Transcript: Episode 0017

“On Human Race: Scripture and Soteriology”

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00:00:30 – 00:00:42:	Welcome to the Stone Choir Podcast. I am Corey J. Moller, and I'm

00:00:42 – 00:00:48:	well. As promised in this episode, we are going to be talking about how Scripture interfaces

00:00:48 – 00:00:55:	with biological race, how Scripture describes how God created the races, and the arguments

00:00:55 – 00:01:02:	that are sometimes used by Christians who are cherry-picking aspects of Scripture outside

00:01:02 – 00:01:07:	of their context to make secular arguments against some of the things that we've said in

00:01:07 – 00:01:12:	the past couple episodes. This is episode three on race. We didn't want to do too much

00:01:12 – 00:01:18:	about it, but as we said last week in particular, this is such an important subject to the world.

00:01:18 – 00:01:22:	The reason that there's so much fighting around it is that there's something theological

00:01:22 – 00:01:26:	going on here, and we are speaking about it because we believe that there's almost

00:01:26 – 00:01:32:	no one else who understands all of these moving parts the way we do, and a lot of people

00:01:32 – 00:01:36:	have gotten some value out of us, so we're going to continue. It's going to have a beginning

00:01:36 – 00:01:41:	and an end. The beginning was the episode where we talked about the biological reality

00:01:41 – 00:01:47:	of race. We laid out the genetics and people received that well. It's obvious. Science

00:01:47 – 00:01:53:	is not in opposition to Scripture. Reality is not in opposition to the creator of that

00:01:53 – 00:01:57:	reality. That should surprise no one who's listening, but that was a case we had to make

00:01:57 – 00:02:05:	first. And then last week, we specifically talked about the effects of race as they relate

00:02:05 – 00:02:10:	to sin and the fact that there are propensities for sin that are greater in some races than

00:02:10 – 00:02:15:	others, which is a really tough pill to swallow, and I'm sure that there are some people who

00:02:15 – 00:02:19:	have heard that and may never listen again if you're still listening. Thank you. As we

00:02:19 – 00:02:23:	said in each of those episodes, we were deliberately not going too much into Scripture for the very

00:02:23 – 00:02:29:	reason that if we had front-loaded Scripture in these multiple episodes, if we had just focused

00:02:29 – 00:02:35:	on what the Bible says and then gone on to science, I know of absolute certainty that as people

00:02:35 – 00:02:39:	listened, they would forget that we ever pointed to Scripture and to say, well, what you're

00:02:39 – 00:02:43:	saying does make any sense? Bible says this and the other thing. We deliberately did this

00:02:43 – 00:02:48:	kind of upside down by saving Scripture for the third episode so that we can contextualize all

00:02:48 – 00:02:54:	the things that we just said for the cat past couple weeks in a manner that is consistent with

00:02:54 – 00:02:59:	Scripture to say, look, the things that we just said do not fly in the face of what God has said.

00:03:00 – 00:03:05:	So this is episode three of five episode four next week is going to specifically be entirely about

00:03:05 – 00:03:12:	IQ and that's based in part on race. It is based in part on human history and the different

00:03:12 – 00:03:19:	people groups and it's not just a scientific thing. It's not just about a measuring contest to see

00:03:19 – 00:03:26:	who's smarter or who's stupider. There's no judgment involved in talking about IQ. The reason

00:03:26 – 00:03:33:	that that question matters is that if someone lacks the mental capacity to understand certain types

00:03:33 – 00:03:39:	of things, that precludes large amounts of theology from their understanding. They're not going

00:03:39 – 00:03:44:	to be able to understand things. So the reason that that's part of this is that talking about IQ

00:03:44 – 00:03:50:	is talking about the gospel. How do you share the gospel? Someone who can't understand hypotheticals.

00:03:50 – 00:03:55:	And then the last episode, episode five of this many series is going to specifically discuss

00:03:55 – 00:04:02:	the invention of racism in the late 1800s and what is followed because most people think the racism

00:04:02 – 00:04:09:	is a sin that God ordained as being against his will from before eternity and the we are doing

00:04:09 – 00:04:15:	what God wants us to do when we attack something that the world calls racism. So the capstone for

00:04:15 – 00:04:19:	all this is going to be to put all of this in context because the things that we've said so far

00:04:19 – 00:04:24:	and the things we're going to continue to say, the Missouri Senate in particular on their web page

00:04:24 – 00:04:30:	where they describe racism and responses to it, they basically refute every single thing that we're

00:04:30 – 00:04:34:	saying. They refute all the things that are factual that you've already agreed with. If you

00:04:34 – 00:04:39:	agreed with the previous episodes and so we're going to in the last episode in this series,

00:04:39 – 00:04:44:	we're going to completely dismantle the lies that the Senate has been telling really only since

00:04:44 – 00:04:50:	about the 70s prior to the 70s those lies weren't being told. But in the 60s something happened

00:04:50 – 00:04:55:	to the whole world and it seems more and more like there was a portal hell was opened and a

00:04:55 – 00:04:59:	whole lot of demons came pouring out and kind of went in all different directions. We saw the

00:04:59 – 00:05:04:	destruction of the Roman Catholic Church even worse than it was before. We saw the destruction

00:05:04 – 00:05:10:	of Protestantism Lutherans were not immune to it and all that began in the US really in the 60s.

00:05:10 – 00:05:16:	So we're going to finish this up by specifically addressing the chargers against us and now against

00:05:16 – 00:05:20:	you if you believe anything we've said that you are a racist and that you are going to hell if you

00:05:20 – 00:05:29:	don't repent for believing the truth about scripture and about creation. So to begin with in this

00:05:29 – 00:05:35:	episode on scripture and race we're going to recap and go back over some of the territory we covered

00:05:35 – 00:05:40:	and I think episode four where we talked about Christian nationalism. That was kind of the kickoff

00:05:40 – 00:05:46:	roughs really discussing the subject of race head on. So there'll be a little bit of repetition

00:05:46 – 00:05:50:	in this from that episode if you happen to listen to it. If you haven't go back and listen to it

00:05:50 – 00:05:55:	after this because there's a lot more to say about all these things in different directions.

00:05:55 – 00:05:59:	There will be some some recapitulation of some of those things but they're well worth hearing

00:05:59 – 00:06:06:	again because if you have a scriptural basis for believing what we have said and with a clean

00:06:06 – 00:06:12:	conscience then you're going to be immunized against charges of let's racist well you can't think

00:06:12 – 00:06:17:	that that's that's a sin. If that's true it's a very bad thing but if it's false you need to be

00:06:17 – 00:06:24:	equips from scripture to be able to respond it faithfully as a Christian. So that's what we're going

00:06:24 – 00:06:29:	to be talking about today. So let's begin back in Genesis once again I think at the table of

00:06:29 – 00:06:37:	nations. So to start off with a basic point about genealogies in scripture there are a lot

00:06:37 – 00:06:43:	of genealogies. It is not just in Genesis it's not just in the Old Testament the New Testament

00:06:43 – 00:06:49:	starts with the genealogy of Christ but genealogies play an important role in scripture they have

00:06:49 – 00:06:53:	to do with God's promises they have to do with of course who descends from whom that is the nature

00:06:53 – 00:07:02:	of a genealogy but part of the core thread of scripture is literally a bloodline from Adam

00:07:03 – 00:07:13:	through Noah through Shem through David down the line to Christ and so we begin that really with

00:07:13 – 00:07:20:	the table of nations which is of course Genesis 10 let me just pull that up here and Genesis 10

00:07:21 – 00:07:27:	gives the nations that are descended from the sons of Noah and of course Noah and his sons

00:07:27 – 00:07:33:	and their wives are the only ones currently living because the flood is just wipe the slate clean

00:07:34 – 00:07:42:	and so this gives the descent of literally everyone alive. Now these nations of course have

00:07:42 – 00:07:48:	further split as time has gone on we have more than just the number of individuals listed here

00:07:48 – 00:07:53:	relative to the number of nations that now exist or tribes depending on the resolution

00:07:54 – 00:08:01:	but this is the basic outline of what happened and you have the three great groups of humanity the

00:08:01 – 00:08:08:	three great races of men descended respectively japhith shem and ham in order of birth.

00:08:09 – 00:08:14:	Unsurprising shem would be second if you look at the one of the themes in the Old Testament

00:08:15 – 00:08:21:	God very often subverts the expectation that the best of things will go to the first born

00:08:22 – 00:08:29:	although japhith is definitely blessed we see that in the the blessing in the curses spoken by Noah

00:08:29 – 00:08:34:	later on but often the line of Christ goes through the second born so in this case it is the

00:08:34 – 00:08:43:	second born it is shem but you have japhith becomes basically Europe and a little bit of northern

00:08:43 – 00:08:49:	Africa because the sons of japhith became sailors and sailed the Mediterranean. You have shem who

00:08:49 – 00:08:54:	largely stayed in the Middle East for a period of time but then spread eastward into Asia and other

00:08:54 – 00:09:01:	places the Amerindians are descended at least in part from shem and then you have ham who moved

00:09:01 – 00:09:07:	southward through Egypt past the Sahara however big it happened to be at the time and down in

00:09:07 – 00:09:18:	Africa and so speaking of that it leads into the Exodus but of course before the Exodus you have

00:09:18 – 00:09:26:	the line of Christ moving to Egypt and then eventually the Israelites being enslaved in Egypt

00:09:27 – 00:09:35:	and Scripture is very clear that Egypt won the name is actually in the table of nations and

00:09:35 – 00:09:42:	two Scripture explicitly calls Egypt the land of ham that would be from one example Psalm 106

00:09:42 – 00:09:49:	they forgot God their savior who had done great things in Egypt wondrous works in the land of ham

00:09:49 – 00:10:00:	and awesome deeds by the red sea and so the Israelites were in Egypt for 430 years we get that from

00:10:00 – 00:10:10:	Exodus 12 of course which says literally 430 years that is Exodus 12 verse 40 the time that the

00:10:10 – 00:10:18:	people of Israel lived in Egypt was 430 years at the end of 430 years on that very day all the hosts

00:10:18 – 00:10:25:	of the Lord went out from the land of Egypt and so the reason it's worth noting in this context

00:10:26 – 00:10:34:	the Exodus and the Sojourn in Egypt is that the Israelites were in Egypt 430 years over four

00:10:34 – 00:10:41:	centuries they are not called Egyptian they did not become Egyptian they lived there for a time

00:10:41 – 00:10:49:	that did not make them Egyptian simply moving somewhere does not make you a member of the race

00:10:49 – 00:10:55:	that inhabits that particular geographic location it makes you a Sojourner which is what the

00:10:55 – 00:11:01:	Israelites were which is how Scripture describes them and so when they left Egypt they were still

00:11:01 – 00:11:08:	Israelites they were not Egyptians even though they had been there 430 years which bear in mind

00:11:10 – 00:11:15:	most of the audience for this podcast and the two of us we live in the United States founded in

00:11:15 – 00:11:25:	1776 of course the colonies are earlier the nation came before the country but 430 years is a long time

00:11:26 – 00:11:33:	and I think it's important to note there that when the Israelites lived in Egypt there was

00:11:33 – 00:11:37:	no confusion the Egyptians didn't think they were Egyptian the Israelites didn't think they were

00:11:37 – 00:11:42:	Egyptian there was no inner breeding of the groups by and large there may have been a little bit

00:11:42 – 00:11:51:	but it was they were they were segregated not only socially but biologically and I think that's

