Transcript: Episode 0017
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WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:02.000 You 00:30.000 --> 00:42.000 Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. I am Corey J. Moller, and I'm 00:42.000 --> 00:48.500 well. As promised in this episode, we are going to be talking about how Scripture interfaces 00:48.500 --> 00:55.240 with biological race, how Scripture describes how God created the races, and the arguments 00:55.240 --> 01:02.480 that are sometimes used by Christians who are cherry-picking aspects of Scripture outside 01:02.480 --> 01:07.360 of their context to make secular arguments against some of the things that we've said in 01:07.360 --> 01:12.560 the past couple episodes. This is episode three on race. We didn't want to do too much 01:12.560 --> 01:18.760 about it, but as we said last week in particular, this is such an important subject to the world. 01:18.760 --> 01:22.240 The reason that there's so much fighting around it is that there's something theological 01:22.240 --> 01:26.920 going on here, and we are speaking about it because we believe that there's almost 01:26.920 --> 01:32.200 no one else who understands all of these moving parts the way we do, and a lot of people 01:32.200 --> 01:36.560 have gotten some value out of us, so we're going to continue. It's going to have a beginning 01:36.560 --> 01:41.200 and an end. The beginning was the episode where we talked about the biological reality 01:41.200 --> 01:47.240 of race. We laid out the genetics and people received that well. It's obvious. Science 01:47.320 --> 01:53.000 is not in opposition to Scripture. Reality is not in opposition to the creator of that 01:53.000 --> 01:57.960 reality. That should surprise no one who's listening, but that was a case we had to make 01:57.960 --> 02:05.160 first. And then last week, we specifically talked about the effects of race as they relate 02:05.160 --> 02:10.840 to sin and the fact that there are propensities for sin that are greater in some races than 02:10.840 --> 02:15.000 others, which is a really tough pill to swallow, and I'm sure that there are some people who 02:15.080 --> 02:19.080 have heard that and may never listen again if you're still listening. Thank you. As we 02:19.080 --> 02:23.960 said in each of those episodes, we were deliberately not going too much into Scripture for the very 02:23.960 --> 02:29.720 reason that if we had front-loaded Scripture in these multiple episodes, if we had just focused 02:29.720 --> 02:35.560 on what the Bible says and then gone on to science, I know of absolute certainty that as people 02:35.560 --> 02:39.240 listened, they would forget that we ever pointed to Scripture and to say, well, what you're 02:39.240 --> 02:43.480 saying does make any sense? Bible says this and the other thing. We deliberately did this 02:43.480 --> 02:48.840 kind of upside down by saving Scripture for the third episode so that we can contextualize all 02:48.840 --> 02:54.200 the things that we just said for the cat past couple weeks in a manner that is consistent with 02:54.200 --> 02:59.480 Scripture to say, look, the things that we just said do not fly in the face of what God has said. 03:00.040 --> 03:05.880 So this is episode three of five episode four next week is going to specifically be entirely about 03:05.880 --> 03:12.600 IQ and that's based in part on race. It is based in part on human history and the different 03:12.600 --> 03:19.640 people groups and it's not just a scientific thing. It's not just about a measuring contest to see 03:19.640 --> 03:26.120 who's smarter or who's stupider. There's no judgment involved in talking about IQ. The reason 03:26.120 --> 03:33.000 that that question matters is that if someone lacks the mental capacity to understand certain types 03:33.000 --> 03:39.720 of things, that precludes large amounts of theology from their understanding. They're not going 03:39.720 --> 03:44.920 to be able to understand things. So the reason that that's part of this is that talking about IQ 03:44.920 --> 03:50.520 is talking about the gospel. How do you share the gospel? Someone who can't understand hypotheticals. 03:50.520 --> 03:55.160 And then the last episode, episode five of this many series is going to specifically discuss 03:55.880 --> 04:02.440 the invention of racism in the late 1800s and what is followed because most people think the racism 04:02.440 --> 04:09.080 is a sin that God ordained as being against his will from before eternity and the we are doing 04:09.720 --> 04:15.080 what God wants us to do when we attack something that the world calls racism. So the capstone for 04:15.080 --> 04:19.480 all this is going to be to put all of this in context because the things that we've said so far 04:19.480 --> 04:24.440 and the things we're going to continue to say, the Missouri Senate in particular on their web page 04:24.440 --> 04:30.200 where they describe racism and responses to it, they basically refute every single thing that we're 04:30.200 --> 04:34.440 saying. They refute all the things that are factual that you've already agreed with. If you 04:34.440 --> 04:39.480 agreed with the previous episodes and so we're going to in the last episode in this series, 04:39.480 --> 04:44.520 we're going to completely dismantle the lies that the Senate has been telling really only since 04:44.520 --> 04:50.200 about the 70s prior to the 70s those lies weren't being told. But in the 60s something happened 04:50.200 --> 04:55.320 to the whole world and it seems more and more like there was a portal hell was opened and a 04:55.320 --> 04:59.880 whole lot of demons came pouring out and kind of went in all different directions. We saw the 04:59.880 --> 05:04.440 destruction of the Roman Catholic Church even worse than it was before. We saw the destruction 05:04.440 --> 05:10.920 of Protestantism Lutherans were not immune to it and all that began in the US really in the 60s. 05:10.920 --> 05:16.120 So we're going to finish this up by specifically addressing the chargers against us and now against 05:16.120 --> 05:20.840 you if you believe anything we've said that you are a racist and that you are going to hell if you 05:20.840 --> 05:29.000 don't repent for believing the truth about scripture and about creation. So to begin with in this 05:29.000 --> 05:35.320 episode on scripture and race we're going to recap and go back over some of the territory we covered 05:35.320 --> 05:40.520 and I think episode four where we talked about Christian nationalism. That was kind of the kickoff 05:40.520 --> 05:46.040 roughs really discussing the subject of race head on. So there'll be a little bit of repetition 05:46.040 --> 05:50.680 in this from that episode if you happen to listen to it. If you haven't go back and listen to it 05:50.680 --> 05:55.240 after this because there's a lot more to say about all these things in different directions. 05:55.240 --> 05:59.800 There will be some some recapitulation of some of those things but they're well worth hearing 05:59.800 --> 06:06.520 again because if you have a scriptural basis for believing what we have said and with a clean 06:06.520 --> 06:12.120 conscience then you're going to be immunized against charges of let's racist well you can't think 06:12.120 --> 06:17.720 that that's that's a sin. If that's true it's a very bad thing but if it's false you need to be 06:17.720 --> 06:24.280 equips from scripture to be able to respond it faithfully as a Christian. So that's what we're going 06:24.280 --> 06:29.240 to be talking about today. So let's begin back in Genesis once again I think at the table of 06:29.240 --> 06:37.240 nations. So to start off with a basic point about genealogies in scripture there are a lot 06:37.880 --> 06:43.240 of genealogies. It is not just in Genesis it's not just in the Old Testament the New Testament 06:43.240 --> 06:49.480 starts with the genealogy of Christ but genealogies play an important role in scripture they have 06:49.480 --> 06:53.960 to do with God's promises they have to do with of course who descends from whom that is the nature 06:53.960 --> 07:02.440 of a genealogy but part of the core thread of scripture is literally a bloodline from Adam 07:03.560 --> 07:13.160 through Noah through Shem through David down the line to Christ and so we begin that really with 07:13.160 --> 07:20.920 the table of nations which is of course Genesis 10 let me just pull that up here and Genesis 10 07:21.640 --> 07:27.640 gives the nations that are descended from the sons of Noah and of course Noah and his sons 07:27.640 --> 07:33.240 and their wives are the only ones currently living because the flood is just wipe the slate clean 07:34.040 --> 07:42.040 and so this gives the descent of literally everyone alive. Now these nations of course have 07:42.040 --> 07:48.600 further split as time has gone on we have more than just the number of individuals listed here 07:48.680 --> 07:53.240 relative to the number of nations that now exist or tribes depending on the resolution 07:54.520 --> 08:01.240 but this is the basic outline of what happened and you have the three great groups of humanity the 08:01.240 --> 08:08.200 three great races of men descended respectively japhith shem and ham in order of birth. 08:09.720 --> 08:14.760 Unsurprising shem would be second if you look at the one of the themes in the Old Testament 08:15.400 --> 08:21.880 God very often subverts the expectation that the best of things will go to the first born 08:22.440 --> 08:29.000 although japhith is definitely blessed we see that in the the blessing in the curses spoken by Noah 08:29.000 --> 08:34.920 later on but often the line of Christ goes through the second born so in this case it is the 08:34.920 --> 08:43.080 second born it is shem but you have japhith becomes basically Europe and a little bit of northern 08:43.080 --> 08:49.160 Africa because the sons of japhith became sailors and sailed the Mediterranean. You have shem who 08:49.160 --> 08:54.600 largely stayed in the Middle East for a period of time but then spread eastward into Asia and other 08:54.600 --> 09:01.080 places the Amerindians are descended at least in part from shem and then you have ham who moved 09:01.080 --> 09:07.320 southward through Egypt past the Sahara however big it happened to be at the time and down in 09:07.560 --> 09:18.360 Africa and so speaking of that it leads into the Exodus but of course before the Exodus you have 09:18.360 --> 09:26.440 the line of Christ moving to Egypt and then eventually the Israelites being enslaved in Egypt 09:27.160 --> 09:35.080 and Scripture is very clear that Egypt won the name is actually in the table of nations and 09:35.080 --> 09:42.360 two Scripture explicitly calls Egypt the land of ham that would be from one example Psalm 106 09:42.360 --> 09:49.080 they forgot God their savior who had done great things in Egypt wondrous works in the land of ham 09:49.080 --> 10:00.120 and awesome deeds by the red sea and so the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years we get that from 10:00.120 --> 10:10.440 Exodus 12 of course which says literally 430 years that is Exodus 12 verse 40 the time that the 10:10.440 --> 10:18.680 people of Israel lived in Egypt was 430 years at the end of 430 years on that very day all the hosts 10:18.680 --> 10:25.880 of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt and so the reason it's worth noting in this context 10:26.600 --> 10:34.760 the Exodus and the Sojourn in Egypt is that the Israelites were in Egypt 430 years over four 10:34.760 --> 10:41.560 centuries they are not called Egyptian they did not become Egyptian they lived there for a time 10:41.560 --> 10:49.160 that did not make them Egyptian simply moving somewhere does not make you a member of the race 10:49.160 --> 10:55.720 that inhabits that particular geographic location it makes you a Sojourner which is what the 10:55.720 --> 11:01.880 Israelites were which is how Scripture describes them and so when they left Egypt they were still 11:01.880 --> 11:08.680 Israelites they were not Egyptians even though they had been there 430 years which bear in mind 11:10.040 --> 11:15.800 most of the audience for this podcast and the two of us we live in the United States founded in 11:15.800 --> 11:25.320 1776 of course the colonies are earlier the nation came before the country but 430 years is a long time 11:26.200 --> 11:33.400 and I think it's important to note there that when the Israelites lived in Egypt there was 11:33.400 --> 11:37.880 no confusion the Egyptians didn't think they were Egyptian the Israelites didn't think they were 11:37.880 --> 11:42.680 Egyptian there was no inner breeding of the groups by and large there may have been a little bit 11:42.680 --> 11:51.240 but it was they were they were segregated not only socially but biologically and I think that's 11:51.240 --> 12:00.680 important to to observe because when we discuss the Israelites in Scripture there's a strong 12:00.680 --> 12:07.720 tendency today that I think is largely driven by Zionism by by beliefs they were originated in the 12:07.720 --> 12:16.840 United States primarily in the late 19th century to believe this somehow Israel was something special 12:17.800 --> 12:24.760 apart from all of their nations and apart from its purpose in God's plan of providing 12:25.320 --> 12:31.400 the Messiah's bloodline and also being a vessel to preserve the prophecies of the Messiah 12:32.040 --> 12:38.120 so a lot of times what you'll hear today is when someone denies their race exists at all 12:38.760 --> 12:43.960 and you say well what about the Israelites the knee jerk responses oh well they were special 12:43.960 --> 12:52.360 God shows them for a purpose well yes God used the used Abraham's bloodline