00 – 02:24:05:	point. They violated the bylaws up one side and down the other. They did absolutely everything

02:24:05 – 02:24:12:	they could not to adhere to these binding bylaws because these are binding under the civil law.

02:24:14 – 02:24:18:	That's a part of this that some people are missing. There is what Scripture says

02:24:19 – 02:24:23:	and Christians are bound by that, but that's not enforceable in the civil courts,

02:24:23 – 02:24:27:	typically unless it has been transposed into a contract of some kind.

02:24:29 – 02:24:33:	The bylaws, the Constitution and bylaws, are of the corporation that is the church.

02:24:35 – 02:24:41:	Those are binding on members on the church and they are binding in the civil courts.

02:24:42 – 02:24:46:	And so the fact they did not follow these is a violation, it's a civil violation.

02:24:47 – 02:24:54:	It's not a crime, but it is a civil violation of which the courts will take notice and provide remedy.

02:24:55 – 02:25:00:	And we have many pastors out there who are behaving as if they are not subject to the

02:25:00 – 02:25:04:	civil authorities. I don't know what happened to render unto Caesar, but apparently some have

02:25:04 – 02:25:08:	forgotten that's in Scripture. While it's not a direct violation of the bylaws,

02:25:08 – 02:25:13:	one of the shocking irregularities of this so-called excommunication meeting

02:25:13 – 02:25:19:	is that your own pastor was not present. The reason he was not present and in his place was

02:25:19 – 02:25:26:	Graves, the circuit visitor, is that we forgot to mention earlier on the Wednesday after

02:25:27 – 02:25:33:	Corey was physically restrained from entering the church when the cops were called. Between

02:25:33 – 02:25:39:	that Sunday and the subsequent Wednesday, your pastor had his kidney begin to fail.

02:25:39 – 02:25:44:	It was a transplanted kidney that had been in place for years. He went into serious

02:25:44 – 02:25:49:	physical jeopardy and it took him a while to figure out what was going on. So the reason he

02:25:49 – 02:25:54:	wasn't present for the excommunication is that he had missed several weeks. He was out for,

02:25:54 – 02:26:03:	I think, six weeks or so. He was hospitalized at the time because God knocked and apparently he

02:26:03 – 02:26:08:	didn't hear. I was burying the lead. I was leaving it until we mentioned that he returned to the

02:26:08 – 02:26:13:	pulpit to announce the excommunication, which we'll get to soon enough. But yes, he was

02:26:14 – 02:26:21:	gravely ill. He not only wasn't preaching, he wasn't attending the service because he was in

02:26:21 – 02:26:27:	the hospital. I mean, he was probably seemingly about as close to death as you get without being

02:26:27 – 02:26:33:	dead. That was very much how it sounded in the prayers of the church. And the reason I mentioned

02:26:33 – 02:26:39:	here is for the irregularity of the circuit visitor who is again an agent of Synod. So in this

02:26:39 – 02:26:46:	meeting, this church meeting at 1st Lutheran Knoxville where every single bylaw was violated

02:26:46 – 02:26:52:	for excommunication, it was a Synod official in his act as an agent of Synod who did it.

02:26:52 – 02:26:58:	He was not even the pastor of the congregation. He was on death's door. He was in a hospital bed

02:26:59 – 02:27:04:	fighting for his life when this happened. So you want to talk about irregularity,

02:27:04 – 02:27:10:	both on paper and spiritually? This story has every single base covered.

02:27:11 – 02:27:14:	I don't even know if that's actually proper according to the bylaws. I'm not sure that they

02:27:14 – 02:27:21:	directly address the issue of whether or not an excommunication can even proceed in the absence

02:27:21 – 02:27:25:	of the properly presiding pastor, not some random agent of Synod.

02:27:26 – 02:27:28:	Yeah, I would imagine that's not possible.

02:27:29 – 02:27:36:	It again just seems like Synod has decided that we're Rome and Pope Harrison can say whatever

02:27:36 – 02:27:41:	he wants and the DPs have to jump and then the pastors have to listen to the DPs or the

02:27:41 – 02:27:48:	circuit visitor if he's used as a proxy. But the beauty of it all is that in this specific case,

02:27:49 – 02:27:54:	God basically has hardened Synod's heart and tied this around their necks.

02:27:55 – 02:28:02:	Synod literally presided over an illegal excommunication of a member who, incidentally,

02:28:02 – 02:28:08:	this took just a couple weeks from the riot act being read to him being falsely excommunicated.

02:28:09 – 02:28:13:	And that's part of what the process was not followed. The rules were basically to slow

02:28:13 – 02:28:20:	things down to call for repentance. There was not a single call for repentance from Corey.

02:28:21 – 02:28:25:	If you're a pastor, if you're a Christian and you hear that, that should concern you.

02:28:26 – 02:28:29:	How can an excommunication occur without a call for repentance?

02:28:30 – 02:28:35:	Never mind the guy not even being present to be told he's going to hell for disagreeing

02:28:35 – 02:28:39:	with the Missouri Synod, but not even to be asked to repent of anything.

02:28:40 – 02:28:45:	I guess we can make a comparison here because, of course, we're Lutheran,

02:28:45 – 02:28:53:	so we're going to make the comparison to Luther. But in 1517, Luther posted his theses on the church

02:28:53 – 02:29:05:	door. Notably, he was not excommunicated until 1521. Now, of course, it takes longer in the 1500s

02:29:05 – 02:29:12:	for news to travel, but it does not take four years for news to travel from Germany to Italy and

02:29:12 – 02:29:22:	back. So he got four years. I got basically no time at all. And I think probably this

02:29:22 – 02:29:27:	defend himself multiple times. Yeah. I think probably the most egregious procedural

02:29:28 – 02:29:35:	malevolence in all of this is that you found out, putatively, that you had been excommunicated on

02:29:35 – 02:29:40:	Twitter from one of the enemy pastors. If I remember correctly, it was Ben Meyer. It may not

02:29:40 – 02:29:44:	have been. I don't mean to tie his name to this, but he was certainly in the know about many of

02:29:44 – 02:29:50:	these things. One of the enemy pastors who had been hounding you for your destruction and joking

02:29:50 – 02:29:54:	about murdering Nazis, which, by the way, you're a Nazi, according to these men,

02:29:54 – 02:30:00:	they're the ones who posted on Twitter that you were excommunicated. You had no communication

02:30:00 – 02:30:06:	whatsoever with your own church, not the elders, not the pastor, not the circuit visitor, no one.

02:30:06 – 02:30:10:	You found out on Twitter that apparently there had been a meeting that Sunday to excommunicate you.

02:30:11 – 02:30:16:	And it's even worse than that because not only did they not announce the excommunication to me,

02:30:16 – 02:30:21:	they did eventually send me a certified letter. I do have a copy of that one. That one I actually

02:30:21 – 02:30:27:	did receive. Perhaps I can get my scanner to cooperate and scan that one. But they haven't

02:30:27 – 02:30:36:	contacted me at all since I was turned away from the church on Sunday with the police.

02:30:37 – 02:30:42:	I have not had a message from anyone in the congregation. I have not been emailed,

02:30:42 – 02:30:49:	texted, called anything. And, notably, the elders all have my cell phone number and my email address.

02:30:50 – 02:30:56:	They also know where I live. I have had absolutely no contact from any of them. This is simply not

02:30:56 – 02:31:01:	how Christians behave. And in the case of some of them, it's quite disappointing.

02:31:02 – 02:31:06:	Not for all of them. Some of them, I kind of expected it. But for some of them,

02:31:06 – 02:31:15:	I expected them to behave more Christian than they have. The only vague communication I've had

02:31:15 – 02:31:21:	from anyone in the congregation has been because I happen to have mutual friends with some members

02:31:21 – 02:31:25:	of the congregation and come up in those discussions and then been reported to me.

02:31:26 – 02:31:33:	But I have had no direct communication from any member of that congregation from any member

02:31:33 – 02:31:39:	of the district from anyone at Synod. So I mentioned that I don't have a scan of the document and I

02:31:39 – 02:31:45:	have put it in a stack of papers somewhere and I will eventually find it. I didn't burn it like

02:31:45 – 02:31:50:	Luther did with the papal bull, but as I mentioned before we started recording, it doesn't have the

02:31:50 – 02:31:55:	seals and the pomp of a papal bull. It's not as much fun to burn a simple certified letter.

02:31:56 – 02:32:04:	But I'm going to read the charges from it because this will shock many pastors and many Christians.

02:32:04 – 02:32:11:	Just how vague these charges are and what's listed here. But I'll start with the second paragraph

02:32:11 – 02:32:17:	of the letter. The basis of the excommunication was your continued unabashed and unrepentant

02:32:17 – 02:32:25:	postings and dialogue via social media, superimposing fascist white supremacist slash ethnocentric

02:32:25 – 02:32:30:	and misogynistic views in the name of Lutheranism. The Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod,

02:32:30 – 02:32:35:	and the Lutheran Church as a whole in violation of one, the first commandment,

02:32:35 – 02:32:40:	two, the second commandment, three, the fourth commandment, four, the fifth commandment,

02:32:40 – 02:32:46:	five, the eighth commandment, and six, the tenth commandment. I remind our Reformed and other

02:32:46 – 02:32:51:	listeners to recall to mind that Lutherans number the commandments differently. So do bear that in

02:32:51 – 02:32:57:	mind when you're looking at this. And then they just basically say under article four relating to

02:32:57 – 02:33:02:	the bylaws, et cetera, which they violated. So it's funny that they cite them. But that's it.

02:33:03 – 02:33:10:	I don't have specific examples. There are no attachments or exhibits, as it were. It's just

02:33:10 – 02:33:18:	this listing and then your excommunicated for these violations of basically modern morality.

02:33:19 – 02:33:24:	Because the fascism, yes. Because no one in scripture doesn't say you can't be these things.

02:33:24 – 02:33:31:	You were literally declared to be damned for misogynistic views. This is a charge from a

02:33:31 – 02:33:39:	Lutheran church. And see, the thing about these is it's not that those in concert were bad enough

02:33:39 – 02:33:44:	for you to go to hell. If only one of those were true, you would still go to hell. That's what

02:33:44 – 02:33:49:	this letter says. That's what excommunication means in the Lutheran church. First Lutheran,

02:33:49 – 02:33:54:	on behalf of Mount Harrison, has declared the quarry is going to hell. That is official

02:33:54 – 02:34:01:	under Missouri Synod doctrine. Why is he going to hell for misogynistic views?

02:34:01 – 02:34:08:	Now, I'm struggling to figure out which of the five, six commandments they listed there. I'm not

02:34:08 – 02:34:13:	sure which one of the misogyny falls under. I guess we'll have to wait for the next edition of the

02:34:13 – 02:34:18:	small catechism from Pope Harrison. I would presume they're going to argue the same as they argue

02:34:18 – 02:34:25:	that racism is murder. I would presume they're going to say that misogyny is murder of women,

02:34:26 – 02:34:30:	which is one of the dumbest arguments you could possibly make, but they are

02:34:31 – 02:34:36:	the kind of people who would make that argument. Yeah. But if you're a pastor and you're listening,

02:34:36 – 02:34:40:	you're wondering, I wonder why Cory was excommunicated. Maybe you don't like him. Maybe you think

02:34:40 – 02:34:45:	he's a jerk and he says mean things online. Did you know that he was excommunicated for misogyny?