00:11:51 – 00:12:00:	important to to observe because when we discuss the Israelites in Scripture there's a strong

00:12:00 – 00:12:07:	tendency today that I think is largely driven by Zionism by by beliefs they were originated in the

00:12:07 – 00:12:16:	United States primarily in the late 19th century to believe this somehow Israel was something special

00:12:17 – 00:12:24:	apart from all of their nations and apart from its purpose in God's plan of providing

00:12:25 – 00:12:31:	the Messiah's bloodline and also being a vessel to preserve the prophecies of the Messiah

00:12:32 – 00:12:38:	so a lot of times what you'll hear today is when someone denies their race exists at all

00:12:38 – 00:12:43:	and you say well what about the Israelites the knee jerk responses oh well they were special

00:12:43 – 00:12:52:	God shows them for a purpose well yes God used the used Abraham's bloodline through Isaac and Jacob

00:12:52 – 00:13:00:	specifically to provide the bloodline to Jesus but God also worked through other bloodlines and other

00:13:00 – 00:13:06:	places less important work certainly than giving us the Messiah there there's no one who would ever

00:13:06 – 00:13:15:	deny that God coming incarnate among us is chief of all events in human history so I'm not trying

00:13:15 – 00:13:21:	to diminish that in the slightest but the point is the fact that a people group that a race the race

00:13:21 – 00:13:26:	of the Hebrews was used for that purpose doesn't mean that they were the only race and that everyone

00:13:26 – 00:13:31:	else was just human there were all these different races that were serving different purposes you can

00:13:31 – 00:13:40:	see that even in Egypt what did God do with Egypt he created a great empire in that place

00:13:40 – 00:13:45:	that was on the Nile where they were going to be able to grow a great amount of grain he knew

00:13:45 – 00:13:51:	that he was going to be sending a famine he knew that he was going to be sending the Israelites into

00:13:51 – 00:13:57:	Egypt to become slaves to them for a period of centuries and then he was going to send them out

00:13:57 – 00:14:04:	from that place none of that story would have worked if God had not also used the race of the

00:14:04 – 00:14:11:	Egyptians to serve their purpose in history and so I don't think that it's a stretch at all

00:14:11 – 00:14:16:	to say that each of the races have had their purpose in God's plan some certainly greater some

00:14:16 – 00:14:21:	lesser some completely unknown we don't have to know what God's doing to believe that God is

00:14:21 – 00:14:28:	actually doing something and I think chief among our concerns in describing their race as a real

00:14:28 – 00:14:34:	thing is that we want to give God the glory for what he does in the world it's not just about well

00:14:34 – 00:14:38:	here's this one specific thing that I know he said he did so he gets credit for that and all the

00:14:38 – 00:14:43:	rest is random we talked about randomness last week and the tendency that we have to think oh it's

00:14:43 – 00:14:47:	who knows what happened you know you you have a baby and there's millions of sperm and

00:14:48 – 00:14:53:	it's it's all just random no God is in control of everything now that's not making an

00:14:53 – 00:14:59:	utterly deterministic claim about the universe it's saying that things happen when God desires that

00:14:59 – 00:15:04:	they happen things don't happen when God does not desire them and if there's something evil or

00:15:04 – 00:15:12:	something that seems to be bad they God permits he will also use that use that evil for his good

00:15:13 – 00:15:19:	and so it's not only the good that the Hebrew people were a vessel for despite their own

00:15:20 – 00:15:24:	incredible wickedness throughout scripture it's astonishing how evil those people were

00:15:25 – 00:15:31:	in in ways that in in some ways are far worse than some of the things we see even today when

00:15:31 – 00:15:37:	I think I mentioned before when you look at when Moses went up to get the 10 commandments from God

00:15:37 – 00:15:42:	and they saw the pillar of fire and smoke and God was up there with Moses with with a man who

00:15:42 – 00:15:50:	led them out of captivity it took less than 40 days for them to abandon God while he was right in

00:15:50 – 00:15:56:	front of him they got mad that Moses was gone for a few weeks and told Aaron make us a new God

00:15:56 – 00:16:01:	make make us a golden calf who will be the one who led us out of Egypt like that's in it's

00:16:01 – 00:16:06:	completely insane it's incomprehensible to us even as a pagan to think well if you saw this

00:16:06 – 00:16:13:	miracle and your God came down as a pillar of fire on a mountain and the guy that God sent to do

00:16:13 – 00:16:18:	that is up there talking to him wouldn't you have more patience than 40 days and yet that that

00:16:18 – 00:16:24:	was all they could master by when Moses came down they had descended into an orgy and they were

00:16:24 – 00:16:28:	worshipping pagan gods and who knows what else they were doing it was it was unspeakable evil

00:16:29 – 00:16:34:	in in in in the same amount of time that lent will take which is this is a period that will be

00:16:34 – 00:16:41:	beginning on the day that this episode is released so they were chosen for the purpose of being

00:16:41 – 00:16:47:	a vessel of God's promise but they were not the only race they were one of many in the table

00:16:47 – 00:16:52:	of nations list all of them there's one interesting thing that I want to note I encore you can

00:16:52 – 00:16:58:	correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that in most places in scripture especially in the Old

00:16:58 – 00:17:03:	Testament when you're talking about the patriarchs it will say that in Adam had other sons and daughters

00:17:03 – 00:17:07:	so there will be some who were enumerated and then there will be others as simply I mentioned

00:17:07 – 00:17:11:	now I believe that the table of nations is complete and Noah is in the table of nations

00:17:13 – 00:17:18:	the reason that I think that's interesting is that although Noah lived to be 950

00:17:18 – 00:17:24:	it never says that he has had more than those three sons and I think the fact that God limited

00:17:25 – 00:17:32:	Noah's offspring to three men who became the fathers of the greatest nations of what became

00:17:32 – 00:17:38:	today what we call Africans principally Asians and principally Europeans like those are distinct

00:17:38 – 00:17:44:	groups that still exist in the world today and we can trace it directly back to a specific chapter

00:17:44 – 00:17:51:	in Genesis so when we talked in episode one of this about how this isn't evolution this is

00:17:51 – 00:17:56:	God acting in history I think there's some significance to the fact that God did not bless Noah

00:17:56 – 00:18:00:	with additional children unless I'm wrong can you correct me Corey no I think it's very obvious here

00:18:00 – 00:18:08:	that this is a complete list this is an exhaustive list of the nations and verse 32 the last verse

00:18:08 – 00:18:13:	in Genesis 10 emphasizes that point these are the clans of the sons of Noah according to their

00:18:13 – 00:18:19:	genealogies in their nations and from these the nations spread abroad on the earth after the flood

00:18:20 – 00:18:27:	so there's no mention of anyone else these are all of the human beings ever to exist contained

00:18:27 – 00:18:33:	within these men enumerated in this listing in Genesis 10 so I think what that tells us is that

00:18:33 – 00:18:39:	God wanted there to be Africans he wanted there to be Europeans and Asians now it's important to

00:18:39 – 00:18:45:	know when you look at the genetics that there was definitely more admixture of the sons of J 5th and

00:18:45 – 00:18:50:	the sons of Shem as they sort of went kind of north of the east and west there was more mixture than

00:18:50 – 00:18:58:	there is with the sons of ham we have really the only genes we have in common with Africans as

00:18:58 – 00:19:04:	Asians and Europeans goes pretty much back to the tower of Bable you know more or less just after

00:19:04 – 00:19:10:	the flood there's very little commonality beyond that which is rooted in Noah himself knowing his

00:19:10 – 00:19:16:	wife and his son in ham and his wife those four people have all the genes that we would have in

00:19:16 – 00:19:23:	common with that group and again that's a no way denial of their humanity or their worth

00:19:23 – 00:19:28:	or God Jesus sacrificed for them which is something we'll get to in a little bit we're not making

00:19:28 – 00:19:35:	a qualitative judgment we're simply saying God did this God made Africans he didn't make infinite

00:19:35 – 00:19:40:	human beings of all just were fungible we're all completely interchangeable and you can have an

00:19:40 – 00:19:44:	African and you move them over here and suddenly he becomes someone from Ohio God didn't do that

00:19:44 – 00:19:51:	it's not how he created the world and so when these discussions occur today there's such a tendency

00:19:51 – 00:19:56:	among especially Christians who want to be nice they want to be kind and they want to point to

00:19:56 – 00:20:04:	the cross go too far and delve into what's functionally narcissism to deny that the flesh the God

00:20:04 – 00:20:11:	has created in time and throughout time through a series of fathers going back and back to whom we

00:20:11 – 00:20:19:	are commanded by God to have respect and to love and to obey when we as Christians try to be more

00:20:19 – 00:20:24:	moral than God and say well none of that even happened you're human I'm human there's no difference

00:20:24 – 00:20:31:	at all that's a lie and it's a denial of what God did and that is the reason to get these things

00:20:31 – 00:20:38:	right because we as we say frequently if you let any lie into your own epistemology how you view

00:20:39 – 00:20:44:	all of these subjects whatever lie you say yeah that's mine I don't want to this this race stuff

00:20:44 – 00:20:48:	it bothers me too much I want to think about it I want to hear about it I'm just gonna lie and say

00:20:48 – 00:20:55:	the world exactly the same that's Satan's hook in your mind to be able to do damage down the road

00:20:55 – 00:21:01:	and it's pretty clear what that damage is as we see in the world and on one side you have Antifa

00:21:01 – 00:21:06:	saying that and on the other side you have Christians saying exactly the same thing

00:21:07 – 00:21:12:	that's them on the same side how did that happen how did Antifa and Christians both deny the

00:21:12 – 00:21:20:	race is real when scripture says that God created it and created all of us according to the image

00:21:20 – 00:21:26:	of our fathers going back and back and back and back and so the emphasis on fatherhood and the

00:21:26 – 00:21:32:	emphasis on patrilineal lines it's not something man invented as Corey said there's so many

00:21:32 – 00:21:39:	genealogies in scripture not only for Jesus line but just in general God like there's there

00:21:39 – 00:21:44:	books in the Bible the people skip because they're so boring because it's just genealogy and then

00:21:44 – 00:21:49:	we're supposed to believe today that genealogy doesn't matter that the way that God created us

00:21:49 – 00:21:54:	through our fathers doesn't matter how do you obey the fourth commandment when you do that how do

00:21:54 – 00:22:01:	you believe the Bible when you do that so discussion of race is not it's not an assault on on the Christian

00:22:01 – 00:22:06:	faith it's just making sure that we're shoring up the foundations that God has given to the very

00:22:06 – 00:22:11:	faith that is presented to us in scripture and it really does come down to the fact that if you

00:22:11 – 00:22:17:	deny race you are cutting yourself off at the knees when it comes to defending the faith

00:22:18 – 00:22:22:	because it is everywhere in scripture and it plays out in the natural sciences as well

00:22:23 – 00:22:30:	if you affirm what scripture says you can also affirm what science has found you can show people

00:22:30 – 00:22:33:	who believe in the science who will believe in the numbers if you can show them those

00:22:34 – 00:22:37:	look scripture says that's exactly what you're going to find if you look

00:22:38 – 00:22:43:	because these are entirely in agreement because of course if you look at the natural world

00:22:43 – 00:22:48:	in an honest way and believe the conclusions you actually find you don't filter them through

00:22:48 – 00:22:55:	some sort of ideology to skew the data if you look at what is actually there it fully aligns with

00:22:55 – 00:23:02:	because scripture is actual history Genesis is the actual history of the world with a focus yes