through Isaac and Jacob 12:52.360 --> 13:00.040 specifically to provide the bloodline to Jesus but God also worked through other bloodlines and other 13:00.040 --> 13:06.520 places less important work certainly than giving us the Messiah there there's no one who would ever 13:06.520 --> 13:15.000 deny that God coming incarnate among us is chief of all events in human history so I'm not trying 13:15.000 --> 13:21.160 to diminish that in the slightest but the point is the fact that a people group that a race the race 13:21.160 --> 13:26.600 of the Hebrews was used for that purpose doesn't mean that they were the only race and that everyone 13:26.600 --> 13:31.960 else was just human there were all these different races that were serving different purposes you can 13:31.960 --> 13:40.920 see that even in Egypt what did God do with Egypt he created a great empire in that place 13:40.920 --> 13:45.960 that was on the Nile where they were going to be able to grow a great amount of grain he knew 13:45.960 --> 13:51.400 that he was going to be sending a famine he knew that he was going to be sending the Israelites into 13:51.400 --> 13:57.320 Egypt to become slaves to them for a period of centuries and then he was going to send them out 13:57.320 --> 14:04.120 from that place none of that story would have worked if God had not also used the race of the 14:04.120 --> 14:11.160 Egyptians to serve their purpose in history and so I don't think that it's a stretch at all 14:11.160 --> 14:16.120 to say that each of the races have had their purpose in God's plan some certainly greater some 14:16.120 --> 14:21.800 lesser some completely unknown we don't have to know what God's doing to believe that God is 14:21.800 --> 14:28.200 actually doing something and I think chief among our concerns in describing their race as a real 14:28.200 --> 14:34.600 thing is that we want to give God the glory for what he does in the world it's not just about well 14:34.600 --> 14:38.760 here's this one specific thing that I know he said he did so he gets credit for that and all the 14:38.760 --> 14:43.960 rest is random we talked about randomness last week and the tendency that we have to think oh it's 14:43.960 --> 14:47.480 who knows what happened you know you you have a baby and there's millions of sperm and 14:48.120 --> 14:53.320 it's it's all just random no God is in control of everything now that's not making an 14:53.320 --> 14:59.000 utterly deterministic claim about the universe it's saying that things happen when God desires that 14:59.000 --> 15:04.760 they happen things don't happen when God does not desire them and if there's something evil or 15:04.760 --> 15:12.520 something that seems to be bad they God permits he will also use that use that evil for his good 15:13.320 --> 15:19.640 and so it's not only the good that the Hebrew people were a vessel for despite their own 15:20.280 --> 15:24.600 incredible wickedness throughout scripture it's astonishing how evil those people were 15:25.240 --> 15:31.000 in in ways that in in some ways are far worse than some of the things we see even today when 15:31.000 --> 15:37.320 I think I mentioned before when you look at when Moses went up to get the 10 commandments from God 15:37.320 --> 15:42.840 and they saw the pillar of fire and smoke and God was up there with Moses with with a man who 15:42.840 --> 15:50.360 led them out of captivity it took less than 40 days for them to abandon God while he was right in 15:50.360 --> 15:56.600 front of him they got mad that Moses was gone for a few weeks and told Aaron make us a new God 15:56.600 --> 16:01.640 make make us a golden calf who will be the one who led us out of Egypt like that's in it's 16:01.640 --> 16:06.920 completely insane it's incomprehensible to us even as a pagan to think well if you saw this 16:06.920 --> 16:13.240 miracle and your God came down as a pillar of fire on a mountain and the guy that God sent to do 16:13.240 --> 16:18.680 that is up there talking to him wouldn't you have more patience than 40 days and yet that that 16:18.680 --> 16:24.200 was all they could master by when Moses came down they had descended into an orgy and they were 16:24.200 --> 16:28.680 worshipping pagan gods and who knows what else they were doing it was it was unspeakable evil 16:29.400 --> 16:34.760 in in in in the same amount of time that lent will take which is this is a period that will be 16:34.760 --> 16:41.560 beginning on the day that this episode is released so they were chosen for the purpose of being 16:41.560 --> 16:47.080 a vessel of God's promise but they were not the only race they were one of many in the table 16:47.080 --> 16:52.360 of nations list all of them there's one interesting thing that I want to note I encore you can 16:52.360 --> 16:58.200 correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that in most places in scripture especially in the Old 16:58.200 --> 17:03.320 Testament when you're talking about the patriarchs it will say that in Adam had other sons and daughters 17:03.320 --> 17:07.640 so there will be some who were enumerated and then there will be others as simply I mentioned 17:07.640 --> 17:11.960 now I believe that the table of nations is complete and Noah is in the table of nations 17:13.160 --> 17:18.120 the reason that I think that's interesting is that although Noah lived to be 950 17:18.120 --> 17:24.440 it never says that he has had more than those three sons and I think the fact that God limited 17:25.960 --> 17:32.600 Noah's offspring to three men who became the fathers of the greatest nations of what became 17:32.600 --> 17:38.040 today what we call Africans principally Asians and principally Europeans like those are distinct 17:38.040 --> 17:44.520 groups that still exist in the world today and we can trace it directly back to a specific chapter 17:44.520 --> 17:51.000 in Genesis so when we talked in episode one of this about how this isn't evolution this is 17:51.000 --> 17:56.360 God acting in history I think there's some significance to the fact that God did not bless Noah 17:56.360 --> 18:00.840 with additional children unless I'm wrong can you correct me Corey no I think it's very obvious here 18:00.840 --> 18:08.040 that this is a complete list this is an exhaustive list of the nations and verse 32 the last verse 18:08.040 --> 18:13.960 in Genesis 10 emphasizes that point these are the clans of the sons of Noah according to their 18:13.960 --> 18:19.800 genealogies in their nations and from these the nations spread abroad on the earth after the flood 18:20.440 --> 18:27.240 so there's no mention of anyone else these are all of the human beings ever to exist contained 18:27.240 --> 18:33.720 within these men enumerated in this listing in Genesis 10 so I think what that tells us is that 18:33.720 --> 18:39.720 God wanted there to be Africans he wanted there to be Europeans and Asians now it's important to 18:39.720 --> 18:45.080 know when you look at the genetics that there was definitely more admixture of the sons of J 5th and 18:45.080 --> 18:50.360 the sons of Shem as they sort of went kind of north of the east and west there was more mixture than 18:50.520 --> 18:58.200 there is with the sons of ham we have really the only genes we have in common with Africans as 18:58.200 --> 19:04.360 Asians and Europeans goes pretty much back to the tower of Bable you know more or less just after 19:04.360 --> 19:10.120 the flood there's very little commonality beyond that which is rooted in Noah himself knowing his 19:10.120 --> 19:16.440 wife and his son in ham and his wife those four people have all the genes that we would have in 19:16.440 --> 19:23.000 common with that group and again that's a no way denial of their humanity or their worth 19:23.000 --> 19:28.520 or God Jesus sacrificed for them which is something we'll get to in a little bit we're not making 19:28.520 --> 19:35.720 a qualitative judgment we're simply saying God did this God made Africans he didn't make infinite 19:35.720 --> 19:40.040 human beings of all just were fungible we're all completely interchangeable and you can have an 19:40.040 --> 19:44.840 African and you move them over here and suddenly he becomes someone from Ohio God didn't do that 19:44.840 --> 19:51.800 it's not how he created the world and so when these discussions occur today there's such a tendency 19:51.800 --> 19:56.440 among especially Christians who want to be nice they want to be kind and they want to point to 19:56.440 --> 20:04.920 the cross go too far and delve into what's functionally narcissism to deny that the flesh the God 20:04.920 --> 20:11.880 has created in time and throughout time through a series of fathers going back and back to whom we 20:11.880 --> 20:19.800 are commanded by God to have respect and to love and to obey when we as Christians try to be more 20:19.800 --> 20:24.360 moral than God and say well none of that even happened you're human I'm human there's no difference 20:24.360 --> 20:31.800 at all that's a lie and it's a denial of what God did and that is the reason to get these things 20:31.800 --> 20:38.680 right because we as we say frequently if you let any lie into your own epistemology how you view 20:39.320 --> 20:44.760 all of these subjects whatever lie you say yeah that's mine I don't want to this this race stuff 20:44.760 --> 20:48.440 it bothers me too much I want to think about it I want to hear about it I'm just gonna lie and say 20:48.440 --> 20:55.240 the world exactly the same that's Satan's hook in your mind to be able to do damage down the road 20:55.240 --> 21:01.960 and it's pretty clear what that damage is as we see in the world and on one side you have Antifa 21:01.960 --> 21:06.040 saying that and on the other side you have Christians saying exactly the same thing 21:07.000 --> 21:12.840 that's them on the same side how did that happen how did Antifa and Christians both deny the 21:12.840 --> 21:20.040 race is real when scripture says that God created it and created all of us according to the image 21:20.040 --> 21:26.120 of our fathers going back and back and back and back and so the emphasis on fatherhood and the 21:26.120 --> 21:32.120 emphasis on patrilineal lines it's not something man invented as Corey said there's so many 21:32.120 --> 21:39.480 genealogies in scripture not only for Jesus line but just in general God like there's there 21:39.480 --> 21:44.440 books in the Bible the people skip because they're so boring because it's just genealogy and then 21:44.440 --> 21:49.240 we're supposed to believe today that genealogy doesn't matter that the way that God created us 21:49.240 --> 21:54.120 through our fathers doesn't matter how do you obey the fourth commandment when you do that how do 21:54.120 --> 22:01.080 you believe the Bible when you do that so discussion of race is not it's not an assault on on the Christian 22:01.080 --> 22:06.200 faith it's just making sure that we're shoring up the foundations that God has given to the very 22:06.200 --> 22:11.000 faith that is presented to us in scripture and it really does come down to the fact that if you 22:11.640 --> 22:17.480 deny race you are cutting yourself off at the knees when it comes to defending the faith 22:18.360 --> 22:22.760 because it is everywhere in scripture and it plays out in the natural sciences as well 22:23.560 --> 22:30.200 if you affirm what scripture says you can also affirm what science has found you can show people 22:30.200 --> 22:33.720 who believe in the science who will believe in the numbers if you can show them those 22:34.440 --> 22:37.560 look scripture says that's exactly what you're going to find if you look 22:38.440 --> 22:43.480 because these are entirely in agreement because of course if you look at the natural world 22:43.480 --> 22:48.920 in an honest way and believe the conclusions you actually find you don't filter them through 22:48.920 --> 22:55.000 some sort of ideology to skew the data if you look at what is actually there it fully aligns with 22:55.960 --> 23:02.600 because scripture is actual history Genesis is the actual history of the world with a focus yes 23:02.600 --> 23:08.040 on humanity of course but it is the history of the world and so what is contained in scripture 23:08.040 --> 23:15.160 is what you will find in nature it is what you will find in creation because as some used to say 23:15.160 --> 23:23.320 God has two books one is scripture one is creation they both attest to his glory and if you look 23:23.320 --> 23:28.920 in Job when God speaks directly to Job he does not in fact appeal to scripture now of course 23:28.920 --> 23:33.320 you can argue that's partly because Job is one of the oldest books possibly the oldest book in 23:33.320 --> 23:40.040 scripture but God appeals to creation when he is speaking of his glory and we should pay attention 23:40.040 --> 23:47.720 to that but this is probably a good place to refute a particular argument that comes up sometimes 23:47.800 --> 23:54.280 with regard to the existence of the nations of the races and that would be the Tower of Babel 23:54.840 --> 24:00.600 now you have a small problem with the ordering here if you're trying to say the Tower of Babel 24:00.600 --> 24:06.200 has something to do with the creation of the races because well the table of nation come before 24:06.200 --> 24:11.080 the Tower of Babel because the Tower of Babel is chapter 11 in Genesis and so far as we're 24:11.080 --> 24:15.560 pretending the chapters are really a thing but anyway it comes after it in the text and 24:15.640 --> 24:22.680 to be very clear the Tower of Babel is not where the races were created God did not come down 24:22.680 --> 24:29.720 and make races at Babel and the races are not a punishment they're not a consequence of sin 24:29.720 --> 24:35.160 they are