02:34:45 – 02:34:50:	Mark Price is a misogynist, by the way, according to Asher's pastor, he made very clear that Mark

02:34:50 – 02:34:57:	Price is a misogynist. He made very clear that all you guys up in Wyoming, you're misogynists,

02:34:57 – 02:35:01:	you're going to be excommunicated next because that is the religion of the Missouri Synod.

02:35:01 – 02:35:08:	If you guys think you can hide away and not face what's coming because we're disposable laymen and

02:35:08 – 02:35:13:	you can go off into your own thing, you're joking yourselves. We're at the vanguard of this precisely

02:35:13 – 02:35:18:	because we can take the punishment so that you can move in behind us and do something Christian.

02:35:18 – 02:35:23:	If you continue to hide, they're going to come for you next. Mark, I specifically named because he

02:35:23 – 02:35:30:	was named for this slander of misogyny. That's literally what was given to Ash as a charge

02:35:30 – 02:35:37:	against him. So this is not a joke. It's a joke in terms of that being absolutely obscene. That's

02:35:37 – 02:35:43:	contrary to everything in scripture. You can entire chapters of scripture are blatantly misogynist

02:35:43 – 02:35:49:	by 2023 standards and the Missouri Synod under the false prophet Matt Harrison says you will go to

02:35:49 – 02:35:56:	hell for agreeing with scripture. Quite frankly, I didn't even go as far as Mark Price is accused

02:35:56 – 02:36:01:	of going because I have never once said that women shouldn't be allowed to speak outside the home.

02:36:01 – 02:36:08:	Yeah, everything about it is just obscene, but that's part of the reason that we're airing this

02:36:08 – 02:36:14:	dirty laundry. Every single one of these things are a fact. It is verifiable. It's provable with

02:36:14 – 02:36:20:	evidence and with witnesses. This is not supposition on our part. This is the state of the cult of

02:36:20 – 02:36:24:	Missouri Synod. At least they didn't include the Third Commandment. I guess that would be difficult

02:36:24 – 02:36:30:	when I constantly tell people to go to church. The first sentence of the last paragraph should

02:36:30 – 02:36:34:	warm the black cockles of Chris Rosebrough's heart though because they state that you are

02:36:34 – 02:36:39:	welcomed and explicitly encouraged to view the divine service at First Lutheran or any LCMS

02:36:39 – 02:36:45:	affiliated church through online broadcast of said service. Despite the fact that the bylaws say

02:36:45 – 02:36:52:	in all caps in the original that even those were excommunicated are cordially invited to attend

02:36:52 – 02:36:58:	the divine service and there is no way that those who wrote that thought that attending the divine

02:36:58 – 02:37:05:	service included Facebook streaming. It's just, it's utterly depraved. And yeah, this is the state

02:37:05 – 02:37:13:	of the Missouri Synod. That's the pornographic version of church. To watch a peep show on YouTube

02:37:13 – 02:37:18:	is not the communion of the saints. Now, it may well be edifying. I don't mean that it's disgusting

02:37:18 – 02:37:24:	or gross, but I mean to say that it is a fake version of the real thing, that there's no

02:37:24 – 02:37:29:	legitimacy to the notion that a man can attend church online. It's one of the conversations

02:37:29 – 02:37:34:	that Corey and I have regularly. There are a lot of men who have seen this stuff playing out

02:37:34 – 02:37:38:	and they're saying, I'm just going to leave the established church altogether. I don't want to

02:37:38 – 02:37:44:	be a part of any of that. Why would I subject myself to it? And so we caught in the middle of

02:37:44 – 02:37:49:	this are still trying to do battle and say, no, you do need to go to a church. You need to have a

02:37:49 – 02:37:55:	church home. Even if you don't believe everything they say, it's still important to gather together

02:37:55 – 02:38:00:	with Christians every Sunday. It is part of the Christian life. Even if it's a place where you

02:38:00 – 02:38:07:	cannot commune because you don't agree with what they believe about things, it's still important

02:38:07 – 02:38:12:	to gather together with other Christians. It is edifying and it is necessary for the Christian life.

02:38:13 – 02:38:18:	These people don't even want that for us, which is we made clear earlier with the story about

02:38:18 – 02:38:22:	Jordan Cooper. These men want to drive us from the church entirely. They want us physically

02:38:22 – 02:38:29:	removed. They call the police to seek our physical destruction. Demonic doesn't even begin to describe,

02:38:29 – 02:38:35:	but there's no word in the English language for how evil this is. And again, Matt Harrison from

02:38:35 – 02:38:41:	St. Louis on behalf of the Synod and in his office as president is orchestrating every one of these

02:38:41 – 02:38:45:	details. The fact that these things are starting to blur together, it's like, well, that already

02:38:45 – 02:38:50:	happened. Well, yeah, it did to one guy, but then it happened to the other four guys too. That's why

02:38:50 – 02:38:56:	it's a script. Alinsky has a script. Harrison has a script. And by and large, it's the same script.

02:38:57 – 02:39:04:	And so the next item we have is the following Monday, the very next day, the 6th of March.

02:39:05 – 02:39:11:	The previously mentioned elder refuses to communicate with Ash and he states as his basis

02:39:11 – 02:39:18:	for this that there is FBI involvement. So again, verifying that Synod has deliberately

02:39:18 – 02:39:24:	involved the FBI in these matters, going to the secular authorities in violation of scripture.

02:39:27 – 02:39:32:	And we really should point out that the goal here, and it is fair to call it their goal,

02:39:32 – 02:39:40:	is to murder us. Because when you are dealing in these sorts of charges, white supremacy,

02:39:40 – 02:39:45:	and when you're accusing people of being a terrorist, the odds of the FBI, or someone

02:39:45 – 02:39:50:	like that, no knock rating you, and they have a very real tendency to just shoot people in those

02:39:50 – 02:39:55:	raids, that is exactly what is in view. And that is what Synod desires in this case.

02:39:56 – 02:40:01:	And it's made clear by all the Nazi stuff online. Again, when all these pastors call us Nazis,

02:40:01 – 02:40:09:	and then separately celebrate murdering Nazis, Rosebro posted a vile video of a man literally

02:40:09 – 02:40:15:	being stabbed through the skull with a knife, because he was a Nazi, and he was saying,

02:40:15 – 02:40:20:	I'm so excited about this movie, it looks so beautiful. That's a threat. That's a direct

02:40:20 – 02:40:25:	physical threat. That is far beyond anything that even if Corey and I thought those about these men,

02:40:25 – 02:40:31:	we would never say it online, because they would call the FBI. They would take that as a serious

02:40:31 – 02:40:39:	personal threat. It beggars belief that this is occurring in our church, but this is called behavior.

02:40:39 – 02:40:43:	When men are intimidated by the fact that the church is contacting the police,

02:40:43 – 02:40:49:	contacting the FBI, and they're cutting off all communication with you, again, that's the

02:40:49 – 02:40:56:	Elinsky rule, cutting off all social circles so that someone has no support, saying you may not

02:40:56 – 02:41:00:	return to the church at all. This is complete spiritual and physical destruction as a package

02:41:00 – 02:41:08:	deal. This is sacramental for Matt Harrison. This false prophet of St. Louis is vehemently

02:41:08 – 02:41:13:	pursuing his own religion, and he's doing it at the expense of Christian laymen. He's not done.

02:41:14 – 02:41:18:	We're not the only ones he's doing this for. There are other men that are currently being

02:41:18 – 02:41:23:	targeted who are not currently public. We're not going to say more about it. I will say this,

02:41:23 – 02:41:29:	Matt, and all the other evil men who are listening, we know far more than we are saying here.

02:41:29 – 02:41:34:	We're saying what is relevant to us and was relevant to this timeline. If you think that all

02:41:34 – 02:41:40:	the other things you're doing in secret are actually secret, well, we'll get in just a minute

02:41:40 – 02:41:46:	about the verses about daylight, but the daylight has come upon your actions, too. What you're doing

02:41:46 – 02:41:52:	in secret has been made bare. When the time comes for that to be known to the world, it will. You

02:41:52 – 02:42:01:	can rest assured. On the next day, that Tuesday, the 7th of March, Ryan was informed of the subject

02:42:01 – 02:42:06:	of the previously mentioned meeting, and that is that they were deeply concerned with his online

02:42:06 – 02:42:12:	activity. There was also an attempt to walk back the earlier admission of the involvement of the

02:42:12 – 02:42:18:	DP, and so clearly we see that Synod would like to be involved and control these things, but does

02:42:18 – 02:42:26:	not want anyone to know. Now, I am going to say that this is most likely due to someone consulting

02:42:26 – 02:42:34:	Synod Council, because an attorney is most likely going to advise the leadership of Synod

02:42:34 – 02:42:39:	that you should not be directly involved in this because you are opening yourself to liability,

02:42:39 – 02:42:45:	which is good advice that is correct. What I'm saying isn't legal advice, but you're not listening

02:42:45 – 02:42:51:	to this podcast for legal advice, but I think that is most likely what happened here.

02:42:51 – 02:42:57:	But it's far too late because the Synod's fingerprints are all over all of this. Again,

02:42:57 – 02:43:04:	we have multiple witnesses. We have documentation, physical documentation. We have eyewitnesses saying

02:43:04 – 02:43:09:	Synod directed us to do this. Matt Harrison has directed all this, all the lies, all the slander,

02:43:09 – 02:43:16:	all the defamation, all the malicious acts in person calling the FBI. That's all on him. That's

02:43:16 – 02:43:22:	provable. Whether that's proved in the court of public opinion or it's proved in an actual court,

02:43:22 – 02:43:24:	frankly, it's probably going to be up to him down the road.

02:43:25 – 02:43:30:	Yes, they spoke to Corporate Council far too late because Corporate Council would have told them

02:43:30 – 02:43:35:	never to touch any of this. Then this wouldn't have happened. They would have behaved as actual

02:43:35 – 02:43:39:	Christians, which irony of ironies an attorney would have told them to behave as a Christian,

02:43:39 – 02:43:47:	but sometimes these things align for tuitous reasons. But that same day, that Tuesday,

02:43:47 – 02:43:54:	Ryan met with the circuit pastor. Did you want to go over the details of that one or just refer

02:43:54 – 02:44:01:	people to the thread? I think we'll just refer to the thread. We're already incredibly long and we

02:44:01 – 02:44:05:	got at least another hour of content of our own. Ryan has separately detailed all the events of

02:44:05 – 02:44:11:	what has been done to him. The point that we wanted to make is that that's just one story of four.

02:44:11 – 02:44:16:	All four stories have some very striking similarities. They have some variations on themes.

02:44:16 – 02:44:22:	They have some verbatim accusations that keep popping up. So you can discern from all of that,

02:44:22 – 02:44:27:	both the script and who wrote it, by Senate's fingerprints being all over all of it fundamentally.