00:23:02 – 00:23:08:	on humanity of course but it is the history of the world and so what is contained in scripture

00:23:08 – 00:23:15:	is what you will find in nature it is what you will find in creation because as some used to say

00:23:15 – 00:23:23:	God has two books one is scripture one is creation they both attest to his glory and if you look

00:23:23 – 00:23:28:	in Job when God speaks directly to Job he does not in fact appeal to scripture now of course

00:23:28 – 00:23:33:	you can argue that's partly because Job is one of the oldest books possibly the oldest book in

00:23:33 – 00:23:40:	scripture but God appeals to creation when he is speaking of his glory and we should pay attention

00:23:40 – 00:23:47:	to that but this is probably a good place to refute a particular argument that comes up sometimes

00:23:47 – 00:23:54:	with regard to the existence of the nations of the races and that would be the Tower of Babel

00:23:54 – 00:24:00:	now you have a small problem with the ordering here if you're trying to say the Tower of Babel

00:24:00 – 00:24:06:	has something to do with the creation of the races because well the table of nation come before

00:24:06 – 00:24:11:	the Tower of Babel because the Tower of Babel is chapter 11 in Genesis and so far as we're

00:24:11 – 00:24:15:	pretending the chapters are really a thing but anyway it comes after it in the text and

00:24:15 – 00:24:22:	to be very clear the Tower of Babel is not where the races were created God did not come down

00:24:22 – 00:24:29:	and make races at Babel and the races are not a punishment they're not a consequence of sin

00:24:29 – 00:24:35:	they are part of God's good creation I will come back to that in a minute to explain why we

00:24:35 – 00:24:41:	know that for certain but when it comes to the Tower of Babel it is such an important story

00:24:41 – 00:24:47:	in scripture that if you ask even Christians very few would be able to tell you oh yeah of course

00:24:47 – 00:24:53:	it's one paragraph but it is it's literally one paragraph it is a very short section in scripture

00:24:53 – 00:24:57:	but of course it's very important I attempted to read it into a small study now but that's not

00:24:57 – 00:25:07:	really the place for it but the story of Babel is that instead of obeying God men and we can

00:25:07 – 00:25:13:	debate who exactly is present in this but at least some of the sons of the sons of Noah

00:25:13 – 00:25:18:	are present here and they build a tower they say they're going to make a name for themselves

00:25:18 – 00:25:23:	they are defying God who told them to spread out and cover the face of the earth which was his

00:25:23 – 00:25:31:	intention for the nations and so God comes down which that's a bit of biblical irony for you

00:25:32 – 00:25:36:	think about that one for a minute God comes down to confuse their language so they can no longer

00:25:36 – 00:25:41:	work together and continue sinning in this open high handed fashion and that disperses them

00:25:41 – 00:25:50:	as they were supposed to do beforehand one the scriptures has nothing here about dispersing

00:25:50 – 00:25:56:	them in a way that creates new nations or new genetic information and that's one of the problems

00:25:56 – 00:26:03:	if you contend that new genetic information was created by God at the Tower of Babel you are

00:26:03 – 00:26:10:	implicitly denying earlier on in Genesis when Adam names Eve and he names her Eve because she

00:26:10 – 00:26:17:	is the mother of all living if God comes down and creates a new genetic information and by doing

00:26:17 – 00:26:23:	that creates the nations at Babel creates the races there you're saying there's a break between

00:26:24 – 00:26:30:	those who are still descended from Eve and those who are descended effectively from God's work

00:26:30 – 00:26:37:	at Babel so that conflicts with what scripture says but to go back to the issue of how we know that

00:26:37 – 00:26:43:	the races are not a consequence of sin they're not a consequence of the fall they are not a punishment

00:26:44 – 00:26:52:	they are preserved in revelation because John speaks of seeing a huge crowd from every tribe

00:26:52 – 00:26:58:	in nation well he knows this because they still look likely belong to different tribes and nations

00:26:59 – 00:27:05:	so that's preserved in paradise this is part of God's good creation that's preserved in paradise

00:27:05 – 00:27:11:	and of course you can't say therefore that it is a consequence of sin or a punishment because sin

00:27:11 – 00:27:18:	is not preserved and the consequences of sin are not preserved in paradise so if the tribes and the

00:27:18 – 00:27:24:	nations are preserved they are part of God's good plan they are in and of themselves good and

00:27:24 – 00:27:31:	that's exactly what we see in scripture from Genesis through Revelation I think that what they're

00:27:31 – 00:27:42:	trying to say when they claim that God created races at Babel is it's from the specific verse where

00:27:43 – 00:27:49:	it says and the Lord said behold they are one people and they all have one language and this

00:27:49 – 00:27:53:	is the only beginning of what they will do and nothing that they propose to do will now be

00:27:53 – 00:27:59:	impossible for them I think the one people thing is what they're they're hooking on to and saying well

00:27:59 – 00:28:04:	they were all exactly the same and then God did something and it changed things now that's probably

00:28:04 – 00:28:09:	part of the sense part of the problem though they're conflating two separate things because it

00:28:09 – 00:28:15:	doesn't say they're one people it says the whole earth has one language it says that as people

00:28:15 – 00:28:19:	migrated from the east and so I think they're conflating that a little bit to try to say that the

00:28:19 – 00:28:22:	the one language is one people when it doesn't tell us that they're one people

00:28:23 – 00:28:28:	okay I was reading from the SV I didn't actually go back and look at maybe that's butchering it

00:28:28 – 00:28:34:	in any event the the the problem I want to the the problem to highlight there is that it ignores

00:28:34 – 00:28:39:	the command the god gave to Adam and repeated to Noah this was the at the at the end of

00:28:39 – 00:28:46:	Genesis 9 he again says to Noah and you be fruitful and multiply increase greatly on the earth

00:28:46 – 00:28:53:	and multiply in it it's a repetition of filling the earth and subduing it filling the earth was part

00:28:53 – 00:28:59:	of God's eternal plan they weren't to stay in one place and that was precisely what the tower

00:28:59 – 00:29:06:	was to do they wanted to remain one people they wanted one race the human race that was literally

00:29:06 – 00:29:13:	the cry of bable we are one people we are one race we will be mighty we will do things that no one

00:29:13 – 00:29:21:	else can understand and God said no I told you to disperse now is corny as you just highlighted

00:29:21 – 00:29:26:	all of the genetic information came from Adam and then from Eve by having been taken from him

00:29:28 – 00:29:33:	and as we described in the first episode it's entirely consistent that all the genes in Adam

00:29:33 – 00:29:39:	have been winnowed down in different directions they basically been sived among the different nations

00:29:39 – 00:29:45:	and sub nations as you go throughout time to the point that corny and I have very similar genetic

00:29:45 – 00:29:51:	backgrounds I'm like 75% English give or tape and about 20% German and I think you're kind of the

00:29:51 – 00:29:56:	flip side of that more or less aren't you pretty close guy more scholars than English but close

00:29:56 – 00:30:02:	enough yeah you know they're like ultimately we're all the same people because if you go back

00:30:02 – 00:30:07:	far enough when they were moving around they're all coming from from the Germanic lands before so

00:30:08 – 00:30:15:	we are closely related if if you know we had a co-host who was was Russian or some other Slavic

00:30:15 – 00:30:22:	nation they would be more distantly related because of physical distance and the time of separation

00:30:22 – 00:30:29:	so the people at bable they were one people in the sense that they had Noah as their father and

00:30:29 – 00:30:34:	they were you know second third fourth fifth cousins however far they had disperse genetically

00:30:34 – 00:30:39:	they were still very closely linked because they lived in the same place God said no you people

00:30:39 – 00:30:45:	are supposed to fill the earth that I've created I made this magnificent planet for you and you're not

00:30:45 – 00:30:49:	going anywhere you're just sitting here being idolatrous again I just killed everybody because

00:30:49 – 00:30:54:	your idolatry and you're doing it again no I'm gonna come down and I can fuse your language and

00:30:54 – 00:30:59:	I'm gonna send you the corners of the earth so that you will obey because if you won't obey because

00:30:59 – 00:31:04:	you believe me and fear me you will obey because I'm gonna make it impossible for you to talk to

00:31:04 – 00:31:09:	your cousin and that's exactly what happened suddenly the the man who standing next to him who was

00:31:10 – 00:31:15:	related closely certainly by modern standards was a stranger you could understand a word he said and

00:31:15 – 00:31:22:	so they naturally self-segregated and drifted apart and spread as God commanded and so all of the

00:31:22 – 00:31:28:	discussion from the episode on the biological nature of race talked about that dispersal about how

00:31:28 – 00:31:33:	people went largely their separate directions you had shem in the Middle East and in some

00:31:33 – 00:31:41:	in Asia you had jay fifth you know to India and to to Europe and you had ham basically to Africa

00:31:41 – 00:31:46:	and that's pretty much where humanity stayed more or less in their places until you get to the 1500s

00:31:46 – 00:31:53:	when the sons of jay fifth began exploring the rest of the world by sea there's you can do some

00:31:53 – 00:31:57:	stuff over land but when you start moving by sea it completely changes everything and that's

00:31:57 – 00:32:03:	something we talk about in the alley election episode where we also discuss race we talk about how

00:32:03 – 00:32:09:	the sons of jay fifth were the first to actually obey the great commission and take Christianity

00:32:09 – 00:32:14:	apart from their lands to other lands and when they went to the Americas and they went into

00:32:14 – 00:32:19:	deepest darkest Africa that's what they did they took the gospel with them Ethiopia and a tiny corner

00:32:19 – 00:32:26:	of an impossibly large con of Africa had Christianity but whatever attempts that they made to spread it

00:32:26 – 00:32:31:	to their neighbors completely failed it was just that one tiny corner that was all it was ever

00:32:31 – 00:32:36:	there they never evangelized the rest of Africa and for all intents and purposes it seems like the

00:32:36 – 00:32:42:	Indians on the tiny coast probably where Mark went never told anybody they didn't even tell their

00:32:42 – 00:32:47:	next door neighbors so you have a tiny sliver but no evangelism no no spreading of the gospel

00:32:47 – 00:32:53:	there was preservation of it and is coin I we're talking about this before we started I point out

00:32:53 – 00:32:57:	that you know maybe they shook the dust off their feet maybe they said our neighbors are

00:32:57 – 00:33:03:	are never going to accept this so I'm not condemning Ethiopians and Sudanese and in the Indians

00:33:03 – 00:33:09:	who had the gospel for not spreading it because I don't know what the situation was but we know with

00:33:09 – 00:33:15:	an absolute certainty there was only Europeans who took Christianity to India and to Africa even

00:33:15 – 00:33:21:	though there were Christians who were natives to those lands so again the races as they play out

00:33:21 – 00:33:28:	in time have a real impact on on the spread of the gospel just as they did in the old testament

00:33:28 – 00:33:34:	where it was principally the Hebrews not exclusively but principally the Hebrew people you know once

00:33:34 – 00:33:39:	you get passed at Abraham there were many believers before Abraham but he was one among them and I

00:33:39 – 00:33:44:	think that's important to know Abraham wasn't a Hebrew he wasn't in Israelite that was that was his

00:33:44 – 00:33:50:	grandson who became the father of that people Abraham was just a believer he believed in the promise

00:33:50 – 00:33:56:	of Christ which made him a Christian and he learned it from his father and we have no

00:33:56 – 00:34:01:	reason to believe that that was not a commonly held belief by others some of who may not have been