part of God's good creation I will come back to that in a minute to explain why we 24:35.160 --> 24:41.400 know that for certain but when it comes to the Tower of Babel it is such an important story 24:41.480 --> 24:47.080 in scripture that if you ask even Christians very few would be able to tell you oh yeah of course 24:47.080 --> 24:53.240 it's one paragraph but it is it's literally one paragraph it is a very short section in scripture 24:53.240 --> 24:57.960 but of course it's very important I attempted to read it into a small study now but that's not 24:57.960 --> 25:07.480 really the place for it but the story of Babel is that instead of obeying God men and we can 25:07.480 --> 25:13.480 debate who exactly is present in this but at least some of the sons of the sons of Noah 25:13.480 --> 25:18.600 are present here and they build a tower they say they're going to make a name for themselves 25:18.600 --> 25:23.480 they are defying God who told them to spread out and cover the face of the earth which was his 25:23.480 --> 25:31.560 intention for the nations and so God comes down which that's a bit of biblical irony for you 25:32.280 --> 25:36.520 think about that one for a minute God comes down to confuse their language so they can no longer 25:36.520 --> 25:41.800 work together and continue sinning in this open high handed fashion and that disperses them 25:41.800 --> 25:50.360 as they were supposed to do beforehand one the scriptures has nothing here about dispersing 25:50.360 --> 25:56.520 them in a way that creates new nations or new genetic information and that's one of the problems 25:56.520 --> 26:03.000 if you contend that new genetic information was created by God at the Tower of Babel you are 26:03.000 --> 26:10.200 implicitly denying earlier on in Genesis when Adam names Eve and he names her Eve because she 26:10.200 --> 26:17.480 is the mother of all living if God comes down and creates a new genetic information and by doing 26:17.480 --> 26:23.480 that creates the nations at Babel creates the races there you're saying there's a break between 26:24.120 --> 26:30.520 those who are still descended from Eve and those who are descended effectively from God's work 26:30.680 --> 26:37.080 at Babel so that conflicts with what scripture says but to go back to the issue of how we know that 26:37.080 --> 26:43.160 the races are not a consequence of sin they're not a consequence of the fall they are not a punishment 26:44.440 --> 26:52.680 they are preserved in revelation because John speaks of seeing a huge crowd from every tribe 26:52.680 --> 26:58.680 in nation well he knows this because they still look likely belong to different tribes and nations 26:59.320 --> 27:05.800 so that's preserved in paradise this is part of God's good creation that's preserved in paradise 27:05.800 --> 27:11.880 and of course you can't say therefore that it is a consequence of sin or a punishment because sin 27:11.880 --> 27:18.360 is not preserved and the consequences of sin are not preserved in paradise so if the tribes and the 27:18.360 --> 27:24.680 nations are preserved they are part of God's good plan they are in and of themselves good and 27:24.680 --> 27:31.240 that's exactly what we see in scripture from Genesis through Revelation I think that what they're 27:31.240 --> 27:42.200 trying to say when they claim that God created races at Babel is it's from the specific verse where 27:43.560 --> 27:49.160 it says and the Lord said behold they are one people and they all have one language and this 27:49.160 --> 27:53.720 is the only beginning of what they will do and nothing that they propose to do will now be 27:53.720 --> 27:59.000 impossible for them I think the one people thing is what they're they're hooking on to and saying well 27:59.000 --> 28:04.520 they were all exactly the same and then God did something and it changed things now that's probably 28:04.520 --> 28:09.320 part of the sense part of the problem though they're conflating two separate things because it 28:09.320 --> 28:15.720 doesn't say they're one people it says the whole earth has one language it says that as people 28:15.720 --> 28:19.480 migrated from the east and so I think they're conflating that a little bit to try to say that the 28:19.480 --> 28:22.440 the one language is one people when it doesn't tell us that they're one people 28:23.800 --> 28:28.440 okay I was reading from the SV I didn't actually go back and look at maybe that's butchering it 28:28.440 --> 28:34.120 in any event the the the problem I want to the the problem to highlight there is that it ignores 28:34.120 --> 28:39.480 the command the god gave to Adam and repeated to Noah this was the at the at the end of 28:39.480 --> 28:46.440 Genesis 9 he again says to Noah and you be fruitful and multiply increase greatly on the earth 28:46.440 --> 28:53.560 and multiply in it it's a repetition of filling the earth and subduing it filling the earth was part 28:53.560 --> 28:59.000 of God's eternal plan they weren't to stay in one place and that was precisely what the tower 28:59.000 --> 29:06.680 was to do they wanted to remain one people they wanted one race the human race that was literally 29:06.680 --> 29:13.080 the cry of bable we are one people we are one race we will be mighty we will do things that no one 29:13.080 --> 29:21.080 else can understand and God said no I told you to disperse now is corny as you just highlighted 29:21.640 --> 29:26.600 all of the genetic information came from Adam and then from Eve by having been taken from him 29:28.440 --> 29:33.720 and as we described in the first episode it's entirely consistent that all the genes in Adam 29:33.720 --> 29:39.800 have been winnowed down in different directions they basically been sived among the different nations 29:39.800 --> 29:45.960 and sub nations as you go throughout time to the point that corny and I have very similar genetic 29:45.960 --> 29:51.320 backgrounds I'm like 75% English give or tape and about 20% German and I think you're kind of the 29:51.320 --> 29:56.760 flip side of that more or less aren't you pretty close guy more scholars than English but close 29:56.760 --> 30:02.200 enough yeah you know they're like ultimately we're all the same people because if you go back 30:02.200 --> 30:07.240 far enough when they were moving around they're all coming from from the Germanic lands before so 30:08.200 --> 30:15.000 we are closely related if if you know we had a co-host who was was Russian or some other Slavic 30:15.000 --> 30:22.200 nation they would be more distantly related because of physical distance and the time of separation 30:22.200 --> 30:29.480 so the people at bable they were one people in the sense that they had Noah as their father and 30:29.480 --> 30:34.520 they were you know second third fourth fifth cousins however far they had disperse genetically 30:34.520 --> 30:39.800 they were still very closely linked because they lived in the same place God said no you people 30:39.800 --> 30:45.080 are supposed to fill the earth that I've created I made this magnificent planet for you and you're not 30:45.080 --> 30:49.880 going anywhere you're just sitting here being idolatrous again I just killed everybody because 30:49.880 --> 30:54.840 your idolatry and you're doing it again no I'm gonna come down and I can fuse your language and 30:54.840 --> 30:59.240 I'm gonna send you the corners of the earth so that you will obey because if you won't obey because 30:59.240 --> 31:04.600 you believe me and fear me you will obey because I'm gonna make it impossible for you to talk to 31:04.600 --> 31:09.480 your cousin and that's exactly what happened suddenly the the man who standing next to him who was 31:10.200 --> 31:15.800 related closely certainly by modern standards was a stranger you could understand a word he said and 31:15.800 --> 31:22.040 so they naturally self-segregated and drifted apart and spread as God commanded and so all of the 31:22.040 --> 31:28.600 discussion from the episode on the biological nature of race talked about that dispersal about how 31:28.600 --> 31:33.480 people went largely their separate directions you had shem in the Middle East and in some 31:33.480 --> 31:41.400 in Asia you had jay fifth you know to India and to to Europe and you had ham basically to Africa 31:41.400 --> 31:46.920 and that's pretty much where humanity stayed more or less in their places until you get to the 1500s 31:46.920 --> 31:53.160 when the sons of jay fifth began exploring the rest of the world by sea there's you can do some 31:53.160 --> 31:57.720 stuff over land but when you start moving by sea it completely changes everything and that's 31:57.720 --> 32:03.080 something we talk about in the alley election episode where we also discuss race we talk about how 32:03.080 --> 32:09.480 the sons of jay fifth were the first to actually obey the great commission and take Christianity 32:09.480 --> 32:14.040 apart from their lands to other lands and when they went to the Americas and they went into 32:14.040 --> 32:19.880 deepest darkest Africa that's what they did they took the gospel with them Ethiopia and a tiny corner 32:19.880 --> 32:26.280 of an impossibly large con of Africa had Christianity but whatever attempts that they made to spread it 32:26.280 --> 32:31.080 to their neighbors completely failed it was just that one tiny corner that was all it was ever 32:31.080 --> 32:36.680 there they never evangelized the rest of Africa and for all intents and purposes it seems like the 32:36.680 --> 32:42.120 Indians on the tiny coast probably where Mark went never told anybody they didn't even tell their 32:42.120 --> 32:47.960 next door neighbors so you have a tiny sliver but no evangelism no no spreading of the gospel 32:47.960 --> 32:53.080 there was preservation of it and is coin I we're talking about this before we started I point out 32:53.080 --> 32:57.160 that you know maybe they shook the dust off their feet maybe they said our neighbors are 32:57.160 --> 33:03.400 are never going to accept this so I'm not condemning Ethiopians and Sudanese and in the Indians 33:03.400 --> 33:09.640 who had the gospel for not spreading it because I don't know what the situation was but we know with 33:09.640 --> 33:15.240 an absolute certainty there was only Europeans who took Christianity to India and to Africa even 33:15.240 --> 33:21.000 though there were Christians who were natives to those lands so again the races as they play out 33:21.000 --> 33:28.360 in time have a real impact on on the spread of the gospel just as they did in the old testament 33:28.360 --> 33:34.200 where it was principally the Hebrews not exclusively but principally the Hebrew people you know once 33:34.200 --> 33:39.960 you get passed at Abraham there were many believers before Abraham but he was one among them and I 33:39.960 --> 33:44.680 think that's important to know Abraham wasn't a Hebrew he wasn't in Israelite that was that was his 33:44.680 --> 33:50.840 grandson who became the father of that people Abraham was just a believer he believed in the promise 33:50.840 --> 33:56.040 of Christ which made him a Christian and he learned it from his father and we have no 33:56.040 --> 34:01.480 reason to believe that that was not a commonly held belief by others some of who may not have been 34:01.480 --> 34:06.600 related I mean they were in the area so they're probably somewhat related but it wouldn't necessarily 34:06.600 --> 34:14.920 have been exactly the same clan and we see in European history that much of the the mythology 34:15.000 --> 34:21.480 points to echoes of the Christian faith having once been held in places where it died out 34:21.480 --> 34:27.800 where it turned into myth and it turned into then paganism but at one time people far distant from 34:27.800 --> 34:35.000 the Middle East had at least some kernel of the gospel promises that God gave well in advance 34:35.000 --> 34:42.760 of Christ's birth and so God uses different races and different times for different purposes 34:42.760 --> 34:48.280 and that's to his glory we don't get to rob him of his glory because again we have a duty to our 34:48.280 --> 34:53.720 fathers my fathers are English and German predominantly and more broadly all of North 34:53.720 --> 35:01.320 Western Europe those are my people other people are not my people that's not a hateful thing to say 35:01.320 --> 35:07.720 if you are Chinese you're not my people and I'm not your people and that's not a hateful thing to 35:08.200 --> 35:13.720 say it's an acknowledgement that our roots are commonality goes back very far where is the roots 35:13.720 --> 35:19.960 that I have with someone like Corey are in the much more recent past you know we both have ancestors 35:19.960 --> 35:25.880 who were here in colonial days from earliest colonial days were probably related many times over 35:25.880 --> 35:32.680 even on this continent and certainly in Europe that's how it works when you are of the same people 35:32.680 --> 35:37.800 as someone else it means that you're your family and I think that's I think next we're going to 35:37.800 --> 35:42.920 think the next thing we're going to talk about is the fourth commandment and how the obedience to 35:42.920 --> 35:49.640 the fourth commandment particularly as it's explained by Luther as a fundamental part of all of this 35:49.640 --> 35:57.560 your duty to obey and to honor your father and your mother doesn't end with those two human beings 35:58.200 --> 36:03.640 there's no excuse well yet God says I have to obey my dad but my grandpa whatever he's not 36:03.640 --> 36:09.240 he's not enumerated I can do whatever I want to him even after the sake of argument such thought 36:09.240 --> 36:16.760 would were possible the only way that I as a man could honor my father would be to respect