02:44:28 – 02:44:33:	And then Ryan had another meeting that same week, that Thursday the 9th, and that was with

02:44:33 – 02:44:39:	his pastor, a circuit pastor, and two elders. And again, you can look at his thread that will

02:44:39 – 02:44:47:	be in the show notes for some of the details of that. And so the next day on Friday, one of the

02:44:47 – 02:44:53:	LCMS pastors who uses a pseudonym to specifically attack us on Twitter, I have no idea what his

02:44:53 – 02:44:57:	real name is, but I believe him when he claims to be an LCMS pastor. He goes by the name Luther

02:44:57 – 02:45:06:	Commander CMDR. He tweeted on the 10th that he had my docs, that he knew my name. And one of the

02:45:06 – 02:45:12:	things about doxing, as we said in the episode on the enemy's playbook, is that the thread is

02:45:12 – 02:45:18:	worse than the thing itself. And so when they're getting close to doing their evil deeds, they want

02:45:18 – 02:45:25:	to amp up the terror as much as possible in their target. And so for most people, the idea of being

02:45:25 – 02:45:32:	doxed is scary enough to chase them away. There are men who have had peripheral connections to some

02:45:32 – 02:45:39:	of this, who have been chased away by the thought of being doxed. And I don't blame them. If you're

02:45:39 – 02:45:44:	not financially independent, if you can have something taken away from you that endangers your

02:45:44 – 02:45:51:	family's welfare, you have to weigh that. And that's what doxing relies on, saying we're going to make

02:45:51 – 02:45:56:	you unemployable. We're going to make it so no one will ever talk to you. Not only will you never be

02:45:56 – 02:46:01:	allowed to go to church again, at least in the Missouri Synod, but you'll never be hired in XYZ.

02:46:01 – 02:46:08:	So when this pastor, this Missouri Synod pastor says, I have your docs, finally, the specifics

02:46:08 – 02:46:14:	don't matter, but he made clear that he knew who I was. That was the first time that I had any indication

02:46:14 – 02:46:20:	that that was true. Now, as I mentioned earlier on the first, I talked to one of my elders to say,

02:46:21 – 02:46:27:	I know that this is coming. On the 10th, when this pastor revealed that he had my docs, like,

02:46:27 – 02:46:32:	okay, well, I guess I was right about the timing, but I had no idea how did it happen at that point.

02:46:33 – 02:46:41:	So the next day before you received that letter that we had previously read with the details

02:46:41 – 02:46:46:	of your excommunication, which was the first actual indication that you had been excommunicated,

02:46:46 – 02:46:50:	at that point, it was just a rumor on Twitter, among other pastors,

02:46:50 – 02:46:54:	which I hope people are recognizing is one of the recurring themes of this.

02:46:54 – 02:47:01:	LCMS pastors, agents of the Missouri Synod Corporation are slanders and gossips of the

02:47:01 – 02:47:08:	lowest order. Incidentally, it also very much proves their little networks that are pushing

02:47:08 – 02:47:14:	so much of this information and how it is being disseminated, not only from Synod,

02:47:14 – 02:47:19:	but from pastors up to Synod. There is a definite feedback loop in many of these cases.

02:47:20 – 02:47:25:	Unquestionably. And so that was on Saturday, the 11th, as was mentioned.

02:47:26 – 02:47:33:	The Wednesday after that, the 15th of March, we published the episode against the Antichrist,

02:47:33 – 02:47:39:	where we went through that press release, we should call it from Harrison,

02:47:40 – 02:47:47:	and detailed the ways in which he taught falsely and corrected what he stated in that.

02:47:47 – 02:47:51:	And I will link to that because that is worth relistening to if you have forgotten some of

02:47:51 – 02:48:00:	those specific, it ties into all of this. And as we keep mentioning, the podcast is a thread,

02:48:00 – 02:48:03:	there are interconnections everywhere, all of this is interconnected,

02:48:04 – 02:48:07:	because there is an animating intelligence on the other side.

02:48:08 – 02:48:14:	And there is an animating intelligence on this side, because we are fighting for Christ,

02:48:14 – 02:48:19:	and his kingdom and his bride, his truth. And the other side is fighting against it.

02:48:20 – 02:48:24:	So that same day after we published the Against the Antichrist episode,

02:48:24 – 02:48:29:	at some point in the afternoon, the same three pastors that have popped up at the very beginning,

02:48:29 – 02:48:33:	Dan Ross, Eric Johnson, and Ben Meyer, all confirmed that they had my docs.

02:48:33 – 02:48:38:	They did this on Twitter. So earlier in the afternoon, two of them were tweeting about

02:48:39 – 02:48:43:	Bible verses about darkness being brought into light, which is one of the very favorite

02:48:43 – 02:48:48:	things to say about us. They say that we were filled with darkness, that we're hiding in darkness,

02:48:48 – 02:48:54:	that anonymity is darkness, and that they're bringing the light to darkness with their slanderous

02:48:54 – 02:49:00:	accusations and their murderous lies. So in the afternoon, I could tell they got riled up because

02:49:00 – 02:49:05:	they were posting about light and in darkness and whatever. And I thought, you know, maybe this has

02:49:05 – 02:49:11:	to do with Luther commander a few days earlier saying that he had my docs. And then a couple

02:49:11 – 02:49:19:	hours after Eric and Ben were tweeting about light, Dan Ross posted a long thread with my docs.

02:49:20 – 02:49:26:	It didn't name me directly, but he gave specific details about where I live, about previous employment,

02:49:26 – 02:49:31:	that made it very clear that he knew where I lived, who I was, what my name was,

02:49:31 – 02:49:37:	and he was doing it to intimidate me. This is now CMS pastor in Oklahoma, mind you. He has no

02:49:37 – 02:49:44:	connection to Synod other than the hierarchy and his network of pastor friends. Somehow,

02:49:44 – 02:49:50:	he had my docs. And I didn't know at the time what had done it. But as I subsequently learned,

02:49:50 – 02:49:56:	on the first when I spoke to my past to my elder, Tom, and said, I'm coming to you as an elder,

02:49:56 – 02:49:59:	don't tell this to anyone, Synod is trying to dox me. What did he do?

02:50:00 – 02:50:08:	He immediately doxed me to Synod. And within 10 days, my docs was communicated up

02:50:08 – 02:50:12:	to St. Louis. I know for a fact that it went through corporate headquarters in St. Louis,

02:50:12 – 02:50:17:	and then it came back down to Oklahoma and to wherever Lutheran commander lives.

02:50:19 – 02:50:23:	This is direct, immediate proof that the Missouri Synod is participating in my docs,

02:50:23 – 02:50:29:	that they were spreading my personal private information among themselves.

02:50:29 – 02:50:36:	Now, Dan Ross has no relationship to me as a pastor. He's just some jackass on Twitter. He's

02:50:36 – 02:50:42:	a slander. He's a murderer. He's not a Christian. He was used as a specific example of one of these

02:50:42 – 02:50:49:	pastors who directly blast seemed scripture, gleefully, in service of the modern religion

02:50:49 – 02:50:54:	that the Missouri Synod holds to. He's a cult member. He's a card-carrying cult member because

02:50:54 – 02:51:01:	he's a pastor in this cult. When he posted my docs, he made it clear that he and Synod were acting

02:51:01 – 02:51:08:	in collusion to intimidate a layman, to threaten me physically, which keep in mind, I already knew

02:51:08 – 02:51:15:	that Synod was talking to the FBI and to police. These are intimidation tactics of the highest

02:51:15 – 02:51:20:	order. It was funny to watch because Dan posted that thread on Twitter and nobody responded,

02:51:20 – 02:51:26:	and I just ignored it. He retweeted a couple times and was plainly trying to get some attention.

02:51:26 – 02:51:32:	He was frustrated that no one took the bait because he thought it was so clever. This was a

02:51:32 – 02:51:37:	Wednesday. By Friday evening, he had deleted the entire thread, which means that someone else

02:51:37 – 02:51:44:	saw what he was doing and said, Dan, you idiot, you screwed up. You just physically proved beyond

02:51:44 – 02:51:52:	any shadow of doubt that the LCMS communicated my docs to you too late. It's archived. It's in

02:51:52 – 02:51:57:	Twitter's database. I have screenshots. It can be subpoenaed. Dan is the absolute proof that

02:51:57 – 02:52:02:	Luther Commander was telling the truth four days earlier that Synod had doxxed me. Again,

02:52:02 – 02:52:08:	I didn't know on the 15th how Dan got it. It wasn't until a couple weeks later, which is the rest of

02:52:08 – 02:52:15:	my part of the story where I found out how that happened. That was Wednesday the 15th. The following

02:52:15 – 02:52:21:	Tuesday the 21st, I had known at this point that I was going to be doxxed. I knew that I had been

02:52:21 – 02:52:26:	doxxed, which meant that I knew that at some point soon, what I had warned Tom about was going to

02:52:26 – 02:52:33:	come to fruition, that these liars from the cult in St. Louis were going to come to my elders and

02:52:33 – 02:52:39:	say, this guy's a terrorist. This guy is all these things. This guy is evil. I knew that that was

02:52:39 – 02:52:45:	coming. I didn't want them to be blindsided. So I spoke to a second elder and to another man that I

02:52:45 – 02:52:50:	trust in the congregation to get him up to date. I told him the same things that I had told Tom

02:52:50 – 02:52:55:	in the first meeting. I told him I had met with Tom. I didn't know at the time how I had been doxxed.

02:52:56 – 02:53:01:	It was clear to me in retrospect from their response that they didn't know yet either what

02:53:01 – 02:53:08:	was happening. They listened as Christians to all of it and said, okay, how do you leave a meeting

02:53:08 – 02:53:12:	like that where one of your laymen says this Synod is trying to physically destroy you.

02:53:13 – 02:53:17:	They didn't know what to make of it. At that point, I didn't care. I just wanted them to know

02:53:18 – 02:53:23:	not to make my case before Synod brought its lies, but just so they wouldn't be blindsided.

02:53:23 – 02:53:29:	Because again, we don't have a pastor. These guys are not involved in all in Synod politics or

02:53:29 – 02:53:35:	anything. It would be an absolute shock to anyone's system in their position for someone to reach down

02:53:35 – 02:53:41:	through the tentacles of Synod and make slanderous, defamatory accusations against me about things

02:53:41 – 02:53:46:	like terrorism and that the FBI has been called and that there were physical threats. I didn't

02:53:46 – 02:53:51:	want them to be hearing that for the first time from a stranger. So the way first I met with them,

02:53:51 – 02:53:57:	on the 30th of March, though the elders met privately, I was not aware of this at the time,

02:53:57 – 02:54:04:	but they met together to discuss the situation. And let's see, that was a Thursday, the 30th of

02:54:04 – 02:54:09:	Thursday they met together. Subsequent to that meeting of the elders, the president of the

02:54:09 – 02:54:16:	congregation contacted me by phone and asked if I'd be able to meet after church with them

02:54:17 – 02:54:22:	to discuss what was going on. At that point, I obviously knew the context of the meeting.