00:34:01 – 00:34:06:	related I mean they were in the area so they're probably somewhat related but it wouldn't necessarily

00:34:06 – 00:34:14:	have been exactly the same clan and we see in European history that much of the the mythology

00:34:15 – 00:34:21:	points to echoes of the Christian faith having once been held in places where it died out

00:34:21 – 00:34:27:	where it turned into myth and it turned into then paganism but at one time people far distant from

00:34:27 – 00:34:35:	the Middle East had at least some kernel of the gospel promises that God gave well in advance

00:34:35 – 00:34:42:	of Christ's birth and so God uses different races and different times for different purposes

00:34:42 – 00:34:48:	and that's to his glory we don't get to rob him of his glory because again we have a duty to our

00:34:48 – 00:34:53:	fathers my fathers are English and German predominantly and more broadly all of North

00:34:53 – 00:35:01:	Western Europe those are my people other people are not my people that's not a hateful thing to say

00:35:01 – 00:35:07:	if you are Chinese you're not my people and I'm not your people and that's not a hateful thing to

00:35:08 – 00:35:13:	say it's an acknowledgement that our roots are commonality goes back very far where is the roots

00:35:13 – 00:35:19:	that I have with someone like Corey are in the much more recent past you know we both have ancestors

00:35:19 – 00:35:25:	who were here in colonial days from earliest colonial days were probably related many times over

00:35:25 – 00:35:32:	even on this continent and certainly in Europe that's how it works when you are of the same people

00:35:32 – 00:35:37:	as someone else it means that you're your family and I think that's I think next we're going to

00:35:37 – 00:35:42:	think the next thing we're going to talk about is the fourth commandment and how the obedience to

00:35:42 – 00:35:49:	the fourth commandment particularly as it's explained by Luther as a fundamental part of all of this

00:35:49 – 00:35:57:	your duty to obey and to honor your father and your mother doesn't end with those two human beings

00:35:58 – 00:36:03:	there's no excuse well yet God says I have to obey my dad but my grandpa whatever he's not

00:36:03 – 00:36:09:	he's not enumerated I can do whatever I want to him even after the sake of argument such thought

00:36:09 – 00:36:16:	would were possible the only way that I as a man could honor my father would be to respect his

00:36:16 – 00:36:24:	duty to honor his father which would require obeying his grandfather my grandfather so even if you

00:36:24 – 00:36:29:	take the most literal strict reading of the fourth commandment which we believe as Lutherans is

00:36:29 – 00:36:35:	not permissible but even if you did that it doesn't change your fundamental duty to honor and to

00:36:35 – 00:36:40:	obey your ancestors again unless it contravenes the first commandment where we fear love and trust

00:36:40 – 00:36:48:	in God above all things if your choices between God and your father you choose God short of that

00:36:48 – 00:36:54:	you obey your father in obedience to God and you obey all of your fathers before you and that

00:36:54 – 00:37:02:	requires a respect and an honor of what is ultimately your race that is not a dollar to rear of race

00:37:02 – 00:37:07:	that is an acknowledgement that how God made you whatever you are like when I'm saying these things

00:37:07 – 00:37:10:	I'm not talking to white people I don't know who's listening I've said this before if you're

00:37:10 – 00:37:18:	Chinese if you're African if you can be anything that God has created you have a duty to honor your

00:37:18 – 00:37:24:	fathers going back to Noah and going back to Adam and everyone in between that is obedience to

00:37:24 – 00:37:30:	the fourth commandment I'm not saying my fathers are better than your fathers and therefore you

00:37:30 – 00:37:36:	should honor mine and said no that that would be disobedience to God this is not a white message

00:37:36 – 00:37:44:	this is this is the Christian faith that we honor our fathers in time immemorial and doing that

00:37:45 – 00:37:52:	is anathema in this day to say that will cause you to be accused of racism and whatever supremacy your

00:37:52 – 00:37:56:	your race happens to be turns out it's always white no one else can be a supremacist which is

00:37:56 – 00:38:02:	is a subject for another day but the fact that that pattern keeps playing out should give Christians

00:38:02 – 00:38:08:	pause it should make you very concerned that you're being told by the world hey maybe don't obey

00:38:08 – 00:38:13:	God that sounds like it's going a little too far that message if you're hearing it in your ear

00:38:13 – 00:38:17:	that is not coming from God and so we turn to the commandments and we turn to scripture

00:38:17 – 00:38:24:	to see what God says so that we can continue to obey God and if the world hates us for it frankly

00:38:24 – 00:38:30:	that just tells us that we're obeying God God promised many times you'll be hated for his sake

00:38:30 – 00:38:34:	so if the world loves you that should make you much more nervous than if the world hates you

00:38:35 – 00:38:39:	just address two points quickly because I know they will come up in comments if I do not

00:38:39 – 00:38:43:	address them now so it makes more sense to do it now instead of six times in comments

00:38:44 – 00:38:49:	when I said that they were not one people at the Tower of Babel I'm looking at the Greek here

00:38:49 – 00:38:55:	and the word uses Gennos instead of ethnos ethnos being the word that is typically used for race

00:38:56 – 00:39:00:	or people group that appears many times in scripture which is what we're talking about here

00:39:00 – 00:39:07:	161 times in the New Testament just shy of 700 in the Septuagint and in case anyone thinks I'm playing

00:39:07 – 00:39:14:	games with the Greek it appears 550 some times as goi in the Hebrew but the point that I'm making

00:39:14 – 00:39:20:	is Gennos is used there and that means they're all one generation or one family as opposed to one

00:39:20 – 00:39:26:	ethnos that is a different thing of course at the time they would have all been very much more

00:39:26 – 00:39:32:	closely related because there had been less time for genetic drift and changes in allele frequency

00:39:32 – 00:39:37:	etc. see our previous episode for more on that but the point that is being made is that these

00:39:37 – 00:39:43:	people are all closely related and know each other because if you think about it these are probably

00:39:43 – 00:39:51:	grandparents and grandchildren great-grandparents not too many generations of a span there so even if

00:39:51 – 00:39:57:	you are as far away as possible on this you're still going to be say a great-grandchild of ham

00:39:57 – 00:40:03:	a great-grandchild of shem so these are still fairly closely related people group that was the

00:40:03 – 00:40:09:	distinction I was making there between those two terms and then when it comes to Abram there are

00:40:09 – 00:40:14:	some who have made the argument that Abram was probably a pagan before he was called scripture

00:40:14 – 00:40:22:	does not actually tell us scripture tells us that Torah was at least an idolater he may also have

00:40:23 – 00:40:28:	served to some degree the one true God because that would have been carried down possibly from his

00:40:28 – 00:40:35:	ancestors but yes in Joshua 24 it does say that he served other gods it does not say that notably

00:40:35 – 00:40:40:	of Abram although one way to take that of course would be that it was God's initiative coming to

00:40:40 – 00:40:46:	Abram giving him faith calling him out of a pagan setting because at the least he was in a pagan

00:40:46 – 00:40:52:	setting so just clearing those up now instead of fielding comments later thank you for that

00:40:53 – 00:40:57:	do you want to talk about the fourth commandment before we move on to the New Testament I mean

00:40:57 – 00:41:01:	really I would just be echoing what you said for Lutherans this is going to be very straightforward

00:41:01 – 00:41:04:	you've read this in the small catechism I hope that you have also read this in the large

00:41:04 – 00:41:09:	catechism particularly if you are a father or someone involved in teaching in your church because

00:41:09 – 00:41:16:	it is incumbent on you then to have done that but the fourth commandment is very clear actually if

00:41:17 – 00:41:23:	you read the fourth commandment in scriptural context and understand how God works with humanity

00:41:23 – 00:41:33:	in time and over time just look at the line of Christ God works with Abraham he works with his sons

00:41:33 – 00:41:41:	grandsons great grandsons great great grandsons down through the line of Judah and David and all

00:41:41 – 00:41:48:	the others so yes you are supposed to honor your immediate mother and father but you are also

00:41:48 – 00:41:54:	supposed to honor your grandparents and your great grandparents and it extends back in time

00:41:54 – 00:42:02:	because you are not some sort of or individual you do not stand alone you are not an isolated

00:42:02 – 00:42:08:	island you are part of a great chain that extends from you back through your parents and your

00:42:08 – 00:42:16:	grandparents all the way back to Noah and all the way back to Adam you are ultimately a son of God

00:42:16 – 00:42:21:	if you're a Christian that is restored to you but you are a son of God because Adam is described

00:42:21 – 00:42:29:	in scripture as a son of God and then so everything you are everything you have from God he has given

00:42:29 – 00:42:37:	you through this family line through your race and to ignore how God works is to ignore the real

00:42:37 – 00:42:42:	meaning of the fourth commandment and of course there's also the issue of the fourth commandment

00:42:43 – 00:42:48:	applying to those who are in authority in the kingdom of the left hand but that's not really

00:42:48 – 00:42:55:	directly related to what we're discussing today so the focus more is on the family because that's

00:42:55 – 00:43:01:	one of the three estates the three estates being the state the church and the family we're really

00:43:01 – 00:43:07:	talking about the family today and as the fourth commandment applies to the family it applies to your

00:43:07 – 00:43:13:	entire family not just your immediate family so we mentioned I think at the very beginning of

00:43:13 – 00:43:19:	the first episode the one of those particular verses we would address was from Galatians 328

00:43:19 – 00:43:26:	you've probably all heard you may have said yourself in arguing about race with another Christian

00:43:26 – 00:43:33:	there is neither Jew nor Greek now that's an isolation game over right I mean if God says there's

00:43:33 – 00:43:41:	no more of that then obviously even if race existed previously it doesn't exist after Jesus

00:43:41 – 00:43:47:	that's more or less the argument that's made now it's a completely incoherent argument because

00:43:47 – 00:43:55:	it's based on proof texting it's based on completely eliminating the entire context of that verse

00:43:55 – 00:44:01:	and then making a point that as we've said in past episodes nobody ever made before this past

00:44:01 – 00:44:07:	century no one ever said this stuff they were refuting today no one ever said that there were no

00:44:07 – 00:44:14:	races until the last 150 years and less than that really so I'm going to give you the full context

00:44:14 – 00:44:22:	for Galatians 328 beginning with verse 25 and following but now that faith has come we are no

00:44:22 – 00:44:29:	longer under a guardian for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God through faith for as many of you

00:44:29 – 00:44:35:	as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek there is neither slave

00:44:35 – 00:44:42:	nor free there is no male and female for you are all one in Christ Jesus and if you are

00:44:42 – 00:44:49:	Christs then your Abraham's offspring heirs according to the promise now there's a lot going on

00:44:49 – 00:44:55:	in this verse in that passage as we mentioned previously I want to highlight particularly if you

00:44:55 – 00:45:01:	when you read Galatians 3 in general there's a sorry all of Galatians Paul is making an extensive

00:45:01 – 00:45:11:	argument about the rights of inheritance as a Christian as an adopted son of God you receive

00:45:11 – 00:45:17:	the inheritance rights along with Christ to eternal life and through Christ you receive that

00:45:17 – 00:45:24:	inheritance now it says there you are all sons of God that's talking about women too women

00:45:25 – 00:45:33:	in baptism become sons of God for the specific reason that inheritance is limited to sons

00:45:33 – 00:45:40:	so when the verse says there is no male and female it is not a denial of biological sex it is

00:45:40 – 00:45:47:	saying that it doesn't matter how God created you in your in your baptism by receiving the gift of