his 36:16.760 --> 36:24.440 duty to honor his father which would require obeying his grandfather my grandfather so even if you 36:24.440 --> 36:29.560 take the most literal strict reading of the fourth commandment which we believe as Lutherans is 36:29.560 --> 36:35.000 not permissible but even if you did that it doesn't change your fundamental duty to honor and to 36:35.000 --> 36:40.840 obey your ancestors again unless it contravenes the first commandment where we fear love and trust 36:40.840 --> 36:48.280 in God above all things if your choices between God and your father you choose God short of that 36:48.280 --> 36:54.680 you obey your father in obedience to God and you obey all of your fathers before you and that 36:54.680 --> 37:02.440 requires a respect and an honor of what is ultimately your race that is not a dollar to rear of race 37:02.440 --> 37:07.160 that is an acknowledgement that how God made you whatever you are like when I'm saying these things 37:07.160 --> 37:10.840 I'm not talking to white people I don't know who's listening I've said this before if you're 37:10.840 --> 37:18.120 Chinese if you're African if you can be anything that God has created you have a duty to honor your 37:18.120 --> 37:24.760 fathers going back to Noah and going back to Adam and everyone in between that is obedience to 37:24.760 --> 37:30.280 the fourth commandment I'm not saying my fathers are better than your fathers and therefore you 37:30.280 --> 37:36.760 should honor mine and said no that that would be disobedience to God this is not a white message 37:36.760 --> 37:44.360 this is this is the Christian faith that we honor our fathers in time immemorial and doing that 37:45.080 --> 37:52.360 is anathema in this day to say that will cause you to be accused of racism and whatever supremacy your 37:52.360 --> 37:56.920 your race happens to be turns out it's always white no one else can be a supremacist which is 37:56.920 --> 38:02.600 is a subject for another day but the fact that that pattern keeps playing out should give Christians 38:02.600 --> 38:08.200 pause it should make you very concerned that you're being told by the world hey maybe don't obey 38:08.200 --> 38:13.160 God that sounds like it's going a little too far that message if you're hearing it in your ear 38:13.160 --> 38:17.880 that is not coming from God and so we turn to the commandments and we turn to scripture 38:17.880 --> 38:24.520 to see what God says so that we can continue to obey God and if the world hates us for it frankly 38:24.520 --> 38:30.040 that just tells us that we're obeying God God promised many times you'll be hated for his sake 38:30.040 --> 38:34.600 so if the world loves you that should make you much more nervous than if the world hates you 38:35.560 --> 38:39.720 just address two points quickly because I know they will come up in comments if I do not 38:39.720 --> 38:43.400 address them now so it makes more sense to do it now instead of six times in comments 38:44.440 --> 38:49.480 when I said that they were not one people at the Tower of Babel I'm looking at the Greek here 38:49.480 --> 38:55.400 and the word uses Gennos instead of ethnos ethnos being the word that is typically used for race 38:56.040 --> 39:00.760 or people group that appears many times in scripture which is what we're talking about here 39:00.760 --> 39:07.400 161 times in the New Testament just shy of 700 in the Septuagint and in case anyone thinks I'm playing 39:07.400 --> 39:14.920 games with the Greek it appears 550 some times as goi in the Hebrew but the point that I'm making 39:14.920 --> 39:20.840 is Gennos is used there and that means they're all one generation or one family as opposed to one 39:20.840 --> 39:26.040 ethnos that is a different thing of course at the time they would have all been very much more 39:26.040 --> 39:32.120 closely related because there had been less time for genetic drift and changes in allele frequency 39:32.120 --> 39:37.640 etc. see our previous episode for more on that but the point that is being made is that these 39:37.640 --> 39:43.160 people are all closely related and know each other because if you think about it these are probably 39:43.880 --> 39:51.480 grandparents and grandchildren great-grandparents not too many generations of a span there so even if 39:51.480 --> 39:57.480 you are as far away as possible on this you're still going to be say a great-grandchild of ham 39:57.960 --> 40:03.080 a great-grandchild of shem so these are still fairly closely related people group that was the 40:03.080 --> 40:09.000 distinction I was making there between those two terms and then when it comes to Abram there are 40:09.000 --> 40:14.200 some who have made the argument that Abram was probably a pagan before he was called scripture 40:14.200 --> 40:22.680 does not actually tell us scripture tells us that Torah was at least an idolater he may also have 40:23.320 --> 40:28.680 served to some degree the one true God because that would have been carried down possibly from his 40:28.680 --> 40:35.160 ancestors but yes in Joshua 24 it does say that he served other gods it does not say that notably 40:35.160 --> 40:40.600 of Abram although one way to take that of course would be that it was God's initiative coming to 40:40.600 --> 40:46.040 Abram giving him faith calling him out of a pagan setting because at the least he was in a pagan 40:46.040 --> 40:52.360 setting so just clearing those up now instead of fielding comments later thank you for that 40:53.400 --> 40:57.240 do you want to talk about the fourth commandment before we move on to the New Testament I mean 40:57.240 --> 41:01.160 really I would just be echoing what you said for Lutherans this is going to be very straightforward 41:01.160 --> 41:04.680 you've read this in the small catechism I hope that you have also read this in the large 41:04.680 --> 41:09.560 catechism particularly if you are a father or someone involved in teaching in your church because 41:09.560 --> 41:16.440 it is incumbent on you then to have done that but the fourth commandment is very clear actually if 41:17.240 --> 41:23.160 you read the fourth commandment in scriptural context and understand how God works with humanity 41:23.800 --> 41:33.800 in time and over time just look at the line of Christ God works with Abraham he works with his sons 41:33.800 --> 41:41.560 grandsons great grandsons great great grandsons down through the line of Judah and David and all 41:41.640 --> 41:48.920 the others so yes you are supposed to honor your immediate mother and father but you are also 41:48.920 --> 41:54.600 supposed to honor your grandparents and your great grandparents and it extends back in time 41:54.600 --> 42:02.200 because you are not some sort of or individual you do not stand alone you are not an isolated 42:02.200 --> 42:08.360 island you are part of a great chain that extends from you back through your parents and your 42:08.360 --> 42:16.840 grandparents all the way back to Noah and all the way back to Adam you are ultimately a son of God 42:16.840 --> 42:21.640 if you're a Christian that is restored to you but you are a son of God because Adam is described 42:21.640 --> 42:29.880 in scripture as a son of God and then so everything you are everything you have from God he has given 42:29.880 --> 42:37.640 you through this family line through your race and to ignore how God works is to ignore the real 42:37.640 --> 42:42.280 meaning of the fourth commandment and of course there's also the issue of the fourth commandment 42:43.160 --> 42:48.760 applying to those who are in authority in the kingdom of the left hand but that's not really 42:48.760 --> 42:55.640 directly related to what we're discussing today so the focus more is on the family because that's 42:55.640 --> 43:01.640 one of the three estates the three estates being the state the church and the family we're really 43:01.640 --> 43:07.320 talking about the family today and as the fourth commandment applies to the family it applies to your 43:07.320 --> 43:13.160 entire family not just your immediate family so we mentioned I think at the very beginning of 43:13.160 --> 43:19.800 the first episode the one of those particular verses we would address was from Galatians 328 43:19.800 --> 43:26.200 you've probably all heard you may have said yourself in arguing about race with another Christian 43:26.200 --> 43:33.960 there is neither Jew nor Greek now that's an isolation game over right I mean if God says there's 43:33.960 --> 43:41.720 no more of that then obviously even if race existed previously it doesn't exist after Jesus 43:41.720 --> 43:47.320 that's more or less the argument that's made now it's a completely incoherent argument because 43:47.320 --> 43:55.160 it's based on proof texting it's based on completely eliminating the entire context of that verse 43:55.160 --> 44:01.240 and then making a point that as we've said in past episodes nobody ever made before this past 44:01.240 --> 44:07.320 century no one ever said this stuff they were refuting today no one ever said that there were no 44:07.320 --> 44:14.680 races until the last 150 years and less than that really so I'm going to give you the full context 44:14.680 --> 44:22.360 for Galatians 328 beginning with verse 25 and following but now that faith has come we are no 44:22.360 --> 44:29.880 longer under a guardian for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith for as many of you 44:29.880 --> 44:35.880 as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek there is neither slave 44:35.880 --> 44:42.760 nor free there is no male and female for you are all one in Christ Jesus and if you are 44:42.760 --> 44:49.480 Christs then your Abraham's offspring heirs according to the promise now there's a lot going on 44:49.480 --> 44:55.160 in this verse in that passage as we mentioned previously I want to highlight particularly if you 44:55.160 --> 45:01.800 when you read Galatians 3 in general there's a sorry all of Galatians Paul is making an extensive 45:01.800 --> 45:11.160 argument about the rights of inheritance as a Christian as an adopted son of God you receive 45:11.160 --> 45:17.960 the inheritance rights along with Christ to eternal life and through Christ you receive that 45:17.960 --> 45:24.520 inheritance now it says there you are all sons of God that's talking about women too women 45:25.240 --> 45:33.160 in baptism become sons of God for the specific reason that inheritance is limited to sons 45:33.880 --> 45:40.680 so when the verse says there is no male and female it is not a denial of biological sex it is 45:40.680 --> 45:47.880 saying that it doesn't matter how God created you in your in your baptism by receiving the gift of 45:47.880 --> 45:54.280 faith you become a son of God you receive the inheritance of eternal life that the rights and 45:54.280 --> 46:00.600 privileges of being a son of God as it is Cory just said are extended to those who are adopted 46:00.600 --> 46:08.200 adopted by faith through baptism so when someone tries to use this verse that says there is neither 46:08.200 --> 46:13.640 Jew nor Greek and say that means that race doesn't exist or that means a race was a sin in Jesus 46:13.640 --> 46:19.880 fixed it you must completely deny the entire context of this passage and frankly you must deny 46:19.960 --> 46:26.120 the entire book because the book is talking about in this particular passage are talking about 46:26.120 --> 46:32.680 salvation this is an explicitly soteriological passage it is saying how are we received 46:33.560 --> 46:39.960 in Christ by faith we are received as sons of God so no there is no male and female because 46:39.960 --> 46:45.080 you are all received as sons of God now people are following that that's not a denial of biological 46:45.720 --> 46:51.640 anymore than it's a denial of biological race so for anyone who has ever said there is neither 46:51.640 --> 46:57.800 Jew nor Greek as a refutation of what we're saying about biological race they're committing a 46:57.800 --> 47:04.280 heresy they're denying the soteriological basis of this precious passage that is saying no matter 47:04.280 --> 47:10.040 who you are it doesn't matter who you are and that's what we say that's what we believe is what 47:10.040 --> 47:16.760 we will take before the judgment thrown of God it does not matter who you are if you're a human 47:16.760 --> 47:24.360 being Jesus Christ died on the cross for you for your sins when you receive the gift of faith 47:24.360 --> 47:30.440 you receive that forgiveness which was already poured out on the cross your sins have already 47:30.440 --> 47:37.960 been paid for and you receive that forgiveness when you received as a son of God in baptism through 47:37.960 --> 47:44.040 your faith this is all part and parcel this is all talking about salvation and so it is 47:44.040 --> 47:51.480 utterly grotesque it is demonic for any Christian to take this passage and say well there's no race 47:51.480 --> 47:56.840 because look it says there and just saying Jew and Greek or Jew and Gentile there's none of that 47:56.840 --> 48:02.680 well if you pay attention to the words we talked before to be very careful attention when the 48:02.680 --> 48:09.960 possessive is used this says we are no longer under a guardian for in Christ Jesus you are all 48:09.960 --> 48:15.960 sons of God and then it says there is neither Jew nor Greek now if you actually understand the 48:15.960 --> 48:21.960 English language and you believe scripture and you pay attention in Jesus Christ means something 48:22.680 --> 48:29.720 because not every man is in Jesus Christ there are billions of men who are not in Jesus Christ 48:29.720 --> 48:37.720 they are damned because they do not have faith and they reject God so to say the race doesn't exist 