02:54:23 – 02:54:28:	Because of the previous ambushes, I asked the president point blank the names of all the men

02:54:28 – 02:54:33:	that would be present because I told him in like 15 minutes, I told him what had happened to Ash,

02:54:33 – 02:54:37:	what happened to Corey, what happened to Indy, what happened to Ryan, I said,

02:54:37 – 02:54:43:	if I'm going to show up, I want to know the name of every man present. If there's somebody else in

02:54:43 – 02:54:49:	the room that I don't recognize, this isn't going to happen. And he assured me that the names that

02:54:49 – 02:54:54:	he had given me would be the only names present. Okay, I believed him. So I showed up for a meeting

02:54:54 – 02:55:01:	on Sunday, the 2nd of April. I met with the president and two other witnesses for about 90

02:55:01 – 02:55:08:	minutes. And during that meeting, there was some back and forth where we sort of laid out the

02:55:08 – 02:55:14:	details of how we got there. And one of the things that the president made very clear by way of

02:55:14 – 02:55:20:	admission was that Tom had doxxed me to Senate. The elder in whom I had confided for his own

02:55:20 – 02:55:26:	spiritual sake is the one who had doxxed me to Senate. Apparently, his daughter has some connection

02:55:26 – 02:55:32:	to Senate. He went through her, that reached up directly to corporate. And then, as I said earlier,

02:55:32 – 02:55:38:	back down to multiple pastors and far flung parts of the country who now knew my name and address

02:55:38 – 02:55:43:	and were personally trying to intimidate me on the internet by posting part of my doxx,

02:55:43 – 02:55:49:	which incidentally, well, they're both legal and civil ramifications to those sorts of threats.

02:55:51 – 02:55:55:	During that conversation, I was pretty well prepared for it because, again, I had known

02:55:55 – 02:56:00:	what had happened before. What came out pretty quickly was that they started enumerating

02:56:01 – 02:56:07:	a few of the accusations against me. And it was the exact same wording that had been used with

02:56:07 – 02:56:15:	Ash and with Ryan and with Indy. They highlighted three specific things and said that I was guilty

02:56:15 – 02:56:19:	of them. And I got them to clarify. I said, where did you get that language? I asked the president,

02:56:19 – 02:56:25:	where did he get that language? Because I knew it didn't come from him. And he admitted that

02:56:25 – 02:56:31:	Synod had transmitted to them through Tom documentation, the dossier, part of the dossier

02:56:31 – 02:56:38:	that Matt Harrison had assembled against me, a layman, targeting me for the large cataclysm for

02:56:38 – 02:56:43:	my opposition to that false doctrine. They had physical copies of it. I said, I want to copy

02:56:43 – 02:56:48:	of that because I knew at this point everyone else had been having these secret charges

02:56:48 – 02:56:52:	from secret accusers. It's something that when you hear the transcript from Ryan,

02:56:52 – 02:56:57:	when you hear his clips, he had the same problem. There was a secret dossier assembled against him.

02:56:58 – 02:57:04:	The details were just sort of read off completely haphazardly with no context,

02:57:04 – 02:57:09:	with no opportunity to respond to explain what is going on. And in his case, it wasn't even

02:57:09 – 02:57:14:	things he had said. It was things other men said. But even then, it was still secret accusers.

02:57:14 – 02:57:18:	So I knew the secret accuser thing was going to happen because I knew the accuser was.

02:57:18 – 02:57:24:	The accuser is Satan. His agent is Matt Harrison. Whoever assembled the secret dossier, probably

02:57:24 – 02:57:30:	on payroll, is the accuser who passed this down through my elder to my congregation. So

02:57:30 – 02:57:37:	I have a physical copy of that printout. It's a list of some tweets going up through about March

02:57:37 – 02:57:44:	23rd, roughly. They're not screenshots. They're just copy pastes of the words that were in the

02:57:44 – 02:57:49:	tweets. I never bothered to check to see if they were verbatim what I had said on Twitter.

02:57:50 – 02:57:54:	The reason I mentioned that is that I didn't need to in this meeting because

02:57:55 – 02:58:01:	one of the other guys who was there, as I was sort of explaining the backstory to what was

02:58:01 – 02:58:06:	happening, he said, let's just get down to basics. We don't need to hear your excuses.

02:58:07 – 02:58:11:	I've always liked you and respected you. You're the most knowledgeable man about

02:58:11 – 02:58:14:	scripture in the congregation. I've always been very impressed with your knowledge of

02:58:14 – 02:58:19:	Lutheranism, so I'm shocked to find out you're not a Christian. That's almost verbatim what he

02:58:19 – 02:58:25:	said. He was shocked to learn that I wasn't Christian based on the tweets. Okay, fine.

02:58:26 – 02:58:31:	Let's look at this piece of paper. You pick a tweet and you tell me which one is in Christian,

02:58:31 – 02:58:36:	and let's talk about it. He said, I don't want to do that. I said, which specific thing have I

02:58:36 – 02:58:40:	said is not Christian? He said, well, all of it's not Christian. I said, okay, great. Then we can have

02:58:40 – 02:58:46:	a specific example and we can discuss the details of why I, in good conscience, said something

02:58:46 – 02:58:51:	and why you think that it's not Christian. That means I'm going to hell for a tweet.

02:58:52 – 02:58:59:	He refused. At no point in 90-minute conversation was there any actual discussion of the specifics

02:58:59 – 02:59:04:	of anything that I had said. Now, the other two men who were present bathed themselves in a

02:59:04 – 02:59:08:	completely Christian manner, I have no problem with how that meeting was conducted. It was not

02:59:08 – 02:59:12:	an ambush. The President was true to his word. The only men who were present there were the

02:59:12 – 02:59:18:	men he had named. I believe him completely that on his part, he was not acting on the orders of

02:59:18 – 02:59:22:	Synod. That only played out because we didn't have a pastor. If there had been a pastor,

02:59:22 – 02:59:26:	I don't know what would have happened, but I would have at least had a personal relationship with the

02:59:26 – 02:59:32:	man. As it happened, basically the same thing happened in my 90 minutes with them has happened

02:59:32 – 02:59:38:	to Ash and to Indy and to Ryan, which was that no specifics were ever discussed. It's just,

02:59:38 – 02:59:43:	oh, it's all bad. It's all not Christian. It's all evil. It's kind of frustrating as a Christian

02:59:43 – 02:59:50:	when someone says you're going to hell and can't tell you why. That's something that should concern

02:59:50 – 02:59:54:	anyone because I do take it seriously. As I've said in previous episodes, when someone comes to me

02:59:54 – 03:00:00:	and says you're doing something wrong, that trips a circuit breaker and I pause whatever I'm doing

03:00:00 – 03:00:05:	and I evaluate, are they right? Because regardless of how they bring it to me, regardless of what I

03:00:05 – 03:00:11:	think of them, if I'm doing something sinful, that's my chief concern. If I'm sinning against God,

03:00:11 – 03:00:16:	that matters more than any of the circumstances surrounding it. When these men say you're going

03:00:16 – 03:00:21:	to hell, as Matt Harrison said in writing in his publication on February 21st,

03:00:22 – 03:00:27:	I like specifics. I like to look at the specifics. That's the reason the six weeks after Matt Harrison

03:00:27 – 03:00:32:	published that, we refuted it line by line because virtually every word of it was a lie.

03:00:33 – 03:00:38:	Most of it was blasphemous against the God of Scripture, which at this point should be no

03:00:38 – 03:00:44:	surprise to anyone listening. We're not dealing with Christians, not in my church. The response

03:00:44 – 03:00:50:	that Tom had to me coming to him in brotherly love to say, I know you're not going to like this,

03:00:50 – 03:00:55:	but I need you to know because it's going to hurt you. As I said, he's never spoken to me again.

03:00:55 – 03:00:59:	In fact, he has left the church. The reason I said we don't have three elders anymore is he's

03:00:59 – 03:01:06:	left. He hates me so much for Stone Choir that he went around to the rest of the congregation.

03:01:06 – 03:01:14:	The reason that we were having the meeting wasn't simply that the dossier came down to the elders.

03:01:14 – 03:01:19:	It was that Tom had gone around to the rest of my congregation, to everyone whose support he could

03:01:19 – 03:01:26:	elicit, to say, he's evil. We need to get him out of here. Interestingly, exactly the same treatment

03:01:26 – 03:01:34:	that Corey received. He's evil. Get him out of here. There was not a single notion in Tom's mind

03:01:34 – 03:01:40:	of me being called to repentance, of any specifics being discussed. It was literally, damn him,

03:01:41 – 03:01:47:	let's go. He hates me so much that he's never come to church again. I don't know what to make of that.

03:01:47 – 03:01:52:	The history that I had with him, we had bumped heads before and we had reconciled as Christians.

03:01:53 – 03:01:57:	I truly believe that there's demonic influence in his household. There's no rational explanation

03:01:57 – 03:02:02:	for that. It's something that I told the president because the president of the congregation has been

03:02:02 – 03:02:08:	friends with Tom for 40 years. He said he considers him to be like family and he had no idea where

03:02:08 – 03:02:13:	the hatred came from. The reason for disclosing these details is I told the president of the

03:02:13 – 03:02:20:	congregation, I can tell you why it's happening. It's not Tom's spirit. This is an animating spirit

03:02:20 – 03:02:25:	that's coming from outside of this congregation that has possessed him. This is evil that is being

03:02:26 – 03:02:33:	acted out through men. It makes no sense when you look at it rationally. A lot of people,

03:02:33 – 03:02:37:	maybe you're listening and we're over three hours in, probably not many people listening left, but

03:02:38 – 03:02:42:	on paper, when someone says there's a Christian disagreeing with another Christian,

03:02:42 – 03:02:47:	and then you describe the behavior of one of them, if you believe that the person behaving

03:02:47 – 03:02:51:	that way is a Christian, you can't reconcile the two because Christians don't act that way.

03:02:51 – 03:02:56:	What Tom did is not how any Christian would ever act. Again, I told him,

03:02:56 – 03:03:01:	I will be placed in physical jeopardy if you tell anyone. What did he do? He immediately told Senate.

03:03:02 – 03:03:08:	Within 10 days, not only had he gone up through corporate in St. Louis, but it had come back down

03:03:08 – 03:03:13:	to the very enemy pastors who've been hunting and hounding and defaming us for years on Twitter.

03:03:13 – 03:03:19:	That is not Christian behavior, which is why when I say this is a cult, that's what I'm talking about,

03:03:19 – 03:03:26:	these intimidation tactics, these isolation tactics with zero interest in discussing scripture

03:03:26 – 03:03:31:	or discussing what it means to actually be reconciled to Christ. It's not what you ever

03:03:31 – 03:03:34:	find in a Christian church, but it's what you find in the LCMS.

03:03:35 – 03:03:41:	And so the next item in the timeline is back to Ryan, in this case the 18th,

03:03:43 – 03:03:48:	and he was informed that there'd be another meeting no earlier than the 21st. It's not

03:03:48 – 03:03:54:	considered urgent. However, he was at that time threatened with the minor ban. And again, we'll

03:03:54 – 03:04:00:	refer you to the thread that he has going that has more details on what is going on in his case.

03:04:01 – 03:04:09:	And so on the 29th of April, one month ago, I guess I forgot to close out without that meeting left.

03:04:10 – 03:04:13:	The purpose of the meeting on the part of the present was fundamentally to figure out what we

03:04:13 – 03:04:20:	do, what do we do as a congregation, not with me, but what do we do collectively with a situation

03:04:20 – 03:04:26:	where a now former elder has gone around stirring up controversy, slandering another church member,

03:04:26 – 03:04:30:	making it so that there's the possibility that other people would also leave the church.