00:45:47 – 00:45:54:	faith you become a son of God you receive the inheritance of eternal life that the rights and

00:45:54 – 00:46:00:	privileges of being a son of God as it is Cory just said are extended to those who are adopted

00:46:00 – 00:46:08:	adopted by faith through baptism so when someone tries to use this verse that says there is neither

00:46:08 – 00:46:13:	Jew nor Greek and say that means that race doesn't exist or that means a race was a sin in Jesus

00:46:13 – 00:46:19:	fixed it you must completely deny the entire context of this passage and frankly you must deny

00:46:19 – 00:46:26:	the entire book because the book is talking about in this particular passage are talking about

00:46:26 – 00:46:32:	salvation this is an explicitly soteriological passage it is saying how are we received

00:46:33 – 00:46:39:	in Christ by faith we are received as sons of God so no there is no male and female because

00:46:39 – 00:46:45:	you are all received as sons of God now people are following that that's not a denial of biological

00:46:45 – 00:46:51:	anymore than it's a denial of biological race so for anyone who has ever said there is neither

00:46:51 – 00:46:57:	Jew nor Greek as a refutation of what we're saying about biological race they're committing a

00:46:57 – 00:47:04:	heresy they're denying the soteriological basis of this precious passage that is saying no matter

00:47:04 – 00:47:10:	who you are it doesn't matter who you are and that's what we say that's what we believe is what

00:47:10 – 00:47:16:	we will take before the judgment thrown of God it does not matter who you are if you're a human

00:47:16 – 00:47:24:	being Jesus Christ died on the cross for you for your sins when you receive the gift of faith

00:47:24 – 00:47:30:	you receive that forgiveness which was already poured out on the cross your sins have already

00:47:30 – 00:47:37:	been paid for and you receive that forgiveness when you received as a son of God in baptism through

00:47:37 – 00:47:44:	your faith this is all part and parcel this is all talking about salvation and so it is

00:47:44 – 00:47:51:	utterly grotesque it is demonic for any Christian to take this passage and say well there's no race

00:47:51 – 00:47:56:	because look it says there and just saying Jew and Greek or Jew and Gentile there's none of that

00:47:56 – 00:48:02:	well if you pay attention to the words we talked before to be very careful attention when the

00:48:02 – 00:48:09:	possessive is used this says we are no longer under a guardian for in Christ Jesus you are all

00:48:09 – 00:48:15:	sons of God and then it says there is neither Jew nor Greek now if you actually understand the

00:48:15 – 00:48:21:	English language and you believe scripture and you pay attention in Jesus Christ means something

00:48:22 – 00:48:29:	because not every man is in Jesus Christ there are billions of men who are not in Jesus Christ

00:48:29 – 00:48:37:	they are damned because they do not have faith and they reject God so to say the race doesn't exist

00:48:39 – 00:48:43:	it obliterates this passage it turns this passage that's something about the precious gift

00:48:43 – 00:48:49:	that is received only within the faith and turns it into a nostic passage that nullifies creation

00:48:49 – 00:48:56:	itself this is not a small matter when men will destroy such a profoundly comforting passage

00:48:56 – 00:49:03:	for the sake of scoring political points to say the race is not real how are you going to then say

00:49:03 – 00:49:08:	the sex is real it says there's no male and female so trannies are on the menu right you can be

00:49:08 – 00:49:14:	pansexual you can have no sex you can be just a human being with absolutely no particular qualities

00:49:14 – 00:49:20:	whatsoever because it says right there in Galatians 328 this is not how Christians read the Bible

00:49:20 – 00:49:25:	it is not how Christians use the Bible so I saved this for this point because all the things we've

00:49:25 – 00:49:30:	said in the past episodes that are very upsetting because they fly in the face of what has been

00:49:30 – 00:49:36:	said about race for the last hundred years if your reputation is there is neither june or greek

00:49:37 – 00:49:42:	you need to take a long hard pause and look at how you're receiving scripture and look at who's

00:49:42 – 00:49:47:	talking to you where did you get that idea because you didn't get it from God there is no possible

00:49:48 – 00:49:55:	for any Christian to read Galatians 3 and come away thinking that sex and race and biological

00:49:55 – 00:50:02:	reality cease to exist they cease to matter for the purpose of salvation in fact they never

00:50:02 – 00:50:07:	mattered for the purpose of salvation God makes it explicit for our comfort do not rob scripture

00:50:07 – 00:50:14:	of its comfort to score political points really if you're going to misinterpret Galatians 328 you

00:50:14 – 00:50:21:	have two choices you can either make it completely incoherent by saying that june greek aren't real

00:50:21 – 00:50:25:	categories and therefore scripture is just saying something that has no semantic context whatsoever

00:50:27 – 00:50:33:	or you can make it into a nostic scripture and become something other than Christian and I

00:50:33 – 00:50:40:	definitely seen people do both of those but on a tangentially related issue lately I've been

00:50:40 – 00:50:46:	reading more and I have two sets of scripture that don't have any of the little modern bits and

00:50:46 – 00:50:53:	pieces here and there which is to say chapter and headings and verses and all that and I think

00:50:53 – 00:51:00:	this may be one of the best examples of arguments against the use of chapter numbers and verses

00:51:01 – 00:51:09:	because they literally split this section of the letter to the Galatians in half for well not

00:51:09 – 00:51:15:	quite half but close for no reason no good reason anyway because if you continue on into chapter 4

00:51:16 – 00:51:23:	the next section is should be directly attached to this bit in Galatians 3 because it gives the

00:51:23 – 00:51:30:	explanation I mean that an heir as long as he is a child is no different from a slave though he

00:51:30 – 00:51:35:	is the owner of everything but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father in

00:51:35 – 00:51:41:	the same way we also when we were children were enslaved to the elementary principles of the world

00:51:41 – 00:51:47:	but when the fullness of time had come God sent forth his son born of woman born under the law

00:51:47 – 00:51:53:	to redeem those who were under the law so that we might receive adoption as sons and because you

00:51:53 – 00:51:59:	are sons God has sent the spirit of his son into our hearts crying oba father so you are no longer

00:51:59 – 00:52:07:	a slave but a son and if a son then an heir through God so we see exactly what is being said

00:52:07 – 00:52:13:	earlier in the passage when you continue on to the part that for some reason has been segmented

00:52:13 – 00:52:20:	off as the beginning of the next chapter and of course we could go over Galatians 328 for a six

00:52:20 – 00:52:29:	hour episode just by itself but the core takeaway is that these are real categories and that's why

00:52:29 – 00:52:36:	the verse has meaning if these categories Jew and Greek which is to say race slave and free which

00:52:36 – 00:52:42:	is to say hierarchy essentially male and female which is to say biological sex if these categories

00:52:42 – 00:52:50:	are not real the verse doesn't have any meaning it has meaning because they're real and so the

00:52:50 – 00:52:58:	meaning is these very real things these very real distinctions between and among people have no

00:52:58 – 00:53:04:	superior logical impact now of course there's an ancillary impact because obviously if you are

00:53:04 – 00:53:10:	descended from Christians and a Christian nation you are more likely to be Christian because you're

00:53:10 – 00:53:16:	more likely to have had the means of grace in your life you're more likely to have been baptized

00:53:16 – 00:53:25:	you're more likely to have heard the word etc but in an absolute sense whether you are Jewish or

00:53:25 – 00:53:33:	Greek or Roman or German or French or Chinese does not matter to whether or not the gospel is for

00:53:33 – 00:53:40:	you so tireologically your race is irrelevant in a practical sense again it may be relevant because

00:53:40 – 00:53:45:	again living in a Christian nation you are more likely to be Christian and that is one of the

00:53:45 – 00:53:53:	reason these things matter and why we are discussing them the same as with race so with hierarchy

00:53:53 – 00:53:59:	regardless of where you fall on the social hierarchy which is a very real thing there are

00:53:59 – 00:54:07:	slave and free even today slavery is incidentally still legal in the United States go ahead and

00:54:07 – 00:54:14:	read the amendment if you don't believe me but the hierarchy is real but it does not have so

00:54:14 – 00:54:21:	theological impact you can be saved regardless of whether you are the wealthiest man in a nation

00:54:21 – 00:54:28:	or the poorest man in a nation and the same holds for biological sex whether or not

00:54:29 – 00:54:35:	you are saved does not depend on whether you are male or female and these are also

00:54:36 – 00:54:42:	polemical because these are directly refuting various heresies that were around at the time

00:54:43 – 00:54:48:	because you have the Judaizers who say you have to become a Jew before you can become a Christian

00:54:48 – 00:54:54:	well neither Jew nor Greek is written in part against them you have those who would contend that

00:54:54 – 00:55:02:	well it's only the free born who are of the quality necessary to have access to salvation to be worthy

00:55:02 – 00:55:06:	of this gift from God and know that's neither slave nor free it's condemning that heresy

00:55:07 – 00:55:12:	and then you have those who would say that women could not be saved because woman is the weaker

00:55:12 – 00:55:17:	vessel that part is true but that because she's the weaker vessel she cannot receive this gift of

00:55:17 – 00:55:23:	God and says no there is no male and female it is a condemnation of that heresy so you have to

00:55:23 – 00:55:28:	know what you're reading in scripture and what is being said and if you take the modernist approach

00:55:29 – 00:55:35:	if you deny these categories you rob the scripture of any coherent meaning you destroy the

00:55:35 – 00:55:42:	polemical nature against heresies and you are going to destroy if not your own faith then the

00:55:42 – 00:55:47:	faith of your children or your grandchildren because they will recognize at some point well I

00:55:47 – 00:55:54:	was told there's no male and female so how can I possibly say that homosexuality is wrong

00:55:54 – 00:56:00:	because that depends on a difference biologically between men and women well so it can't be wrong

00:56:00 – 00:56:06:	because of what I was told well being transgender can't be wrong because if there's no male and female

00:56:06 – 00:56:12:	then it doesn't matter which one you claim to be these are in coherent they mean nothing they

00:56:12 – 00:56:19:	mean whatever I want them to mean that is the reality you will see if you start by denying these

00:56:19 – 00:56:24:	it doesn't matter what the reason is it never matters what the reason is if you are supporting a lie

00:56:24 – 00:56:30:	is it worse to support a lie willfully for a malicious reason of course but Satan will use your

00:56:30 – 00:56:37:	support of the lie even if you believe it was undertaken in good faith even if in so far as it

00:56:37 – 00:56:42:	is possible to defend a lie in good faith you were doing so Satan just needs that little toe hold

00:56:43 – 00:56:49:	and that's what you give him when you deny any of the categories in Galatians 328

00:56:50 – 00:56:55:	and this is why we're constantly emphasizing the importance of not embracing any lies we're talking

00:56:55 – 00:57:01:	about six words there there is neither Jew nor Greek that's six words if you abuse those you can

00:57:01 – 00:57:08:	destroy the Christian faith by adopting one lie after another that must necessarily follow from

00:57:08 – 00:57:12:	the lie you already hold and it's quite just pointed out the same as with there's neither there's

00:57:12 – 00:57:19:	no male and female you will destroy the Christian faith in short order if you use that verse if you

00:57:19 – 00:57:24:	cherry pick that if you invert it to mean literally the opposite what it's saying by saying that it's

00:57:24 – 00:57:30:	not really a true category that it's something that God has erased which would imply that it's

00:57:30 – 00:57:35:	the result of sin and this is another thing that I referred to I think in the I think it was the

00:57:35 – 00:57:44:	episode on frame pointed out that BLM on their website they actually went through Galatians 328