48:39.480 --> 48:43.800 it obliterates this passage it turns this passage that's something about the precious gift 48:43.800 --> 48:49.800 that is received only within the faith and turns it into a nostic passage that nullifies creation 48:49.800 --> 48:56.520 itself this is not a small matter when men will destroy such a profoundly comforting passage 48:56.520 --> 49:03.000 for the sake of scoring political points to say the race is not real how are you going to then say 49:03.000 --> 49:08.840 the sex is real it says there's no male and female so trannies are on the menu right you can be 49:08.840 --> 49:14.920 pansexual you can have no sex you can be just a human being with absolutely no particular qualities 49:14.920 --> 49:20.520 whatsoever because it says right there in Galatians 328 this is not how Christians read the Bible 49:20.520 --> 49:25.240 it is not how Christians use the Bible so I saved this for this point because all the things we've 49:25.240 --> 49:30.440 said in the past episodes that are very upsetting because they fly in the face of what has been 49:30.440 --> 49:36.200 said about race for the last hundred years if your reputation is there is neither june or greek 49:37.400 --> 49:42.600 you need to take a long hard pause and look at how you're receiving scripture and look at who's 49:42.600 --> 49:47.720 talking to you where did you get that idea because you didn't get it from God there is no possible 49:48.120 --> 49:55.800 for any Christian to read Galatians 3 and come away thinking that sex and race and biological 49:55.800 --> 50:02.360 reality cease to exist they cease to matter for the purpose of salvation in fact they never 50:02.360 --> 50:07.960 mattered for the purpose of salvation God makes it explicit for our comfort do not rob scripture 50:07.960 --> 50:14.120 of its comfort to score political points really if you're going to misinterpret Galatians 328 you 50:14.120 --> 50:21.080 have two choices you can either make it completely incoherent by saying that june greek aren't real 50:21.080 --> 50:25.960 categories and therefore scripture is just saying something that has no semantic context whatsoever 50:27.000 --> 50:33.080 or you can make it into a nostic scripture and become something other than Christian and I 50:33.080 --> 50:40.680 definitely seen people do both of those but on a tangentially related issue lately I've been 50:40.680 --> 50:46.760 reading more and I have two sets of scripture that don't have any of the little modern bits and 50:46.760 --> 50:53.000 pieces here and there which is to say chapter and headings and verses and all that and I think 50:53.000 --> 51:00.200 this may be one of the best examples of arguments against the use of chapter numbers and verses 51:01.560 --> 51:09.000 because they literally split this section of the letter to the Galatians in half for well not 51:09.080 --> 51:15.480 quite half but close for no reason no good reason anyway because if you continue on into chapter 4 51:16.280 --> 51:23.720 the next section is should be directly attached to this bit in Galatians 3 because it gives the 51:23.720 --> 51:30.040 explanation I mean that an heir as long as he is a child is no different from a slave though he 51:30.040 --> 51:35.800 is the owner of everything but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father in 51:35.800 --> 51:41.480 the same way we also when we were children were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world 51:41.480 --> 51:47.880 but when the fullness of time had come God sent forth his son born of woman born under the law 51:47.880 --> 51:53.640 to redeem those who were under the law so that we might receive adoption as sons and because you 51:53.640 --> 51:59.880 are sons God has sent the spirit of his son into our hearts crying oba father so you are no longer 51:59.880 --> 52:07.480 a slave but a son and if a son then an heir through God so we see exactly what is being said 52:07.480 --> 52:13.240 earlier in the passage when you continue on to the part that for some reason has been segmented 52:13.240 --> 52:20.760 off as the beginning of the next chapter and of course we could go over Galatians 328 for a six 52:20.760 --> 52:29.640 hour episode just by itself but the core takeaway is that these are real categories and that's why 52:29.640 --> 52:36.280 the verse has meaning if these categories Jew and Greek which is to say race slave and free which 52:36.280 --> 52:42.600 is to say hierarchy essentially male and female which is to say biological sex if these categories 52:42.600 --> 52:50.280 are not real the verse doesn't have any meaning it has meaning because they're real and so the 52:50.280 --> 52:58.040 meaning is these very real things these very real distinctions between and among people have no 52:58.120 --> 53:04.920 superior logical impact now of course there's an ancillary impact because obviously if you are 53:04.920 --> 53:10.360 descended from Christians and a Christian nation you are more likely to be Christian because you're 53:10.360 --> 53:16.200 more likely to have had the means of grace in your life you're more likely to have been baptized 53:16.200 --> 53:25.400 you're more likely to have heard the word etc but in an absolute sense whether you are Jewish or 53:25.400 --> 53:33.480 Greek or Roman or German or French or Chinese does not matter to whether or not the gospel is for 53:33.480 --> 53:40.600 you so tireologically your race is irrelevant in a practical sense again it may be relevant because 53:40.600 --> 53:45.560 again living in a Christian nation you are more likely to be Christian and that is one of the 53:45.560 --> 53:53.320 reason these things matter and why we are discussing them the same as with race so with hierarchy 53:53.400 --> 53:59.880 regardless of where you fall on the social hierarchy which is a very real thing there are 53:59.880 --> 54:07.400 slave and free even today slavery is incidentally still legal in the United States go ahead and 54:07.400 --> 54:14.920 read the amendment if you don't believe me but the hierarchy is real but it does not have so 54:14.920 --> 54:21.160 theological impact you can be saved regardless of whether you are the wealthiest man in a nation 54:21.160 --> 54:28.440 or the poorest man in a nation and the same holds for biological sex whether or not 54:29.080 --> 54:35.640 you are saved does not depend on whether you are male or female and these are also 54:36.840 --> 54:42.840 polemical because these are directly refuting various heresies that were around at the time 54:43.640 --> 54:48.040 because you have the Judaizers who say you have to become a Jew before you can become a Christian 54:48.920 --> 54:54.360 well neither Jew nor Greek is written in part against them you have those who would contend that 54:54.360 --> 55:02.120 well it's only the free born who are of the quality necessary to have access to salvation to be worthy 55:02.120 --> 55:06.120 of this gift from God and know that's neither slave nor free it's condemning that heresy 55:07.000 --> 55:12.200 and then you have those who would say that women could not be saved because woman is the weaker 55:12.200 --> 55:17.400 vessel that part is true but that because she's the weaker vessel she cannot receive this gift of 55:17.400 --> 55:23.400 God and says no there is no male and female it is a condemnation of that heresy so you have to 55:23.400 --> 55:28.360 know what you're reading in scripture and what is being said and if you take the modernist approach 55:29.320 --> 55:35.880 if you deny these categories you rob the scripture of any coherent meaning you destroy the 55:35.880 --> 55:42.120 polemical nature against heresies and you are going to destroy if not your own faith then the 55:42.120 --> 55:47.000 faith of your children or your grandchildren because they will recognize at some point well I 55:47.000 --> 55:54.680 was told there's no male and female so how can I possibly say that homosexuality is wrong 55:54.680 --> 56:00.840 because that depends on a difference biologically between men and women well so it can't be wrong 56:00.840 --> 56:06.440 because of what I was told well being transgender can't be wrong because if there's no male and female 56:06.600 --> 56:12.680 then it doesn't matter which one you claim to be these are in coherent they mean nothing they 56:12.680 --> 56:19.320 mean whatever I want them to mean that is the reality you will see if you start by denying these 56:19.320 --> 56:24.920 it doesn't matter what the reason is it never matters what the reason is if you are supporting a lie 56:24.920 --> 56:30.440 is it worse to support a lie willfully for a malicious reason of course but Satan will use your 56:30.440 --> 56:37.000 support of the lie even if you believe it was undertaken in good faith even if in so far as it 56:37.000 --> 56:42.840 is possible to defend a lie in good faith you were doing so Satan just needs that little toe hold 56:43.640 --> 56:49.400 and that's what you give him when you deny any of the categories in Galatians 328 56:50.120 --> 56:55.240 and this is why we're constantly emphasizing the importance of not embracing any lies we're talking 56:55.320 --> 57:01.960 about six words there there is neither Jew nor Greek that's six words if you abuse those you can 57:01.960 --> 57:08.440 destroy the Christian faith by adopting one lie after another that must necessarily follow from 57:08.440 --> 57:12.440 the lie you already hold and it's quite just pointed out the same as with there's neither there's 57:12.440 --> 57:19.320 no male and female you will destroy the Christian faith in short order if you use that verse if you 57:19.320 --> 57:24.520 cherry pick that if you invert it to mean literally the opposite what it's saying by saying that it's 57:24.520 --> 57:30.040 not really a true category that it's something that God has erased which would imply that it's 57:30.040 --> 57:35.080 the result of sin and this is another thing that I referred to I think in the I think it was the 57:35.080 --> 57:44.120 episode on frame pointed out that BLM on their website they actually went through Galatians 328 57:44.120 --> 57:49.960 and inverted it piece by piece as their bullet points for what they were doing you know BLM is 57:49.960 --> 57:55.320 obviously going to be anti-slavery so they've gotten either slave nor free down everyone's free 57:55.320 --> 58:01.480 they're freer than ever freedom is just flowing down the gutters today when BLM is on the march 58:01.480 --> 58:07.880 there's neither junior Greek will it's all about anti-racism being anti-racist is sacramental 58:07.880 --> 58:14.040 and if you have to burn and destroy cities as a performance of that sacrament your blessings flow 58:14.120 --> 58:20.200 from it and there's no male and female we pointed out that they were advocating homosexuality the 58:20.200 --> 58:28.120 destruction of the nuclear family and treating human beings as sexually fungible in a way that 58:28.120 --> 58:33.720 if you look at the purpose of BLM as stated doesn't make any sense why are they talking about 58:33.720 --> 58:39.240 the family why are they talking about kids why are they talking about sexuality well Satan knows 58:39.240 --> 58:45.480 what he's doing Satan knows that Galatians 328 is the distillation of many elements of the Christian 58:45.480 --> 58:51.480 faith there's an intersection here of everything that's happening today and so we save this verse to 58:51.480 --> 58:58.200 deal with in this episode because Satan cares about it so again if you ever hear someone there's 58:58.200 --> 59:03.880 neither junior Greek that means that there's no race that once you've processed this and you go 59:03.880 --> 59:09.320 back and you read Galatians and do some thinking on your own we're talking about this before the 59:09.320 --> 59:14.920 before we began recording we don't want you to listen to what we're saying and instantly agree 59:14.920 --> 59:19.240 with all of it because if you'll instantly agree with us when we say something you've never heard 59:19.240 --> 59:24.360 before that's the opposite of what you've been told then when the next guy comes along and says 59:24.360 --> 59:29.400 something else it seems novel and exciting you're just gonna believe that too I would much prefer 59:29.480 --> 59:35.640 that you hear us say these things and you struggle with them the more you struggle the more you're 59:35.640 --> 59:41.160 gonna turn to God's word to say is that right are these guys insane are they lying to me what's the 59:41.160 --> 59:47.240 trick here I want you to turn to God in these questions because if somebody can come along 59:47.240 --> 59:52.040 and horn swagger you with a bunch of fancy words we we try to use fancy words but we try to use 59:52.040 --> 59:57.640 rhetorical tricks and we particularly point out when others do that but the world is full of that 59:57.640 --> 01:00:04.200 people will try to just weave a web around you and bury you to the point you don't you don't know 01:00:04.200 --> 01:00:08.680 how to navigate your way out of it and say just say oh either I don't care I guess I'll agree with 01:00:08.680 --> 01:00:14.040 that that seems fine if it just clicks if you hear it and for the first time what we're saying 01:00:14.040 --> 01:00:20.200 absolutely makes sense we're not saying doubt it like if if if we're unlocking something that has 01:00:20.200 --> 01:00:26.280 been bothering you for years that's just us giving you the key to to finally piece that together 01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:32.200 but if you struggle with these things continue to struggle don't let that be a bad sign I don't 01:00:32.200 --> 01:00:36.840 want you to believe right away just because we said something that's not good for your soul you 01:00:36.840 --> 