03:04:30 – 03:04:36:	If they even saw me there. And I told him something that I had said previously on

03:04:37 – 03:04:42:	Stone Choir. I had always known when I began this podcast that I may well be doxxed as a result,

03:04:42 – 03:04:47:	but by putting my voice out there, and by saying the same things that I always say in person,

03:04:48 – 03:04:52:	not hiding in darkness, you could recognize the things that I say because they're things I've

03:04:52 – 03:04:59:	said to other people in the LCMS. There's things I've said to pastors in the LCMS face to face.

03:04:59 – 03:05:04:	So it was very likely at some point someone say, I recognize that guy, and whether they

03:05:04 – 03:05:09:	behave as Christians or not is between them and God. I'm not worried about that. One of the

03:05:10 – 03:05:17:	possible outcomes that the president offered was that I simply leave, that I leave the church

03:05:17 – 03:05:23:	forever, just stop showing up because I would solve the problem. And I told him that I knew that it

03:05:23 – 03:05:27:	was possible that it might come to that because I would not have on my conscience

03:05:29 – 03:05:35:	other people actively sinning against me simply by sitting in the pews next to me stewing with

03:05:35 – 03:05:42:	hatred. And if that would cause them to leave the church, I would have to weigh very carefully

03:05:43 – 03:05:48:	how I in good Christian conscience could deal with that. Obviously, I am being targeted by sin and

03:05:48 – 03:05:55:	by evil, but at the same time, it is possible to become a stumbling block for someone by that

03:05:55 – 03:06:00:	meaning to actually cause them to sin by what you're doing, even if what you're doing isn't

03:06:00 – 03:06:08:	necessarily per se sin. So I told him there was an open question, but this was just before Monday,

03:06:08 – 03:06:13:	Thursday. We had previously that Sunday. So that would have been, that was a Sunday priority Easter.

03:06:13 – 03:06:18:	I said, well, this is Holy Week. I'm not going to stop coming to church during Holy Week.

03:06:18 – 03:06:22:	I'll show up for the Good Friday service and then I'll come to the Sunday service and

03:06:23 – 03:06:27:	we'll take it from there. And I told him this since the primary problem that the church was dealing with

03:06:29 – 03:06:34:	was not whether or not I had said something online, but the fact that Tom had stirred people

03:06:34 – 03:06:40:	up against me. And so I said, I will show up. I will be an appease. You come to me and let me know

03:06:41 – 03:06:44:	if other people are saying they're going to leave the church if they don't drive me out

03:06:45 – 03:06:49:	because that were the case. That would be new information that I would have to weigh.

03:06:50 – 03:06:56:	And maybe I would have to leave. Maybe I would, as a matter of conscience, have to walk away,

03:06:56 – 03:07:01:	not for the sake of abandoning the faith, certainly, but for the sake of not being the

03:07:01 – 03:07:06:	cause of other people going to hell because they were so filled with hatred that they would rather

03:07:06 – 03:07:11:	separate themselves from Christ than be sitting in the same room as me in church.

03:07:12 – 03:07:16:	So I was basically where that meeting was left. And one of the other things that came up was that

03:07:16 – 03:07:22:	we could, because we don't have a pastor, he said that he thought it would be helpful for

03:07:22 – 03:07:29:	me to speak with a pastor for him to just hear out some of the concerns, you know, the dossier,

03:07:29 – 03:07:36:	the docs from Synod. He wanted, he admitted that he wasn't theologically apt to debate those things

03:07:36 – 03:07:40:	with me. And I wasn't going to try to beat up on him because I would win even if I were lying.

03:07:40 – 03:07:46:	It wouldn't be fair, and we agreed to that. So I agreed that if I would defer to his judgment,

03:07:46 – 03:07:49:	if he wanted me to meet with another pastor. So on the 29th, that's what we did.

03:07:51 – 03:07:57:	The 29th was a Saturday. I sat down with the president of the congregation as a witness.

03:07:57 – 03:08:01:	He didn't really say anything. He was just there to kind of hear things out and to be a witness to

03:08:01 – 03:08:08:	the events with one of the pastors who has served us once or twice during our vacancy.

03:08:08 – 03:08:13:	And so I agreed to show up. I expected an ambush. I expected that it would be as bad as everything

03:08:13 – 03:08:19:	else that everyone had received. I was honestly shocked by what happened. I had the only Christian

03:08:19 – 03:08:27:	meeting of all of this. For four hours, the pastor asked me whatever he wanted. We had a very

03:08:27 – 03:08:32:	fruitful back and forth. By the end of the first hour, he said, I can tell you have answers for

03:08:32 – 03:08:40:	everything. And he wasn't being snarky. He could understand that when he had concerns about something

03:08:40 – 03:08:46:	he had heard about what I said about race or whatever, that I wasn't just shooting my mouth off,

03:08:46 – 03:08:52:	but I could substantiate my positions. Which isn't to say that he agreed with everything. He made

03:08:52 – 03:08:56:	clear that he didn't agree with everything I said. But when we got down to the brass tacks of what

03:08:56 – 03:09:01:	does Scripture say and what is it that I am trying to accomplish by saying these things,

03:09:01 – 03:09:07:	by about the end of the third hour, he basically told the president that I don't see anything here

03:09:07 – 03:09:12:	based on our discussion that would lead me to believe that there's something that there's a

03:09:12 – 03:09:16:	sin to be repented of that would be something certainly for acts of communication, which we

03:09:16 – 03:09:22:	both agreed. It was not a clean bill of health. It was not him agreeing with me by any measure

03:09:22 – 03:09:28:	simply saying, I don't see a reason why this man would be put under church discipline for what we

03:09:28 – 03:09:33:	have discussed. Now, obviously, even a four-hour conversation where I had no agenda and I was

03:09:33 – 03:09:37:	given no agenda, I agreed to that. I showed up and he asked me whatever he wanted. Every single

03:09:37 – 03:09:42:	question he asked, we discussed at length. He shared some of his concerns. I gave him my explanations

03:09:42 – 03:09:49:	for why I believed that what I was doing was legitimate in the face of his concerns. And

03:09:49 – 03:09:52:	I don't mean to suggest by any means a yak. We asked what I said or he didn't agree with me,

03:09:53 – 03:09:58:	but he agreed that this was part of a longer conversation that he would need to go do some

03:09:58 – 03:10:03:	more research. I'm sure at this point probably Synod has reached out to him directly and told him

03:10:03 – 03:10:08:	many of the slanderous things. I recounted some of those things to him, but he sat down across

03:10:08 – 03:10:13:	from me face-to-face for four hours and we demonstrated to each other we are Christians.

03:10:14 – 03:10:19:	We have disagreements about some things. I'm not worried about them. The thing that I wish that

03:10:19 – 03:10:24:	this pastor had been able to talk to some of the other men instead of me, because the other men

03:10:24 – 03:10:29:	were far less deserving. Well, no man deserves the treatment that they received. But if this man

03:10:29 – 03:10:34:	who spoke to me had been in all these other situations, none of them would have happened,

03:10:34 – 03:10:38:	because he would have dealt with them in a Christian fashion and none of the outcomes

03:10:38 – 03:10:44:	would have occurred as they did. Even if in the case that ultimately there were some sin to be found

03:10:44 – 03:10:51:	among us, it would not have transpired as it did in these other cases. I'm thankful to God and

03:10:51 – 03:10:56:	I'm thankful to that man that he is a faithful Christian. When we say things like the Missouri

03:10:56 – 03:11:03:	Synod is a cult, I mean that in all sincerity. That does not mean that they're not Christians in

03:11:03 – 03:11:09:	the Missouri Synod. This man who met with me was a Christian. He was a faithful Lutheran pastor

03:11:09 – 03:11:14:	who's doing the best that he can. That's all I can ask of anyone. I don't ask anyone to agree with

03:11:14 – 03:11:19:	everything I say. I think that what we say on this podcast is worth hearing out. It's worth

03:11:19 – 03:11:24:	discussion. It's a point I made to him. We exist to talk about things that the rest of the church

03:11:24 – 03:11:32:	isn't talking about. Naturally, that's going to be in our blind spots as a church. The way that

03:11:32 – 03:11:37:	was less was that he was going to go and do some more study. I was not placed under discipline.

03:11:38 – 03:11:45:	Since the first meeting with the elders, I have not communed. That was for the sake of others.

03:11:45 – 03:11:51:	I was not placed under the lesser ban. I have voluntarily ceased to commune for the sake that

03:11:51 – 03:11:56:	I don't want to go up. I don't know who hates me in the congregation. I know that there are people

03:11:56 – 03:12:01:	to whom Tom slandered me. I don't know their names because just like Cory and everyone else,

03:12:01 – 03:12:05:	not one person has ever communicated with me. I talked to Tom. He never talked to me again.

03:12:05 – 03:12:10:	I talked to the second elder. He never talked to me again. I don't fault him for it, but at no

03:12:10 – 03:12:15:	point has anyone specifically who is harboring something against me come to me. No one has ever

03:12:15 – 03:12:20:	said, hey, I have a problem with what you're saying. Let's talk this out as Christian brethren.

03:12:20 – 03:12:25:	It's never happened. I am not communing in my congregation on the occasions when we have a

03:12:25 – 03:12:32:	pastor to provide the Eucharist for the sake of the other souls in my congregation because I know

03:12:32 – 03:12:37:	that if I go up and I'm at the altar rail beside them, one, I know that we're not communion because

03:12:37 – 03:12:44:	some of them hate me. I don't know who, but more importantly, I don't want them to see me there

03:12:44 – 03:12:49:	and to be sitting in the pews and seething or to be beside me at the altar rail, seething with

03:12:49 – 03:12:55:	hatred. The last thing that I would ever do would be the reason that someone would be sinning

03:12:55 – 03:12:59:	against the body and blood of Christ at the very moment they're receiving it for the forgiveness

03:12:59 – 03:13:05:	of sins. For that reason and that reason alone, I am not communed. Honestly, I don't know if I'll

03:13:05 – 03:13:09:	ever commune again at Lutheran Church. That's something I couldn't find which episode it was.

03:13:09 – 03:13:15:	It's something that we mentioned in an episode before any of this blew up where I said, even if

03:13:15 – 03:13:20:	I'm doxxed, even if I'm excommunicated, I'm going to continue to faithfully attend church. I said,

03:13:20 – 03:13:25:	I won't commune because I obviously would make communion with a congregation that would excommunicate

03:13:25 – 03:13:32:	me, but I will continue to be faithful to my vows. The only caveat that I gave in that comment was

03:13:32 – 03:13:38:	that they would have to get a restraining order to keep me from coming to church within, I think,

03:13:38 – 03:13:42:	a month or so. That's exactly what they did to Corey. I don't know if anyone from sin had heard

03:13:42 – 03:13:47:	that episode by, hey, that's a great idea, but Satan knew it was the only way to keep Corey from

03:13:47 – 03:13:52:	his church because he's faithful. We're faithful laymen. Even if we got something wrong about

03:13:52 – 03:13:58:	the large cataclysm, even if we got it all wrong, even if we were just complete doofuses and everything

03:13:58 – 03:14:03:	we said was wrong, we would receive faithful church discipline and we would continue to be

03:14:03 – 03:14:09:	faithful in our attendance because we obey God. We actually care about obeying God and there are

03:14:09 – 03:14:14:	precious few men involved in any of this. They can make that claim with a straight face.