00:57:44 – 00:57:49:	and inverted it piece by piece as their bullet points for what they were doing you know BLM is

00:57:49 – 00:57:55:	obviously going to be anti-slavery so they've gotten either slave nor free down everyone's free

00:57:55 – 00:58:01:	they're freer than ever freedom is just flowing down the gutters today when BLM is on the march

00:58:01 – 00:58:07:	there's neither junior Greek will it's all about anti-racism being anti-racist is sacramental

00:58:07 – 00:58:14:	and if you have to burn and destroy cities as a performance of that sacrament your blessings flow

00:58:14 – 00:58:20:	from it and there's no male and female we pointed out that they were advocating homosexuality the

00:58:20 – 00:58:28:	destruction of the nuclear family and treating human beings as sexually fungible in a way that

00:58:28 – 00:58:33:	if you look at the purpose of BLM as stated doesn't make any sense why are they talking about

00:58:33 – 00:58:39:	the family why are they talking about kids why are they talking about sexuality well Satan knows

00:58:39 – 00:58:45:	what he's doing Satan knows that Galatians 328 is the distillation of many elements of the Christian

00:58:45 – 00:58:51:	faith there's an intersection here of everything that's happening today and so we save this verse to

00:58:51 – 00:58:58:	deal with in this episode because Satan cares about it so again if you ever hear someone there's

00:58:58 – 00:59:03:	neither junior Greek that means that there's no race that once you've processed this and you go

00:59:03 – 00:59:09:	back and you read Galatians and do some thinking on your own we're talking about this before the

00:59:09 – 00:59:14:	before we began recording we don't want you to listen to what we're saying and instantly agree

00:59:14 – 00:59:19:	with all of it because if you'll instantly agree with us when we say something you've never heard

00:59:19 – 00:59:24:	before that's the opposite of what you've been told then when the next guy comes along and says

00:59:24 – 00:59:29:	something else it seems novel and exciting you're just gonna believe that too I would much prefer

00:59:29 – 00:59:35:	that you hear us say these things and you struggle with them the more you struggle the more you're

00:59:35 – 00:59:41:	gonna turn to God's word to say is that right are these guys insane are they lying to me what's the

00:59:41 – 00:59:47:	trick here I want you to turn to God in these questions because if somebody can come along

00:59:47 – 00:59:52:	and horn swagger you with a bunch of fancy words we we try to use fancy words but we try to use

00:59:52 – 00:59:57:	rhetorical tricks and we particularly point out when others do that but the world is full of that

59:57 – 01:00:04
people will try to just weave a web around you and bury you to the point you don't you don't know

01:00:04 – 01:00:08:	how to navigate your way out of it and say just say oh either I don't care I guess I'll agree with

01:00:08 – 01:00:14:	that that seems fine if it just clicks if you hear it and for the first time what we're saying

01:00:14 – 01:00:20:	absolutely makes sense we're not saying doubt it like if if if we're unlocking something that has

01:00:20 – 01:00:26:	been bothering you for years that's just us giving you the key to to finally piece that together

01:00:26 – 01:00:32:	but if you struggle with these things continue to struggle don't let that be a bad sign I don't

01:00:32 – 01:00:36:	want you to believe right away just because we said something that's not good for your soul you

01:00:36 – 01:00:41:	should hear something and if it's you're hearing it for the first time and it's contrary to what you

01:00:41 – 01:00:46:	been taught as we said repeatedly that should make you nervous that should get your hackles up you

01:00:46 – 01:00:51:	should be on the defensive when a man tells you something contrary to what you've been taught

01:00:51 – 01:00:57:	however if the argument is coming from scripture or at least is presented from scripture

01:00:59 – 01:01:05:	go back to scripture go read Galatians 3 go read Galatians forget the chapters and verses I've

01:01:05 – 01:01:10:	said before if you don't have a Bible it says missing all that garbage you can go to esv.org

01:01:11 – 01:01:16:	click on the gear you can turn it all off you have no footnotes no headers no verse numbers none of

01:01:16 – 01:01:21:	that crap you'll just have Galatians and you'll know when you're done because it'll say Ephesians

01:01:21 – 01:01:25:	because they show the book distinction so you know which book you're in that is how you should

01:01:25 – 01:01:32:	read scripture at least some of the time go read Galatians as a whole and see if you can possibly

01:01:32 – 01:01:38:	come away with that it's thinking that Paul inspired by the Holy Spirit was saying race isn't real

01:01:40 – 01:01:44:	it's not going to happen if you have the Holy Spirit that will not be your conclusion and if

01:01:44 – 01:01:50:	there are men who are saying those things to you they're in profound error in their jeopardizing

01:01:50 – 01:01:55:	the souls of everyone who listens to them we're saying these things because they're not being

01:01:55 – 01:02:02:	seldom said elsewhere and they're pivotal it's absolutely pivotal the Galatians 328 contains

01:02:02 – 01:02:08:	so much truth and so few verses and every word of it is being destroyed in the world not

01:02:08 – 01:02:12:	theologically now it's being destroyed in our churches by men twisting these words to mean the

01:02:12 – 01:02:20:	opposite but it's being destroyed in the world at large on a secular basis on the basis that

01:02:20 – 01:02:27:	well race can't be real because look at the division it's causing socially well reread Genesis where

01:02:27 – 01:02:34:	God talks about the tower of Babel and what he thought about the unity of man when you hear unity

01:02:34 – 01:02:43:	of man as as a watchword for the ultimate morality does that come from God what unifies us

01:02:44 – 01:02:50:	man is to be united in one thing and one thing only that is the worship of the one true God

01:02:51 – 01:02:56:	worship of the one true God is only possible by faith so when Galatians is talking about us being

01:02:56 – 01:03:04:	one by virtue of being adopted as sons of God that is not an inversion of Babel that is the

01:03:04 – 01:03:10:	perfection of our salvation it does not erase the physical it does not erase your race it does not

01:03:10 – 01:03:17:	erase your hierarchical status in society and it doesn't erase your sex all of those things are

01:03:17 – 01:03:23:	how God created you and all of those things we have no reason to believe they won't be preserved in

01:03:23 – 01:03:28:	heaven now the slave nor three free thing is the one that's up in the air we don't know what

01:03:30 – 01:03:35:	freedom will be like we can't imagine freedom all we can imagine is a perverse freedom we can't

01:03:35 – 01:03:42:	imagine the true freedom where the only things that we can possibly do are godly that's heaven

01:03:42 – 01:03:46:	that's the new earth it's when anything you can conceive of wanting is going to be in a

01:03:46 – 01:03:53:	cord with God's will that is a profound comfort and it's unspeakably wonderful we don't know how to

01:03:53 – 01:04:01:	comprehend that the flip side of that as we speak today is slave all slave means is property of

01:04:01 – 01:04:08:	another man it means that a human is the property of another human I don't know how that's going

01:04:08 – 01:04:13:	to play out in a new earth will there still be property I think yes absolutely I don't think you

01:04:13 – 01:04:17:	can look at the ten commandments as you get to the six seven eight nine and ten in particular

01:04:17 – 01:04:24:	and think the property rights are contrary to God's will did he really emphasize them so

01:04:24 – 01:04:29:	profoundly to his people into the world you know written on our hearts every man knows not to

01:04:29 – 01:04:35:	steal he has to throw that away he has to know he has to cease to care that he's doing something evil

01:04:35 – 01:04:41:	before he'll steal so property is written on our hearts whether we will continue to be property

01:04:41 – 01:04:46:	whether we will continue to have hierarchy it's not revealed it's not something you have to worry

01:04:46 – 01:04:52:	about and so I wouldn't go so far as to make a theological claim on the basis of this because those

01:04:52 – 01:04:59:	other categories are real but I will tell you this if your view of a man owning another man as

01:04:59 – 01:05:06:	property is so hell bent against it you're going to have a real hard time reconciling that with the

01:05:06 – 01:05:11:	rest of scripture because there are many places where slavery where the ownership of a man

01:05:11 – 01:05:16:	as property is given and it is not condemned per se what we're going to do an entire episode just

01:05:16 – 01:05:21:	on slavery but part of the reason we're going to do that is because these are all part of the

01:05:21 – 01:05:27:	whole why are we talking about race Galatians 328 why do we talk about the difference between men

01:05:27 – 01:05:34:	and women Galatians 328 while we talk about slavery same reason all of these things that are under

01:05:34 – 01:05:41:	attack today and isn't it interesting sex slavery and you know hierarchy of any sort and the

01:05:41 – 01:05:47:	races why are those the hot button issues of this day think about that is as you as you go away from

01:05:47 – 01:05:57:	this episode why is it that Galatians 328 defines the news cycle seriously why does Galatians 328

01:05:57 – 01:06:03:	define the news cycle why does it define higher education how did that happen because they weren't

01:06:03 – 01:06:07:	reading book the bible and saying oh we're going to do the opposite they're getting their marching

01:06:07 – 01:06:13:	orders from hell and God and Satan is really concerned about people correctly understanding this

01:06:13 – 01:06:21:	because again this is so theological this is God using the created order and then sanctifying

01:06:21 – 01:06:28:	it through the blood of his son we can't undo any of that we can't undo we can't ignore the salvation

01:06:28 – 01:06:33:	and we can't ignore the creation you can't just pick one either and that's what we talk about

01:06:33 – 01:06:38:	narcissism you can't say oh this physical stuff whatever that's not important it's all about

01:06:38 – 01:06:45:	Jesus it's all about the spirit it's all about salvation that's not true I we're going to talk

01:06:45 – 01:06:50:	in a minute about duty as it relates to the fourth commandment but if you think that you have no

01:06:50 – 01:06:57:	duties other than to worship God what does that do to the Christian life say for example you on a

01:06:57 – 01:07:03:	dog what we'll leave aside you know your your wife your children say you own a dog if you own a

01:07:03 – 01:07:09:	dog that's your property the dog is a living creature created by God you own it it is your duty

01:07:09 – 01:07:15:	to care for it to feed it to shelter it to preserve its health and its safety what if you decide

01:07:16 – 01:07:20:	it's all about Jesus I'm not going to feed my dog anymore that's not a gospel issue

01:07:20 – 01:07:28:	there are people who actually will try to approach these subjects by with that reasoning by saying

01:07:28 – 01:07:33:	well this isn't the gospel this isn't a gospel issue this race stuff this creation stuff this

01:07:33 – 01:07:39:	isn't about Jesus or the cross well neither is feeding your dog does that mean you have the moral

01:07:39 – 01:07:45:	right to starve your dog to death no if I come to you and say you're starving your got your dog

01:07:45 – 01:07:50:	to death this is your property you care for you love it you cannot starve it to death if your

01:07:50 – 01:07:56:	response is that's not a gospel issue why are you talking about Jesus you have you've abandoned

01:07:56 – 01:08:02:	the faith even while you think you're pointing to the cross and so when we talk about not letting

01:08:02 – 01:08:08:	these subjects be being reduced to only one thing that's why if you just want to say well it's

01:08:08 – 01:08:14:	all about Jesus and you won't talk about created order you're not even talking about Jesus anymore

01:08:14 – 01:08:21:	because Jesus is the fountainhead of created order Jesus is God all of this flows from him

01:08:21 – 01:08:26:	and all of it is sanctified through him we don't get to throw away the things that God sanctified

01:08:26 – 01:08:32:	with his blood and created and redeemed for his own good purposes we don't get to ignore that