01:00:41.320 should hear something and if it's you're hearing it for the first time and it's contrary to what you 01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:46.680 been taught as we said repeatedly that should make you nervous that should get your hackles up you 01:00:46.680 --> 01:00:51.160 should be on the defensive when a man tells you something contrary to what you've been taught 01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:57.800 however if the argument is coming from scripture or at least is presented from scripture 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:05.720 go back to scripture go read Galatians 3 go read Galatians forget the chapters and verses I've 01:01:05.720 --> 01:01:10.760 said before if you don't have a Bible it says missing all that garbage you can go to esv.org 01:01:11.240 --> 01:01:16.680 click on the gear you can turn it all off you have no footnotes no headers no verse numbers none of 01:01:16.680 --> 01:01:21.960 that crap you'll just have Galatians and you'll know when you're done because it'll say Ephesians 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:25.800 because they show the book distinction so you know which book you're in that is how you should 01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:32.360 read scripture at least some of the time go read Galatians as a whole and see if you can possibly 01:01:32.360 --> 01:01:38.200 come away with that it's thinking that Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit was saying race isn't real 01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:44.840 it's not going to happen if you have the Holy Spirit that will not be your conclusion and if 01:01:44.840 --> 01:01:50.920 there are men who are saying those things to you they're in profound error in their jeopardizing 01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:55.560 the souls of everyone who listens to them we're saying these things because they're not being 01:01:55.560 --> 01:02:02.200 seldom said elsewhere and they're pivotal it's absolutely pivotal the Galatians 328 contains 01:02:02.200 --> 01:02:08.040 so much truth and so few verses and every word of it is being destroyed in the world not 01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:12.840 theologically now it's being destroyed in our churches by men twisting these words to mean the 01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:20.120 opposite but it's being destroyed in the world at large on a secular basis on the basis that 01:02:20.120 --> 01:02:27.960 well race can't be real because look at the division it's causing socially well reread Genesis where 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:34.440 God talks about the tower of Babel and what he thought about the unity of man when you hear unity 01:02:34.600 --> 01:02:43.560 of man as as a watchword for the ultimate morality does that come from God what unifies us 01:02:44.600 --> 01:02:50.440 man is to be united in one thing and one thing only that is the worship of the one true God 01:02:51.560 --> 01:02:56.840 worship of the one true God is only possible by faith so when Galatians is talking about us being 01:02:56.840 --> 01:03:04.120 one by virtue of being adopted as sons of God that is not an inversion of Babel that is the 01:03:04.120 --> 01:03:10.760 perfection of our salvation it does not erase the physical it does not erase your race it does not 01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:17.320 erase your hierarchical status in society and it doesn't erase your sex all of those things are 01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:23.000 how God created you and all of those things we have no reason to believe they won't be preserved in 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:28.680 heaven now the slave nor three free thing is the one that's up in the air we don't know what 01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:35.320 freedom will be like we can't imagine freedom all we can imagine is a perverse freedom we can't 01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:42.200 imagine the true freedom where the only things that we can possibly do are godly that's heaven 01:03:42.200 --> 01:03:46.920 that's the new earth it's when anything you can conceive of wanting is going to be in a 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:53.560 cord with God's will that is a profound comfort and it's unspeakably wonderful we don't know how to 01:03:53.560 --> 01:04:01.720 comprehend that the flip side of that as we speak today is slave all slave means is property of 01:04:01.720 --> 01:04:08.600 another man it means that a human is the property of another human I don't know how that's going 01:04:08.600 --> 01:04:13.080 to play out in a new earth will there still be property I think yes absolutely I don't think you 01:04:13.080 --> 01:04:17.960 can look at the ten commandments as you get to the six seven eight nine and ten in particular 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:24.360 and think the property rights are contrary to God's will did he really emphasize them so 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:29.720 profoundly to his people into the world you know written on our hearts every man knows not to 01:04:29.720 --> 01:04:35.560 steal he has to throw that away he has to know he has to cease to care that he's doing something evil 01:04:35.560 --> 01:04:41.560 before he'll steal so property is written on our hearts whether we will continue to be property 01:04:41.560 --> 01:04:46.040 whether we will continue to have hierarchy it's not revealed it's not something you have to worry 01:04:46.040 --> 01:04:52.680 about and so I wouldn't go so far as to make a theological claim on the basis of this because those 01:04:52.680 --> 01:04:59.320 other categories are real but I will tell you this if your view of a man owning another man as 01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:06.520 property is so hell bent against it you're going to have a real hard time reconciling that with the 01:05:06.520 --> 01:05:11.240 rest of scripture because there are many places where slavery where the ownership of a man 01:05:11.240 --> 01:05:16.680 as property is given and it is not condemned per se what we're going to do an entire episode just 01:05:16.680 --> 01:05:21.880 on slavery but part of the reason we're going to do that is because these are all part of the 01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:27.960 whole why are we talking about race Galatians 328 why do we talk about the difference between men 01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:34.440 and women Galatians 328 while we talk about slavery same reason all of these things that are under 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:41.080 attack today and isn't it interesting sex slavery and you know hierarchy of any sort and the 01:05:41.080 --> 01:05:47.800 races why are those the hot button issues of this day think about that is as you as you go away from 01:05:47.800 --> 01:05:57.400 this episode why is it that Galatians 328 defines the news cycle seriously why does Galatians 328 01:05:57.400 --> 01:06:03.080 define the news cycle why does it define higher education how did that happen because they weren't 01:06:03.080 --> 01:06:07.400 reading book the bible and saying oh we're going to do the opposite they're getting their marching 01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:13.640 orders from hell and God and Satan is really concerned about people correctly understanding this 01:06:13.640 --> 01:06:21.640 because again this is so theological this is God using the created order and then sanctifying 01:06:21.640 --> 01:06:28.680 it through the blood of his son we can't undo any of that we can't undo we can't ignore the salvation 01:06:28.680 --> 01:06:33.560 and we can't ignore the creation you can't just pick one either and that's what we talk about 01:06:33.560 --> 01:06:38.600 narcissism you can't say oh this physical stuff whatever that's not important it's all about 01:06:38.600 --> 01:06:45.320 Jesus it's all about the spirit it's all about salvation that's not true I we're going to talk 01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:50.440 in a minute about duty as it relates to the fourth commandment but if you think that you have no 01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:57.160 duties other than to worship God what does that do to the Christian life say for example you on a 01:06:57.160 --> 01:07:03.240 dog what we'll leave aside you know your your wife your children say you own a dog if you own a 01:07:03.240 --> 01:07:09.640 dog that's your property the dog is a living creature created by God you own it it is your duty 01:07:09.640 --> 01:07:15.560 to care for it to feed it to shelter it to preserve its health and its safety what if you decide 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:20.440 it's all about Jesus I'm not going to feed my dog anymore that's not a gospel issue 01:07:20.600 --> 01:07:28.760 there are people who actually will try to approach these subjects by with that reasoning by saying 01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:33.560 well this isn't the gospel this isn't a gospel issue this race stuff this creation stuff this 01:07:33.560 --> 01:07:39.320 isn't about Jesus or the cross well neither is feeding your dog does that mean you have the moral 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:45.400 right to starve your dog to death no if I come to you and say you're starving your got your dog 01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:50.680 to death this is your property you care for you love it you cannot starve it to death if your 01:07:50.680 --> 01:07:56.680 response is that's not a gospel issue why are you talking about Jesus you have you've abandoned 01:07:56.680 --> 01:08:02.360 the faith even while you think you're pointing to the cross and so when we talk about not letting 01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:08.520 these subjects be being reduced to only one thing that's why if you just want to say well it's 01:08:08.520 --> 01:08:14.440 all about Jesus and you won't talk about created order you're not even talking about Jesus anymore 01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:21.080 because Jesus is the fountainhead of created order Jesus is God all of this flows from him 01:08:21.080 --> 01:08:26.840 and all of it is sanctified through him we don't get to throw away the things that God sanctified 01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:32.760 with his blood and created and redeemed for his own good purposes we don't get to ignore that 01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:37.160 to say that we're pointing to the cross because that's the only thing that matters all of it matters 01:08:37.160 --> 01:08:42.760 all of it matters because of the cross all of it matters because of God he is our creator first 01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:49.400 and then our redeemer the redemption was only necessary because we were created and we fell 01:08:49.400 --> 01:08:54.200 had we not fallen redemption would not have been necessary and God would still have been our 01:08:54.200 --> 01:09:01.480 creator and that's when when Cory was referring to Job especially Job 38 and following God points 01:09:01.480 --> 01:09:07.240 to himself as creator when he speaks to Job he doesn't talk about well I'm going to save you 01:09:07.240 --> 01:09:12.040 later I'm going to pay for your sins so don't worry about that why why are you challenging me 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:20.040 when Job challenges God God points to creation to test I who to his glory we as Christians are 01:09:20.040 --> 01:09:26.600 obligated to look to creation and not denounce it and not say it doesn't matter it doesn't save 01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:31.720 but it's from the same creator from whom our redemption comes and if you deny your creator you 01:09:31.720 --> 01:09:36.440 have denied your redeemer there's no way to get around that and that's why we these seemingly 01:09:36.440 --> 01:09:42.120 peripheral issues are so important Satan knows they matter and that's why he's going after him 01:09:42.120 --> 01:09:48.200 today and so when you read this section and really you should read the entire book when you read it 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:55.720 read it in context and then compare the parallel passages so also read Colossians specifically in this 01:09:55.720 --> 01:10:01.800 case Colossians three if you decide not to read the entire book here there is not Greek and Jew 01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:08.360 circumcised and uncircumcised barbarian skitian slave free but Christ is all and in all and of 01:10:08.360 --> 01:10:14.120 course you can see the listing here is giving a different emphasis but making a similar point 01:10:14.680 --> 01:10:18.840 these are a listing of attributes that are real that are important that means something that 01:10:18.840 --> 01:10:25.960 correspond to reality but in Christ they aren't as important because they don't have the 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:32.520 satirial logical meaning or impact they are still of absolute importance when it comes to how 01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:37.640 you conduct yourself in this life because they are part of how you were made by your creator 01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:47.000 but another thing that is worth pondering is if you look to the beginning of some of the 