03:14:15 – 03:14:19:	That was probably the best line from the Antifa Docs when they pointed out that

03:14:19 – 03:14:21:	I attended church every Sunday and sat in the same place.

03:14:24 – 03:14:28:	It's something I wish that could be said exactly. I wish it's something that could be said about

03:14:28 – 03:14:34:	every one of our listeners and every member of our congregations, but at the opposite end of the

03:14:34 – 03:14:41:	spectrum from the experience you just described with that last pastor on that Sunday, the next

03:14:41 – 03:14:47:	day, the 30th, Manum returned to the pulpit for, I believe, the first time. I didn't check every

03:14:47 – 03:14:54:	single one of the live streams, but I doubt that in the course of his nearly dying, he took a break

03:14:54 – 03:15:01:	from nearly dying to preach. He returned to the pulpit on the 30th and basically the first thing

03:15:01 – 03:15:08:	he did was announce my excommunication. So apparently that warning shot from God was insufficient

03:15:08 – 03:15:14:	for him. I do intend to write him a letter. I'll go ahead and state that publicly and

03:15:15 – 03:15:19:	I guess we will see how hardened his heart is in this matter.

03:15:20 – 03:15:28:	Moving back to Matt Harrison, the next month, the 10th, Harrison appeared at a

03:15:28 – 03:15:35:	pastor's conference in Minnesota and he called us groomers for trying to take over the LCMS

03:15:35 – 03:15:42:	and for attempting to, again, one of their beloved terms, infiltrate the LCMS with white supremacy.

03:15:43 – 03:15:50:	However, one of the things that is notable from this talk that he gave is that he is angry about

03:15:50 – 03:15:56:	the number of people listening to this podcast. He is angry about the number of people listening

03:15:56 – 03:16:06:	to this podcast because we are having a very real, a concrete effect on the LCMS. We are pushing

03:16:06 – 03:16:12:	things back towards Scripture and he hates that because he hates Scripture, because he hates God,

03:16:12 – 03:16:17:	because the God of Scripture, the Lord God, is not Matt Harrison's God anymore.

03:16:18 – 03:16:23:	I don't doubt for a second that at one point in the past, I don't know when the switch happened,

03:16:23 – 03:16:27:	but at some point in the past, I don't doubt that he was a faithful pastor.

03:16:29 – 03:16:36:	But he no longer is. He has chosen to be something other than a Christian and that is a very real

03:16:36 – 03:16:44:	problem because he is pushing his false beliefs into the LCMS and the LCMS is one of the last

03:16:44 – 03:16:51:	standing conservative, traditional, true Christian churches in the US. And if the LCMS falls,

03:16:51 – 03:16:58:	it is a catastrophe for the church. Which, as we said in the episode on Here We Stand,

03:16:59 – 03:17:04:	this is why we're sticking around. This is why we started the podcast. This is why we talk about

03:17:04 – 03:17:10:	these issues. We believe the historic Lutheran explanation of the Christian faith. We believe

03:17:10 – 03:17:16:	that that is faithful. What we do not believe is that it is held anymore by the very men who

03:17:16 – 03:17:21:	claimed to uphold it. And that's what's so fundamentally difficult about all this is that

03:17:21 – 03:17:26:	when on one hand you have a man wearing a big cross saying, I'm Christian, I'm a Lutheran,

03:17:26 – 03:17:32:	I'm very confessional, I love the liturgy. And on the other hand, he says, I hate God,

03:17:32 – 03:17:39:	this stuff in the Bible is wicked and evil and sinful. We have been so brow beaten into just

03:17:39 – 03:17:45:	assuming at face value the claims of people who say they're Christian that we never for a second

03:17:45 – 03:17:50:	doubt that it might not be true. And in some sense, that's the way it should be. I mean,

03:17:50 – 03:17:54:	you should be able to believe if someone comes up to you and says, I'm a brother in Christ.

03:17:54 – 03:18:00:	The response should be, thank God, the response should not be for your hackles to go up and for

03:18:00 – 03:18:07:	you to be doubtful and to try to interrogate them to find out what their heresy is. That's not

03:18:07 – 03:18:13:	how the church should work. I don't want that. But the only way to prevent that from happening

03:18:13 – 03:18:21:	is if men are held to account by scriptural standards and where that means exposing men

03:18:21 – 03:18:26:	who are false prophets. When we call Matt Harrison a false prophet and describe these

03:18:26 – 03:18:34:	men as wolves, that's scriptural language. The facts matter. Maybe the fact is true or

03:18:34 – 03:18:38:	the fact is false. But in comparison to scripture, to say that a man is a false prophet,

03:18:39 – 03:18:45:	that is a scriptural category. God says there will be false prophets who will come to you

03:18:45 – 03:18:53:	in sheep's clothing, that there will be wolves who will try to destroy God's church to devour

03:18:53 – 03:18:59:	his sheep, and that if people are not on guard, they will succeed. God doesn't want a single

03:18:59 – 03:19:05:	soul snatched from his hand. But when people are asleep, it's possible. When pastors are

03:19:05 – 03:19:12:	derelict in their duties, it's likely. When pastors openly embrace falsehood, even by degrees,

03:19:12 – 03:19:18:	it's a certainty. And so this is what the fight is for. It's not about internet drama. We're

03:19:18 – 03:19:23:	at three and a half hours now. This is a painfully long episode for you listening. I'm losing my

03:19:23 – 03:19:30:	voice just doing it. All these details are part of a hideous tapestry of evil. And the reason for

03:19:30 – 03:19:36:	laying all of them out simultaneously is that if you just see some part of it, it's very easy to

03:19:36 – 03:19:42:	think, oh, well, maybe it's just a confusion. Maybe it's just, you know, he said, she said,

03:19:42 – 03:19:48:	I wish we could get over these doctrinal disagreements, but we got to come together and try to find

03:19:48 – 03:19:55:	common ground. I wish that were the case. Unfortunately, it isn't. And as long as it's not

03:19:55 – 03:20:01:	the case, we have to guard our souls and we have to guard our brothers in Christ as well.

03:20:02 – 03:20:08:	And so returning to Ryan, we have two more points on Ryan's timeline thus far. That is

03:20:08 – 03:20:17:	obviously still ongoing. But on the past Thursday, the 18th, he put out his second Twitter thread.

03:20:17 – 03:20:23:	We will again link to that. And it gives some of the details of what has been happening

03:20:23 – 03:20:28:	since the initial thread and the publication of the so-called annotated large catechism.

03:20:30 – 03:20:34:	And then on the 21st, undoubtedly partly in response to that second Twitter thread,

03:20:35 – 03:20:41:	Ryan was placed under the minor ban. And so now they are lining things up to potentially

03:20:41 – 03:20:48:	excommunicate him as well. And the crucial point to note about that is that it was an immediate

03:20:48 – 03:20:55:	response to him publicizing the thread where he disclosed the abuses he had been subjected to

03:20:55 – 03:21:02:	by synod agents. They didn't say a word about it when they said you are banned from communion,

03:21:02 – 03:21:07:	you are in open sin. They said you are in open sin and you're banned from communion

03:21:07 – 03:21:11:	for all the same things that they had talked to him about two months earlier. Now, what's

03:21:11 – 03:21:15:	fascinating about that is that two months earlier, when they said, well, we'll have another conversation

03:21:15 – 03:21:21:	towards the end of May beginning of June, there was no urgency. Even though Ryan told them point

03:21:21 – 03:21:27:	blank, you haven't told me anything here for me to repent of. So I'm not sure why we would meet

03:21:27 – 03:21:32:	again for you to just say the same stuff again. If you believe that I'm an open sin, let's deal

03:21:32 – 03:21:36:	with it now. They had no interest now. They went to kick the can down the road because they thought

03:21:36 – 03:21:42:	that as long as they kept it secret, they could continue to browbeat him. And to be explicit,

03:21:42 – 03:21:48:	his sins are being friends with Corey and I for speaking to us publicly. Never mind the fact that

03:21:48 – 03:21:54:	he and I and Corey, we disagree on many things. We disagree privately all the time about things.

03:21:54 – 03:21:59:	We don't argue with each other in public because we can argue in private. That's a better place

03:21:59 – 03:22:03:	to have an argument with a friend. He certainly doesn't subscribe to everything. I think no one

03:22:03 – 03:22:09:	does. I think that's one of the seminal aspects of this is that suddenly the church, the so-called

03:22:09 – 03:22:16:	church, the Missouri Synod, is imposing this notion that if you have public contact with anyone

03:22:17 – 03:22:21:	by necessity, you must believe everything that they believe and you're guilty of everything

03:22:21 – 03:22:28:	that they're guilty of. Literally no one can survive that. It's funny. Their pastors who,

03:22:28 – 03:22:34:	Hans Feeney, went on a stream last week with an atheist Jew to condemn Christian nationalism,

03:22:35 – 03:22:42:	he's platforming her by the standards that Ryan's being held to. Ryan is being told that because

03:22:42 – 03:22:47:	he tweeted about one of our posts, one of our podcast episodes from Stone Choir, and Ash was

03:22:47 – 03:22:53:	accused of the same thing, that he, because he retweeted one of our episodes of Stone Choir,

03:22:53 – 03:22:58:	he was to be disciplined unless he disavowed our entire persons. That was a language that

03:22:58 – 03:23:04:	was used repeatedly against Ryan, against Ash, against Indy. You are guilty by association of

03:23:04 – 03:23:11:	being friends with those men. Why? Because Harrison knows that Stone Choir is a threat to his demonic

03:23:11 – 03:23:20:	activity. The large cataclysm stream was the kickoff because it brought into light the evil

03:23:20 – 03:23:25:	in Matt Harrison's heart and the things that he's been doing in Synod. He's not alone, plus

03:23:25 – 03:23:31:	Vogel, Kilkrease, all of these men are doing wicked things behind the scenes. They're spreading

03:23:31 – 03:23:38:	this doctrine. Forget slander, forget the personal destruction, forget the physical threats, forget

03:23:38 – 03:23:44:	the defamation. The fact that they're spreading doctrine in our church organs will be with the

03:23:44 – 03:23:52:	Missouri Synod until it becomes healthy enough to repudiate those false teachings. I don't think

03:23:52 – 03:23:57:	it's ever going to get there. I don't think it will ever get healthy enough to expel the foreign

03:23:57 – 03:24:04:	organisms that are introduced by the decade of Matt Harrison's damage to the Missouri Synod.

03:24:06 – 03:24:11:	One of the last things that we're going to cover here is, in a way, it's kind of a denouement to

03:24:11 – 03:24:17:	the very first thing that happened. We mentioned Operation Valkyrie and Chris Rose Bro registering

03:24:17 – 03:24:24:	a blog by that domain. About a month and a half ago, roughly now, he started posting on Operation

03:24:24 – 03:24:30:	Valkyrie along with his son, Josh. They were specifically coming after Corey and me. They're

03:24:30 – 03:24:35:	specifically coming after Ryan. They were specifically defending the large catechism.

03:24:36 – 03:24:44:	Josh has not been active on Twitter, at least not under his real name. He has a public account

03:24:44 – 03:24:51:	with that name. He doesn't use much until recently. However, he has numerous SOC accounts, which are

03:24:51 – 03:24:57:	when you stand up multiple fake accounts with fake usernames so that you can pretend to be

03:24:57 – 03:25:02:	a bunch of different people and try to convince someone that, oh, wow, everyone disagrees with me

03:25:02 – 03:25:09:	when it's actually one guy with four accounts. That's what Josh does. On the 22nd of May,

03:25:09 – 03:25:15:	this will pretty much be the end of our timeline, Chris Rose Bro's son, who again, Chris is AALC.