01:08:32 – 01:08:37:	to say that we're pointing to the cross because that's the only thing that matters all of it matters

01:08:37 – 01:08:42:	all of it matters because of the cross all of it matters because of God he is our creator first

01:08:42 – 01:08:49:	and then our redeemer the redemption was only necessary because we were created and we fell

01:08:49 – 01:08:54:	had we not fallen redemption would not have been necessary and God would still have been our

01:08:54 – 01:09:01:	creator and that's when when Cory was referring to Job especially Job 38 and following God points

01:09:01 – 01:09:07:	to himself as creator when he speaks to Job he doesn't talk about well I'm going to save you

01:09:07 – 01:09:12:	later I'm going to pay for your sins so don't worry about that why why are you challenging me

01:09:12 – 01:09:20:	when Job challenges God God points to creation to test I who to his glory we as Christians are

01:09:20 – 01:09:26:	obligated to look to creation and not denounce it and not say it doesn't matter it doesn't save

01:09:26 – 01:09:31:	but it's from the same creator from whom our redemption comes and if you deny your creator you

01:09:31 – 01:09:36:	have denied your redeemer there's no way to get around that and that's why we these seemingly

01:09:36 – 01:09:42:	peripheral issues are so important Satan knows they matter and that's why he's going after him

01:09:42 – 01:09:48:	today and so when you read this section and really you should read the entire book when you read it

01:09:48 – 01:09:55:	read it in context and then compare the parallel passages so also read Colossians specifically in this

01:09:55 – 01:10:01:	case Colossians three if you decide not to read the entire book here there is not Greek and Jew

01:10:01 – 01:10:08:	circumcised and uncircumcised barbarian skitian slave free but Christ is all and in all and of

01:10:08 – 01:10:14:	course you can see the listing here is giving a different emphasis but making a similar point

01:10:14 – 01:10:18:	these are a listing of attributes that are real that are important that means something that

01:10:18 – 01:10:25:	correspond to reality but in Christ they aren't as important because they don't have the

01:10:25 – 01:10:32:	satirial logical meaning or impact they are still of absolute importance when it comes to how

01:10:32 – 01:10:37:	you conduct yourself in this life because they are part of how you were made by your creator

01:10:39 – 01:10:47:	but another thing that is worth pondering is if you look to the beginning of some of the

01:10:47 – 01:10:52:	current let's call them political problems that we have in the world if you trace them back

01:10:52 – 01:10:59:	many of them you will have to trace not necessarily as the foundation but back through the French

01:10:59 – 01:11:11:	revolution and what was the slogan of the French revolution liberty egalité fraternité liberty equality

01:11:11 – 01:11:18:	fraternity it is a literal rejection of these three categories from Galatians

01:11:19 – 01:11:27:	there is neither Jew nor Greek while we reject that with fraternité there is neither slave nor

01:11:27 – 01:11:34:	free well we reject that with liberté there is no male and female while we reject that with

01:11:34 – 01:11:43:	egalité you should think long and hard and be very careful which side you are going to choose

01:11:43 – 01:11:50:	if you are going to choose the side of violent revolutionaries who quite nearly succeeded in

01:11:50 – 01:11:56:	burning Europe to the ground thankfully this one happened to be stamped out more or less but

01:11:56 – 01:12:03:	they kept trying if you want to join them reject what Galatians 328 tells you

01:12:05 – 01:12:11:	if instead you want to believe what God tells you and stay a Christian and have your children be

01:12:11 – 01:12:18:	Christians and your grandchildren be Christian then believe what God has written here believe the

01:12:18 – 01:12:24:	reality of the categories he has chosen he chose them because they are real things that correspond

01:12:24 – 01:12:32:	to the way he made the world and so the option should be very clear you can choose the spirit of

01:12:32 – 01:12:41:	the age which I just gave you in French and English or you can choose to follow the actual spirit

01:12:41 – 01:12:47:	to follow God to follow Christ and that is the starkness of it that is the reality of the situation

01:12:48 – 01:12:55:	that is the gravity of the choice it's God or Satan those are the two sides and you must

01:12:55 – 01:12:59:	choose wisely I think that there are probably a lot of people who've listened to this and

01:13:00 – 01:13:07:	may still think most so what what's the application well we're going to end with 1 Timothy 5

01:13:07 – 01:13:11:	it's one that we've referred to before and in the interest of not cherry picking since we just

01:13:11 – 01:13:15:	condemned I'm going to read the whole paragraph just to give you the context and then we're going to

01:13:15 – 01:13:23:	focus on the end of it honor widows who are truly widows but if a widow has children or grandchildren

01:13:23 – 01:13:28:	let them first learn to show godliness to their own household and to make some return to their

01:13:28 – 01:13:34:	parents for this pleasing in the sight of God she who is truly a widow left all alone has set her

01:13:34 – 01:13:40:	hope on God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day but she who is self-indulgent

01:13:40 – 01:13:46:	is dead even while she lives command these things as well so that they may be without reproach

01:13:47 – 01:13:53:	but if anyone does not provide for his relatives and especially for the members of his household

01:13:53 – 01:14:00:	he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever those are passages I point to frequently

01:14:00 – 01:14:07:	because it flies so vehemently at odds with the notions that oh well we're all brothers we're all

01:14:07 – 01:14:14:	neighbors we're all just this collapsed humanity and we all have equal rights and obligations to

01:14:14 – 01:14:20:	each other I provided the whole context to show that most of it was referring to widows I didn't

01:14:20 – 01:14:25:	want to make it seem like this was only talking just talking in general I think it's worth noting

01:14:25 – 01:14:30:	that the the second sense there but if a widow has children or grandchildren let them first learn

01:14:30 – 01:14:35:	to show godliness so that again points back to what we are saying about the fourth commandment

01:14:35 – 01:14:40:	honor your father and mother includes your grandmother because of grandchildren have this obligation

01:14:40 – 01:14:45:	it's under the fourth commandment there's no difference it's basically living relatives now in the

01:14:45 – 01:14:52:	case of wood of hood they're specifically focusing on lineal descent in when that is not available

01:14:52 – 01:14:57:	didn't do to death or would other other reason then the members of the church are to care for those

01:14:57 – 01:15:04:	widows but the general application of that last two cents or that last sentence is is universal

01:15:05 – 01:15:11:	if anyone does not provide for his relatives and especially for members of his household he has

01:15:11 – 01:15:18:	denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever now that's what we're talking about frequently

01:15:19 – 01:15:27:	when you do these things the deny gods command you are denying the faith you can't say in response

01:15:27 – 01:15:32:	to Galatians 328 if even if you hear us talking about it neither June or Greek being so

01:15:32 – 01:15:39:	theological if you say I don't care it's all about Jesus you're denying the faith because wait

01:15:39 – 01:15:43:	what are you doing you're denying the rest of that sense you're denying that your relatives exist

01:15:43 – 01:15:48:	you're denying that your relatives are related to you you're saying I'm related to everyone I'm

01:15:48 – 01:15:54:	everyone's brother if you're everyone's brother you're no one's brother that is incoherent

01:15:54 – 01:16:00:	and isn't it often interesting how often we're using that word incoherent the the readings

01:16:00 – 01:16:08:	of these passages as interpreted through the lens of of this age in the service of non-Christian goals

01:16:09 – 01:16:16:	ultimately render the text itself incoherent if God says provide for your relatives and you say

01:16:16 – 01:16:21:	relatives what's that my my brothers are 10,000 miles away my brothers are all over the planet

01:16:21 – 01:16:26:	I don't have relatives they're all my relatives there are people who actually they won't say it

01:16:26 – 01:16:32:	quite in those terms but I saw someone recently used the the text where Jesus said well who are my

01:16:32 – 01:16:37:	brothers and who is my mother and who are my brothers these are who are before you are my mother

01:16:37 – 01:16:44:	and brothers they try to use that as a denial of the flesh they try to set those passages in

01:16:44 – 01:16:49:	opposition to passages like this where God says you're damned if you don't cover if you don't care

01:16:49 – 01:16:55:	for your relatives if you don't care for your flesh in the case that we made in the first episode

01:16:55 – 01:17:02:	in particular of this mini series is that your relatives writ large is your race the further you go

01:17:02 – 01:17:09:	out the more the less immediately related they are but that's just the same as an extended family

01:17:09 – 01:17:15:	you wouldn't go to a family reunion where 150 people show up and say well you know my first

01:17:15 – 01:17:19:	cousins yeah you guys you guys are fine the second cousins those guys I don't even know who they

01:17:19 – 01:17:24:	are they're nothing to me they're more distantly related but the fact that you all showed up in

01:17:24 – 01:17:29:	the same place means that you're all family you have a common lineage you have a common ancestry

01:17:30 – 01:17:35:	you have something in common that God gave you it's not a social structure it's not some

01:17:35 – 01:17:42:	convention the man came up with these are all gods commands and gods orders the genealogies God

01:17:42 – 01:17:49:	cares about those that's not man having a fetish for trying to borrow someone else's story

01:17:49 – 01:17:55:	that's saying yes when God says where you came from matters who your father is matters

01:17:55 – 01:18:00:	I as a Christian must believe that and that continues beyond even the fathers whose names I might

01:18:00 – 01:18:06:	remember when you look at a passage it says if you don't provide for your relatives you're damned

01:18:06 – 01:18:11:	and that's literally what it says he has denied the faith that is apostasy

01:18:12 – 01:18:18:	Cory and I will increasingly are using the word apostasy to describe the denial of these things

01:18:18 – 01:18:23:	particularly in our own church for this very reason we're not name calling we're not throwing

01:18:23 – 01:18:30:	fire bombs we're illustrating what this passage in 1 Timothy 5 makes abundantly clear you say that

01:18:30 – 01:18:35:	you're pointing to Christ and then you have faith and then you let your grandmother go to a home where

01:18:35 – 01:18:42:	she's mistreated you don't have faith you've denied the faith and are worse than an unbeliever

01:18:43 – 01:18:48:	if an unbeliever is going to go to hell what is worse than an unbeliever going to receive

01:18:48 – 01:18:54:	because that's what you're going to receive if you don't care for your relatives and if you despise

01:18:54 – 01:18:59:	those who are related to you even if the distant relation is at the point that we would call it a

01:18:59 – 01:19:05:	race versus a family or an ethnicity or some intermediate step if you think that you have

01:19:05 – 01:19:11:	licensed to despise the manner in which God created you and to despise your extended relatives

01:19:12 – 01:19:17:	do you think that you will be saved on the last day do you think that you have an excuse in the

01:19:17 – 01:19:22:	light of 1 Timothy 5 to say yeah I hate those relatives I'm shame to them they're disgusting

01:19:22 – 01:19:27:	I want nothing to do with them I'm not going to help them yeah they're my neighbor yeah they're

01:19:27 – 01:19:33:	my brother but I despise them I would rather have a brother 10,000 miles away I like him better

01:19:33 – 01:19:38:	than these people what is God going to say to that this passage makes clear what he's going to say

01:19:38 – 01:19:42:	the only question that we as Christians have is are we going to believe it and are we going to obey

01:19:42 – 01:19:48:	God not to save ourselves like that's the problem the Protestants have all the time you say obey

01:19:48 – 01:19:52:	God and I well that's work salvation you're trying to save yourself you think you can do something

01:19:52 – 01:19:58:	to earn your salvation no our salvation was earned by Christ's blood on the cross there's nothing

01:19:58 – 01:20:04:	I can do they could possibly save me in God's eyes there are however things I can do to continue to