01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:52.440 current let's call them political problems that we have in the world if you trace them back 01:10:52.760 --> 01:10:59.320 many of them you will have to trace not necessarily as the foundation but back through the French 01:10:59.320 --> 01:11:11.400 revolution and what was the slogan of the French revolution liberty egalité fraternité liberty equality 01:11:11.400 --> 01:11:18.520 fraternity it is a literal rejection of these three categories from Galatians 01:11:19.240 --> 01:11:27.000 there is neither Jew nor Greek while we reject that with fraternité there is neither slave nor 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:34.280 free well we reject that with liberté there is no male and female while we reject that with 01:11:34.280 --> 01:11:43.720 egalité you should think long and hard and be very careful which side you are going to choose 01:11:43.720 --> 01:11:50.200 if you are going to choose the side of violent revolutionaries who quite nearly succeeded in 01:11:50.200 --> 01:11:56.040 burning Europe to the ground thankfully this one happened to be stamped out more or less but 01:11:56.040 --> 01:12:03.160 they kept trying if you want to join them reject what Galatians 328 tells you 01:12:05.240 --> 01:12:11.960 if instead you want to believe what God tells you and stay a Christian and have your children be 01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:18.840 Christians and your grandchildren be Christian then believe what God has written here believe the 01:12:18.840 --> 01:12:24.680 reality of the categories he has chosen he chose them because they are real things that correspond 01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:32.440 to the way he made the world and so the option should be very clear you can choose the spirit of 01:12:32.440 --> 01:12:41.080 the age which I just gave you in French and English or you can choose to follow the actual spirit 01:12:41.080 --> 01:12:47.720 to follow God to follow Christ and that is the starkness of it that is the reality of the situation 01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:55.560 that is the gravity of the choice it's God or Satan those are the two sides and you must 01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:59.880 choose wisely I think that there are probably a lot of people who've listened to this and 01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:07.000 may still think most so what what's the application well we're going to end with 1 Timothy 5 01:13:07.160 --> 01:13:11.400 it's one that we've referred to before and in the interest of not cherry picking since we just 01:13:11.400 --> 01:13:15.480 condemned I'm going to read the whole paragraph just to give you the context and then we're going to 01:13:15.480 --> 01:13:23.240 focus on the end of it honor widows who are truly widows but if a widow has children or grandchildren 01:13:23.240 --> 01:13:28.280 let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their 01:13:28.280 --> 01:13:34.680 parents for this pleasing in the sight of God she who is truly a widow left all alone has set her 01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:40.840 hope on God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day but she who is self-indulgent 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:46.120 is dead even while she lives command these things as well so that they may be without reproach 01:13:47.080 --> 01:13:53.720 but if anyone does not provide for his relatives and especially for the members of his household 01:13:53.720 --> 01:14:00.360 he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever those are passages I point to frequently 01:14:00.360 --> 01:14:07.480 because it flies so vehemently at odds with the notions that oh well we're all brothers we're all 01:14:07.480 --> 01:14:14.200 neighbors we're all just this collapsed humanity and we all have equal rights and obligations to 01:14:14.200 --> 01:14:20.200 each other I provided the whole context to show that most of it was referring to widows I didn't 01:14:20.200 --> 01:14:25.000 want to make it seem like this was only talking just talking in general I think it's worth noting 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:30.040 that the the second sense there but if a widow has children or grandchildren let them first learn 01:14:30.040 --> 01:14:35.240 to show godliness so that again points back to what we are saying about the fourth commandment 01:14:35.240 --> 01:14:40.840 honor your father and mother includes your grandmother because of grandchildren have this obligation 01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:45.960 it's under the fourth commandment there's no difference it's basically living relatives now in the 01:14:45.960 --> 01:14:52.440 case of wood of hood they're specifically focusing on lineal descent in when that is not available 01:14:52.440 --> 01:14:57.240 didn't do to death or would other other reason then the members of the church are to care for those 01:14:57.240 --> 01:15:04.200 widows but the general application of that last two cents or that last sentence is is universal 01:15:05.080 --> 01:15:11.880 if anyone does not provide for his relatives and especially for members of his household he has 01:15:11.880 --> 01:15:18.200 denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever now that's what we're talking about frequently 01:15:19.320 --> 01:15:27.080 when you do these things the deny gods command you are denying the faith you can't say in response 01:15:27.080 --> 01:15:32.840 to Galatians 328 if even if you hear us talking about it neither June or Greek being so 01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:39.000 theological if you say I don't care it's all about Jesus you're denying the faith because wait 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:43.240 what are you doing you're denying the rest of that sense you're denying that your relatives exist 01:15:43.240 --> 01:15:48.680 you're denying that your relatives are related to you you're saying I'm related to everyone I'm 01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:54.600 everyone's brother if you're everyone's brother you're no one's brother that is incoherent 01:15:54.600 --> 01:16:00.600 and isn't it often interesting how often we're using that word incoherent the the readings 01:16:00.600 --> 01:16:08.920 of these passages as interpreted through the lens of of this age in the service of non-Christian goals 01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:16.520 ultimately render the text itself incoherent if God says provide for your relatives and you say 01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:21.880 relatives what's that my my brothers are 10,000 miles away my brothers are all over the planet 01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:26.360 I don't have relatives they're all my relatives there are people who actually they won't say it 01:16:26.360 --> 01:16:32.520 quite in those terms but I saw someone recently used the the text where Jesus said well who are my 01:16:32.520 --> 01:16:37.000 brothers and who is my mother and who are my brothers these are who are before you are my mother 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:44.760 and brothers they try to use that as a denial of the flesh they try to set those passages in 01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:49.400 opposition to passages like this where God says you're damned if you don't cover if you don't care 01:16:49.400 --> 01:16:55.240 for your relatives if you don't care for your flesh in the case that we made in the first episode 01:16:55.240 --> 01:17:02.840 in particular of this mini series is that your relatives writ large is your race the further you go 01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:09.720 out the more the less immediately related they are but that's just the same as an extended family 01:17:09.720 --> 01:17:15.160 you wouldn't go to a family reunion where 150 people show up and say well you know my first 01:17:15.160 --> 01:17:19.560 cousins yeah you guys you guys are fine the second cousins those guys I don't even know who they 01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:24.680 are they're nothing to me they're more distantly related but the fact that you all showed up in 01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:29.640 the same place means that you're all family you have a common lineage you have a common ancestry 01:17:30.280 --> 01:17:35.560 you have something in common that God gave you it's not a social structure it's not some 01:17:35.560 --> 01:17:42.600 convention the man came up with these are all gods commands and gods orders the genealogies God 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:49.720 cares about those that's not man having a fetish for trying to borrow someone else's story 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:55.400 that's saying yes when God says where you came from matters who your father is matters 01:17:55.400 --> 01:18:00.600 I as a Christian must believe that and that continues beyond even the fathers whose names I might 01:18:00.600 --> 01:18:06.520 remember when you look at a passage it says if you don't provide for your relatives you're damned 01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:11.080 and that's literally what it says he has denied the faith that is apostasy 01:18:12.360 --> 01:18:18.520 Cory and I will increasingly are using the word apostasy to describe the denial of these things 01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:23.640 particularly in our own church for this very reason we're not name calling we're not throwing 01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:30.440 fire bombs we're illustrating what this passage in 1 Timothy 5 makes abundantly clear you say that 01:18:30.440 --> 01:18:35.400 you're pointing to Christ and then you have faith and then you let your grandmother go to a home where 01:18:35.400 --> 01:18:42.520 she's mistreated you don't have faith you've denied the faith and are worse than an unbeliever 01:18:43.160 --> 01:18:48.120 if an unbeliever is going to go to hell what is worse than an unbeliever going to receive 01:18:48.120 --> 01:18:54.040 because that's what you're going to receive if you don't care for your relatives and if you despise 01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:59.400 those who are related to you even if the distant relation is at the point that we would call it a 01:18:59.400 --> 01:19:05.560 race versus a family or an ethnicity or some intermediate step if you think that you have 01:19:05.560 --> 01:19:11.800 licensed to despise the manner in which God created you and to despise your extended relatives 01:19:12.440 --> 01:19:17.480 do you think that you will be saved on the last day do you think that you have an excuse in the 01:19:17.480 --> 01:19:22.840 light of 1 Timothy 5 to say yeah I hate those relatives I'm shame to them they're disgusting 01:19:22.840 --> 01:19:27.080 I want nothing to do with them I'm not going to help them yeah they're my neighbor yeah they're 01:19:27.080 --> 01:19:33.240 my brother but I despise them I would rather have a brother 10,000 miles away I like him better 01:19:33.240 --> 01:19:38.600 than these people what is God going to say to that this passage makes clear what he's going to say 01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:42.760 the only question that we as Christians have is are we going to believe it and are we going to obey 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:48.680 God not to save ourselves like that's the problem the Protestants have all the time you say obey 01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:52.520 God and I well that's work salvation you're trying to save yourself you think you can do something 01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:58.040 to earn your salvation no our salvation was earned by Christ's blood on the cross there's nothing 01:19:58.040 --> 01:20:04.040 I can do they could possibly save me in God's eyes there are however things I can do to continue to 01:20:04.040 --> 01:20:10.200 nail Christ to the cross every day with new sins that I come up with either through deliberate 01:20:10.200 --> 01:20:15.800 malice or through apathy or through ignorance I continue to nail Christ to the cross with the 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:21.880 sins that I commit in my own life and so do you that is not a cause for a despair is a cause to 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:29.240 continue to turn to the cross as a source of our salvation and then when we step back from the 01:20:29.240 --> 01:20:36.440 cross and go on with our lives by leaving by keeping the cross in view in our lives it doesn't 01:20:36.440 --> 01:20:43.880 mean talking all about Jesus 24 seven it means obeying God 24 seven as we've said before God gives 01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:50.920 you 168 hours in the week and he calls you to church once a week he calls you to study faithfully 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:56.600 but not continuously he hasn't say every waking moment and even while you sleep I want you only 01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:01.720 ever thinking about me and not doing anything else that is what the aesthetics and the monks do 01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:07.800 and it's a despising of what God desires God desires that are good works and are care for our 01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:12.920 neighbor and for our brother especially those are the categories that are most important to