03:25:15 – 03:25:21:	He's a longtime friend of Todd Wilkin. Chris is basically the reason, incidentally, that Matt

03:25:21 – 03:25:27:	Harrison is president of the Missouri Senate. Most people don't remember, but Harrison kind of came

03:25:27 – 03:25:33:	out of nowhere. Part of the reason that he was given the opportunity to just barely sneak by a victory

03:25:33 – 03:25:40:	was that for a long period of time, Chris Rose Bro operated a series of blogs

03:25:40 – 03:25:47:	that were viciously attacking Jerry Kieschnick, a man who I have no fond memories of. Jerry was not

03:25:47 – 03:25:52:	a good guy. Jerry was exactly the sort of man you don't want in the Missouri Senate.

03:25:53 – 03:26:01:	And so when Kieschnick was devoured by the attacks from Chris, Harrison was able to step into the

03:26:01 – 03:26:08:	void and to be the confessional candidate that the good guys wanted to win. And one of the things

03:26:08 – 03:26:14:	that happened back then was that Kieschnick fired Todd Wilkin and canceled issues, et cetera. And then

03:26:14 – 03:26:20:	when I tried to keep the name, when Chris Rose Bro continued to host Todd Wilkin on Chris's own

03:26:20 – 03:26:25:	infrastructure, which was no doubt operated by Josh Rose Bro, his son, issues, et cetera, became

03:26:25 – 03:26:32:	one of the touchstones for Harrison's election and one of his fiercest advocates. So Wilkin,

03:26:32 – 03:26:39:	Harrison, and Rose Bro are a troika that go way back long before this. So immediately after Chris

03:26:39 – 03:26:46:	Rose Bro beginning his open attacks, specifically on Corey, on me, on Stone Choir, he went on

03:26:46 – 03:26:51:	Wilkin's show to do a show about Stone Choir. And we mentioned that a few weeks ago after it happened.

03:26:52 – 03:26:56:	On the 22nd of May, after he had been blogging on Operation Valkyrie for a while,

03:26:56 – 03:27:04:	Josh Rose Bro retweeted one of his own socks tweets that had my docs. Again,

03:27:04 – 03:27:10:	it was something that was specific, personally identifiable information. And the comment from him

03:27:10 – 03:27:18:	was that we had been sitting on this information for some time. So Josh made a comment that taking

03:27:18 – 03:27:24:	this V card has a much different connotation than normal, which if you're not familiar, it's a grotesque

03:27:24 – 03:27:30:	sexual innuendo that has to do with taking someone's virginity. The V card in question is,

03:27:31 – 03:27:37:	it's a fake poker card that has a V on it with a heart. And I didn't know what the V was until

03:27:37 – 03:27:43:	Josh explained his own meme that he was quoting from the other count, but this is the salient part.

03:27:43 – 03:27:47:	If you want to play this game, then let this guy know we're ready to play this card.

03:27:47 – 03:27:53:	We've been sitting on this one for a while. A few things there. The sock is Josh. The sock is

03:27:53 – 03:28:00:	Josh Rose Bro. We is plural, which in this case is not his multiple personalities. It refers to

03:28:00 – 03:28:07:	Chris to Josh, to the other men, including Dan Ross, Eric Johnson, and Ben Meyer, and whoever

03:28:07 – 03:28:13:	the Lutheran commander is, and others who are all given my information by the Missouri Senate.

03:28:13 – 03:28:20:	Chris Rosebow also has my docs. And what's he been doing? He's been sitting on it for a while.

03:28:20 – 03:28:26:	How long has he been sitting on it? Since early March when Tom docks me to Senate. But how long

03:28:26 – 03:28:32:	has he been preparing to docks me? Since February when he set up his blog before Antifa even set

03:28:32 – 03:28:37:	up their blog for docksing, because they knew that this concerted effort between the LCMS,

03:28:37 – 03:28:44:	the AALC, and Antifa to target us for personal destruction was, it's been in the carts.

03:28:44 – 03:28:51:	And Rosebow's affiliation with Harrison is not incidental. It's very deep. So the fact that

03:28:52 – 03:28:59:	the kerfuffle was kicked off principally by the large cataclysm thread from Ryan Ternopseed,

03:28:59 – 03:29:05:	and that's the main focus of Chris in his blog, can't be missed. One of the creepiest things

03:29:05 – 03:29:11:	that's happened, I hesitate to even say this, but as I said at the beginning, child rape

03:29:11 – 03:29:18:	is one of the things in the large cataclysm that is being normalized. Chris Rosebow and his son Josh

03:29:18 – 03:29:27:	have spent weeks screaming about loving pedophiles. Not worrying about the victims of child rape,

03:29:27 – 03:29:32:	but worrying about bringing the gospel to child rapists. The latest blogs from Chris's

03:29:32 – 03:29:38:	Operation Valkyrie are entirely in defense of pedophilia saying, well, yeah, it's a sin,

03:29:38 – 03:29:42:	but we got to love these people. We can't condemn them. We can't have the law for them.

03:29:43 – 03:29:47:	I think that the Ugandan solution is the appropriate solution. I think that as a matter of law,

03:29:47 – 03:29:51:	that would work. I think that would work really well. And as Corey mentioned earlier,

03:29:51 – 03:29:57:	the Supreme Court made that impossible. These guys love when the new religion with the new

03:29:57 – 03:30:03:	Supreme Court rulings takes away all the legal barriers to dealing God's justice to evil men.

03:30:03 – 03:30:08:	It's not for the church to ever do. The church doesn't meet out justice unless it's the Lutheran

03:30:08 – 03:30:13:	Church of Missouri Synod, in which case you call the cops, you threaten people of physical violence.

03:30:13 – 03:30:18:	The church's job is to worry about souls. The state's job is to worry about bodies.

03:30:18 – 03:30:24:	We are free to talk about both. We are not pastors who are limited to talking about the

03:30:24 – 03:30:28:	kingdom of the right hand. We are free as Christians to talk about politics,

03:30:28 – 03:30:33:	to talk about religion, to talk about their intersection, and to talk about how faithful

03:30:33 – 03:30:38:	Christians interact with all of them at the same time. And so this hysteria that has arisen

03:30:38 – 03:30:45:	from a very queer corner of the Lutheran sphere calls into question a lot of what's going on behind

03:30:45 – 03:30:52:	the scenes. There's a lot more to what's going on than we have made public here. There's a lot more

03:30:52 – 03:31:00:	going on, and they're revealing much of it by their own screaming. When we threw a rock into a pack

03:31:00 – 03:31:09:	of dogs and one came out yelping about pedophilia, we know which rock landed. It was the one slide

03:31:09 – 03:31:14:	that I made that highlighted that when the large cataclysm says a pedophilia is a speck in your

03:31:14 – 03:31:20:	neighbor's eye and we said that's vile, that's repugnant to Christ, that is animating much of

03:31:20 – 03:31:27:	the attacks against us. So stone choir is serving God's purposes. We will continue to do this as

03:31:27 – 03:31:32:	long as we draw breath. We will continue to be faithful in our churches as long as we draw breath,

03:31:32 – 03:31:37:	because we owe our duty to God. We don't owe it to any church, nor any church body,

03:31:37 – 03:31:40:	certainly not one that seeks our physical destruction.

03:31:42 – 03:31:45:	So for those who are still listening, and particularly if you're Lutheran,

03:31:46 – 03:31:53:	you may be wondering what you can do, because we've detailed a very serious ongoing problem or

03:31:53 – 03:32:02:	set of problems in the LCMS. But what can you do about that? And the answer to that is the same

03:32:02 – 03:32:08:	as what we would tell you on the political side in some cases. You're going to act locally.

03:32:08 – 03:32:15:	That's how you can address this problem. And so I'm going to read a document that will include

03:32:15 – 03:32:20:	in the show notes as well, giving some information, some suggestions about what can be done

03:32:21 – 03:32:26:	to start addressing these problems in the LCMS and eventually in the larger church.

03:32:29 – 03:32:34:	If a member of an LCMS congregation takes strong exception to the conduct or direction of Synod,

03:32:35 – 03:32:39:	one of the least used but potentially most effective means of feedback

03:32:39 – 03:32:45:	is withdrawal of financial support to Synod. While calls, letters, and resolutions are all

03:32:45 – 03:32:50:	good and useful, there are times when each of those will fail to elicit the response

03:32:50 – 03:32:57:	that turning off the cash will. A portion of every congregation's budget is allocated to at-large

03:32:57 – 03:33:03:	spending. This is typically money dispersed through the district for Synod programs or

03:33:03 – 03:33:09:	further upstream to the Synod level. These funds are generally unrestricted, made available to

03:33:09 – 03:33:16:	district and Synod for any purpose they see fit. This usually amounts to a few percent of the

03:33:16 – 03:33:22:	congregation's total budget. All of the other expenses we typically think of in a congregation

03:33:22 – 03:33:28:	fall under the at-home budget. We as individual Christians and collectively in our congregations

03:33:28 – 03:33:35:	have every right to withhold our tithes from teachings or conduct that do not reflect our faith.

03:33:36 – 03:33:40:	Beyond the local level, the pocketbook is by far the loudest voice we have.

03:33:41 – 03:33:46:	It is one that will not be ignored, and the net effect at the local level is a positive.

03:33:47 – 03:33:52:	The chief objections will be that we are obligated to blindly give Synod money,

03:33:52 – 03:33:57:	and that failing to do so will impact all manner of worthy programs unrelated

03:33:57 – 03:34:03:	to whichever corner of Synod has drawn our ire. To the first, the response is simple.

03:34:03 – 03:34:08:	To whatever extent we are obligated to send the Synod money, they have an infinitely greater duty

03:34:08 – 03:34:16:	to use it to serve God faithfully. To the second, disrupting all programs is precisely the necessary

03:34:16 – 03:34:22:	outcome. If the Synod is able to continue all its conduct unimpeded, then we have accomplished

03:34:22 – 03:34:29:	nothing. They have sufficient unrestricted funds to move them around if we continue remitting,

03:34:29 – 03:34:35:	but earmark the programs we like. Other than a minor paper shuffle, it would have no impact.

03:34:36 – 03:34:43:	Dropping remittances to zero forces whatever issue has necessitated this very serious measure.

03:34:44 – 03:34:47:	And so there are two steps. Two stages, stage one,

03:34:48 – 03:34:54:	mark all donations at home, and communicate with your church treasurer to ensure it is

03:34:54 – 03:34:59:	understood that these funds are restricted from remittance to district or Synod.

03:35:00 – 03:35:04:	Stage two, discuss your concerns with others in your congregation.

03:35:05 – 03:35:11:	If the congregation has the same problems with LCMS conduct, discuss terminating all remittances

03:35:11 – 03:35:14:	until such time as those concerns are addressed.