01:20:04 – 01:20:10:	nail Christ to the cross every day with new sins that I come up with either through deliberate

01:20:10 – 01:20:15:	malice or through apathy or through ignorance I continue to nail Christ to the cross with the

01:20:15 – 01:20:21:	sins that I commit in my own life and so do you that is not a cause for a despair is a cause to

01:20:21 – 01:20:29:	continue to turn to the cross as a source of our salvation and then when we step back from the

01:20:29 – 01:20:36:	cross and go on with our lives by leaving by keeping the cross in view in our lives it doesn't

01:20:36 – 01:20:43:	mean talking all about Jesus 24 seven it means obeying God 24 seven as we've said before God gives

01:20:43 – 01:20:50:	you 168 hours in the week and he calls you to church once a week he calls you to study faithfully

01:20:50 – 01:20:56:	but not continuously he hasn't say every waking moment and even while you sleep I want you only

01:20:56 – 01:21:01:	ever thinking about me and not doing anything else that is what the aesthetics and the monks do

01:21:01 – 01:21:07:	and it's a despising of what God desires God desires that are good works and are care for our

01:21:07 – 01:21:12:	neighbor and for our brother especially those are the categories that are most important to God

01:21:12 – 01:21:19:	your brother first and then your neighbor and then everyone else that is the three part hierarchy

01:21:19 – 01:21:25:	in which God has divided humanity and your brother includes those who are distantly related to you

01:21:25 – 01:21:30:	Corey is my brother because we come from the same extended family he's not my neighbor because we

01:21:30 – 01:21:38:	don't live in the same place but my obligations are to him not only as a brother in Christ but as a

01:21:38 – 01:21:44:	brother according to the flesh it is a less immediate concern than I have or obligation than I have

01:21:44 – 01:21:51:	for my own immediate family and that is fine there is triage that God has baked into the system

01:21:51 – 01:21:57:	when you obey him but to say nope yeah those those people in Ohio that are you know they're

01:21:57 – 01:22:02:	living in a hazmat you know super fun site now they don't have any clean water yeah

01:22:04 – 01:22:08:	you know I'd rather worry about what's going on in Turkey I'd rather pray for the Turks

01:22:08 – 01:22:14:	than I would pray for the people in Ohio I would rather send my money overseas to people who

01:22:14 – 01:22:20:	do not worship the same God because that sounds that's more worldly that's a better way for me to

01:22:20 – 01:22:25:	be a Christian to to love my brother and my neighbor according to the flesh and according to

01:22:25 – 01:22:30:	proximity who's right next door if someone next door is suffering or if your brother who is more

01:22:30 – 01:22:37:	distant as suffering he is your first duty according to God and some of that is racial because

01:22:37 – 01:22:43:	that's how God made you that's not an evil thing it's a good thing to deny it is when the evil

01:22:43 – 01:22:49:	enters the picture I not before and so we're speaking of good works it's a useful comment

01:22:50 – 01:22:59:	from Luther God does not need my good works but my neighbor does and that's really the heart

01:23:01 – 01:23:06:	of the matter when it comes to good works and so the monks and others who hide themselves away

01:23:07 – 01:23:12:	and believe that they are worshiping God that they are doing God's will they simply aren't

01:23:13 – 01:23:20:	because God does not need your good works your neighbor does so you serve God by serving your neighbor

01:23:20 – 01:23:27:	and yes that includes your neighbor in Ohio who now needs clean water and many other things

01:23:27 – 01:23:36:	and your neighbor elsewhere in your own nation you are not serving God when you are virtue signaling

01:23:36 – 01:23:44:	by sending your money and your goods overseas to people you don't even know to people with whom

01:23:44 – 01:23:50:	you have no connection and that is especially true when you are doing it to the neglect and harm

01:23:50 – 01:23:58:	of your actual neighbors and that's the point of the good Samaritan who is my neighbor your neighbor

01:23:58 – 01:24:04:	is the person God has put next to you your neighbor is that person whose house you can see from where

01:24:04 – 01:24:10:	you're sitting if you happen to be near a window because neighbor literally means the person near

01:24:10 – 01:24:15:	actually means the farmer nearby but it means the person nearby that is your neighbor

01:24:17 – 01:24:25:	and to rely not just on Luther will give you from Mark 7 you leave the commandment of God and hold

01:24:25 – 01:24:31:	to the tradition of men and he said to them you have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God

01:24:31 – 01:24:37:	in order to establish your tradition for Moses said honor your father and your mother

01:24:37 – 01:24:44:	and whoever reviles father or mother must surely die but you say if a man tells his father or his

01:24:44 – 01:24:49:	mother whatever you would have gained from me is Corban that is given to God then you no longer

01:24:49 – 01:24:55:	permit him to do anything for his father or mother thus making void the word of God by your

01:24:55 – 01:25:03:	tradition that you have handed down and many such things you do and so if you believe that you

01:25:03 – 01:25:10:	are serving God by virtue signaling by withdrawing from the world by doing these things for which the

01:25:10 – 01:25:17:	world will praise you and not in fact serving your neighbor not in fact serving your relatives not

01:25:17 – 01:25:22:	in fact serving your family those whom God has put into your life by proximity and blood

01:25:23 – 01:25:30:	then you are not in fact serving God you are violating these words of Christ from Mark 7

01:25:31 – 01:25:37:	and that is the state in which we currently find much of the world people think that they are

01:25:37 – 01:25:44:	doing something good because they sent some hundreds of numbers of cases of water to Africa

01:25:44 – 01:25:49:	because of course your dollar goes your dollar goes further if you're dealing with Africa or

01:25:49 – 01:25:56:	somewhere that is poor particularly somewhere that is very poor but you aren't you aren't serving

01:25:56 – 01:26:02:	God you're signaling to the world look at me aren't I a good person because it would actually be

01:26:02 – 01:26:08:	hard work if you had to go and help your neighbor next door and you don't want to do that much easier

01:26:08 – 01:26:13:	to do something for which the world will praise you and scripture is very clear about that as well

01:26:13 – 01:26:19:	is it really charity if you're on the street corner shouting your prayer to God shouting how good

01:26:19 – 01:26:27:	you are it isn't scripture is very clear and so if you want to do good works and you should

01:26:27 – 01:26:35:	because good works follow naturally from true faith from living faith then you do those by serving

01:26:35 – 01:26:41:	those whom God has given to you by serving your actual neighbors by serving your family by serving

01:26:41 – 01:26:47:	the members of your own household that is what scripture says that is what Christians must do

01:26:48 – 01:26:55:	so I'd like to leave everyone today with a renewed request for you to evaluate your own morality

01:26:56 – 01:27:03:	in terms of scripture you don't have to listen to what we say just look to scripture for where you get

01:27:03 – 01:27:10:	your moral virtues if as you're going through your daily life if as you're deciding where to

01:27:10 – 01:27:16:	spend your charitable dollars or your energy or your time protesting we're talking or whatever you do

01:27:18 – 01:27:25:	if in those moments the things that you're doing are in the adulation of the world rather than its

01:27:25 – 01:27:34:	condemnation in these dark days any honest Christian has to be asking himself if the world isn't

01:27:34 – 01:27:39:	hating me for what I'm saying and doing right in this minute am I actually serving God

01:27:39 – 01:27:46:	because many of these questions are portrayed by the world as moral craft questions the BLM

01:27:46 – 01:27:53:	in version of Galatians 328 is portrayed as a moral question the same was true in the French

01:27:53 – 01:27:58:	revolution they were casting down Mararchy and replacing it with something better they were

01:27:58 – 01:28:07:	pursuing a moral good in their religion if your religion is informed with a morality that comes

01:28:08 – 01:28:14:	from a source that is consistent with this world if you can do things where the girl world is

01:28:14 – 01:28:20:	going to say that's beautiful I love that you're one of us does that fill you with pride to know

01:28:20 – 01:28:26:	that you're welcomed arm and arm even with those who hate Christ or does it fill you with dread

01:28:26 – 01:28:31:	that you have a morality that has somehow emerged in the hearts of those who are damned how did

01:28:31 – 01:28:39:	they get on the same page as you morally and when Cory and I talk about these things we face

01:28:39 – 01:28:45:	grace personal consequences for saying these things and if you say these things in public you will

01:28:45 – 01:28:52:	too if we're lying then maybe that's what God wants maybe he wants to destroy those who would

01:28:52 – 01:28:58:	say things that our contrary to his word that is the case God was does want to see those men

01:28:58 – 01:29:04:	destroyed and on the last day they will all be cast into fire if we're making an argument from

01:29:04 – 01:29:11:	scripture and the world hates us what do you do with that do you side with the world reflexively

01:29:11 – 01:29:17:	because they said the right mean words to us or do you take another look at the arguments that are

01:29:18 – 01:29:24:	and you look at scripture and say well I believe this with a clean heart I believe the racism

01:29:24 – 01:29:29:	was a sin that there was one race the human race after this was explained to me I'm not sure what

01:29:29 – 01:29:37:	to do we'll say again look to your left and look to your right who are your allies morally who are

01:29:37 – 01:29:45:	those who hold the same morality as you because on one side are the Satanists the Jews the atheists

01:29:45 – 01:29:51:	the abortionists they're all together in lockstep on all of these questions they know what they

01:29:51 – 01:29:57:	think about Galatians 328 and they all believe exactly the same thing if you believe the same thing

01:29:57 – 01:30:03:	as those groups or really that single group because they're speaking with a unified voice if you

01:30:03 – 01:30:12:	speak with the same voices them do you worship the one true God you need to think long and hard

01:30:12 – 01:30:17:	about that how did your morality come to be in accord with the world I want to leave you with a

01:30:17 – 01:30:25:	passage from John 16 that came up recently that's from one of the many places where Jesus prophesies

01:30:25 – 01:30:30:	about the end of the world he talks about the last days and what's going to come to his church

01:30:31 – 01:30:36:	it's worth spending time thinking about those things for the very reason that he's getting

01:30:36 – 01:30:40:	given this passage and I'll just after I've read it we'll I think we'll just end the episode on

01:30:40 – 01:30:48:	Jesus words think long and hard about what he says you know dwell on our arguments for a little while

01:30:48 – 01:30:53:	dwell in scripture daily and forever the if our arguments are sound because they're from scripture

01:30:54 – 01:31:00:	do something with them it isn't going to destroy your life make scripture the anchor in everything

01:31:00 – 01:31:06:	that you do because what we're saying is that the world is trying to destroy scripture and it's

01:31:06 – 01:31:13:	destroying a verse by verse without addressing it directly and so Christians have been disarmed and

01:31:13 – 01:31:17:	so when these arguments are made that there's neither June or Greek we think hey hey that's good

01:31:17 – 01:31:21:	that's there's no race that Darwin invented that that's that's postmodern that's Marxism you know

01:31:21 – 01:31:27:	whatever whatever label you want to stick on it when you've allied yourself with people who are

01:31:27 – 01:31:33:	universally damned where is your salvation then have you turned your back on the true faith if

01:31:33 – 01:31:40:	you're doing things that belong to a morality that didn't come from God so leave you with John 16

01:31:41 – 01:31:46:	I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away they will put you out of the

01:31:46 – 01:31:52:	synagogues and indeed the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to

01:31:52 – 01:31:58:	God and they will do these things because they have not known the father nor me but I have said

01:31:58 – 01:32:03:	these things to you that when their hour comes you may remember that I told them to you

01:32:06 – 01:32:14:	Amen

01:32:28 – 01:32:30:	you