God 01:21:12.920 --> 01:21:19.800 your brother first and then your neighbor and then everyone else that is the three part hierarchy 01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:25.560 in which God has divided humanity and your brother includes those who are distantly related to you 01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:30.680 Corey is my brother because we come from the same extended family he's not my neighbor because we 01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:38.280 don't live in the same place but my obligations are to him not only as a brother in Christ but as a 01:21:38.280 --> 01:21:44.840 brother according to the flesh it is a less immediate concern than I have or obligation than I have 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:51.160 for my own immediate family and that is fine there is triage that God has baked into the system 01:21:51.160 --> 01:21:57.560 when you obey him but to say nope yeah those those people in Ohio that are you know they're 01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:02.520 living in a hazmat you know super fun site now they don't have any clean water yeah 01:22:04.200 --> 01:22:08.920 you know I'd rather worry about what's going on in Turkey I'd rather pray for the Turks 01:22:08.920 --> 01:22:14.200 than I would pray for the people in Ohio I would rather send my money overseas to people who 01:22:14.200 --> 01:22:20.040 do not worship the same God because that sounds that's more worldly that's a better way for me to 01:22:20.040 --> 01:22:25.160 be a Christian to to love my brother and my neighbor according to the flesh and according to 01:22:25.160 --> 01:22:30.360 proximity who's right next door if someone next door is suffering or if your brother who is more 01:22:30.360 --> 01:22:37.480 distant as suffering he is your first duty according to God and some of that is racial because 01:22:37.480 --> 01:22:43.400 that's how God made you that's not an evil thing it's a good thing to deny it is when the evil 01:22:43.400 --> 01:22:49.720 enters the picture I not before and so we're speaking of good works it's a useful comment 01:22:50.360 --> 01:22:59.320 from Luther God does not need my good works but my neighbor does and that's really the heart 01:23:01.160 --> 01:23:06.840 of the matter when it comes to good works and so the monks and others who hide themselves away 01:23:07.480 --> 01:23:12.440 and believe that they are worshiping God that they are doing God's will they simply aren't 01:23:13.400 --> 01:23:20.360 because God does not need your good works your neighbor does so you serve God by serving your neighbor 01:23:20.360 --> 01:23:27.080 and yes that includes your neighbor in Ohio who now needs clean water and many other things 01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:36.280 and your neighbor elsewhere in your own nation you are not serving God when you are virtue signaling 01:23:36.280 --> 01:23:44.200 by sending your money and your goods overseas to people you don't even know to people with whom 01:23:44.200 --> 01:23:50.680 you have no connection and that is especially true when you are doing it to the neglect and harm 01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:58.520 of your actual neighbors and that's the point of the good Samaritan who is my neighbor your neighbor 01:23:58.520 --> 01:24:04.360 is the person God has put next to you your neighbor is that person whose house you can see from where 01:24:04.360 --> 01:24:10.120 you're sitting if you happen to be near a window because neighbor literally means the person near 01:24:10.120 --> 01:24:15.960 actually means the farmer nearby but it means the person nearby that is your neighbor 01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:25.720 and to rely not just on Luther will give you from Mark 7 you leave the commandment of God and hold 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:31.400 to the tradition of men and he said to them you have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God 01:24:31.400 --> 01:24:37.160 in order to establish your tradition for Moses said honor your father and your mother 01:24:37.160 --> 01:24:44.120 and whoever reviles father or mother must surely die but you say if a man tells his father or his 01:24:44.120 --> 01:24:49.720 mother whatever you would have gained from me is Corban that is given to God then you no longer 01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:55.320 permit him to do anything for his father or mother thus making void the word of God by your 01:24:55.320 --> 01:25:03.080 tradition that you have handed down and many such things you do and so if you believe that you 01:25:03.080 --> 01:25:10.680 are serving God by virtue signaling by withdrawing from the world by doing these things for which the 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:17.480 world will praise you and not in fact serving your neighbor not in fact serving your relatives not 01:25:17.480 --> 01:25:22.920 in fact serving your family those whom God has put into your life by proximity and blood 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:30.040 then you are not in fact serving God you are violating these words of Christ from Mark 7 01:25:31.160 --> 01:25:37.480 and that is the state in which we currently find much of the world people think that they are 01:25:37.480 --> 01:25:44.120 doing something good because they sent some hundreds of numbers of cases of water to Africa 01:25:44.120 --> 01:25:49.000 because of course your dollar goes your dollar goes further if you're dealing with Africa or 01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:56.600 somewhere that is poor particularly somewhere that is very poor but you aren't you aren't serving 01:25:56.600 --> 01:26:02.200 God you're signaling to the world look at me aren't I a good person because it would actually be 01:26:02.200 --> 01:26:08.520 hard work if you had to go and help your neighbor next door and you don't want to do that much easier 01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:13.000 to do something for which the world will praise you and scripture is very clear about that as well 01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:19.160 is it really charity if you're on the street corner shouting your prayer to God shouting how good 01:26:19.160 --> 01:26:27.640 you are it isn't scripture is very clear and so if you want to do good works and you should 01:26:27.640 --> 01:26:35.240 because good works follow naturally from true faith from living faith then you do those by serving 01:26:35.240 --> 01:26:41.960 those whom God has given to you by serving your actual neighbors by serving your family by serving 01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:47.720 the members of your own household that is what scripture says that is what Christians must do 01:26:48.360 --> 01:26:55.640 so I'd like to leave everyone today with a renewed request for you to evaluate your own morality 01:26:56.280 --> 01:27:03.000 in terms of scripture you don't have to listen to what we say just look to scripture for where you get 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:10.120 your moral virtues if as you're going through your daily life if as you're deciding where to 01:27:10.120 --> 01:27:16.520 spend your charitable dollars or your energy or your time protesting we're talking or whatever you do 01:27:18.200 --> 01:27:25.720 if in those moments the things that you're doing are in the adulation of the world rather than its 01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:34.120 condemnation in these dark days any honest Christian has to be asking himself if the world isn't 01:27:34.120 --> 01:27:39.240 hating me for what I'm saying and doing right in this minute am I actually serving God 01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:46.760 because many of these questions are portrayed by the world as moral craft questions the BLM 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:53.720 in version of Galatians 328 is portrayed as a moral question the same was true in the French 01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:58.920 revolution they were casting down Mararchy and replacing it with something better they were 01:27:58.920 --> 01:28:07.800 pursuing a moral good in their religion if your religion is informed with a morality that comes 01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:14.520 from a source that is consistent with this world if you can do things where the girl world is 01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:20.600 going to say that's beautiful I love that you're one of us does that fill you with pride to know 01:28:20.600 --> 01:28:26.440 that you're welcomed arm and arm even with those who hate Christ or does it fill you with dread 01:28:26.440 --> 01:28:31.800 that you have a morality that has somehow emerged in the hearts of those who are damned how did 01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:39.400 they get on the same page as you morally and when Cory and I talk about these things we face 01:28:39.400 --> 01:28:45.240 grace personal consequences for saying these things and if you say these things in public you will 01:28:45.240 --> 01:28:52.600 too if we're lying then maybe that's what God wants maybe he wants to destroy those who would 01:28:52.600 --> 01:28:58.360 say things that our contrary to his word that is the case God was does want to see those men 01:28:58.360 --> 01:29:04.360 destroyed and on the last day they will all be cast into fire if we're making an argument from 01:29:04.360 --> 01:29:11.960 scripture and the world hates us what do you do with that do you side with the world reflexively 01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:17.080 because they said the right mean words to us or do you take another look at the arguments that are 01:29:18.040 --> 01:29:24.280 and you look at scripture and say well I believe this with a clean heart I believe the racism 01:29:24.280 --> 01:29:29.560 was a sin that there was one race the human race after this was explained to me I'm not sure what 01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:37.160 to do we'll say again look to your left and look to your right who are your allies morally who are 01:29:37.160 --> 01:29:45.080 those who hold the same morality as you because on one side are the Satanists the Jews the atheists 01:29:45.080 --> 01:29:51.800 the abortionists they're all together in lockstep on all of these questions they know what they 01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:57.560 think about Galatians 328 and they all believe exactly the same thing if you believe the same thing 01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:03.400 as those groups or really that single group because they're speaking with a unified voice if you 01:30:03.400 --> 01:30:12.600 speak with the same voices them do you worship the one true God you need to think long and hard 01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:17.800 about that how did your morality come to be in accord with the world I want to leave you with a 01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:25.000 passage from John 16 that came up recently that's from one of the many places where Jesus prophesies 01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:30.040 about the end of the world he talks about the last days and what's going to come to his church 01:30:31.640 --> 01:30:36.840 it's worth spending time thinking about those things for the very reason that he's getting 01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:40.920 given this passage and I'll just after I've read it we'll I think we'll just end the episode on 01:30:40.920 --> 01:30:48.280 Jesus words think long and hard about what he says you know dwell on our arguments for a little while 01:30:48.280 --> 01:30:53.400 dwell in scripture daily and forever the if our arguments are sound because they're from scripture 01:30:54.520 --> 01:31:00.360 do something with them it isn't going to destroy your life make scripture the anchor in everything 01:31:00.360 --> 01:31:06.920 that you do because what we're saying is that the world is trying to destroy scripture and it's 01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:13.080 destroying a verse by verse without addressing it directly and so Christians have been disarmed and 01:31:13.080 --> 01:31:17.560 so when these arguments are made that there's neither June or Greek we think hey hey that's good 01:31:17.560 --> 01:31:21.800 that's there's no race that Darwin invented that that's that's postmodern that's Marxism you know 01:31:21.800 --> 01:31:27.400 whatever whatever label you want to stick on it when you've allied yourself with people who are 01:31:27.400 --> 01:31:33.960 universally damned where is your salvation then have you turned your back on the true faith if 01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:40.520 you're doing things that belong to a morality that didn't come from God so leave you with John 16 01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:46.680 I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away they will put you out of the 01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:52.680 synagogues and indeed the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to 01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:58.600 God and they will do these things because they have not known the father nor me but I have said 01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:03.960 these things to you that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you 01:32:06.600 --> 01:32:14.600 Amen 01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:30.520 you