03:35:41 – 03:35:47:	To be explicit, we're not saying don't fund Synod because you like Stonequire. It's not us versus

03:35:47 – 03:35:56:	them. This is about their conduct against Christian laymen, period. If I were not a victim of their

03:35:56 – 03:36:02:	defamation and their attacks and their threats, I would still be as every bit as incensed as I am

03:36:02 – 03:36:08:	at this conduct. It's part of the reason that we're describing this. This is not self-defense.

03:36:08 – 03:36:11:	The people who believe me, we're going to believe me anyway, and the people who hate me

03:36:11 – 03:36:17:	won't believe anything I say. We're not gaining any ground by sharing this for our own sake.

03:36:17 – 03:36:23:	What we're doing is making the entire timeline clear so that all Christians in the LCMS can know

03:36:23 – 03:36:29:	this is what your Synod dollars are being spent for. There were LCMS employees on the payroll,

03:36:29 – 03:36:37:	meaning your dollars were being spent for them to dox us, for them to call the FBI on laymen.

03:36:38 – 03:36:43:	Maybe you don't agree with anything we say. If you think that if a Christian can call the FBI on

03:36:43 – 03:36:48:	another Christian because he doesn't like what he says, that's your business. But if you have a

03:36:48 – 03:36:54:	problem with it, this is one of the most effective things you can do. Yes, it's going to cause some

03:36:54 – 03:36:59:	disruption to your congregation. That's the point. Your treasurer is going to be annoyed. We mentioned

03:37:00 – 03:37:04:	talk to him or her, figure out what the most appropriate way to do it is so that you can

03:37:04 – 03:37:11:	ensure that it's easy for your local congregation and yet deny Synod any money at either the district

03:37:11 – 03:37:16:	or the synodical level. Because to be clear, every DP who is given these marching orders

03:37:16 – 03:37:22:	follow them to a T. The district, and it was random. It's not like Oklahoma is like the super

03:37:22 – 03:37:27:	lib part of the Synod. It turns out it's pretty bad, but frankly, I'm not sure where the good

03:37:27 – 03:37:35:	places are. It's awfully hard to find. It's not like we just stumbled over a coven in Oklahoma.

03:37:35 – 03:37:41:	The simple fact is the Synod is in this bad a shape. Until such time as we can rectify those

03:37:41 – 03:37:46:	spiritual problems, our voices can best be heard with our dollars. You individually cutting off

03:37:46 – 03:37:52:	your money, we're not saying reduce your donation. We're suggesting if you think that there are

03:37:52 – 03:37:56:	problems here that you have with what Synod is doing. Maybe it's this, maybe it's something else.

03:37:57 – 03:38:02:	Resolutions are not enough. Emails are not enough. When you cut off personally,

03:38:02 – 03:38:06:	you're giving more money to your local congregation. You're not cheating God,

03:38:06 – 03:38:12:	which is one of the false responses they would have. Are you cutting off programs you may like?

03:38:12 – 03:38:20:	Yes. When Synod begins being Christian again, the money can come back. But until that time,

03:38:20 – 03:38:25:	this is probably the single most effective thing we can do as individuals, because your

03:38:25 – 03:38:30:	conscience will be clean that you are not funding these attacks. You'll have the opportunity to

03:38:30 – 03:38:35:	start the conversation in your congregation. Maybe you're alone. Maybe the only one who cares

03:38:35 – 03:38:40:	and everyone's going to think you're a nutcase. Welcome to the club. What can I say? That's

03:38:40 – 03:38:45:	increasingly what the Christian life is going to be like. If, however, there are other people who

03:38:45 – 03:38:50:	share some of your concerns about some of these things, then perhaps as a congregation, you would

03:38:50 – 03:38:54:	decide that this is the appropriate measure to take. I'm not saying anyone should do it.

03:38:55 – 03:38:59:	Personally, I would like to see it happen, but congregations like no way. I think that's wild.

03:38:59 – 03:39:05:	I think that's inappropriate. Okay. I don't think you're going to hell. I think that there are

03:39:05 – 03:39:11:	reasons that someone could articulate that would outweigh their misunderstanding of the situation.

03:39:11 – 03:39:15:	I don't think if someone believes everything that we've just laid out, that believes we're telling

03:39:15 – 03:39:22:	the truth about these verifiable, provable, witnessed facts, I don't think you could continue

03:39:22 – 03:39:28:	funding Senate, but if you disagree, that's fine. That's between you and God in your conscience.

03:39:29 – 03:39:34:	This is one way that we can say, you know what? There's a lot more people upside about this than

03:39:34 – 03:39:41:	just two jerks with a microphone and a few jerks on Twitter. The fate of the Christian church in

03:39:41 – 03:39:47:	North America hinges on whether Christians can be faithful in the face of these sorts of attacks,

03:39:47 – 03:39:53:	not necessarily our personal situation, but in general, as this plays out over and over in

03:39:53 – 03:39:58:	multiple denominations, there's no question that there's an animating intelligence behind the attacks.

03:39:59 – 03:40:03:	And as Corey said, there's also an animating intelligence on this side. God speaks to us

03:40:03 – 03:40:09:	through scripture. So the fact that Stone Choir is mostly a Bible study podcast,

03:40:10 – 03:40:14:	that's why Senate is angry. We're pointing to the parts of scripture that they condemn.

03:40:14 – 03:40:17:	We're pointing to the parts of scripture that have been forgotten for so long

03:40:17 – 03:40:23:	that when Matt Harrison condemns them in public, no one even recognized it. The things that he said

03:40:23 – 03:40:30:	that condemns God didn't raise any questions from people. They thought, oh wow, Nazis. All right,

03:40:30 – 03:40:34:	that's scary. That's really bad. Nobody thought, hey, this guy just blasphemed God Almighty.

03:40:35 – 03:40:38:	That's the degree of ignorance that exists in the Missouri Senate. That's what I want to see

03:40:38 – 03:40:45:	fixed. And it's going to happen only when we cut these men off and we drive them out. They do not

03:40:45 – 03:40:50:	belong in the church. They were a threat to souls. They were a threat to lives. They're a threat to

03:40:50 – 03:40:56:	everything that Satan is a threat to because they are acting on behalf of their Lord. Their Lord is

03:40:56 – 03:41:02:	Satan and he will rule in hell with eternity with them. We are going to do what God says.

03:41:02 – 03:41:07:	We are slaves to Christ and we will continue to obey him. And the angrier people get at that,

03:41:07 – 03:41:11:	frankly, at this point, that just tells me we're over target. Even if at some point in the past,

03:41:11 – 03:41:15:	I might have wondered, somebody's mad, maybe we should do something differently. Now,

03:41:15 – 03:41:21:	when people become furious and set up a new blog and a new Twitter account, just to attack us,

03:41:21 – 03:41:25:	means we nailed it. It means that we threw that the rock into the pack of dogs and the one that

03:41:25 – 03:41:30:	comes out yelping is the one we were aiming for. We don't need to see where the arrow is going,

03:41:30 – 03:41:36:	where the stone is going, because God is guiding it to its target. This has been a four hour episode.

03:41:36 – 03:41:39:	God bless you if you made it all the way through. I'm sure even the truck drivers are tired at this

03:41:39 – 03:41:45:	point, but we won't be doing another episode like this. This was just a one time thing to lay out

03:41:45 – 03:41:50:	the entire timeline of what happened. This is our permanent record of everything, not everything,

03:41:50 – 03:41:56:	portions of what we bore witness to, everything that we can prove. So again, if you're incented,

03:41:56 – 03:42:01:	if you're one of these flying monkeys, if you think that we've said everything that we know,

03:42:01 – 03:42:06:	everything that we could prove, well, I hope you don't behave in a manner that assumes that,

03:42:06 – 03:42:10:	because it's not the case. We're saying what's necessary to lay out for a layman,

03:42:10 – 03:42:14:	how to fight the evil in their church, to know that there's evil there and that something needs

03:42:14 – 03:42:21:	to be done. It's up to everyone else what you do. Please pray. Pray for us. Pray for Harrison.

03:42:21 – 03:42:26:	Pray for these evil men. These men are evil and they still need our prayers. I didn't understand

03:42:26 – 03:42:32:	the passages in Scripture about hardening hearts until this began. I understand it now,

03:42:32 – 03:42:37:	as I've watched it in real time. But even then, all we can do is pray for God to deal with our

03:42:37 – 03:42:43:	enemies justly and fairly and mercifully, because that's what we would hope for ourselves.

03:42:44 – 03:42:50:	I am going to add just a little bit of emphasis or nuance, which I usually don't necessarily do,

03:42:50 – 03:42:57:	but in this case I will, to the comments about whether or not you should withhold your tithes.

03:42:58 – 03:43:04:	I would say that you should. I would say that you are morally bound to do so if you believe

03:43:04 – 03:43:09:	the things we have just said in this episode. Because if you believe the things that we have

03:43:09 – 03:43:15:	said in this episode, then you know for a fact that your tithes, if they go to Synod,

03:43:15 – 03:43:22:	if they go to the district, they are going to be used to push evil. They are going to be used

03:43:22 – 03:43:27:	to fund the salaries of evil men. They are going to promote evil. They are going to tear down

03:43:27 – 03:43:32:	the Synod, in fact. They are going to harm the church. And so you are conscience bound

03:43:32 – 03:43:36:	to withhold that tithe from men you know will use it for evil.

03:43:38 – 03:43:42:	Now, as was mentioned, we aren't saying it's us versus Synod. That's not the point here.

03:43:43 – 03:43:47:	The point is to use your tithes to advance the mission of the church,

03:43:48 – 03:43:54:	to serve your neighbor, to serve your congregation, to do all these things that are supposed to be

03:43:54 – 03:43:59:	done with your tithe. Because as a Lutheran, when you hear about a tithe, you of course should be

03:43:59 – 03:44:06:	thinking about Luther's comment that God doesn't need your good works. Because God also doesn't

03:44:06 – 03:44:12:	need your money. Your money is worth nothing to God. There is no amount of gold you could amass

03:44:12 – 03:44:19:	that would mean anything to God. God didn't have them decorate the temple with gold everywhere inside

03:44:19 – 03:44:25:	because gold is valuable to God. Your neighbor needs your good works. Your neighbor needs what

03:44:25 – 03:44:31:	can be bought with your tithe. And so if it were just us versus Synod, we would tell you,

03:44:31 – 03:44:36:	well, whatever you would have given to Synod, write that check to us. And we're not telling you that.

03:44:36 – 03:44:42:	We're telling you, give that money to your local congregation. Or do any of the things that you

03:44:42 – 03:44:47:	would like Synod to be doing that Synod is not doing and do them yourself. You can pass out a

03:44:47 – 03:44:53:	small catechism. You can buy a case of them and pass them out. You can probably find them fairly

03:44:53 – 03:44:59:	cheap if they're used. And they're probably going to be lightly used, which is a problem to discuss

03:44:59 – 03:45:06:	another day. But we're not telling you just withhold your money. We're telling you ensure that it is

03:45:06 – 03:45:13:	directed where it will do good, where it will do what God intends for it to do. We'll end this

03:45:13 – 03:45:18:	episode with a short reading from Scripture. Just reading the words of Christ from Luke 12.

03:45:36 – 03:45:40:	You have whispered in private rooms shall be proclaimed on the housetops.

03:45:40 – 03:45:46:	I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more they

03:45:46 – 03:45:54:	can do. But I will warn you whom to fear. Fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast

03:45:54 – 03:46:04:	into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.